Eliminate a 6 month learning curve to get results now OR go it your own?

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I haven't started a thread on Warriors in like forever. For some reason at the moment I feel like starting one. Forgive me if there is another recent topic on this, I didn't look but want to be chatty about it so here I go.


There is a lot of discussion about free vs paid here on the forum, I have been lurking and reading. When I started here in 1997/98 or wheneever it was, I don't remember the date exactly. There was always people talking about how much they could get online for free and why pay for content, coaching, memberships, mentoring when people are so liberal with their information and especially now the over abundance is down right insane.

I was a great believer in FREE and learning on my own, figuring it out and going on and on about the waste of people spending so much money on learning, to me, simple things. Everyone I knew was doing this stuff, this online marketing and web wizardry stuff. There wasn't anything really difficult here, sure it took sometime to figure out how things worked and the subtleties of it. Though once you understand it there isn't really much holding you back from making whatever you wanted.

I shared what I learned with my friends and brainstorming group(s) and they in turn shared what they figured out as they figured it out, sometimes we worked it together. Was fun and really exciting to break through that invisible wall of not knowing to understanding. Was great fun.

Most of the time I just shared my knowledge with anyone for FREE, I was told I was building up Karma... I don't know how you calculate that but YEARS of learning, sharing and helping others was awesome and I got so good at it that I was able to take just about anyone from zero to mid five figures a month in a very short period of time. I am not bragging I am just sharing over time I was able to learn how to teach what I learned in a way that those that spent time with me were able to put into action...

I also made a crazy amount of posts and spent A LOT of my time mentoring people one-on-one, developing relationships, messing about and having a great old time.


Back to my point here, which is a open question to you.


The people that I "helped" through my insights, experience, experimentation, introductions to others, JV's etc etc etc.... Not all but quite a few went on to earn well into 6 and some into 7 figures over the years I messed around, learned, shared etc etc. The action they took, my contribution was I don't know... useful and something they needed at that particular time.

I saw the benefit they received from working with someone else as well as I have both from friends, other warriors, some quote unquote Guru's and REAL business tycoon's. The thing here, the point is that working with someone else can and will eliminate learning curves down to NOTHING in almost immediately. I saw the truth of this with those that worked with me or guidance that I gave over the years and those that took action on it.. soared.

Now on the other hand.

There are those that just choose to go it alone, I was one of these people too and for a long time I tiraded about don't waste your money, it is all online for free just spend some time and research, experiment and figure it out. It isn't that hard. Well, yes and no.. As you will find out if you haven't already.

Now, finally to get to my question, after I have tiraded my way to this point.

Lets assume all things being equal and you get to the same point.

If it took you 6 months to start making money learning, experimenting, testing.. All the information you need is here in this forum, you don't need to go anywhere else, you don't need to buy any products or spend any money on ebooks, wso's etc etc... But it will take you 6 months to start to earn for arguements sake 5k a month. OR insert any figure you choose but it will take 6 months to get there.

OR

If you spend some money to work with someone that knows how to get there, gone through the trials and pitfalls.. Though the information shared is nothing you can't find here for free. Though through working with this person you begin to make money pretty darn right away... Maybe it isn't exactly your X amount but close and it just builds from there, each month getting bigger...


What would you choose to do? Not spend any money and go it alone?

OR

Spend some money and get help to make the money within a few weeks?


You get to the same point.

Which would you do?

Please explain your rationale with your answer, why did you make this decision? Being broke isn't really acceptable answer but if that is the only reason, really...


Mainly I just want to understand your choice and WHY you decided it.






P.S. I am not selling anything or offering coaching, this isn't about me. I just am sharing from my personal story and understanding from BOTH sides of the question here. I have been on both and done both. I am curious as to what you would do and WHY?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Terry,

    I'd say it has a lot to do with the way that people
    prefer to learn.

    Some folks just have to experiment, to test out the
    advice and guidnace that they get from other people
    and make it fit their own way of working.

    Some people need to understand the theories and the
    working principles behind a particular strategy or tactic.

    Some of us learn by taking action, being directly involved
    in the implementation helps us to understand how things
    work.

    Yet others need to research lots of alternatives and then
    to choose the strategies and tactics most suitable to their
    specific business.

    My own preference is to learn from the people who are the
    leaders in their field, and then to adapt what I learn to suit
    my own specific needs.

    There's a huge chasm between theory and practice. It takes
    work to take what you learn in a forum or an ebook and to
    make it work in your own business.


    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      John,

      Yeah, we both know people like that. They don't believe it until they can take it a part and work it themselves.

      I had this discussion with Paul Short few years ago and we talked about examples like John Reese who is very much like this. Testing maniac.

      I highly suggest people don't take things as workable without testing first, there is a lot of misleading things especially here in the Warrior Forum. Lot of good info too but to the uninitiated who can't yet tell the B.S. from the gold... It can be difficult and sometimes costly.



      - Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    For me personally knowing what I know now...

    I would take the pay route and save the 3 years it took me to get there. Stubborn is not a good way to start a business
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Butler
    I think it's definitely worth it to buy products to help answer questions you may have, as long as you do it using common sense.

    I spent my money using my personal criteria as to what made a WSO purchase worthwhile to help minimize the learning curve and after applying all 3 products I bought in the span of 3 months I can't sleep because I had a "light bulb" moment today and I think everything just *clicked* for me... So now I am anxious to get up and go apply everything I learned in a focused effort and if I'm right I will have a formula to make a solid income
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Originally Posted by Charles Butler View Post

      I think it's definitely worth it to buy products to help answer questions you may have, as long as you do it using common sense.

      I spent my money using my personal criteria as to what made a WSO purchase worthwhile to help minimize the learning curve and after applying all 3 products I bought in the span of 3 months I can't sleep because I had a "light bulb" moment today and I think everything just *clicked* for me... So now I am anxious to get up and go apply everything I learned in a focused effort and if I'm right I will have a formula to make a solid income

      Charles YOU ROCK!


      That is awesome man. I love to hear things like this, people stepping out of themselves and taking a chance and taking action. You are on the verge of such a wild ride, it will be so much fun for you.

      Thanks for sharing your story.


      - Terry
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      • Profile picture of the author Charles Butler
        Originally Posted by Terry Crim View Post

        Charles YOU ROCK!


        That is awesome man. I love to hear things like this, people stepping out of themselves and taking a chance and taking action. You are on the verge of such a wild ride, it will be so much fun for you.

        Thanks for sharing your story.


        - Terry
        Thanks Terry, it was my pleasure sharing a little bit of my story. And you're absolutely right, after all the research and testing I've been doing I feel that things are about to change for the better soon. Here's hoping I can post a long success post like the ones I've been reading around here lately in the near future

        And to think it was just January when I started posting here knowing pretty much nothing about making money online outside of Ebay lol...

        **Incoming long post
        **

        But in regards to the topic at hand, I understand some reasons why not to buy some WSO's as the majority of them looks like they are B.S. and the majority of posts on the forum didn't fully answer my questions, so what I did was that when I really needed a detailed answer (i.e. One that I asked myself and am working on is how am I going to earn $100 a day)

        I looked through all WSO's that had a possibility of answering my question, meaning I didn't look at "here's how I made $543,234 in 32 hours" threads, and when I did find one I read the reviews as well as look at how many posts the OP had, to help me see if they may be in it to make a quick buck. If my B.S. radar didn't go off after looking over everything, I bought it and followed everything to the letter.

        This naturally led me to asking more important questions, so I spent weeks of testing, searching and asking questions on the forums looking for the answer, and if I couldn't find it then I went looking for another WSO to answer my new question.

        That's basically how I got to learn everything that I know today, by investing in myself and taking action.

        And on that note, I'll close my post with these 2 statements:

        1) I consider learning how to sell online on the warrior forum is like going to college, but instead of paying for units, you are paying for information. Avoid the bad teachers and bad classes and only take the ones that you need.

        2) You can spend money to save time, or you can spend time to save money. You can't do both. (Yes there are exceptions to this rule, but in my experience I don't think you can apply any when referring to IM, and I'm not going to argue this point if you decide to attempt point out any.)

        Wow that was a long post lol, I hope someone out there found it helpful
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Vendilli
          Originally Posted by Charles Butler View Post

          2) You can spend money to save time, or you can spend time to save money. You can't do both.
          Charles, I second Terry. You do rock dude.

          I loved this quote. I never heard this line before and it has all the makings of a great headline on one of your future info-product salespages. )

          I rarely see the candor you've exhibited throughout this thread coming from folks newer to the whole "IM" game. That's a trait & quality that's going to get you far & help separate you from the schmucks who try to jump in the game with a "been there, done that" approach when in reality, those schmucks haven't done a damn thing.

          If there's anything I can do to help you out on your journey drop me a PM. Seriously. Anything. If you hit a stumbling block or have a question you can't seem to find an answer to on this forum drop me a line... (not trying to say I have all the answers because I DEFINITELY DO NOT, just that two heads are better than one & I like helping out when I can with no expectation of any return favors... it just creates good karma)...

          So back to the topic at hand...

          I definitely would go the fastest route possible. I just don't see why anyone would want to go it alone. The trick, however, is to only invest in the information that you feel is not only the most valuable & helpful, but ALSO the type of information that you know you'll actually apply.

          Like Charles mentioned earlier in the thread, you need to create your own personal criteria for what stuff you're willing to buy...

          Then once you do commit to a product, consume it and use it...

          Here's an example of me being an idiot, very recently...

          I signed up for "The Net Effect Journal" and the accompanying "DVD of the month" several months ago through Stomper Net. I want to say I pay about $50 bucks a month for the journal & the dvd.

          I got my first couple issues, skimmed through them, and then placed them in a neat little pile on my shelf with all my other physical books, dvd's, & related IM stuff. I foresaw this pile being nice & neat & getting higher each month... I had the notion set in my head that I was creating my own little reference section in my home library for "IM" stuff and I wanted to keep the actual magazines in nice condition, so I could refer to them & keep 'em looking good on the shelf. This was my way of protecting my $50/month investment. I didn't want any bent corners or creases in my pages. I wanted 'em to stay nice & neat and every time I read my magazine I had it in my head, "don't turn the pages too fast, you might rip one, this is a $30 magazine!"

          Well, eventually, I flip open an issue, I don't even remember which one... and there was this letter from the editor about how you actually need to read this stuff and apply it... (which I was doing but not enough)... and that the power of the information isn't having read it and having it available to you for future reference... it's all about comprehending it, and then actually USING it in some real life application. The gist of the letter was encouraging the reader to not worry about bending the pages or spilling coffee on it, but making sure you read, understand, and apply the tips & articles to your business.

          That letter felt like it was written directly to me... I closed the magazine, folded it in half, totally non-typical of me... (I felt like such a rebel folding my $30 magazine in half...) I stuck that thing in my back pocket, and I took it with me when I left for my haircut so I could read it at the barber shop.

          When it was my turn to get my haircut that mug was right back in my rear pocket gettin' all tore up and mangled, and then I took it with me to my next appointment for the day... a tire rotation & unlucky me had no one to give me a ride so I could just "drop off" my vehicle so I was stuck sitting in the Goodyear lobby. I whipped my mag out of my back pocket again & went right back to reading... The greasy mechanics didn't scare me one bit... not today... you can light this magazine on fire if you want to as long as I can still read what's left on the ashes...

          Now when I get my monthly packages from Stomper Net I actually focus on learning everything that the package has to offer, rather than taking quirky measures to "preserve" the quality of everything I bought & treating it like some investment that needs to hold it's value.

          Sorry if this is starting to sound like a Stomper Net plug, because it wasn't intended that way. I'm not even an affiliate of theirs... all I'm trying to say, in a nutshell, is that all the best information in the world is totally worthless if you bought it just so you can say, "well now I have it & I can look at it whenever I want... I'm just going to sit it here on the shelf so I can get to it when I'm ready..." or "so, THAT's how they do it... now I know..." like buying info products because it's just some way of satisfying your curiosity.

          Use the stuff!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Coming from a very practical way of thinking, for me...it's bottom line...being
      able to provide for my family. That has to be my top priority.

      So, if there is a way I can do that quicker, that is the route I will take.

      Unfortunately, when I started, over 6 years ago, I didn't know where to go
      for help, so I had no choice but to go it alone. It was pure hell.

      I would never go that route again if I had it to do all over again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Coming from a very practical way of thinking, for me...it's bottom line...being
        able to provide for my family. That has to be my top priority.

        So, if there is a way I can do that quicker, that is the route I will take.

        Unfortunately, when I started, over 6 years ago, I didn't know where to go
        for help, so I had no choice but to go it alone. It was pure hell.

        I would never go that route again if I had it to do all over again.

        Yeah, I know when I started I looked to others that where doing good online.

        Terry Dean, Wiley, Paul Myers, Allen Says, Marlon Sanders, Ken Evoy, Tony Blake, quite a few others... I just followed what they did and learned. But for the most part I just stayed to myself and figured things out as I went. Like what you did.

        When I started Networking that is when it all started though. I learned that I knew stuff others found valuable and I ended up working with them to build up their hobbies and businesses. That is pretty much where I stayed though, working with others behind scenes. Didn't really come out until I started participating publicly on warrior forum.

        I hear ya man, I know how it goes. Believe me.


        - Terry
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      • Profile picture of the author Jasim
        Interesting post and I agree with most of what has already be said, I too have done both and believe you have to find the most comfortable way for you as an individual. I have had the light bulb moment just this past week with a WSO I purchased and excited for the pieces to finally fit together after a lot of hard work. Some people need support and guidance while others like to get in there with their own hands to experiment with it. Also it would depend on your financial situtation and how much time you have to donate to building a new business as well as the urgency or need for income. A growing concern in our current financial times.
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      • Profile picture of the author Charles Butler
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Coming from a very practical way of thinking, for me...it's bottom line...being
        able to provide for my family. That has to be my top priority.

        So, if there is a way I can do that quicker, that is the route I will take.

        Unfortunately, when I started, over 6 years ago, I didn't know where to go
        for help, so I had no choice but to go it alone. It was pure hell.

        I would never go that route again if I had it to do all over again.
        Hi Steve! I've been reading your posts here and there since I've joined and I must say that I'm a fan

        On a philosophical note, imho you shouldn't say that you wouldn't do it all over again because it's those times that made you who you are today; I personally consider the rough times A "trial by fire" if you will. I'm going through mine as I type - I'm sure I don't need to say that most people here know that it's no cakewalk working all hours of the day to get to turn your dreams into reality lol

        But I think of it this way: What turns a lump of coal into a diamond? Heat and pressure! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
    Charles,

    I tweeted you... I feel great things are coming your way. Keep it up man, you Rock!


    - Terry
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Butler
      Originally Posted by Terry Crim View Post

      Charles,

      I tweeted you... I feel great things are coming your way. Keep it up man, you Rock!


      - Terry
      I need to update my Twitter account, when I created it I didn't really have anything to tweet lol but it looks like thats starting to change as well :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
    1) Its FREE (There is so much GOOD FREE INFO here and on the www)
    2) I love doing stuff myself

    3) All these so called GURU's asking for money for their Special program with "Limited spots" gets really old. Not to mention if they are as rich as they claim seriously why bother going to all this effort to get coach people? Its probably mainly because thats exactly how they make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Originally Posted by Kitejunkiee View Post

      1) Its FREE (There is so much GOOD FREE INFO here and on the www)
      2) I love doing stuff myself

      3) All these so called GURU's asking for money for their Special program with "Limited spots" gets really old. Not to mention if they are as rich as they claim seriously why bother going to all this effort to get coach people? Its probably mainly because thats exactly how they make money.

      I understand what you are saying. There is a lot of skepticism and cynicism about people reportedly doing well in IM. There is a lot of well, lets just say exaggerations in this field. I know quite a few things about many of the "Guru's" and the behind scenes in the rumor mill. Somethings are founded others are just false, sometimes it blurs a little.

      I don't really pay that much attention to it anymore because it really doesn't do anything for me one way or the other, sometimes there can be a negative impact if you get too caught up in it.

      Yeah, those that charge for their coaching do make money from it and if they set up the deal right they can make A LOT of money. Though I can guarantee you that the coaching, as much as one can make from it, is NOT their only gig. You can't spend all your time Coaching people, you would go nuts.

      It is very easy to turn it into a J.O.B. and most people especially the Guru's do not want to be held to one thing. You can outsource and that helps, but you have to train them yourself.

      The motivation for the most part is trully to give back, why horde the knowledge? Not everyone is black hat about how they operate.

      Though that topic goes beyond this thread. I do understand your point of view.


      Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.


      - Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven W Johnson
    Oh, I just HAVE to jump into THIS one, having been (in no particular order)

    a. a BIG Steven Wagenheim fan and customer

    b. something of a "guru dev" myself, having co-developed the very first site/project of one Russell Brunson

    c. having now become a big fan of one T. Crim

    Two perspectives on the posed question:

    1. People MAKE EXCUSES for not investing in themselves, their personal dev, and their business. It's a very easy behavior to adopt. And then? What they do? THEY MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE EXCUSE!!

    Some do NOT. Last I checked Russell had amassed some 100,000 dollars worth of (as some say) IM crap. Boy, did he get ripped off, right? Go look at his DAY RATE: 30k

    Hmmm...maybe NOT such a bad investment after all

    2. I met a guy who admitted IN PUBLIC to spending over 50 large on the gurus/savants/self-improvement boyz...you know, the Anthony Robbins, the Jay Abrahams, the Michael Fortins, the Robert Kiyosaki's of the world? And what had he DONE with all this (useless) expenditure over the years? He's a multi-millionaire, of course.

    Personally, I'm a SERIAL consumer of everything I can get my hands on, no matter how...

    I believe you have to do BOTH - consume large quantities of knowledge, and take MASSIVE ACTION based on the knowledge you consume. No other way makes sense to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven W Johnson
    Alright Wag, where's your twitter link? Don't make me hunt you down! hahaha
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Steven W Johnson View Post

      Alright Wag, where's your twitter link? Don't make me hunt you down! hahaha
      Steven, just for you (because you asked) I filled out my Twitter profile.

      But why anybody would want to follow me is beyond my comprehension.

      All I ever do is tell people that I've just updated my blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author writergirlk
      I can tell you how I learned and am still learning. I did a fairly typical thing as a lot of beginners where I tried to absorb everything I could get my hands on, free or otherwise. I bought A LOT of products and I read them all. I looked at A LOT of methods and thought about it all the time.

      I was thinking about this the other day and I have NEVER taken a "method" through to the end, to my own detriment. Progress has been slow. It seems as if I was too focused on absorbing information that others have provided. In the end, my own technique that works will be a conglomeration of all of these.

      I should have taken action sooner. I needed to stop reading the information after about the first month or so. This same thing happened when I first started my writing career. I now tell newbie writers to not worry so much about gathering the information but to get started ASAP. I didn't take my own advice. I think starting is the most important bit because I really believe that you have to learn from your mistakes and successes to get a handle on how to start the business.

      If I were to start over I would choose one method. One. From the forum, from a product - doesn't matter - and take it through to the end - to the point where I start to see progress - before either trying something else or building on that one thing. So I am pretending that I am a newbie now and doing just that. I could have saved myself two years of minimal progress if I did this from the beginning.

      And I am sure someone told me this. In fact, I know they did - several people in fact. Guess that's one mistake I had to make in my own journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author hotlinkz
    I transitioned from "bulletin board systems" (BBS) to the World Wide Web (WWW) waaaay back when. The problem has always been the same...

    The free information is out there, but relatively few will take the time to research it, separate the wheat from the chaff and actually take action.

    Back then, you did not have much choice...there were very few gurus. The leaders that did emerge were the big BBS operators but they went mostly into the adult industry.

    I would definitely recommend that anyone new to this do some research, latch on to a good mentor, FOCUS and learn all they can.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven W Johnson
      Hey Hotlinkz,

      Oooh, a SysOp AND a Gislason/Hodgkinson fan? Cool! What BBS platform? I ran a 74-line Galacticomm Major BBS (Worldgroup) Server in the mid-nineties - 10,000 screaming fans! hahaha
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