Is RAP worth $177?

by Brad Spencer 33 replies
I'm curious about whether people are using this script...

It seems awesome and the sales page rocks (lots of benefits and features to help me out)

I'm curious about installation and troubleshooting though...

Anyone care to share their experiences with RAP?

Thanks,

Brad Spencer
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  • Profile picture of the author Jassim
    Could you explain it little bit more?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
      RAP is the Rapid Action Profits script.

      Basically you can sell a product for 100% commission to have a viral list going.

      Visit their site if you want to know more.

      Rapid Action Profits


      I'm curious about the technical information (how to install, maintain, extra stuff like that...as I'm pretty tech illiterate...basically I FTP pages up to the net and thats about it)

      Cheers,

      Brad Spencer
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
        Originally Posted by Brad Spencer View Post

        Basically you can sell a product for 100% commission to have a viral list going.
        That's just one of the multiple possibilities you can use RAP for and you can set commissions to whatever you like...you can also use it for list giveaways, selling OTO products, setting 2nd tier affiliate commissions for JV brokers, auto-capture customer emails, create sales pages and a sales process with ease, segregate JV and resellers, collect emails of JVs and resellers and put them on different lists, email customers who only bought the front end product, email customers who bought the OTO only, split test sales pages...the list goes on and on...there are also tons of add-ons you can get depending on your needs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      I've had a hard time with it. I ended up hiring someone else to install it for me. I was able to get it when Allen Says had a discount for warriors a few months ago for $97. It has a really good manual but there is a lot to learn from it. Leave some time to just sit down and figure it out. I kept putting it in the back burner because I didn't want to deal with the learning curve.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        I've had a hard time with it. I ended up hiring someone else to install it for me. I was able to get it when Allen Says had a discount for warriors a few months ago for $97. It has a really good manual but there is a lot to learn from it. Leave some time to just sit down and figure it out. I kept putting it in the back burner because I didn't want to deal with the learning curve.
        The user guide is long and was intimidating the first time I used it. But after you run through it once or twice setting it up takes less than an hour. It takes about 10-20 minutes to install and configure for a product now, but the testing takes the longest for me

        Of course, you can have all your products sold through one RAP database and only set it up once, or you can install it on multiple servers. Depends on your needs and marketing plan-of-action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    It's worth every penny. I use it for EVERYTHING

    Originally Posted by Brad Spencer View Post

    I'm curious about whether people are using this script...

    It seems awesome and the sales page rocks (lots of benefits and features to help me out)

    I'm curious about installation and troubleshooting though...

    Anyone care to share their experiences with RAP?

    Thanks,

    Brad Spencer
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        • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
          Originally Posted by TheToolWiz View Post

          This is an "Internet Marketing Forum" -- it says so right in the header. I'm not advocating wholesale publication of affiliate links all over the place, and that's not what I'm doing. But why people actively avoid it just baffles me.
          The issue is... where do you draw the line between offering a recommendation and pimping a product just to make a buck?

          There are plenty of people on here who would take a thumbs-up to affiliate links in "recommendations" as a green light to post their link every time a product is mentioned.

          As for RAP, yeah it's awesome.

          I found it easy to install, but if you don't then you can get someone to do it for you for about $50. The support forum is always helpful and the few times I've ever had an issue I've gotten immediate help and been sorted out within hours.

          Two thumbs up even without my affiliate link
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          • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
            Originally Posted by Kyle Tully View Post

            The issue is... where do you draw the line between offering a recommendation and pimping a product just to make a buck?
            Bingo - when I was a newbie Warrior it would have been very hard to tell the difference.

            There's the "other side of the argument" I was talking about, Wiz . I'm still not for or against it, but I bet you anything this site would fill with affiliate link spam if Allen were to publically announce that it was okay to post affiliate links on threads...even if the affiliate had to offer value before placing a link.

            Anyway, looks like some people grabbed RAP here. Good for you, you won't regret it. Just make sure to do some research on how you can really use RAP to the fullest.

            I'll never offer a product without an OTO...not after seeing the results in my PayPal account. There's a lot of Warriors that could double their income if they just thought their sales funnel through and didn't limit themselves to one-time front end offers...RAP puts you in the hot seat to start thinking about and implementing backends and forces you to think link a marketer...$177? Try priceless...

            "RAP pays for itself" is an understatement. If you don't have it get it.

            Cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
          Originally Posted by TheToolWiz View Post

          Fundamentally, this scenario is no different than asking for a referral. "Hey, do you know of any good dentists?"

          Only dentists don't usually have affiliate programs.

          Affiliate software DOES. So why not take advantage of it? I'm sure Sid, the owner, doesn't give a rip if he makes sales that come through links with no affiliate ID associated with them. The price is the same either way.

          If somebody gives you the info that helps you decide to make a purchase, that person should be compensated. That's the whole idea.

          Or is it more like, the 400 people who bombard your inbox with the same email promoting the latest greatest "must have" info product, who don't add a word of their own, who haven't even seen the product and can't even tell you what's in it -- then THEY deserve an affiliate commission more than the experts who help you make an informed decision?

          This is an "Internet Marketing Forum" -- it says so right in the header. I'm not advocating wholesale publication of affiliate links all over the place, and that's not what I'm doing. But why people actively avoid it just baffles me.
          The OP is asking about RAP he already know about it. It's not like you're referring him to RAP. He knows all about it. I think it's cheesy. If he asked about a software that can do this and that...and you refer him to RAP then I guess you would be more deserving of a commission than the others warriors who are trying to help out without trying to make a buck. We have sigs for that.

          The WF rules don't allow affiliate links in our sigs I doubt they want them in our posts--that's just my guess though so check with the admin.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Brad,

    Dollar for Dollar, it's the best thing going. It will do everything the sales page says and then some. Yes, it can be a bit intimidating to get started, like Alan said, but once you get a feel for it, it's easy as pie.

    Has great support from Sid and wonderful forum for help.

    If you have specific questions, feel free to PM me or contact me from my site in the sig.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
    Heya David

    As you know, I'm one of the people who has (publically) "dinged" you for continually posting your affiliate link to RAP. I have to wonder sometimes whether you have a GoogleAlert set up for every time RAP is mentioned on the WF because if ever there's something posted about it, I can be sure that you and your affiliate link are there (or will be stat).

    Now, you reckon the product rocks. I know that. I know you're not just slapping your affiliate link in there willy-nilly; that you really believe it's the best thing since sliced bread.

    You usually answer posts with useful information about the script and tell people how much you love it.

    I also happen to know that you're an active user of the script.

    So I KNOW that YOUR recommendation for RAP is legit. I know that.

    But what annoys me about people posting their affiliate link in posts is that it dilutes the information that I (and everyone, actually) can put stock in.

    This is not the first (nor, I'm sure, will it be the last) sales and marketing oriented forum at which I've put forward this self-same view.

    What I'm arguing, essentially, is that if every man and his dog are posting their affiliate links to this, that, and the other... how am I to know whether the "review" or info offered up is legit or just for the commish?

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    In the unlikely event that you have the time and the inclication, feel free to go back through all my posts on the WF. I vaguely recall posting my affiliate link ONCE, with a sign or a note in parentheses saying "Affiliate Link" or something similar. Maybe someone will prove me a liar on that.
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    Look, I run a tiny-weeny list in this IM niche. Not because I plan to ever be a mover and shaker in the IM scene (I don't), but simply because I like sharing my ideas, experiences, tips, websites, resources, rants, etc. that I've learnt in my short foray into online marketing and website building and all that malarkey. Truth be told, I'm still a noob. But I'm gettin' there! :-)

    Now, the reason I mention this is because I do something on that list which I haven't seen anyone else do: I give people the opportunity to click on the direct link. Wow! What a novel idea, huh? A straight-up, honest, no-strings, respect-your-intelligence-as-someone-else-in-IM recommendation. Whoodathunkit?

    Yeah, yeah, I know... givin' away the farm, not a charity, this is a business I'm running here... and all that.

    Rubbish!

    I don't really care that much whether my readers click on the affiliate links or not. It's not anywhere even CLOSE to my central stream of revenue. And I add messages to the autoresponder whenever I feel like it. It's a little side project, really. Just me shootin' the shit with a handful of other folks who sell using the internet and who are game enough to add another mailing list to their existing addiction.

    My approach is based on helping without the bait'n'switch or deception that's rife in IM. There are no emails saying "My friend, [name] just released this awesome new membership site. Go check it out!"

    I like to think that I respect people's intelligence. And that by doing so, they'll respect my recommendations. And after a little while, they might even start using my affiliate link. "Here, go and check this site out via the direct link by all means. But here's my affiliate link in the event that you trust me (which you may not)."


    But I don't do that in places like this. Places which have given me so much for nothing.


    So, anyway, back to the WF...

    I want the people who read my posts to this forum to know that I'm not bullshitting them or leading them up the garden path. That when I say something's great, that I mean it.

    When I come to the WF (or any other), I want to feel confident that other people, too, are making recommendations in a similar spirit of camaraderie (for want of a better term).

    I agree that it doesn't state in the rules of this forum that affiliate links in posts are a no-no.

    Agreed.

    But can't you see my point that if everyone dropped their affiliate link every time they commented on a product, this place would pretty soon degrade into a pitchfest platform -- as opposed to the solid source of advice offered (mostly) out of the goodness of people's hearts?

    My suggestion, David -- if you really want to be a dog at a bone on this one -- (although, this is more generally aimed at anyone who insists on dropping their affiliate links into their posts) is to write what I know are your honest recommendations (and the reasons for them) and at the end put a note saying something like: "If you thought this advice was useful and you'd like to 'Buy me a beer', here's my affiliate link ---> ..."

    It's still a bit cheesy on a forum in my opinion, but people might put more credibility in your posts.

    (As a slight aside, to take your restaurant example: If you and I are someplace and you suggest the swordfish steak with couscous and blanched asparagus spears, I presume you're not doing so because you hooked up a deal with the restaurant owner to bag yourself a commission for every person who orders it based on your recommendation. I presume you're doing it because you honestly think I'd like it. If I found out that you were getting a kick-back from it, I'd be unlikely to go to lunch with you ever again.

    On the other hand, if I meet you at a dinner party and we get to talking about restaurants and you tell me you've dined at a particular restaurant a number of times and offer me a recommendation to try it out...

    ... I'm likely to believe you.

    But hang on... why not be rewarded for that recommendation, huh?

    Sure.

    Okay... so same scenario...

    You tell me you've dined at a particular restaurant a number of times and offer me a recommendation to try it out...

    ...but wait... in fact, you have a recommendation card that gets me the window seat overlooking the bay (providing it hasn't already been booked the evening I'm interested in) (and which costs the owner nothing extra and isn't a discount coupon either)...

    ...and I see your Ref-ID for your finder's fee. I may think at first "Bah! He's just telling me this to get whatever the kickback is..." But then, based on whatever the snake-oil factor of your story was, I might reconsider and think "Hmmm... he seemed pretty honest. I actually believe that he thinks this is a good restaurant. So I'll go there. And if it's any good, well, I'm likely to go back. And if I do, then I'll use his card and he'll get his spotter's fee."


    If you (or anyone else) only pop up on here whenever your champion product gets a mention and then slip your affiliate link in there along with your comments (as if no one on this forum is gonna notice that), then how am I to take anything that you recommend seriously?

    Should I take everything as equally weighted, even though you don't put your affiliate link in there for other things you discuss and recommend?

    And then, if that's the case, the best approach (for you) to be taken seriously would be to maintain consistency and put your affiliate link in for everything.

    And then if everyone started doing that all the time, how would you or I know whose advice to put any credence in?

    Personally, I would leave this forum immediately never to return. I rue the day every man and his dog think it's okay to whack their affiliate link into everything they comment on at this forum.


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    @the OP: I'm really sorry for such a horrendous example of thread-jacking. To answer your question:

    No, it's not worth $177. That's a fair whack of money and you say that you're not very techy. I could be wrong about this, but if you're not comfortable FTPing stuff and installing simple scripts, then I'd guess you're new to this online bizzo (despite your join-date).

    You might be a gun salesman and marketer, don't get me wrong. But if the installation of RAP sounds scary, I'm guessing you're new to the whole IM maintain your own website thang.

    If that's the case, you may not (although what would I know?) be willing to "risk" $177.

    Again, I'd wager that the fact you even posted means you don't have $177 to piss up against the wall.

    You can buy other stand-alone affiliate software like iDevAffiliate for around a hundred bucks which still gives you full control over your site. RAP has a certain limiting factor that I dislike extremely: the fact that everything has to go through the main "index.php" page. This means that there are things that I simply can't do on my site and accurately record commissions for my affiliates.

    ** Although I'm open (and happy!) to be corrected on that, Sid.**

    It's an extremely good script, there's no doubt about it. Lots of features, as Scott has already pointed out. And I do use it.

    Repeat: I'm not anti-RAP; I own it and use it.

    But you have to look at what YOUR needs are versus the feature-set that it offers. As some of the other people have pointed out, if you don't really need those features -- particularly the affiliate stuff -- then it's not worth it. (Even David (TheToolWiz) was straight up with you about that).

    Installation is not particularly difficult and as Kyle said, you can outsource that on the cheap if you need to.

    But, really, it's easy. Just take it slow and follow the manual. Read through the whole manual first - even if it does seem like gobbledygook - then come back a couple of days later and do the installation following along with the steps in the manual now that you've already "imprinted" the bigger picture overview of the system.

    You also have to consider how much of hurry you are in. Personally, (even though I own RAP), I can't wait until the new version of DLGuard comes out, with its affiliate system in place.

    PM Sam Stephens if you're interested.

    I've been fiddling around with different affiliate solutions for a little while now and posted a couple of threads on here asking for advice about setting up my own because the way I see it is that it's really difficult to change your affiliate system once you're up and running. A little bit like changing your autoresponder when you've got a ton of people on your list.

    But again, what would I know? I could be wrong.

    If I am, folks, educate me.


    If you'd like to set up a bunch of little niche mini-sites and have a quick and easy way to put an affiliate system in place, then RAP is going to work well for you. But then again, so will ClickBank. That's only about 50 bucks.

    If you're looking for a more flexible long-term solution on an authority site offering a lot of products over time and the ability to build your site however you like and run whatever sorts of tests and tracking you want to (over and above a whole-page A/B split-test), then RAP is not for you.

    So... summary: Work out what YOUR needs are for whichever site or sites you're sizing up RAP for, look at the feature-set, and decide from there. It'll CERTAINLY make you back your money in short shrift if you generate even a handful of affiliates and have a good offer.

    But like ANY other tool, it's gotta match your gameplan. You wouldn't bring a running back on in the third period coming back from a powerplay, would you?

    Best of luck with it!

    TheNightOwl
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      David it seems you are determined to pimp your links everytime possible.
      You know when you go to a conference and you're trying to listen to the speaker and the guy sitting next to you just keeps talking about how great his insurance plan would be for you and your family...

      Or at the family get together and the brother-in-law sitting next you keeps reminding you that he owns a car lot and can get you a good deal...

      Makes these little gatherings so much more enjoyable.

      But back to the RAP. Does this work with Aweber or do you start a new list within RAP?
      I'm sure it was on the sales page somewhere but I'm still confused.

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      • Profile picture of the author jhall85

        But back to the RAP. Does this work with Aweber or do you start a new list within RAP?
        I'm sure it was on the sales page somewhere but I'm still confused.

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        It totally works with Aweber. there are a few changes that you have to make but it tells you exactly how to do it and gives a good example. I'd only used aweber once before i tried it and it didnt take too long to figure out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
    Thanks to all for sharing their thoughts. I take away from this discussion that RAP is a good medium term solution but once I get beyond the initial multiple Ebook that it might not be.

    Has anyone ever seen Jimmy D. Brown's affiliate system? It seems like a lot of the big gurus have some really cool stuff that dynamically creates links. I know the Butterfly script does this.

    Is this a better long run solution? (the butterfly script)


    Thanks so much!

    Brad Spencer
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    Hmmm, I think I'd give it a try!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    First one to give me their affiliate link gets my sale lol

    I'm going to invest in it, (Been thinking about it for a while)

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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    The real issue with affiliate links in posts is that the reader has a harder time sifting through the information to determine if the praise is real or if it's just a sales pitch.

    There was a post a while back (Black Friday, if I remember right), where someone said, "Company XYZ has a discount for today only - 75% off. If you want to thank me for the info, use my affiliate link..." To me, that's not an issue.

    However, when someone says, "Product X is the greatest. You really need it if you _____. Here's a link --> CLICK HERE!," it dilutes the value of their post as well as the value of the forum overall.

    RAP does have a learning curve. It's great for what it offers, and it offers a lot. If you have or want to have an affiliate program or use JV partners in some commission percentage combination on primary products and back-end offers, it will fit the bill. The learning curve is a result of its flexibility. If you only want to do 100% commission to build a list, the $7 script is simpler.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhall85
    first of all be sure that this product will do everything you need it to. i'm a huge newb so i cant really give you proper advice on that.

    im such a huge newb that rap was the first thing i ever used to set up the sight i was working on. this was two weeks ago and its up and running and much more successful than anticipated.

    the product i used it for was a give away with a backend upsell. affiliates are given 100% of the sale and are not required to buy the product in order to sell it. i only mentioned this to illustrate why i needed rap.

    i had a bit of a struggle due to the learning curve and the fact that i had never used a template before etc. but everything i needed to know was in the pdf.

    it was intuitive and easy to use in my newbish opinion and it was very easy to set up the affiliates program.

    i had a mentor holding my hand through some of the tough spots but i still think it works great and if you have a need of it and an extra $177 laying around i would definitely grab it. just my opinion, not trying to mention my product or drop an affiliate link.

    i've never made any sort of website or anything like that and i figured out how to use rap on my own with the instructional pdf. it's making money and works just fine. when i had some minor technical issues sid gave me all the advice i needed to fix my problem within the rap forum.

    hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      Nice to see someone take action, and welcome to the forum (even if you did join a while ago lol)

      Kim

      Originally Posted by jhall85 View Post

      first of all be sure that this product will do everything you need it to. i'm a huge newb so i cant really give you proper advice on that.

      im such a huge newb that rap was the first thing i ever used to set up the sight i was working on. this was two weeks ago and its up and running and much more successful than anticipated.

      the product i used it for was a give away with a backend upsell. affiliates are given 100% of the sale and are not required to buy the product in order to sell it. i only mentioned this to illustrate why i needed rap.

      i had a bit of a struggle due to the learning curve and the fact that i had never used a template before etc. but everything i needed to know was in the pdf.

      it was intuitive and easy to use in my newbish opinion and it was very easy to set up the affiliates program.

      i had a mentor holding my hand through some of the tough spots but i still think it works great and if you have a need of it and an extra $177 laying around i would definitely grab it. just my opinion, not trying to mention my product or drop an affiliate link.

      i've never made any sort of website or anything like that and i figured out how to use rap on my own with the instructional pdf. it's making money and works just fine. when i had some minor technical issues sid gave me all the advice i needed to fix my problem within the rap forum.

      hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    BTW

    Has anyone got a RAP site I can look at to see how it works, (Not got mine up yet)

    Kim
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      Kim, Get with John (Globalpro) and he can set you up. He knows RAP inside and out.

      John is a great guy who really takes setting these systems up seriously. He started out with me as an advisor and beta tester for my original Simple Member script as well as being an admin on my support forum for a long time. He will get you any information you need about RAP.

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      BTW

      Has anyone got a RAP site I can look at to see how it works, (Not got mine up yet)

      Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Klatt
    I appreciate everyone adding to a compelling answer to this question, which is one I also had.

    The thing that's helpful to me is I already spent that amount, and it seemed too difficult to use so it's just sat there unused.

    I did not know about the support forum, and received no reply to questions e-mailed to Sid.

    Because of the ideas people here have shared, I will set aside the time to become familiar (comfortable) with the script and I can see the value in doing that.

    Thank you all!

    Warmly,
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hey Dan,
      Originally Posted by Dan Klatt View Post

      The thing that's helpful to me is I already spent that amount, and it seemed too difficult to use so it's just sat there unused.


      I did not know about the support forum, and received no reply to questions e-mailed to Sid.
      That sort of makes us even, as I didn't know about your emails.

      I do respond to emails - but first, I have to find them in amongst all the spam I get.

      You've apparently found the forum now, and there is also a helpdesk. (Links to both were on your download page.) The forum is best for most issues, as you'll get help from other users as well (and not a bad place to look for affiliates for your RAP-driven products), but both are available just so I can accomodate either preference.
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    I will have to look into this in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Two things I want to comment on.

    Brad, you need to decide what your business model is, then decide what you want to use. DL Guard and Simple Member Pro are both excellent scripts. Same with Kim's products. All have excellent support.

    My personal preference is RAP. It works for me and all of my clients.

    As far as 'pimping' RAP, I would love nothing more than to be able to use an affiliate link. The trade off is I offer free installs to those that buy through me...

    But the forum rules are clear, No Affiliate Links in the Sig file and it's also been made clear that this is frowned upon in the context of a post. Allen even weigh in on this.

    At the same time, if anyone has specific questions about RAP, they are always welcome to PM me, or visit MY site in the sig and email me from there.

    I get a lot out of this forum and if I can give back by helping someone here, then I am glad to do so.

    Thanks,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hey John,

      Thanks a lot for that.

      I do have a question though...
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      • Profile picture of the author globalpro
        Sid,

        Feel free to email me. I am always available to help you if you need it.

        Thanks,

        John

        PS LOL, sorry, couldn't resist it.

        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Hey John,

        Thanks a lot for that.

        I do have a question though...
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