Why do so many warriors offer their services so cheap here?

Better or worse, that's the WF mentality.

Also, the vast (V-A-S-T) majority of people on here are penniless, desperate for a dollar by tomorrow, don't have anything to invest and wouldn't if they did because it's already spoken for by bills. Sorry to sound harsh but thems are the facts.

And that is precisely why they don't act, stick with anything, or make any money.

I'm not going to go into the value of my WSOs, but you go out into the world and find a sales trainer...ask them how much they'd charge to write you a script, or coach you to overcome call reluctance. Then pick your jaw back up off the floor.

People believe that since they are on the internet, they should be able to start a business on the cheap.

Desperate to bring in any amount of money they can, service providers happily oblige.

Workers in third world countries are able to charge less.

It's really that simple.

And a lot of people are from areas of the world where $5 is a LOT... enough to pay for breakfast, lunch, and dinner... for the whole family!

If someone's going to offer something for $100, someone will beat it at $99, and it'll keep getting driven down. Perhaps it has been driven too far down?

I tell the truth and my post gets removed in under a minute..

Seems to be easier to find 10 clients for $5.00 than one client for $50.00. Especially those who live in places where the cost of living is low.

I'd chalk it up to just trying to find work and the easiest way to do that, sadly, is to be cheap and efficient over expensive and stellar.

It's a matter of mindset, choice and talent. In that order.

All else being equal, people tend to gravitate to where they think they belong. I grew up in a slightly different time than now. People read a lot more before there was so much other entertainment like instant movies and the Internet. Writers were more respected.

As a first time writer for a financial publication I made 10 cents per word. I thought that was low. This was the '90s. In time, after the editor whipped me into shape, I got 12 cents per word and was most often getting the feature assignment along with another article within. This was a real estate investment magazine published quarterly.

Since then I've just assumed my work was worth at least that much. That's the mindset thing I mentioned up front. And when you go about your business thinking something is real, it most often is real. I don't, and won't take writing assignments unless I get what I want. I once got $400 for a 1200-word article. I probably could have gotten $500.

I'm no Hemingway but I'm not a slouch either. I think a lot of people accept substandard pay because, for one, they think they have to. They also don't realize there are better paying gigs right under their noses.

Most often, people who pay small money for articles and say they're good don't really know what quality writing is. That might sound snobbish but it's true. I've been around this forum long enough to see what people think good writing is and most of it is pretty low grade. One of the problems, and it's a big one, is the literacy rate is so low. People graduate from high school with a sixth or seventh grade reading level.

Another reason people sell themselves so cheaply is, and this is probably more relevant than anything, they need to eat. But all they need to do is decide to charge more and stick with it. There might be a small dry period of adjustment but if they've actually got the chops they'll soon start getting what they're worth.

Instead they're like flies buzzing around a screen door that's slightly ajar. They're trying to break free, banging away at the screen while only a few inches away there's enough of an opening that thousands of flies could escape. But they don't see that opening because they don't believe in openings. Same goes for writers. So it goes...

Well, I have about 4500 articles published at Ezine Articles. I have written about 500 of them myself and purchased the rest paying about $0.005 per word. And yes.... they are quality stuff and the money has been pouring in week after week since May 2009.

On another hand, I hired two U.S. based copywriters at "regular" price and both failed miserably at their respective tasks. One of them has been making particularly bold claims on the copywriting forum but when it come to actually delivering results.... he was just another hopeless pumpkin.

Just my $0.02.
Andre

People need to value their offering, if this was the case, price would go up a bit and we wouldn't see the rampant discounts online.

Hey Joel,

According to me these are the reasons -

1. Difference in economy - Services are being offered primarily from India, Philippines where the rates are quite lower than USA or europe.

2. Benefit of bulk - I mean at low rates you are getting hundreds of people using your service. Imagine this as walmart concept which asks sellers to sell things at low cost, and sellers do that since they get a lot of business.

3. minimum advertising - To sell at WF, you don't need substantial advertising budget. So, you can keep the prices low.

4. Front end - You can use WF as forum to acquire buyers. People do the same on their website - Offer something at low cost to acquire buyer and then upsell a more expensive product.

Just some reasons according to me.

When you can get quality articles written for $2.5 a piece by people in India, $5 per article begins to seem like a good pay

The WSO offer is supposed to be Special Offer that means making Warriors a deal like no others get. Usually that comes in the form of a much lower price. Also, even though the prices might be low the quantity of sales can be in the hundreds if not thousands. When that happens the profit is over the top.

Not all sellers (providers) sell products and services publicly here at the WF because some providers are small businesses that support a small client base, but that small client base is high in terms of income for the provider.

Sorta depends on how long you have been doing business here, who you do business with and how you are established.

Jeffery 100% :-)

The WSO makes this happen. It is the whole belief that everything on the warrior is supposed to be cheap. Not to mention I have met a few people who farm it all out on the odesk for way cheaper. I like the discounted prices on everything. It helped me in the beginning to be able to afford services to get my business up and running.

While I understand the premium pricing concept, I also understand helping the new guy. I mean look around this forum. There is help everywhere and really good prices for the newbie to get started. Charge high end prices out there! Let's keep this forum a place that newbies want to come and learn. As they continue on as your customer explain that while you are building a good relationship you still need to up your prices because the first couple times were designed to help out. Now that they are having some success they can afford to pay more.

The 2 possible outcomes.
1.) The customer understands (as this is a business) and continue on for a long time. You both win.
2.) They were only discount shoppers and leave. No problem there. They have no respect for the concept of business and you want them to go elsewhere anyway.

My opinion.

Because there is a market for it. If forum members decided to become more selective about their clients, and charge accordingly, it would create a gap in service availability that would be quickly filled.

In fact, this happens regularly.

While I'm not saying that people shouldn't value their time and skills, as long as there are customers and the hard costs are negligible a low end market will exist.

Cheap priced product/service that delivers real quality value = future sales - life time value of customer increase - relationship is more solid

Cheap priced product/service that doesn't deliver = no future sales - life time value of customer decreased - no relationship

The first one is just common sense marketing and all the big earners are doing it. It's an entrepreneurial strategy which focuses on the long term.

The second one is for opportunity seekers who want quick cash and focus on short term value, to them.

You also have to keep in mind that a lot of these low priced products have a high return for the seller. They do the work once and get paid again and again.

**I am a plasterer by trade and used to charge 500 euro ($700) to plaster a living room. That was the going rate at the time. Since times have changed, If I was to quit IM and go back to plastering I would be forced to charge 250 euro ($300) to do the same work. It sucks, but that's the market now and people will not pay higher prices anymore because the competition to do it for less is all over the bloody place.**

When I purchase a WSO (which is very rarely) I expect NOT to be blown away. It's 100% fact that WSO's are mostly useless and never give value that can't be found anywhere online for free.

Listen, there's too many ways to look at why many price their products/services at such a low cost. The truth is though, a lot of the information floating around these days can be gotten for free if you are willing to search for it. If, however, I pay for a high quality product at a very low price, i will definitely be back for more, and that's far more important for a business person than selling that same product at a high price but making far less sales. It's not always the case, but it's a good strategy for creating long term wealth.

You are 100% right, Joel, and it's a sad state of affairs. It undermines quality as well as profits. I left a ghost writing company after being enslaved there (through their incompetency, not any malicious intent on their part, to be fair) through being seriously undervalued in my writing capabilities. Unfortunately, that company is unconsciously dancing right along to this tune of undervaluing (and hence underpaying) the craft of the writer.

This problem is so ubiquitous, even here at this incredible Warrior forum, that I got sarcastic a couple of days ago when, finding myself confronted by low-ballers who advertised that they would work for even less than the already-highly-discounted rates that a prospective client offered to pay, I simply advertised that I can work for $1 per article. (Note I said I "can"; I never said I "would".) Shockingly, the prospect never contacted me to inquire further.

This "writing deeds done dirt cheap" attitude is not only disrespectful and toxic to the writers' community, it cheapens and decays the quality of the final product for the clients and even drags down the total quality of the materials on the Internet, too, leading to business-harming programs like Google Panda and Penguin. People who get these cheap articles (sometimes "free"!), quickly turned around, who think that they have received quality writing are either Scrooges or undiscerning fools or both.

As Stephen King (who has called himself "the Big Mac and fries of the literary world") has put it (in so many words): you can choose to drink your Pinot Noir from a finely cut crystal wine glass, or from a glass with a Mickey Mouse logo on it. The wine tastes the same either way but, ladies and gentlemen, there is a difference.

You are 100% right, Joel, and it's a sad state of affairs. It undermines quality as well as profits. I left a ghost writing company after being enslaved there (through their incompetency, not any malicious intent on their part, to be fair) and being seriously undervalued in my writing capabilities. Unfortunately, that company is unconsciously dancing right along to this tune of undervaluing (and hence underpaying) the craft of the writer.

This problem is so ubiquitous, even here at this incredible Warrior forum, that I got sarcastic a couple of days ago when, finding myself confronted by low-ballers who advertised that they would work for even less than the already-highly-discounted rates that a prospective client offered to pay, I simply advertised that I can work for $1 per article. (Note I said I "can"; I never said I "would".) Shockingly, the prospect never contacted me to inquire further.

This "writing deeds done dirt cheap" attitude is not only disrespectful and toxic to the writers' community, it cheapens and decays the quality of the final product for the clients and even drags down the total quality of the materials on the Internet, too, leading to business-harming programs like Google Panda and Penguin. People who get these cheap articles (sometimes "free"!), quickly turned around, who think that they have received quality writing are acting like either Scrooges or undiscerning fools or both.

As Stephen King (who has called himself "the Big Mac and fries of the literary world") has put it (in so many words): you can choose to drink your Pinot Noir from a finely cut crystal wine glass, or from a glass with a Mickey Mouse logo on it. The wine tastes the same either way but, ladies and gentlemen, there is a difference.

I dont, and never will.

Id rather go without the sale than join that circus.

The answer is simple. People here don't value their time and are desperate for money.

Some people have no real ability to sell anywhere else and focusing on selling to WF members is like shooting fish in a barrel so they get stuck here.

I think that, Quality is always quality, when somebody have a good budget then he will never go for a cheap quality. Its the matter of their faith and prestige. And when someone decides to get his work done at a low price then we cannot force him to buy at a higher cost. So every thing here in this world is totally dependent upon once interest.

I got a business where I sell something for a high price, but besides me I got an another man who sells the same product for a different and low price. So, I cannot force that man to sell it at the same price which I am selling. Its the matter of an illegal offence.

So, at the end I would like to conclude that in this subject there are the Pros and Cons.

It really is just a matter of supply equating demand at that price.

So the supply - workers (even very good and skilled ones) from 3rd world countries. I know it can be a shock to people in the developed nations, but in some countries $500 is a decent household income a month.

It may also be a case of over-supply. So what would you do if you were to charge $100, there are 100 others as good as you are charging $10? You would only be able to charge so much more if your services were valued at 10x more. That's why there are the 1% of internet gurus who charge 10x more than the 99% others but they are the 1%. And the 99% others still get clients because many people simply cannot afford to pay the top fees.

And on the other side of the equation, the demand. The thing about people trying to make money on the internet - for some it's a desperate last resort to make some money, others are students or part-timers hoping for some side income and can't afford a large initial outlay.

Still others, I believe, are just trying internet marketing out just to see how it goes. That being the case, they wouldn't be serious enough to commit a large amount of cash upfront in case it doesn't work out for them.

I'm not making a case for the low prices which devalue a skill. And I don't agree with this. I'm just stating an opinion as to why.

Why fight against them? Offer a better quality service, and position and price yourself accordingly.

Yeah there is definitely a trend in the prices for pretty much all products, information products tend to have a ceiling point as far as price is concerned because regardless of the quality contained there is the mindset that the ebook is not going to generate them the income they feel they deserve.

This is turn means products have been re created in audio and video format using the ebook as the script in place to lay out the content for either of these methods. It is the content set out in the form of an ebook that will set the plan for a 2 day seminar. It is the ebook that will create 10, 12, 20, 26 or 52 weeks worth of coaching charged at x amount per month or hundreds maybe thousands of dollars to access the course material.

And all the income comes from what someone is able to do with the content of an ebook, its the salesperson, the marketer, the deliverability of someone in each person that does this that can make an online business a success.

Reputation is everything in the online world, one balls up and a disgruntled person spills all on this forum and immediately shuns that persons work, when in fat 99.9% of the time, it is the persons inability to see a business opportunity right in front of them and it seems that needing to apply something is above what some are prepared to do in order to make money online.

I am still amazed at the fact that there are millions made from clickbank launches for 1,2 or 3 click software. Is this really the level of stupidity marketers deal with, its an easy buck for these guys. These products are all normally charged at the $37 or $47 entry point because thats what people can afford, the more they get sucked in to the idea, the deeper they fund this 'dirty' habit until they are thousands in debt and realise exactly what it was they needed to do in order to make an income online.

Offline servicing cost will almost always dominate over online costs, simply because of what the person has to give up timewise to provide an offline service, especially consultations or training etc they work out what an hour of time is worth to them in business and once they generate a certain amount of profit per month from 3-4 day weeks, its easy to see how that cost escalates in to the thousands.

Prices reflect the market I think . Big number of beginners my self included perfectly understand that Higher pays out there than 5$ article writing . So it's a choice by some to hunt quick $ . I choose not . Take my time learning , building lists , figure out right way to do it , testing . That's it , after that success .

And by the way , there is ways to start this without any money , but PC, internet connection and good capacity hard drive .

For the newer people in IM, offering services for the cheap can work as a marketing strategy. Simply undercutting the others in order to get into the game.

Further, my understanding of WSOs is that the fact that it is a Special Offer means that there's supposed to be a special price on here for services.

Either way, as these are online services, all the warriors in countries where the cost of living is lower are able to charge a lot lower than what someone in country with a higher cost of living will.

Why fight against them? Position yourself accordingly and you can charge higher prices

I think in a lot of cases these offers are for promotional purposes, to get people in their list or program and then upsell them after they realize the value in the service. I don't think everyone here is underselling themselves.

Also, WSO's are supposed to be significantly discounted for warrior members. So maybe they charge more outside of this forum.

Just a couple of thoughts.

If you buy so called one to one coaching for $97 a month or even $47 you are either not getting one to one coaching (you'll get a cheap video course) or the coaching is not worth even a penny as the person is not able to make money.

It is not true that all warriors are broke and it is not true that all warriors are just idiots.

If you buy real one on one coaching you can calculate rates of at least $200 to $250 per hour. Anything below that is crap.

Maybe to sell the customers more big ticket items in the backend, typical internet marketers style? profit of item 'x' is charged on item 'y'..

The problem ( or solution for many ) is the fact that for many Asian countries the pay is OK. I mean people are happily living for 10usd a day. Also the quality of work is very good in education and programming niche. For article writting they may or may not satisfy the buyer but give them programming they will certainly deliver upto your expectation. Further moving to labour intensive work they are just hard to compete. Where can we get 1000 geniune manual link submission for 30usd or less. So lot of reason are there for low price. Also I don't think majority of IM are penniless. Maybe they have tight budget but I believe even at low price we can get quality stuff.
Just to add in India you can get people to manage your financial portfolio with very good reaults for under 2K USD for a quarter.

This topic comes up in one form or another at least once a month.

The correct answer is that that most people on the site, both buyers and sellers, are hobbyists with very little money and very few options.

This is NOT a place where fortune 500 companies go to hire the best and brightest.

Most of the cheap vendors here are able to do stuff cheap because they work on templates.

Like, you'll notice that 90% of the sales pages in the WSO section look the same. It's because the graphics are all done by this one dude who's made a business out of creating quick, short copies, doing all the graphics from from a large collection of pre-rendered bits (I guess the graphic equivalent of a swipe file.)

That's basically what you're getting on WF, most of the time. The stuff is cheap, but it's mostly "canned" to one degree or another, and the more you look around the more you can tell that it is.

And before anyone calls me out for saying this, I just want to say I don't think there's anything wrong with this, and it's a pretty reasonable way to deliver medium quality services to struggling newbies. Just, it is what it is.

Jason and Joe have hit the nail on the head.

In addition.....

There are those that are 'breaking' into the IM business via this forum. In order to build a reputation, they will often start off with lower rates. Once established, their rates usually increase.

I couldnt agree more with all the previous posters. Many people are just not in the position to spend extra cash. I'm interested to know from those who have launched previous WSO's, have you continued receiving sales post WSO? I recently purchased popup domination for the full price at $77 though I'm pretty sure it was released at a much lower price point in this forum. How many of the previous purchasers would have purchased at this price point? For me based in South Africa, $77 is a substantial amount of money to spend but I viewed it as an investment into my business.

I Think every one have to hassle to get started and hence that will justify the lower charge rate, down the line when the person questins and checks his experience, knowledge and skills and can charge more is when he/she can increase their rates, so to get to the point we all have to start from the bottom. The issue is some people are stuck doing the lower rates forever and thats because their mindset is more of an emplyee than a business owner. I do not think where you come from has anything to do with this, it is all a mindset game and the confidence that goes with it.

As someone who provides services, I'd personally rather have customers than a high set of prices that no avails themselves of (at least here)

That said, I sell these same services at different prices on different platforms. I have some high-end clients, and some at every level. I also operate on the belief that you never know where someone is going to end up! I've had clients who bought low and because of the value upgraded significantly. Just depends.

For me it's about building a customer base.

Keith

It all comes down to basic economics: supply and demand. There is a huge supply of people out there willing to work for low rates. This is coupled with demand that is out striped by the supply, hence offer low rates and get work or post high rates and get nothing.

the real marketplace and internet marketplace is different
IM market place looks easy and doable i guess

It's mostly with the idea of being competitive--the cheaper your
product is the more sales you'll make. Unfortunately it doesn't
normally translate into more profits. Again, I wouldn't use the
Warrior forum as a standard for the industry. As mentioned
before most people here are trying to make things meet and
hence most are in the Wal-Mart phase of shopping.

-Ray Edwards

Joel,

I'll admit to undervaluing my services and products on the WF, Stuff that should be $50+ is $7. WHY?

2 reasons I have found in the brief self analysis I did after reading your post.

1. I have NO reputation, No Company Banner behind me, No franchise or group support and NO brand. So I need to establish these things as fast and as cost effectively as I can.
SURE I could invest my money in advertising and do all the PPC etc etc. OR I could come to a place like the WF offer my services as a LOSS leader type deal and get people in the door.
As I build reputation and get better testimonials etc, the prices will Increase as will the value that I can add to products once I establish a client base and no longer have to spend the bulk of my time prospecting and advertising.

So the warrior forum offers a place for people with no reputation to gain one, I find it more cost effective to offer massive discounts as my advertising rather than pay out the money on PPC etc.

Some of the copy writers here, you used to be able to hire for a sixpack and a bag of crisps, now they have a reputation you need to apply to allow them to charge you $5K.

2. Again due to being a smaller scale marketer, i need to test products, price points, market perception etc etc and see if my stuff will hold up under pressure. So the WF offers us a built in test ground. The warrior forum users often get a cheap price as this is the first exposure to the market. $40 to put your product into what is really a big focus group is a bargain. If the product is not cutting it I find the warriors are quick to point out the flaws, allowing fast development of the improvements/fine tuning.

After the WSO has run for a while, I then have enough Data and feedback to make the transition to the OUTSIDE world a little faster and smoother. As I spend money on advertising these products that I make, I need some data from the product itself to make decisions on where to spend ad dollars.

Ever had someone do something with your product you never thought of? That's what I am talking about, they pay you and then tell you 5 different ways to target your product you never even thought of.

SO Is the WF a place that sells cheap crap to the masses, for some YES, for others its a place to build our reputations, release our smaller products and get people into our sales funnels with very little risk.

To be long term Income generator ones needs to polish turds constantly to bring out new stuff, I believe this mentality has infected many forums and marketplaces and the true reason they where set up has been lost.

Just my 2 cents

Oda

I understand the point you're trying to make Joel. Complicated matter, we can look at it from many different angles.

1. Low pricing may indeed devalue a product or service in someone's eyes which should, probably, determine how buyers react to a certain seller, product or service. However, is that the actual case? I'm afraid there are many who fail to understand the connection there is between price and value. And marketers who know that as a fact could simply be... adapting to that reality rather than trying to alter it.

2. From a seller's perspective, a buyer is still a buyer and having a buyer on the list is considered a valuable asset. Obviously there's a difference between having a $7 and a $47 buyer's list. But I guess we can agree that both lists can be monetized, one way or another.

3. The industry is FULL of crap these days. And thus, it's perfectly normal for people to be hesitant to buy products/services, let alone high priced ones. That could partially explain why, even quality products and/or services are being priced the way they are.

4. Value is very much determined by each individual. A $7 product could have a $1000 value for me, it could have a $1 value for you. Considering there aren't many that ACT on what they learn, the value of a product significantly drops as a result. Pricing, which is a completely different matter, can't but reflect that truth.

Maybe these constants will change one day. Internet Marketing is evolving in a way that is destined to rule non-action, non-risk takers and people that are not willing to invest in their own business OUT of the game. Needless to say what's going to happen to those that don't see IM as a business in the first place.

Things changed when I decided once and for all to price myself out of the range of unreliable employers who don't value a good service.

There is a market for people who undervalue their own services, and/or people who will do it for them. I will no longer part of it.

There are people in the world, some even on the forum, who are willing to pay for quality work. I found that my workload went up as I my prices rose, so go figure.

Here is a very helpful article to get you started on learning how to properly price your stuff.
http://entrepreneurs.about.com/od/sa...strategy_2.htm

I will tell you the reason.

A fast nickel beats a slow dime every time. ♫

This is why the grocery store does not sell perfumes that are expensive. Instead they have row on row of pepsi cans. Trying to make money? Put yourself in the shoes of the average consumer.

The answer is simple when supply surpasses demands cost of service will greatly diminish.

It's a lot easier to get a business up and running on the internet and above have little to worry about your reputation because you don't see the people you are dealing with and a lot of people believe the market is always here, so they lower price and expect to sell more and offer junk.

Another reason is the cost of living, people from second, third world countries are much likely to offer lower services/quality than their counterpart.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've found that, in general, the PITA factor of a client is the inverse of the price they pay for my services - which is why I stay out of the WF pond.

As someone that freelanced here at the Warrior Forum for a few years, and loved it, I can give some first hand insight into why prices are so low here.

And it's certainly not because the quality is low - speaking for myself at least.

You'll find that there are some incredible talents here in the "For Hire" section, at awesome prices, in a way that's unique to the WF.

In a nutshell, it's so much easier to freelance here than it is anywhere else, and that makes it less expensive to actually provide a service.

Plus, there's long term value to be earned by first being a valuable part of this community and taking the time to learn from it.

Here's why, based on my experience:

1. Almost zero time and money goes into landing projects.

You pay a teency weency little fee to post or bump your thread and as long as you provide quality you'll be booked at least a month in advance.

The amount of return you get on a $20 ad is unheard of anywhere else, so that's a whole lot of time and money that doesn't go into landing work, and hence doesn't have to be built into the fees.

2. There's no "real world" expenses.

With an offline client you need to pay for a lot of overheads you don't need at the WF, such as:

* Business attire for meetings.
* Office space for meetings and work.
* Petrol (gas) to get to and from meetings & work.
* Telephone bills for client communication.
* All the time associated with the above.

When you add up all the expenses of these types of things, it actually costs you a great deal just to land an offline client and those expenses have to be built into the price.

At the WF things are simpler. You post your thread, chat via PM / email with a client, they order electronically, you deliver, that's pretty much it. Very cheap business to run, so you can reflect that in the price of the service.

3. Projects at the WF, if run properly, are very cut & dry without any fuss.

I learned that there is a sweet spot on pricing that makes projects run very smoothly.

The irony is that services being too cheap or too expensive tend to attract almost exactly the same type of client - i.e. very demanding.

But, here at the WF if you price yourself at the top end of the WF but still at the bottom end of the industry at large you typically attract a client who understands the great deal they are getting.

This type of client will generally take receipt of their finished project, and be extremely happy and grateful for it, and then leave a completed project as completed.

On the contrary if you charge higher rates, you won't just get that extra fee for nothing. You'll often be expected to be on call and ready for service 24h a day for the term of your natural life.

Pricing at the sweet spot gives you the ability to run projects efficiently, and when they're done, they're done.

This in turn allows you to get your hourly rate to a very respectable level, and at the end of the day it's not the initial fee that counts, it's how much you have actually earned for your time when everything is done and dusted.

4. Every project you do here is an investment in your online future

If you have aspirations beyond freelancing, this is the place to be. I can't even begin to tell you how much I learned purely from interfacing with all the people here at the Warrior Forum.

You get to work with marketers in virtually every field of the online world, and by applying the skills you already have to all these different areas your knowledge expands exponentially.

And if you want to become a product creator, you get the opportunity to learn first hand what people want, where they struggle, and what problems there are that need solving.

At the same time, every project you take and every piece of feedback a client posts for you shows the community what type of person and professional you are.

Then, when you want to start launching WSO's everyone already knows who you are and that you are a trustworthy, skilled professional.

For example, when I first arrived at the WF (before I started freelancing here) I ran a WSO and at the time I was very happy to have made a few hundred bucks off it.

Fast forward a few years down the track when I took everything I had learned as a freelancer here, poured it all into a new product and launched it via WSO...

...I was extremely happy to say the least to pull five figures in a week.

That's a pretty monumental difference, and it wouldn't have happened without the time I spent offering awesome freelance deals here at the WF.

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So to sum it all up, there's a bigger picture at the WF - it's not like any other online (or offline) community and that's why things are done a little differently.

I had such a great experience freelancing here that even now I still consider taking the odd project here and there - not because I need to anymore, but purely because I want to.

On the surface it might look like providers here aren't being paid enough for their efforts, but there are so many different types of rewards available here that aren't obvious at a glance.

The potential here is off the charts, especially for freelancers, so things aren't always as they may seem.

I think most members are looking for products that are cheap.

If it turns out that the product offers little or no value, many times
the members do not take the time to request for a refund, if the creator
offers a refund.

The bottom line here, is that the members are happy to purchase a cheap
product and the merchants seem to still make a good profit.

Kazz pretty much covered it all

I've been spending a great deal of time reviewing pricing in the Warriors For Hire section. I plan to do a posting soon on graphic design services but I want to make sure my pricing is not too cheap but will still draw interest.

My thinking is you start lower than average and eventually build up after you have a reputation.

Fifty Shades of Gray from a writer's perspective is a poorly written having a very simple story. Why it is so successful? because people want it and people willing to pay for it.

Cost is not equal to quality and quality is not equal to cost.

Yeah..I also wanted to know..cause i see the warriors have cheap rate service of their here..

I am glad to see this going in a different direction now. People who are not only looking at the bottom line and trying to do like big business who only cares what the shareholders think and not the customer or the public. It would be sad to see small businesses and single person companies taking the same route.

I am glad to see some people understand if you give first you will recieve in most cases.

Fair points Andy, i understand what you're saying here.
Joel

There are just some generous people

Simply put: Competition.

warriorforum is good start to sell service.
how you can sell service at high price (ex: $500) if you are new without portfolio ?

It is an open market. Many suppliers from many parts of the world. Not all have the same cost of living as the US and other industrialized countries. It has become a race to the bottom - in terms of prices. That's just a fact. If anything, this is GOOD NEWS. It pushes you to be MORE COMPETITIVE. If you can't compete on price, compete on QUALITY and value added features.

Competition is great. Don't run away from it, beat it at its own game.

Offering cheap services provides for a much easier way to gain customers. People LOVE knowing too when they dont have to pay anything at all

The truth is that... many people from other demographic are with competent skills, now if you charge $500 for 100 articles for writers let's say from the Philippines that is equivalent to more than 20,000 Pesos.... If a writer can finish 100 articles per day in a week, then $500 is more than enough, this is how some writers even from 1st world countries are willing to join in the competition. While writers in english speaking countries have higher rates most of them just delegates tasks to writers from 3rd world countries, this way they can earn without doing much. We have to accept the fact that the internet is an international business and using different resources for your business is not ilegal.... so, yep sometimes you just have to deal with it.

The truth is that... many people from other demographic are with competent skills, now if you charge $500 for 100 articles for writers let's say from the Philippines that is equivalent to more than 20,000 Pesos.... If a writer can finish 100 articles per day in a week, then $500 is more than enough, this is how some writers even from 1st world countries are willing to join in the competition. While writers in english speaking countries have higher rates most of them just delegates tasks to writers from 3rd world countries, this way they can earn without doing much. We have to accept the fact that the internet is an international business and using different resources for your business is not ilegal.... so, yep sometimes you just have to deal with it.