Do you still take into account promoting a 1246-day-old Clickbank product?

12 years ago

Is it worth your time?

No one can answer this for you but you yourself...Gravity is irrelevant when it comes to conversions. It all boils down to how you market & pre-sell the product.

I've managed to make amazing sales for products which had less than 20 gravity just based on effective pre-selling alone. So don't worry about the gravity too much...High or low...It doesn't really matter.

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magiclouie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ryanman

Is it worth your time?

No one can answer this for you but you yourself...Gravity is irrelevant when it comes to conversions. It all boils down to how you market & pre-sell the product.

I've managed to make amazing sales for products which had less than 20 gravity just based on effective pre-selling alone. So don't worry about the gravity too much...High or low...It doesn't really matter.

Thanks for your input ryanman but it's not really the gravity that I am concerned of, it's the age of the product.

Thanks for sharing your experience though.

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Sagar Mehta

12 years ago

Hi Louie,

If it's ranked high and has quite a good gravity, it means people are still promoting it (unless am missing something).

If this was an IM product or something about SEO for example, then it wouldn't make sense to promote it now because the info would be outdated and irrelevant.

I don't think things in the health niche have that issue.

MAYBE a lot of people already have that product since its so old. But, it's a big market out there and am sure there are tons of people who haven't even heard of it.

Just my 2 cents

Sagar

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Yogini

12 years ago

Some of the books high up on weight loss in amazon are from 2006 so I think in this niche that the latest and biggest fad isn't necessary. Many people that try to lose weight use weight watchers, atkins or other diet plans that have been around for many years. It probably would be useful though to have a blog that has articles or a journey that shows progress with the method.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

I certainly wouldn't let a product's age put me off promoting it.

I successfully promote products older than that.

I don't understand where you've got your information from, about the product, Louie.

My guess is that it's come from some other site, because some of it's clearly wrong, and is neither information published by ClickBank nor information which can legitimately be derived from any information published by ClickBank.

I can tell you, for a start, that no weight-loss product with a gravity of 155 has a 0% refund-rate. That's just nonsense, to put it very bluntly.

But here's the point: refund rates aren't published by ClickBank, and they also can't be derived from information that is published by ClickBank. And if some other site has - as I suspect - used their own "secret proprietary algorithm" to "produce" this "information", you shouldn't be basing your business decisions on it! It's fiction, not fact. Who knows what else might be wrong with it? (Call me a skepchick but my guess is "quite a bit" because the so-called "refund rate" is by no means the only thing in those figures that makes no sense at all!)

If it happens to be "Fatburning Furnace", then personally I wouldn't be willing to promote it anyway, because of its sales page, and especially the leak (:p) on the second (:rolleyes

exit pop-up page. But that's just me ...

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magiclouie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I certainly wouldn't let a product's age put me off promoting it.

I successfully promote products older than that.

I don't understand where you've got your information from, about the product, Louie.

My guess is that it's come from some other site, because some of it's clearly wrong, and is neither information published by ClickBank nor information which can legitimately be derived from any information published by ClickBank.

I can tell you, for a start, that no weight-loss product with a gravity of 155 has a 0% refund-rate. That's just nonsense, to put it very bluntly.

But here's the point: refund rates aren't published by ClickBank, and they also can't be derived from information that is published by ClickBank. And if some other site has - as I suspect - used their own "secret proprietary algorithm" to "produce" this "information", you shouldn't be basing your business decisions on it! It's fiction, not fact. Who knows what else might be wrong with it? (Call me a skepchick but my guess is "quite a bit" because the so-called "refund rate" is by no means the only thing in those figures that makes no sense at all!)

If it happens to be "Fatburning Furnace", then personally I wouldn't be willing to promote it anyway, because of its sales page, and especially the leak (:p) on the second (:rolleyes

exit pop-up page. But that's just me ...

Hello Alexa, thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts about this. I used this site to get those information, Clickbank Statistics Have Never Looked So Good - CBSnooper.com

I am not sure if I can rely on those details provided by cbsnooper, however when I just checked clickbank's marketplace, these were the details I got:

Stats: Initial $/sale: $34.75 | Avg %/sale: 75.0% | Avg Rebill Total: $22.96 | Avg %/rebill: 75.0% | Grav: 156.08
Cat: Health & Fitness : Diets & Weight Loss

I am not sure how the cbsnooper got the Refund rate.

In fact, they also have this appraisal and here it is:

This product reached its highest gravity 101 days ago. The gravity is very high and the market may be saturated. The gravity is falling. Even though the gravity is down, the underlying trend is up.

Gravity Stats

Gravity:155.50
Gravity +/-: -1.72
Highest Gravity: 183.47
101 days ago

Once more, thanks a lot for taking the time in sharing your valuable insights about my query.

Sincerely,
Louie Tugas

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by magiclouie

I am not sure if I can rely on those details provided by cbsnooper

No, indeed. From what was above, it's clear that you can't/shouldn't, Louie.

Originally Posted by magiclouie

however when I just checked clickbank's marketplace, these were the details I got:

Stats: Initial $/sale: $34.75 | Avg %/sale: 75.0% | Avg Rebill Total: $22.96 | Avg %/rebill: 75.0% | Grav: 156.08
Cat: Health & Fitness : Diets & Weight Loss

Yes, I know the product.

Apart from maybe the gravity, there's nothing in the Marketplace statistics that would stop me from promoting it. And certainly not its age.

I have to say, though, that the sales page would definitely put me off, because it doesn't match my selection criteria in a few places: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

Specifically, it has an opt in (on the second exit-page - I won't touch those), and exit-pages, and autoplay video which always converts very badly for my traffic. This is personal preference only, of course. I'm not saying that no affiliates are making any money from it (and I won't be surprised if some are).

Originally Posted by magiclouie

I am not sure how the cbsnooper got the Refund rate.

Just in case that site is owned by a Warrior, I'd better not comment, Louie, other than offering the factual statement that (for a reason!) there's no way of working that out from information which ClickBank publishes.

Sorry not to sound more optimistic, and of course I wish you very well with it, if you try it.

Originally Posted by phil.wheatley

It's also worth adding that a product may do very well for you, even if it has a gravity of 1!!!

Absolutely right.

My current bestsellers and highest converters all have gravities under 5. They're dead easy to sell in large numbers.

Originally Posted by phil.wheatley

Gravity can often mean it just has a great sales page.

It can go with that sometimes ... but not this time, unfortunately.

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magiclouie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

No, indeed. From what was above, it's clear that you can't/shouldn't, Louie.

Yes, I know the product.

Apart from maybe the gravity, there's nothing in the Marketplace statistics that would stop me from promoting it. And certainly not its age.

I have to say, though, that the sales page would definitely put me off, because it doesn't match my selection criteria in a few places: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

Specifically, it has an opt in (on the second exit-page - I won't touch those), and exit-pages, and autoplay video which always converts very badly for my traffic. This is personal preference only, of course. I'm not saying that no affiliates are making any money from it (and I won't be surprised if some are).

Just in case that site is owned by a Warrior, I'd better not comment, Louie, other than offering the factual statement that (for a reason!) there's no way of working that out from information which ClickBank publishes.

Sorry not to sound more optimistic, and of course I wish you very well with it, if you try it.

Absolutely right.

My current bestsellers and highest converters all have gravities under 5. They're dead easy to sell in large numbers.

It can go with that sometimes ... but not this time, unfortunately.

I can't thank you enough for these valuable information, Alexa.

I copied and pasted to a doc file your 10-point checklist for CB product-selection.

I have been researching about these stuffs for quite some time already and finally, I got now solid tips and suggestions with respect to CB product-selection.

Moreover, I was under the impression that Trial and error is the only way to learn how to find profitable niches and products.

Definitely, I won't be promoting that product anymore and I think I have found one which almost got a perfect score based on your 10-point checklist.

Again, thanks a lot, Alexa and to all Warriors who shared their inputs about my query.

More power to all of us.

Cheers,
Louie Tugas

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zthfitness

12 years ago

We have a variety of landing pages. If you signed up for the affiliate program you would see that.

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JohnMcCabe

12 years ago

Louie, I don't do much with Clickbank products, so my remarks are more general.

I don't worry about how long a product has been on the market. If markets themselves were closed, static groups, I might.

But they aren't. Look at the outdated crap that keeps selling in the IM/MMO markets. Products that were high quality and relevant two or three algorithm changes ago, but now could do more harm to a newbie's business than good.

I got an email the other day from someone who wanted to sell me a piece of software for making doorway pages, for goodness sake.

Yet they keep selling because there is always a flow of new people coming into a market as well as people leaving it. I would imagine the same applies to the health/fitness markets.

If the product is good, it doesn't matter how old it is. If the product is crap, it doesn't matter how new it is.

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imjw0214 12 years ago

If you can connect the right people with the right products then yes it is worth your time. It doesn't matter how old it is. If it is still relevant to what people are still looking for then you can still make money from it.
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magiclouie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Louie, I don't do much with Clickbank products, so my remarks are more general.

I don't worry about how long a product has been on the market. If markets themselves were closed, static groups, I might.

But they aren't. Look at the outdated crap that keeps selling in the IM/MMO markets. Products that were high quality and relevant two or three algorithm changes ago, but now could do more harm to a newbie's business than good.

I got an email the other day from someone who wanted to sell me a piece of software for making doorway pages, for goodness sake.

Yet they keep selling because there is always a flow of new people coming into a market as well as people leaving it. I would imagine the same applies to the health/fitness markets.

If the product is good, it doesn't matter how old it is. If the product is crap, it doesn't matter how new it is.

Very well said, JohnMcCabe.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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phil.wheatley

12 years ago

If the product solves specific problems your audience is having, then it doesn't matter how old it is. For example, Think and Grow Rich is still a good book for Mundset, and I think it is heading towards 100 years old.

If you don't know whether the ebook will solve your audience's problems, then ask youirself why you would promote it. Only research and surveying your list (if you have one) can answer this. Also, hang out on the niche specific forums to see what people are talking about.

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Josh Richardson

12 years ago

Personally, i think that age is irrelevant - As long as it still converts and its a solid product.

How do you know if it converts? Forget the Cb stats and just promote it and see what happens.

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phil.wheatley

12 years ago

It's also worth adding that a product may do very well for you, even if it has a gravity of 1!!! It's all about matching the product to the problem. Gravity can often mean it just has a great sales page.

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magiclouie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by phil.wheatley

It's also worth adding that a product may do very well for you, even if it has a gravity of 1!!! It's all about matching the product to the problem. Gravity can often mean it just has a great sales page.

Thanks phil. If you don't mind me asking, do you ignore right away products which salespage have otpin form?

Sincerely,
Louie Tugas

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phil.wheatley

12 years ago

I don't come across many. However, sometimes that can lower the conversion, simply because it can give the visitor too many options. It depends on the niche as well. For my own products, people can either buy, or opt in, but not both on one page. With one of my products, when the visitor buys, I then put them onto a list so I know they have purchased, these people are easier to sell to down the line, as long as your product is good of course.

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travlinguy

12 years ago

I can think of a book that's a couple thousand years old and still gets quite a bit of attention. That thing you bring up is still a puppy.

If it's high quality and still in demand you should have no problem.

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phil.wheatley

12 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

I can think of a book that's a couple thousand years old and still gets quite a bit of attention. That thing you bring up is still a puppy.

If it's high quality and still in demand you should have no problem.

I didn't know Lord of the Rings was 2000 years old lol

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PPC-Coach

12 years ago

The internet is the only place where if something is older then 30 seconds it's called outdated.

Offline a business that is that old is considered a huge success.

Very annoying.

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magiclouie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

The internet is the only place where if something is older then 30 seconds it's called outdated.

Offline a business that is that old is considered a huge success.

Very annoying.

Which one is very annoying?

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zoomsixx

12 years ago

I think the numbers look good honestly for that product. Age is irrelevant.

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