Too many Smart people here

by Kom
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I have been following this forum.

I apologize in advance, to you that really has helped others.

in my opinion, now mostly SPAM, I think it very missed all of the forums purpose.

you agree or disagree.

Please comment here

Thank
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    • Profile picture of the author Kom
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Agree not so kind the post I canno understand
      Usually a forum to discuss a problem.

      Help each other to resolve the problem. share knowledge on a nice fellow. but the reality is very different here,


      What ever you opinion is your opinion feel free to say
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      Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

      I think what he means is:

      Everyone here starts threads for the sole purpose of sig spam? da.

      OP - even you did it, i like your sig and what you're selling - thank.

      EDIT: wow your sig is ALL over the place.. I get free advertising, you do the rest, and I keep the interest ! haha i love itz.

      I am not selling anything here I Try to help you to sale yours to people

      That is help , I think so..
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Kom,
      Usually a forum to discuss a problem.

      Help each other to resolve the problem. share knowledge on a nice fellow. but the reality is very different here
      For some people, yes. But for many others, the reality is just what you described... People helping each other out with problems.

      You might not get the help you need, but I suspect it's more because your posts are hard for many of us to understand. I'm sure your English is better than my command of whatever your first language is, but it's still very difficult to make sense of at times.

      There are times when, no matter how hard I try, I can't figure out what you're trying to say. That makes it difficult to give you a useful answer.


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      Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

      I think what he means is:

      Everyone here starts threads for the sole purpose of sig spam? da.

      OP - even you did it, i like your sig and what you're selling - thank.

      EDIT: wow your sig is ALL over the place.. I get free advertising, you do the rest, and I keep the interest ! haha i love itz. ahhhhh i better go..
      ROFL that's probably what you thought I was doing on my other thread. I wasn't. i was honestly shocked and it may not have been interesting to you but it was fascinating to me ;P and answering here is not that either.. wish i could turn off a sig file post by post lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Will,
      I like to help people and do so many people on this forum also. There is lot a good information on this forum. If you ask question right get you right answer. This what I think anyhow.
      Not nice, Will. Kom isn't stupid, and he's not being a jerk. As I understand it, his reading and speaking skills in English are pretty good, but he's not as fluent with the written form of the language.

      I can write fluently in exactly one language. How about you?


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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Will,Not nice, Will. Kom isn't stupid, and he's not being a jerk. As I understand it, his reading and speaking skills in English are pretty good, but he's not as fluent with the written form of the language.

        I can write fluently in exactly one language. How about you?


        Paul
        If that be the case, then disregard my ill sense of humor as well.

        Honestly, I didn't know what to make of it?, I changed my initial response 3x not knowing if he was spamming? or being serious?

        Makes a bit more sense now, Thanks Paul!

        For the record, I have never started a thread for the sole purpose of a sig link, but I have seen a ton of trolls who do.

        On that note, I believe there's still a ton of value here, and people have helped me out both directly and indirectly.

        So overall, I Disagree.
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          Originally Posted by art72 View Post

          If that be the case, then disregard my ill sense of humor as well.

          Honestly, I didn't know what to make of it?, I changed my initial response 3x not knowing if he was spamming? or being serious?

          Makes a bit more sense now, Thanks Paul!
          I was the same. I thought this was just some silly spam. I removed my original comment and apologies to the OP. Must admit I didn't pick up on the post count... until now of course.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Will,
            I thought this was just some silly spam.
            With the number of drive-by "SEO" rent-a-spammers we get who don't even make the effort, that's understandable.

            Probably another reason Kom doesn't get as much help as he might. People probably make the same assumption fairly often, and thus don't make the effort to understand what he's asking.


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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Will,Not nice, Will. Kom isn't stupid, and he's not being a jerk. As I understand it, his reading and speaking skills in English are pretty good, but he's not as fluent with the written form of the language.

        I can write fluently in exactly one language. How about you?


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        My big respect to you.

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    I posted a day or so ago for advice on my squeeze page. I recieved a lot of quality and generous feedback from quite a few warriors here.
    That sort of help is what costs money. All given by good folks who wanted to help.
    Having thanked everyone individually I must say that this forum is such a 'find'.

    My 2c worth

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    Art,

    I have no reason to think he's anything but what he appears to be: A serious person, making a serious effort, which is hampered to some degree by his inability to communicate effectively in a second language.

    I could be wrong, but he'd have to have put in a lot of effort over a span of nearly 300 posts to keep up the impression. That's rather... unlikely.


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    Originally Posted by Kom View Post

    I have been following this forum.

    I apologize in advance, to you that really has helped others.

    in my opinion, now mostly SPAM, I think it very missed all of the forums purpose.

    you agree or disagree.

    Please comment here

    Thank
    I beg to differ when you say "now mostly spam." There are spam messages but not mostly in my own opinion. I have been reading the threads here in WF almost everyday and I have learned so many things.

    I have joined the other forums out there too but so far, WF is the best. I am not trying to be bias, this is exactly how I see it.
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    Although I never knew you all.

    Big repect to you all

    I apologize if any of my words.
    Make you disappointed at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Kom,

    You have done nothing to apologize for.

    That said, you are going to have to improve your writing skills in English if you want more native English-speaking people to understand you.

    One way to get a start on that is to read fiction that includes a lot of conversation. Another thing you can do that will help a lot is to take a basic course in English grammar. Sometimes the problem seems to be more how your sentences are arranged (the syntax) than the words you choose.

    Those two steps, which are pretty easy, could make a big difference for you in dealing with us one-language types.


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    I have been diseppear for a while, to improve my write by watching video and alot of reading , but sound I still the same sport,and more confiuse now.

    but Thank you for your suport.

    I will, I will

    Thanks again Mr.Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Kom,

    Video can help with spoken English. There's a reason I suggested reading, instead of watching videos. Seeing the way the sentences are built is more helpful in learning to write than any amount of listening will be.


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    • Profile picture of the author Kom
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Kom,

      Video can help with spoken English. There's a reason I suggested reading, instead of watching videos. Seeing the way the sentences are built is more helpful in learning to write than any amount of listening will be.


      Paul
      I click your signature link and read all to the end and sign in, you are geniuse writing, I dont know if I can write like that, maybe ?

      you get my PM
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  • Profile picture of the author serena85
    Usually people here know how to do a great commercial advertising for their business but unfortunately even people with experience can not answer theme becasue they are taking that thread to the extreme of explanation.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Kom View Post

    I have been following this forum.

    I apologize in advance, to you that really has helped others.

    in my opinion, now mostly SPAM, I think it very missed all of the forums purpose.

    Thank
    Yeah, it's all spam. Nothing to see here. Look elsewhere and to hell with all the people who actually do help people on a daily basis.

    Seriously. These threads are worthless.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    For folks who don't quite get why some people have trouble making themselves understood in a second language, here's a simple example. I believe I have this set in proper German sentence structure:

    "Ich habe es drei jahre studiert."

    Translated word for word, in the same order, that becomes, in English:

    "I have it 3 years studied."

    Not a properly structured English sentence.

    The syntax is the problem that makes so many people sound like they're speaking "broken" whatever-the-second-language-is. Switching the order of referents and modifiers and so on can create a lot of confusion. And that ignores the conceptual differences underlying the cultures that use various languages.

    Don't even get me started on various forms of slang. "Dude is sick! That's some bad copy!"

    Good? Or bad? Depends on the tone of voice and the intended audience. The exact same words can be high praise or a hard slam.

    Written English is no picnic, even for people who are raised speaking it.


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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I speak to Kom on Skype and have been helping him out ocassionally for a while now.

      He's probably one of the most honest respectful people I've met here. Granted I do see how native English speakers may find it hard to grasp or think he's saying the wrong thing but I can assure you he means only well.

      I also know from speaking with Kom that the Indonesian language has a limited sense of grammer, like capital letters and other things we take for granted. This makes writing English even harder as this concept is very different to them, just as it would be if any English speaker tried to learn Indonesian. I mean look at it, it's like trying to learn Russian or Chinese, extremely hard. It would take me forever to do that so I respect Kom for even making an effort and coming here. (I have also spoken to Kom and he can speak very good English, it's the writing that is hard for him)

      Incidentally I spoke French for 5 years at school and passed my exams on it and all I can do in French is count to ten and say P*** off... And ask for a beer.
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    Paul,

    I really admire your ability and effort to distinguish between fakers and for real people who are not fluent in English. Makes me feel ashamed because I was getting ready to write Kom off as a really good robot or a very bad human spammer.

    Kom, following Paul's lead I'll respond to your OP (first post in this thread) the same way I'd respond to someone who was using perfect English. (of course perfect English is not my strong point, however, I don't hold it against someone if they do use perfect English.)

    If your opinion is that this forum is "mostly spam" I have to respectfully disagree with you. Try harder to find the good here and you will be amazed at the members helping members that actually goes on.

    In reading your OP several times my impression is you are frustrated because you asked for something and didn't get a satisfactory answer or maybe your post was even ignored.

    To save me and others from looking for what may have frustrated you would you please mention it here.

    If I'm wrong about that, sorry.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      George,
      I really admire your ability and effort to distinguish between fakers and for real people who are not fluent in English.
      I'd love to take credit for it, but it's not me that tells the difference. It's the writer. Someone like Kom is present in their posts. You can sense pain or joy or frustration or curiosity behind the words. They want to engage.

      The bots, human or otherwise, don't show that. It's a clearly mechanical process for them, and that's apparent.

      Look at posts from that perspective, and you'll get it right at least as often as I do. Probably more, since you're not jaded from dealing with "Five dollah, Joe. We post you long time."


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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Paul,

      I really admire your ability and effort to distinguish between fakers and for real people who are not fluent in English. Makes me feel ashamed because I was getting ready to write Kom off as a really good robot or a very bad human spammer.

      George Wright
      That's the thing that baffled me. I've seen people go out of their way to attempt to understand and help Kom in numerous other threads, so I was amazed he felt that way after people being so warm to him.
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    This forum was a good place in the past but now it has become an advertizing forum where people are selling stuff they don't even know about. Everywhere I see spam spam spam and spam
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by simonbuzz View Post

      This forum was a good place in the past but now it has become an advertizing forum where people are selling stuff they don't even know about. Everywhere I see spam spam spam and spam
      Then leave. We do not force you to log in here, and we're not keeping you from logging out.

      Buh-bye. Hope you enjoyed your flight.


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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
        Originally Posted by simonbuzz

        This forum was a good place in the past but now it has become an advertizing forum where people are selling stuff they don't even know about. Everywhere I see spam spam spam and spam
        But wasn't there always a ton of stuff for sale here? I take it as a given that I'll have people marketing to me when I visit the forum, but that doesn't diminish the usefulness of all the solid information and helpful people that can be found here.

        Just my two cents, of course.

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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Then leave. We do not force you to log in here, and we're not keeping you from logging out.

        Buh-bye. Hope you enjoyed your flight.


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        I kinda like your solution .. Well, everyone has their own purpose. We cannot deny that, all you have to do is, stay if you enjoy and leave if you don't
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Originally Posted by Kom View Post

    I have been following this forum.

    I apologize in advance, to you that really has helped others.

    in my opinion, now mostly SPAM, I think it very missed all of the forums purpose.

    you agree or disagree.

    Please comment here

    Thank

    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    Yeah, it's all spam. Nothing to see here. Look elsewhere and to hell with all the people who actually do help people on a daily basis.

    Seriously. These threads are worthless.
    Suzanne,

    Seriously, that's your contribution to this thread?

    I think you need to re-read the op, especially the parts I've put in bold for your convenience. Kom has apologised in advanced to anyone who helps around here, so your comment " hell with all the people who actually do help people on a daily basis" is actually out of order. Don't take it so personally.

    I'm sure many members can relate to the feelings of the OP and the language barrier as Paul mentioned. So in fact this thread is actually quite useful.

    In short, the thread isn't worthless, but your post definitely is. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, then don't post at all. It only make you look like your trying to get your sig some more exposure. (Although I'm sure that's not the case).
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by G Singh View Post

      Suzanne,

      Seriously, that's your contribution to this thread?

      I think you need to re-read the op, especially the parts I've put in bold for your convenience. Kom has apologised in advanced to anyone who helps around here, so your comment " hell with all the people who actually do help people on a daily basis" is actually out of order. Don't take it so personally.

      I'm sure many members can relate to the feelings of the OP and the language barrier as Paul mentioned. So in fact this thread is actually quite useful.

      In short, the thread isn't worthless, but your post definitely is. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, then don't post at all. It only make you look like your trying to get your sig some more exposure. (Although I'm sure that's not the case).
      Well, actually not. I do more research and posting and get to know people here fairly well.

      Take for example this thread that Kom started:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...creet-add.html

      After coming up with this post in very good English, he ends it with

      For more check my signature

      Clearly as post that is spam and for no other reason than to get his sig seen.


      In this post,
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4199772

      He thinks we're all awesome.

      If you check out the threads that Kom has started, and there are probably more of them than I have started, you will see him getting a lot of support and thanking people for all the support he gets.

      People here have gone out of their way to attempt to understand and help him.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Well, actually not. I do more research and posting and get to know people here fairly well.

        Take for example this thread that Kom started:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...creet-add.html

        After coming up with this post in very good English, he ends it with

        For more check my signature

        Clearly as post that is spam and for no other reason than to get his sig seen.


        In this post,
        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4199772

        He thinks we're all awesome.

        If you check out the threads that Kom has started, and there are probably more of them than I have started, you will see him getting a lot of support and thanking people for all the support he gets.

        People here have gone out of their way to attempt to understand and help him.
        I don't really see his OP as any different than a lot of threads that the OP is noticing the influx of spammers. Not just people who might point out their sig file in a post somewhere at sometime (which many of us have done at one time or another when relevant to do so), but people who only post if it can promote the sig file. So I don't see any controversy here other than he wasn't able to state the intention of his post as clearly as most in here. I'm wondering now if he wasn't one of the posters in the OT that I saw getting spam reaction but there was something that didn't look bot-like nor as irrelevant as most spam even though the grammar was faulty. Might have been someone else, but the point is that we need to look for relevance in posts before we flame because there are a lot of people coming in from all over the world and the welcome they can receive when posting their first couple of posts in broken English has got to be absolutely daunting.
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    Totally agreed ! Warriorforum family is getting bigger and smarter. We help each and other !
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by ocean80 View Post

      Totally agreed ! Warriorforum family is getting bigger and smarter. We help each and other !
      Well that's what I call someone that "reads thread titles and nothing else" before they comment.
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    Where's Kom from?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Kenneth,
      Where's Kom from?
      Originally, Bali. Currently, Florida.


      Paul

      PS: Watch it, folks. Our own resident "Ancient Chinese Secret" has just entered the room.
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    I totaly agree with you!!

    Everybody knows everything ... but you know that the real knowledge begin when you are covinced that : 'You do not know anything ' .

    This is the first rule for kwnoledge !!
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

      I totaly agree with you!!

      Everybody knows everything ... but you know that the real knowledge begin when you are covinced that : 'You do not know anything ' .

      This is the first rule for kwnoledge !!
      ...And another one who just reads thread titles.

      Paul, what's the ancient Chinese secret or am I having a blonde moment?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Richard,
        Paul, what's the ancient Chinese secret or am I having a blonde moment?
        That would be Kenneth.


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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Richard,That would be Kenneth.


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          Oh I see. Sorry Kenneth.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Richard,
            Sorry Kenneth.
            I wouldn't say he was sorry. Just ancient.

            And very wise. And even more dangerous than me with chopsticks, but that's a whole other story....


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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Richard,I wouldn't say he was sorry. Just ancient.

              And very wise. And even more dangerous than me with chopsticks, but that's a whole other story....


              Paul
              He looks very innocent in that pencil drawn avatar but I've witnessed a Chinese chap with chop sticks in a film.

              I once saw him catch a house fly with them.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Richard,
                I once saw him catch a house fly with them.
                Sure. But can he eat a jelly donut with them and leave no mess behind?

                I'd love to see the damage Kenneth and I could do to a Szechuan buffet.


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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  Richard,Sure. But can he eat a jelly donut with them and leave no mess behind?

                  I'd love to see the damage Kenneth and I could do to a Szechuan buffet.


                  Paul
                  Due to my limited use of chop sticks my place at the said buffet would probably look like this...



                  Then again you should see the damage I can do with a knife and fork in any environment.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    Due to my limited use of chop sticks my place at the said buffet would probably look like this...


                    s/sugar packet/jade turtle/
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick the Genius
    I don't think he's complaining about how he's not understood. I think he's pissed with all the people with crappy English spamming their signatures and trying to make a name for themselves through quantity, and not actually quality.

    I don't really post much as you can see, but even I can tell how the forum's been "behaving" lately.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Paul,

      "Ich habe es drei jahre studiert."
      ExRat's German wombat girlfriend says that nouns should start with a capital letter -

      'Jahre'

      ExRat the wombat says to Richard Van -

      I also know from speaking with Kom that the Indonesian language has a limited sense of grammer, like capital letters and other things we take for granted.
      Never take your grandma for granted...

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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


        ExRat the wombat says to Richard Van -

        Never take your grandma for granted...

        Or let her know you think she has limited sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Roger,
        ExRat's German wombat girlfriend says that nouns should start with a capital letter -

        'Jahre'
        Ich habe vergessen.

        Dratphooie. I knew I was screwing something up there...


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          Hi Paul,

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Roger,Ich habe vergessen.

          Dratphooie. I knew I was screwing something up there...


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          Das habe ich vergessen - apparently. Thus emphasising your original point.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Kom - this is my first introduction to you. While it was nice for you to apologize, don't. Never apologize for who you are.

    English has to be rough for you to learn to write. Just learning another alphabet is torture. Having to use it is a whole trip into cryptology. You have a ways to go, but from as far as you've gotten, I think you'll get it.

    I'm not familiar with your native alphabet or spoken language, but I did teach English as a second language to many who were at a 3rd grade and higher level of English. From what I have seen in this thread, your spoken English is that solid already. If you need help understanding how to write something and why - you feel free to pm to me. Once people in here realize you are trying to better your English, you will find many more willing to help than you suspected.

    And as far as your OP -- there are a lot of people who try to use this forum solely for their own purposes, but if you stay long enough you will see that those people don't stay too long. Most of the people who find the WF and stay are good people who enjoy the community as well as the business benefits.

    Nice to meet you.
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  • Profile picture of the author apolwar
    Originally Posted by Kom View Post

    I have been following this forum.

    I apologize in advance, to you that really has helped others.

    in my opinion, now mostly SPAM, I think it very missed all of the forums purpose.

    you agree or disagree.

    Please comment here

    Thank
    As a newbie, I can say I have been exposed to many resources here in warriorforums that could help me in my ventures.

    If they are what you say as spam, then warrior people, carry on with the spamming. Because I'm learning lots of insights and information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Wow. This is pretty insulting coming from Kom. Over the past 6 months alone I have personally witnessed Kom receive all kinds of amazing help, guidance, and insight from respected, valuable, and knowledgeable members on this forum.

    Kom, you have posted all kinds of threads and questions and received absolutely wonderful help from a lot of people here for a very long time now.

    Show some gratitude, man.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      Wow. This is pretty insulting coming from Kom. Over the past 6 months alone I have personally witnessed Kom receive all kinds of amazing help, guidance, and insight from respected, valuable, and knowledgeable members on this forum.

      Kom, you have posted all kinds of threads and questions and received absolutely wonderful help from a lot of people here for a very long time now.

      Show some gratitude, man.
      I think what he's saying is, he's had a lot of help and he doesn't want to offend people that give that help BUT there seems to be a lot of spamming going on in the forum lately.

      I think he has a point there too but there are also some very friendly helpful people and an awful lot to learn if you decide too.

      Looking at the responses in this thread goes to show lots of people have a different interpretation of what he's saying and as someone that knows Kom and speaks fairly often to him, I wouldn't think for one minute he's not grateful for any help he's received.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Looking at the responses in this thread goes to show lots of people have a different interpretation of what he's saying and as someone that knows Kom and speaks fairly often to him, I wouldn't think for one minute he's not grateful for any help he's received.
        That's good to know as I have seen him getting a lot of help.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          ...And Suzanne, nothing I've said here was directed at you, I was just sticking up for Kom because he is a nice chap and I can see how people can misinterpret what he's saying.

          I think, like I said above, he just mean't there are a lot of spammers at the moment.

          I wouldn't mess about with you Suzanne, not when you have a lit cigar that size.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            ...And Suzanne, nothing I've said here was directed at you, I was just sticking up for Kom because he is a nice chap and I can see how people can misinterpret what he's saying.

            I think, like I said above, he just mean't there are a lot of spammers at the moment.

            I wouldn't mess about with you Suzanne, not when you have a lit cigar that size.
            No offense taken Richard. I was just surprised to read that from someone who has gotten so much help. Just a communication failure, I'm sure.
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