Using the F bomb in my headline

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I'm about to start working on a new site, in a very "crowded" niche where one of my biggest challenges is going to be to get peoples' attention and stand out from the crowd.

I'm going to test it either way, but I'm curious what people think about using curse words in copywriting?

Specifically, I came up with an incredibly pithy 5-word headline that has the F-bomb on it.

Assuming that it will cause pretty much every one of my target prospects to stop and pay attention to what I'm saying - at least long enough to read my subheadlines, etc - do you think I'll gain more than I'll "lose" by anyone so offended that they turn around and leave?

Obviously the audience matters, but in my case the demographics of my prospects are all over the board - young and old, male and female, educated and uneducated, etc.

I'm guessing this landing page will get the best opt-in rate I've ever seen, but only testing will tell. What do you think?

I'm also going to test using things like "freaking", "freakin'" and "f-ing". I think maybe something like "f-ing" will have pretty much the same power without being quite as "offensive" to some people?
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    I would be curious to see the results of your tests.

    IMO it's a bad idea. Especially with an "all over the board" demographic.

    If your prospects were drug addled, porn addicts with no self esteem...then maybe.
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    • Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

      If your prospects were drug addled, porn addicts with no self esteem...then maybe.
      LOL! Seriously though, if you decide to give it a go please share your results. In my case though using that kind of language is a complete no-go.
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  • Profile picture of the author MYDCOM
    I would like to see the test results on this experiment. Who knows ... you might be onto something big here and every marketer will start cursing in their ad headlines!

    I know for sure google/bing will never allow this type of marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
    Maybe it's just because people are more laid back in San Diego where I live, but a lot of people swear on occasion when amongst friends. Not necessarily the f-bomb, but even that isn't "out of bounds" on rare occasions when someone is really trying to express themselves.

    Is it just the f-bomb you think is too much, or swearing in general?

    Aside from maybe deeply religious, really old, or just extremely prudish people, many people say "shit", "asshole" etc. in daily conversion when amongst friends and even just acquaintances, and most certainly aren't offended when someone else does, even if they themselves don't.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      My own personal opinion . . . it's a total turn-off! I would click away in a heartbeat.

      How you write (and speak) says a lot about you (and ultimately your product or offer). Conversions come after trust and, to me at least, poor language, swearing, cursing, etc doesn't lead to trust.

      Call me old fashioned but I believe your headline will negatively affect a lot of people and definitely offend probably more than you think.

      Of course, testing is the answer. But I think the "gains" you get from the shock value will be more than offset by the losses you'll experience.

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      • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
        Do it, everybody swears but nobody has the nuts to use it in marketing.

        ******* DO IT!
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by dsiomtw View Post

      Maybe it's just because people are more laid back in San Diego where I live, but a lot of people swear on occasion when amongst friends. Not necessarily the f-bomb, but even that isn't "out of bounds" on rare occasions when someone is really trying to express themselves.

      Is it just the f-bomb you think is too much, or swearing in general?

      Aside from maybe deeply religious, really old, or just extremely prudish people, many people say "shit", "asshole" etc. in daily conversion when amongst friends and even just acquaintances, and most certainly aren't offended when someone else does, even if they themselves don't.
      There's a difference between conversation among friends and conversation with customers/potential customers. Do you think it would be a good idea to drop the F-bomb and other forms of profanity during a job interview? After all, folks talk that way with their friends, right?

      The correct answer is to test it. But let me give you folks a little thought experiment. How many times have you or someone you know said "You know, I was going to buy, but he didn't use enough profanity, so I'm going to have to pass"?
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    I think it's a bad idea. Using 'f**k in an article may pass, but as a headline with just a few words - it seems desperate and unprofessional to me. Can you replace the "f" word with "damn?" I swear all the time when speaking to my friends and family, but to a person I don't know - very rarely, and only when I feel it is necessary to get my point across on a particular issue.. It may come across as immature and give the impression you have NOT got another persons best interests at heart.

    Selling, is a serious business. You have to have some sort of professionalism when marketing to people you have never met.

    Just my opinion though.

    Cursing can work on some levels. The most popular post on my personal development website was one where I cursed all the way through the article. It worked well because my goal was to get people to take action on the things holding them back in life. I came across as a person who was passionate about the subject (which I am) and the message got the point across without sounding rude or offensive. That's the key here. If your goal is to shock people just for the sake of it, then It may come across as unprofessional.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by dsiomtw View Post

    I'm curious what people think about using curse words in copywriting?
    There's a wide range of opinion about it, including some extreme opinions..

    Which sounds like a pretty good reason for avoiding it, most of the time, doesn't it?

    (If still thinking about it, you might want to check your hosting company's TOS on this point, as well: it would be a shame to have a site taken down over it ...).
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Jerrett
    In the UK we have a clothing store called the French Connection. You see people walking around all the time with FCUK T-shirts, which have FCUK written in big letters on them and nobody batts an eye, totally non-offensive.

    We also had a highly popular tv show called Father Ted, I don't know if you have seen it. But they popularised the word Feck. As a swear word, again totally non-offensive.

    But in both cases we knew what they both really meant, but there was no actual swearing. Perhaps you could put a twist on your headline in some way so that everybody knows what you mean, but nobody is offended.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Chris Jerrett View Post

      In the UK we have a clothing store called the French Connection. You see people walking around all the time with FCUK T-shirts, which have FCUK written in big letters on them and nobody batts an eye, totally non-offensive.
      Apart from the case before the Advertising Standards Authority and the litigation over that, you mean, presumably?!

      I'm not criticising them: they're a huge company with deep pockets, and they got the publicity they wanted out of it, after all. But to portray it as "totally non-offensive", after what happened, is just unreal ... huge numbers of people were offended and said so very publicly indeed. FC had already decided (probably rightly?) that those people weren't their potential customers anyway, but were fully aware how many people were offended. This situation may be rather different.
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    Answer : Test it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
    In this market you probably lose 90% of your visitors in a matter of seconds if you don't do something drastic to hold their attention. I imagine the number of people that would be so offended by seeing the f-word that they would instantly leave without being curious what comes next is a heckuva lot less than 90% ...

    Can't wait to test it!

    To whoever said check your host, that's crazy. If your host would shut down your site because you said the f-word you need a new host. That's just f-ing ridiculous and no legit host would do that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by dsiomtw View Post

      In this market you probably lose 90% of your visitors in a matter of seconds if you don't do something drastic to hold their attention. I imagine the number of people that would be so offended by seeing the f-word that they would instantly leave without being curious what comes next is a heckuva lot less than 90% ...
      What you're really saying is that you want to stand out by doing the same thing as everyone else.

      Does that really make sense?

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  • Profile picture of the author eb219
    Best bet if you're going to use them? Always place the words in a humorous context and not a serious one. That way it doesn't come off as unprofessional and desperate (as another poster mentioned).

    Also, since you're NOT ranking the curse word, why spell it out? Use the typical #*$& symbols instead and stay PG13
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  • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
    Yep, will be testing all versions. I think maybe freakin' might have almost the same stopping power while being much less "offensive" to some ...
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  • Profile picture of the author knight
    Agreed, freakin is less offensive but if possible try to leave out this type of shock factor.. it says a lot about someone who may use it.. lack of communication skills etc.. it's rather like someone who uses foul language or profanities in everyday speech, practically every other word, it shows a lack of imagination or word power.
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    • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
      Originally Posted by knight View Post

      Agreed, freakin is less offensive but if possible try to leave out this type of shock factor.. it says a lot about someone who may use it.. lack of communication skills etc..
      But what if that's the whole point? The person who said the quote in mind is not some super educated professional marketer ... he is just a normal every day person, like most who swear on occasion to one degree or another.

      Don't get me wrong - this wasn't just some everyday thing like "hey man let's f'ing go to McDonalds". This was a "shocking" event that took place, and the f-bomb was pretty appropriate.

      I'm sure some of you disagree, but I think that the right swear word, used at the right time, is often extremely funny - and could possibly be extremely effective in marketing.

      I appreciate everyone's replies. I'm surprised at the number of people who are so strongly against the idea. Thankfully you people aren't the target prospects. I hope my tests prove you wrong!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Aren't you really doing a mini test here on the forum? If you're surprised at all the people telling you they wouldn't do it, then you're going to be surprised at the lack of results you're probably going to get when you do it.

        People here are experienced marketers and are honestly trying to help you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    If you have to resort to an F-bomb to get attention, then you're doing something wrong.

    You claim that people have to do "drastic" things to get attention in your niche, so why not be creative and do something that is drastic, but doesn't resort to swearing to get noticed.

    Personally, swearing tells me that the person is either lazy in their thinking, or purposely going for shock value; neither of those things would be appealing to me as a customer.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      A lot of excellent points have been made.

      I know the OP is going to do what he wants to do, but I thought I'd offer some points anyway:

      As others have said, test. Only testing will tell you if it's worth doing. There can be situations where swearing can be done. It depends on the business, marketing campaign, product/service being sold and audience. The best situation I can think of would be if you had a "character" or mascot doing the talking and he swore. (A pirate-type of character for example.)

      BUT even if it's profitable, there are other considerations. Like your long-term reputation for one. Do you really want to be known as the guy who swears in his marketing? Swearing might give you a profitable campaign or two, but possibly at the expense of long-term profitability -- or even at the expense of a better, higher-class of customer.

      Time-tested rules of business like not talking about politics or religion, and not swearing are rules for a reason.

      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Personally, swearing tells me that the person is either lazy in their thinking, or purposely going for shock value; neither of those things would be appealing to me as a customer.
      Exactly what I was thinking! I heard somewhere (from a teacher or copywriter or some such type), that swearing was a sign of laziness and lack of imagination and education. A well-educated person with a good vocabulary has no need of profanity and is able to shock and get even more attention than someone who used profanity.

      As Michael said further down in the thread, swearing is so ubiquitous that you're really just like everyone else and don't really stand out. Since "everyone does it" (or at least, it's done so often), you really don't have as much of an advantage as you think.

      To me, using the "F bomb" is simply signals a lack of class and dignity -- and respect for me as your customer.

      But hey... If you're selling beer to drunks at a rowdy football game, maybe class and dignity isn't a consideration.

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  • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
    ^^^^ No not at all. The people responding to this post are nothing like my target prospects on this project. While what my prospects think is really all that maters, I was just curious what other warriors thought too.
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    • Profile picture of the author super roach
      I don't think the homosexual community would appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tac88
    I definitely do not think that Google and the rest of the search engines are going to like it and not sure if they will index it. Hey you never know unless you try Right!
    Keep us posted how it works out ....
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Personally, I would never use any vulgar or offensive language in my business ever!

      Also, personally, I would never be a client/customer of any business that did, as they would lose my respect almost instantly.

      And there you have my humble opinion, since you asked...

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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
    Unless you're marketing to 4th graders who think swearing is "cool", then I don't see how the upside could possibly outweigh the downside.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Raybould
    Test it.

    Everybody is going to have their own
    opinion about swearing in copy, and
    that's fine - but the only way to know
    if it's worthwhile is to test it.

    I've written million dollar salesletters
    with the words "piss" and "shit" in them,
    but I've never used the F word. Not
    because I was afraid to, just because it
    didn't seem necessary.

    Test it for sure, but I'm pretty sure using
    a curse word in your headline isn't going to
    be a make-or-break factor.

    The real question is about the crowded nature
    of your niche. Competition is great, nothing to
    shy away from, but if the only way you're
    differentiating yourself is by swearing, my friend,
    you are going to get eaten alive.

    Every aspect of your business needs to show
    that you're different - simply swearing probably
    won't do that.

    The other question is about the prospects
    themselves. Do you really think they're familliar
    with the marketing and salespages of all your
    competitors? Familiar enough for a curse word
    in your headline to make you stand out?

    I must admit, I find it unlikely. I think your
    strategy here is a little off.

    Good luck with it though.

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  • Profile picture of the author picnic
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    it's a turnoff to some people, but some IMers I've read from their blogs says go for it if that's your thing, because sometimes controversy works
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  • Profile picture of the author Cesar Sampaio
    If you started swearing from the get go with that being a part of your real or online persona it wouldn't be a problem. But start doing it out of the blue when you previously didn't can be risky.

    It certainly will get people's attention but I am doubtful of any positive result.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    I disagree completely with the notion that you
    should test it. My guess is there are any number
    of stupid and offensive things that would test out
    perfectly good but I still wouldn't do them for something
    as mundane as making buck.

    Pride and professionalism still count for something.
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  • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
    It's good to stand out and think outside the box, HOWEVER - you could turn off a lot of people to taking your seriously. Here's why I say that... Whenever I'm about to do something, I always say how would it make me feel, or if I had to have my mom read it, would she approve? When I visit a website with foul language, I immediately leave it when it comes to the marketing profession, some sites are perfect for this but in my opinion you'll do more harm than good. Toning it down to less offensive language would be better
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Harris
      I understand as marketers we need to "think outside the box"
      to differentiate ourselves from our competitors..

      But as a father of an eight year old, (who regularly uses the F-bomb in different contexts, away from my child)..

      I wouldn't appreciate him coming to me and asking what your headline meant if he some how stumbled on to your page..
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      • Profile picture of the author JMcGee2010
        Anytime, I am going to test something, regardless of the niche, I always ask myself, how this might affect any future campaigns etc.

        I don't wanted to be "typecast" as the internet marketer who did this or that.

        Additionally, you said that your demographics are very spread out. While some might be attracted by this, others are definitely not going to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert_Rand
    Getting attention and getting someone to take a desired action
    are two completely different things.

    How many successful headlines can you think of without the
    F word? How many can you think of with it?

    I know you've been here since 2007 but it sounds like you
    still need to educate yourself on sales. Your proposed headline
    is the equivalent of a salesperson wearing flashy and gaudy
    clothing.

    The sure sign of an amateur, and weak sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I am way too old school to give an opinion that would not be biased but .. I will anyway.

    Being from the deep south .. I have been taught there are some things you do not do. I am one of those people, so out of touch with reality, that I still believe you do not use fowl language in the presence of a lady.

    I believe if your waiter ask you if you need more to drink you say "please" if you do or "no thank you" if you don't. Excuse me ladies if this offends you but if you say something to me that requires a positive answer, I still say yes mam.

    You have one chance at a first impression. A respectful, servant attitude will pay more dividends than "look at me."

    I personally would not test it or would I use it if I knew for sure it would double profits.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      While I agree with Troy, (American by birth, Southern by choice, in my case), I have a practical question for you to ponder...

      You know you'll offend some percentage of your visitors enough to leave without reading past that F-bomb. Will the others, the ones who think nothing of it, really stand up and pay attention when you use a word they use every day? Will it be effective enough to make up for the people you lose forever?

      When Lenny Bruce worked blue, it had shock value. When I hear a stand-up comic rely on his selection of four-letter words now, I just question whether he has any jokes, or if this is the best he can do. When copywriters rely on F-bombs and other vulgarities to get attention, I question their skill and market knowledge.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        I agree with the others who say it's a bad idea, and to not even test it.

        If you need to use vulgarity to get people's attention, then I'd say you seriously lack in creativity. While profanity is acceptable in certain social circles in casual conversation, it is still generally regarded as unprofessional and crass. Sure, you'll get people's attention - and a significant number will immediately click away because it will turn them off. It's not that all of them will see it as "offensive" (some will), but many will regard it as unprofessional. And unprofessionalism will undermine your credibility with many.

        The marketers I've seen use frequent profanity in their videos and sales copy always strike me as unprofessional, lazy, and most of all, people who think they're being oh, so cool, when in fact, that's not how they come across (at least not in my opinion).

        Do what you like, but I think it's risky in so many ways (as many have already pointed out above).
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        While I agree with Troy, (American by birth, Southern by choice, in my case), I have a practical question for you to ponder...

        You know you'll offend some percentage of your visitors enough to leave without reading past that F-bomb. Will the others, the ones who think nothing of it, really stand up and pay attention when you use a word they use every day? Will it be effective enough to make up for the people you lose forever?

        When Lenny Bruce worked blue, it had shock value. When I hear a stand-up comic rely on his selection of four-letter words now, I just question whether he has any jokes, or if this is the best he can do. When copywriters rely on F-bombs and other vulgarities to get attention, I question their skill and market knowledge.
        FINALLY! Someone is asking the right questions. There is a huge difference between shocking your reader and getting their attention.

        You said you have a Pithy headline. So? Why will that cause your reader to want to read the rest of your copy?

        It isn't that swearing is bad. It isn't even if swearing is shocking. It's whether saying "F#$K" will increase the readers desire to read more.

        How does swearing make the headline apply more to them?
        How does swearing make them feel like they are about to hear a huge benefit?
        How does swearing make them want to buy?
        And how does swearing make the headline more appealing?

        Catchy, Pithy headlines simply aren't the approach that makes people want to hear what you have to say. Imagine replacing the word "F*&K" with the word "FREE". Which would make your reader want to read more?

        Being clever makes for a fun movie. It makes for witty conversation. But it doesn't sell. Why? Because while the reader is thinking "WOW! What a clever man this is to write so provocatively" they are NOT thinking "WOW! This sure has something to do with me and what I want"

        See? I don't know your headline. Maybe the swearing is the part that makes it work. Maybe your headline is already good copy, and it's pithy.....

        But that's not the way I would bet. Good luck.

        I don't know your audience. Maybe saying "F*&K" is considered "Insider".
        Maybe you are rebelling against something in the headline. I suppose it's possible that swearing would have a use.

        Pissing off 50% of your readers isn't a bad thing, as long as, at the same time, you are causing the other 50% to be fascinated with what you are about to say. Howard Stern can do it Rush Limbaugh does it.
        Declaring an enemy will do it.

        I've never seen swearing do it. But again, I don't know the point of your headline. If it's to attract average buyers. I wouldn't do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      I am way too old school to give an opinion that would not be biased but .. I will anyway.

      Being from the deep south .. I have been taught there are some things you do not do. I am one of those people, so out of touch with reality, that I still believe you do not use fowl language in the presence of a lady.

      I believe if your waiter ask you if you need more to drink you say "please" if you do or "no thank you" if you don't. Excuse me ladies if this offends you but if you say something to me that requires a positive answer, I still say yes mam...
      There's the Troy I know, always such a gentleman!

      But, I'm a Yankee and expect the behavior you just described. I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above, as well as live by those same rules.

      So is it an "old school" thing or am I just a yank with deep south tendencies?

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        There's the Troy I know, always such a gentleman!

        But, I'm a Yankee and expect the behavior you just described. I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above, as well as live by those same rules.

        So is it an "old school" thing or am I just a yank with deep south tendencies?

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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        There's the Troy I know, always such a gentleman!

        But, I'm a Yankee and expect the behavior you just described. I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above, as well as live by those same rules.

        So is it an "old school" thing or am I just a yank with deep south tendencies?

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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

          Unless you are standing exactly on the south pole .. everyone is south of somewhere.
          I'll take it!

          It's kind of funny, but a lot of people say I remind them of a southern belle.

          Now I can tell them I am. :p

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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by dsiomtw View Post

    I'm about to start working on a new site, in a very "crowded" niche where one of my biggest challenges is going to be to get peoples' attention and stand out from the crowd.
    If it's a brand new site, I would have thought your first challenge is getting enough visitors to your sales page. Profanity in a heading would probably rule out an Adwords or any SEO-based campaign. And if you're planning on using third party lists, you'd better be upfront with the list owners about what you're sending their subscribers to.

    If you're going to be mining your own existing prospect base, will they be surprised by such a wording or would they be used to that kind of talk from your other communications?

    It's all very well saying test it, but if it bombs, you'd be unlikely to get a second chance with that particular traffic source.


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  • Profile picture of the author michaelplies
    i think it can attract lots of controversy which will result in lots of traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by michaelplies View Post

      i think it can attract lots of controversy which will result in lots of traffic.
      Do you think all publicity is good publicity?
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  • Profile picture of the author MattStevens
    I wont enter the debate as to whether you should or should not do it. Sounds like you are regardless.

    With that said...my only advice is that you should make sure you pay off the subject line as fast as possible...

    Meaning...JUSTIFY QUICKLY why you used it. Take the sting away from the shock of the F-word immediately and get them into your sales pitch.
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  • Profile picture of the author CalinDan
    This should be interesting!

    Controversy is not all that bad sometimes.

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author samjaynz
    If your demographics are "all over the board" I wouldn't recommend it. Remember that a lot of people still find swearing and profanity highly inappropriate (not to mention unprofessional) and might not take kindly to its use.

    That being said, if you know that people in your demographic like to swear like troopers, then there would be absolutely no reason to avoid it!

    Basically, what I'm saying is that this is a question of demographic.

    If the glove fits...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Interesting how often people ask what others think - and then defend their original idea rather than consider the opinions posted. If this what you want to do - do it.

      Obviously the audience matters, but in my case the demographics of my prospects are all over the board - young and old, male and female, educated and uneducated, etc.

      I'm guessing this landing page will get the best opt-in rate I've ever seen
      I'm guessing in a wide demographic - that page will fail big time. To me it says "I don't have anything else" as profanity doesn't take skill or education or salesmanship.

      In a crowded niche, you need to stand out as a business - not as someone screaming "look at me". For some niches, it might work...but may not be the best way to enter a new niche.

      Your mind is made up - but be sure to split test this approach with a decently written, professional page.

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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Interesting how often people ask what others think - and then defend their original idea rather than consider the opinions posted. If this what you want to do - do it.



        I'm guessing in a wide demographic - that page will fail big time. To me it says "I don't have anything else" as profanity doesn't take skill or education or salesmanship.

        In a crowded niche, you need to stand out as a business - not as someone screaming "look at me". For some niches, it might work...but may not be the best way to enter a new niche.

        Your mind is made up - but be sure to split test this approach with a decently written, professional page.

        kay
        With the demographics as wide as the op states I doubt very seriously if there is enough marketing skills there for a proper test. Ouch .. did I say that?

        Honestly demographics is never that wide. There is always a top group and then a descending order. Each of those groups should be marketed to in a manner consistent with their needs and gathered up into their own little group.

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    I think it'd be ******* awesome.
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    • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
      Having spent most of my adult life in and around the construction industry, even the most vulgar of men ( and sometimes women) have the good common sense to talk with respect and consideration for others when necessary.
      As I have tried to teach my kids, use appropriate language for the appropriate environment you are in.
      As a newcomer in your niche, consider the consequences to being perceived as an "F-BOMBER".
      Imho, it lacks creativity and far too commonly used for the potential "shock" value your seeking.
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      • Profile picture of the author Irish Intuition
        haha... are we having this discussion? I don't give a f-ck what
        the demographic is, you don't throw around that word.

        See how that word sorta poisons that sentence. It does not add
        to it, it distracts.

        Instead of going over the top, perhaps a very familiar alternative is
        a possible choice-

        WTF
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Irish Intuition View Post

          haha... are we having this discussion? I don't give a f-ck what
          the demographic is, you don't throw around that word.

          See how that word sorta poisons that sentence. It does not add
          to it, it distracts.

          Instead of going over the top, perhaps a very familiar alternative is
          a possible choice-

          WTF
          Yeah, it distracts in leading me to think in my mind that this person has no creativity, intelligence, business sense or class. They've lost me in so many ways.

          Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        There's a huge difference between saying the word in conversation and having a censored version of the word included in your sales copy.

        Is it appropriate to include such words in your sales copy?

        That totally depends upon what you are selling and who you are targetting.

        I know for a tested fact that I can move more training equipment to powerlifters if my sales copy is aggressive and that's the only way I'll have it. I've shifted stacks of t-shirts with simple slogans with the F word included which otherwise would hold zero value without it.

        Controversy sells. It just needs to be apt to the audience.

        On a moralistic note, if those other people have problems with such words then it's their own fault for placing a taboo upon them. Just ensure they aren't in the scope of your target market and ensure those words are permitted wherever you want to advertise.
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      • Profile picture of the author aprilm
        I'm not a cursor, maybe in my head when I get frustrated, but I never swear in my day to day conversation. But your thread caught my attention because the other night I had a dream that I wrote a book and titled it:

        "Get The F** Outta My Way!....And Other Short Phrases You Can Yell Out Your Window At People Who Hog The Road."

        I literally woke up laughing out loud.

        For a split second I actually considered it.
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      • I would rather avoid as you would probably get some atention but it would be wrong kind of attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author vjackson
    I for one like this idea of this. Cant wait to see the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
    When my kids were young I gave them this advice to help them make their own decisions:

    "If you can't come home and tell me that you've done it - then don't do it!"

    So, my advice to the OP would be - if you can't tell your Mum what you've written - don't write it.

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  • Profile picture of the author SJJPFTW
    Make sure you post your results back here.

    I predict you will probably get a really good amount of leads but they will be harder to convert. Please note I have NOTHING to back that up, its just my guess :-)

    Over here in Aussie land I read in the news paper two articles about the fight and eventual approval of a trademark for Nutting Futs, a brand of Nuts.

    'Nuckin Futs' gets the green light from Australians | News.com.au

    I don't pay attention to nut brands (aside form Nibble Nobbies Nuts :-) ) but this one certainly stuck in my head.

    I think the F bomb has great potential but you got to make sure it suits your market. I wouldn't go pursing a fortune 500 boardroom with it as the lead off in my slides.

    Good luck and like I said please please PLEASE post your results.
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  • I think that using profanity in a heading could do more damage than good.

    I can understand the use of it in some contexts....

    "My money making secret will blow your ######## mind, but I think freakin' would work just as well".

    I can remember being really put off once by a salesguy that got a little too familiar and starting slipping the occassional bit of bad language into the conversation.

    I wasnt put off because i'm against cursing, I was put off because I expected the sales guy to be professional.

    There is definitely a line and if that line's crossed, you may suffer badly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    I think it displays a lack of intelligence and creativity.

    Then again, its not my reputation, income or business at stake so do what you wish.

    But the fact you even asked about it shows you already think its a bad idea, you're just looking for a justification.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    It would prevent me from going any further ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackson Tan
    I could go to the extend in using the F word but I did use "Damn it" in my headline.. was alright.. Since you list is all over the board.. I dont think it is a good idea.. but ended up hurting your reputation.. You catches their attention but in a negative way? Not good for building a relationship yea?

    my 2 cents~
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    You can get capture lot of attention from your visitors to read but it might bring opposite effect in SEO which they might found lot of bad keywords with your article and product which sound like bad review for them before study more on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    My father was a builder. In that business everyone swore. Saturday mornings I would go with him to the builders' trade store to buy supplies. The air was blue. Some of the guys used more swear words in each sentence than regular ones. It was like a competition to see who could use the f word the most.

    And yet my dad never once swore. He was as rough and ready as anyone else, but when he spoke the other guys listened.

    I remember asking him once why he didn't swear like everyone else. His answer has stayed with me all my life: "I don't need to."
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  • Profile picture of the author Akibahoward
    WOW - DEEP.
    I LOVE this discussion! So let me chime in here and pose this, because I read plenty of reasons NOT to, and the grey areas where it COULD be possible.

    Here's a potential use I'm considering -

    Niche - adults seeking loan modification information
    Headline - How To Tell The Bank To F Off.

    Now I am ONLY using the letter F, without the asterisks and all. So, it's more of a subliminal reading thing rather than an outright in your face thing.

    Is this the SAME, or;

    1. Is this a demographic AND a topic that could touch a heart string.
    2. Is the use of this 'symbolic' representation OF the word different than the WHOLE word?

    Thank ya'll.....(special for MissTerraK...lol)
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Akibahoward View Post

      Niche - adults seeking loan modification information
      Headline - How To Tell The Bank To F Off.
      Actually I might change the headline to "You Will Finally Get To Tell Your Bank To F Off!" That really personalizes it, and pulls you into the copy.

      I now see why you want to use the F word. Really. It fits your headline.
      But I still would change it to something like "Bug off" or "Go Take A Leap".
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      • Profile picture of the author Akibahoward
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Actually I might change the headline to "You Will Finally Get To Tell Your Bank To F Off!" That really personalizes it, and pulls you into the copy.

        I now see why you want to use the F word. Really. It fits your headline.
        But I still would change it to something like "Bug off" or "Go Take A Leap".
        thank you for that. Yo're right, that small switch DOES make a huge difference. I can't wait to post results....
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        • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
          just look at the reactions in this thread

          the mere mention of should I use the f word has brought you all sort of attention that you would not have got if you didn't mention the f word

          i'd do it...but make it fit, don't just stuff it in there
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  • Profile picture of the author centurion81
    Originally Posted by Jackson Tan View Post

    I could go to the extend in using the F word but I did use "Damn it" in my headline.. was alright..
    Damn it is one thing, the F-bomb is a totally different level of offense...

    it would be a total turn-off for me.

    It's one thing to talk like that with friends, but in a business sense it's totally unprofessional no matter how you cut it. Grabbing attention can be done in a much smarter way then that.

    Ryan Lee likes to drop f-bombs, but that's only with his existing customers...once they know Ryan. The exterior is a different story...

    I can't see myself ever using it in a headline.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamiebarclay
    Do it! Do it! Do it! I want to see what your results are

    No Seriously, it all depends on your target audience.

    Tony Robbins swears in his live sessions to emphasis an important point. He does it infrequently but when he does do it, it works.

    I have never seen anybody use swear words in a headline so I agree with the other warriors you have to test.

    I look forward to hearing your results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by jamiebarclay View Post


      Tony Robbins swears in his live sessions to emphasis an important point. He does it infrequently but when he does do it, it works.
      Paul McKenna does too (UK based NLP / Hypnotist) in his range of books.

      Used in the same way comedians use the words for impact.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I've used it in a post - my blog is new but I'll be interested to see if it works.

    Splork is the master at using bad language for good effect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Akibahoward
    Yea, I would have to say I agree with Wraith to a great degree. It has certainly done one of the things that old school marketing was all about, and it still is important, just not to the same SHOCK value.

    It used to be that shock was a great way to create the awe that led to clicks INTO emails (the only way to really get messages and sales). Nowdays its much better to be sincere with your offer. Yes, still using processes like AIDA are crucial, but, well, I'll give you an example of what I mean.

    I am getting emails from a guy now, who (and forgive me if you are reading this...but uh...) has headlines that read linke this;

    "Your account is setup and ready for use" or "We have credited your account". I laugh when I see these come in. In fact, I am only still on his list because I want to see how far this goy will go to try and get me to click INTO his emails. But bottom line, not very effective. Doesn't really grab my attention, just kind of irritates me.

    The F Bomb, as shown here, creates a very reactionary pull, and I would only say this, usage is key. If it's subtle and not so in your face, I think it could work...ONCE. As many here have said, they would be VERY turned off by it. But I suspect they would probably click in to see 'who has the cohones to use that term' and at that point, if your sales process is solid, you got em! But ONLY ONCE. If you tried to even remarket that same product in a new campaign, I think you would see the backlash.

    I truly cant wait to see how you decide and what choice you make. Me, I'm using it, but in a way that I hope, ties my concept to the heart string pull necessary to bring people TO my side rather than AWAY...

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    Be more focused on your demographic. It's not good to say your demographic is "all over the place."

    And I wouldn't suggest to put any swear words on the headline... You know what kind of people respond to that kind of stuff...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimitris Skiadas
    More than 80 posts in this thread and opinions STRONGLY DIVERSIFY!

    It's very easy to say "test it and see what happens". It's also very easy to say "I wouldn't do it".

    To me Marketing should be all about being creative and test what works or not. For the case we are talking i wouldn't do it. I don't want to endanger my fame as an Internet Marketer.

    It's your call though.

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  • Profile picture of the author JabMonkey
    Originally Posted by dsiomtw View Post

    I'm about to start working on a new site, in a very "crowded" niche where one of my biggest challenges is going to be to get peoples' attention and stand out from the crowd.

    I'm going to test it either way, but I'm curious what people think about using curse words in copywriting?

    Specifically, I came up with an incredibly pithy 5-word headline that has the F-bomb on it.

    Assuming that it will cause pretty much every one of my target prospects to stop and pay attention to what I'm saying - at least long enough to read my subheadlines, etc - do you think I'll gain more than I'll "lose" by anyone so offended that they turn around and leave?

    Obviously the audience matters, but in my case the demographics of my prospects are all over the board - young and old, male and female, educated and uneducated, etc.

    I'm guessing this landing page will get the best opt-in rate I've ever seen, but only testing will tell. What do you think?

    I'm also going to test using things like "freaking", "freakin'" and "f-ing". I think maybe something like "f-ing" will have pretty much the same power without being quite as "offensive" to some people?
    You'll turn away religious people immediately and that is a lot of people. Plus, it's just not necessary to do that. I don't know of any successful copywriter who employs curse words in ad copy.

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  • Profile picture of the author webdesignnomad
    Hey Dsiom,
    Personally I would not be at all offended by such a headline, I think that sometimes profanities are the only way to express something. It really depends on your target audience, but I doubt it will decrease sales from people turning around because of the profanity, I think that the few prudes who do will be outweighed by the extra attention it brings you.
    I say go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author nksurf
    Didn't they do a research and find that comics who use the "F" word get more laugh than those that don't ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Zend
    This is by far is the most breakthrough idea in this past months. I will greatly appreciate your result. The truth is, I've been holding myself not to put any F-bomb in my headline. Why I am holding back? its definitely not about "some people might get offended" well, internet is just "that" kind of place, F-bomb is already everywhere. I just afraid maybe google, yahoo, and bing will ban my web.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
    Not that I'm advocating doing it, I will say that my best ever converting sales letter dropped the F-Bomb in the headline! It was targeted at Warriors and pulled around a 14% conversion rate and sold about 60 some units (from loose memory). It was many, many years ago though, and the whole topic was pretty darn controversial. It was also with a pen name and no one knew it was me.
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