What is your ideal article spinner?

HeySal

17 years ago

Actually, it's the human brain. There just is no competent substitute.

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Lambert Klein 17 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Actually, it's the human brain. There just is no competent substitute.

Exactly what I was going to say.

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Scott Ames 17 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Actually, it's the human brain. There just is no competent substitute.

My wife will be disappointed. She has been looking for a substitute for my brain for a while now.
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JayXtreme

17 years ago

Originally Posted by CmdrStidd

What functionality do you want from a really good article spinner? What things don't you want? Tell me what your dream version of an article spinner is.

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My ideal article spinner is a broken one..

on second thought, we probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between output from a broken one and one that "works".. I say works, I mean performs an action.. they don't actually work, do they?..

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Glenn Leader

17 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Dear Santa...

My ideal article spinner is a broken one..

on second thought, we probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between output from a broken one and one that "works".. I say works, I mean performs an action.. they don't actually work, do they?..

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Jay

Yes, sometimes they do actually work

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JayXtreme 17 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

Yes, sometimes they do actually work

I was told once.. that when creating a headline on a salesletter.. to never ask a question that your target niche might actually answer No to, you will lose them before you even get their interest.

Jus Sayin'
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anth.elias

17 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Dear Santa...

My ideal article spinner is a broken one..

on second thought, we probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between output from a broken one and one that "works".. I say works, I mean performs an action.. they don't actually work, do they?..

Peace

Jay

I tend to agree with Jay, I have never found one that works, I think this is one area you don't need to take short cuts on. Is anybody going to read a spun article from begging to end or even skim through it?

Many will say that' it's OK to spin articles and send them to directories, but do really want that spun articles that really does not make any sense with your name in the resource box or with a link pointing back to one of your sites-not me I rather spend the money and purchase real content.

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Glenn Leader

17 years ago

Originally Posted by aelias

I tend to agree with Jay, I have never found one that works, I think this is one area you don't need to take short cuts on. Is anybody going to read a spun article from begging to end or even skim through it?

Many will say that' it's OK to spin articles and send them to directories, but do really want that spun articles that really does not make any sense with your name in the resource box or with a link pointing back to one of your sites-not me I rather spend the money and purchase real content.

Well, carry on with the majority then. Misunderstand the power of GOOD
article spinners, and continue to work the hard way. Me??? I prefer to
work smart, not hard.

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blackhatzen

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

Well, carry on with the majority then. Misunderstand the power of GOOD
article spinners, and continue to work the hard way. Me??? I prefer to
work smart, not hard.

Glenn

Indeed. I think that content generation will always have its detractors and naysayers. While I can appreciate their position, I think it is important to note that for powerful, effective results, even the best rewriting applications require human ingenuity and creativity as input. I believe there is something to be said for that.

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yesacpow 17 years ago

Personally I don't think article spinners make any sense whatsoever. I tried one once and the article was totally unreadable. You are better of spending your time rewriting the articles your self.
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JayXtreme

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

Well, carry on with the majority then. Misunderstand the power of GOOD
article spinners, and continue to work the hard way. Me??? I prefer to
work smart, not hard.

Glenn

It's a big assumption on your part to say that I am working the "hard" way Glenn...

I think you are misunderstanding (didn't know in the first place?) what it takes for me to run my business without articles spinners..

Your opinion is based on your own experience, I respect that, but it doesn't make it fact.

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WillDee

17 years ago

{Article|Content} {spinners|rewriters} are only as {good|effective} as the {writer|author} using the {tool|software|application}. Used {properly|correctly|intelligently}, they're {capable of producing|able to produce} {outstanding|excellent|quite readable} output.

Content spinners are only as good as the author using the tool. Used correctly, they're capable of producing excellent output.

Article rewriters are only as good as the writer using the software. Used properly, they're capable of producing excellent output.

Article rewriters are only as good as the writer using the tool. Used properly, they're able to produce outstanding output.

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WillDee

17 years ago

And yes, it does take a bit of work to set up the article you're going to spin for the first time, but having done that, all it takes to produce x articles is the click of a button.

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Jon Alexander 17 years ago

Originally Posted by WillDee

And yes, it does take a bit of work to set up the article you're going to spin for the first time

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TheRichJerksNet

17 years ago

I already have the ideal one ... But I really get a kick out of how many people actually put down a spinner and 1. They have never used a "real" human spinner and 2. Those that put down spinners actually spin content themselves...

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Dave Z

17 years ago

A good article re-writer is someone that you outsource it to, "power article re-writer" comes close but it takes a lot of work and i like to send my time on other things then creating content this way.

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slimshady22248202

17 years ago

I agree with the majority. I think nobody can replace a good article writer. It is just not humanly possible. LOL!

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TheRichJerksNet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by slimshady22248202

I agree with the majority. I think nobody can replace a good article writer. It is just not humanly possible. LOL!

Why do people "ASSUME" article spinners are there to replace article writers ???

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CmdrStidd

17 years ago

I think everyone, while having {good|interesting|intriguing} comments, is missing the point of the thread here. This thread is not about debating whether spinners do work or can work, but rather it is asking you what your idea of the perfect functioning spinner is.

I understand that a great many of you have issues with spinners, but what I am asking you is this:

What is the problem with the spinners and what do you see as a fix to the automation of articles with different content which says the same thing. What way do you see a spinner working before you would purchase it?

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WillDee

17 years ago

Originally Posted by CmdrStidd

What is the problem with the spinners and what do you see as a fix to the automation of articles with different content which says the same thing. What way do you see a spinner working before you would purchase it?

With one or two notable exceptions, the output of fully automatic spinners is awful, as the engines appear to be based on quite rudimentary search and replace functions. The spinners that do a good job of fully automating the process are generally priced in the same range as a small car.

Because I use a spinner to make my life easier in terms of the volume of material I produce, I would like a spinner that makes it easy to accomplish what I want. Something that reduces the amount of time I have to spend rewriting content rather than rewriting it for me.

A number of people have mentioned PAR - that reduces the amount of time I spend rewriting an article (try and use Word to search and replace a thousand times!!!) while giving me the luxury of actually writing something that remains (for the most part) grammatically correct and coherent. Relatively easy access to a list of synonyms is a plus, but it's still not perfect. I'd like to see something that expands on that by listing colloquialisms, antonyms and any other -nym you care to think of.

As for what would it take to make me purchase it? Incorporating a storage mechanism for frequently used phrases, perhaps based on subject or keyword? I frequently write down notes to myself, and it would be nice to be able to tag and save these in the application itself, so the next time I write about widgets I can also be presented with snippets about widgets, with an option to include them in the text.
If you're a coder, html, php or other, you'll be familiar with the code snippet concept.

What I don't want, however, is a program that requires me to totally relinquish control and spew out random sentences and phrases that make even the most tolerant search spiders throw up in disgust.

So an application that aids production and optimises workflow rather than one that assumes control of the output.

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TheRichJerksNet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by WillDee

As for what would it take to make me purchase it? Incorporating a storage mechanism for frequently used phrases, perhaps based on subject or keyword? I frequently write down notes to myself, and it would be nice to be able to tag and save these in the application itself, so the next time I write about widgets I can also be presented with snippets about widgets, with an option to include them in the text.
If you're a coder, html, php or other, you'll be familiar with the code snippet concept.

What I don't want, however, is a program that requires me to totally relinquish control and spew out random sentences and phrases that make even the most tolerant search spiders throw up in disgust.

So an application that aids production and optimises workflow rather than one that assumes control of the output.

End transmission.

This is exactly what my Human Controlled Spinner does on AP.. When you add spinpoints and spinpoint keys they remain there until you delete them. Everything is fully controled by you the writer and not some pre-set database. You can even mass add spinpoints and spinpoint keys from a text file if you wish.

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billionareHuman

17 years ago

A human creating the alternatives in the text is the best way to use a spinner. A robot trying to create readable alternatives is many years away.

Crap in Crap out

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Terryr

17 years ago

Microsoft Word for me.

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mogili

17 years ago

It's total waste of time and money to hunt for an article spinning software. MS word seems to the best. What all the article spinner software do is to supply the synonyms and the rest you have to edit. This can be done by MS word too. Why go for paid software. Sorry for being frank!

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Randy Bheites

17 years ago

Article Spinner Pro works great for me. Take a quality article, re-phrase the content in key ways, create variations on a theme.

I have no problem using this type of productivity tool. As someone mentioned, it is only as good as the person using it, and if you put garbage in, you will get garbage out.

Spinners do not replace writers. They merely automate the task of creating variations within a very limited context.

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markcarraway

17 years ago

I guess Randy is right on this one... Article spinners don't work as a stand alone solution. They are good at what they are designed to do, and that is to make automatic variations. Spun articles still require a human touch, and to me, its just easier to do it myself from the start.

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WillDee

17 years ago

A question that I have for those that use spinners is what do you feel is a good price for a spinner that makes you work a bit harder, but gives you better output. I've seen the output from a number of products offered on the net and have been shocked by what they're being sold for. Do people buy them because there aren't better alternatives, or is there another reason they appear to sell so well?

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str1k3r 17 years ago

a dream article spinner? Is that even a question?

The only thing it comes down to is are the articles the program spins still good?

Thats it... So my dream article spinner would be able to take my article and spin it into many well written versions of the original at a click of a button.
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LB

17 years ago

I've never seen a spinner that made decent, readable articles that did not take as much time to setup as just writing another article would.

Not a knock, just my own experience.

My favorite "spinner" is to just give multiple writers the same criteria and see what they make!

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WillDee

17 years ago

Originally Posted by MRRproducts

There is no article spinner that can rewrite articles the way we want. For instance, if you take health niche, the spined articles will be a crap with completely irrelevant words.

I beg to differ. Unless, of course, you feed it completely irrelevant words. Then it'd spew out garbage.

There are a number of products that use your input as a base for spinning articles. However, they do take work to set up. This appears to be something a lot of people who're looking for a quick and dirty solution are totally averse to.

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Steve Sanchez 17 years ago

I've tried Milan's and I takes a while to setup all the variations so that they make sense. Once you've done it though it will crank out hundreds of variations. The reason I used Milan's is that it does so much more than spin.

It is mostly automated and saves a ton of work. It's great tool.

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JonStein

17 years ago

The best way to obtain high quality articles through an article spinner is of course, begin with a well thought out article, and then elaborate that article through the use of a spinner that utilizes, semantics, logic, etc to produce well-thought out results.

I agree many people tend to take shortcuts and load the internet up with useless content, however, if you need to beat the duplicate content penalty and have multiple articles to post to dozens of article directories, an article spinner with semantics, logic, levenshtein, algorithms is beneficial to article marketing.

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WillDee

17 years ago

Originally Posted by JonStein

...begin with a well thought out article, and then elaborate that article through the use of a spinner that utilizes, semantics, logic, etc to produce well-thought out results.

You've hit the nail on the head. The unfortunate thing is that a large percentage of the people who want to use a spinner are those that are too danged lazy to put in the effort to use it effectively. They assume that it will write the article for them as long as they feed it a keyword or two to base the article on. Can we blame it on excessively optimistic marketing on the part of spinner sellers, or the inherent laziness of the person?

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JonStein

17 years ago

Originally Posted by WillDee

You've hit the nail on the head. The unfortunate thing is that a large percentage of the people who want to use a spinner are those that are too danged lazy to put in the effort to use it effectively. They assume that it will write the article for them as long as they feed it a keyword or two to base the article on. Can we blame it on excessively optimistic marketing on the part of spinner sellers, or the inherent laziness of the person?

You are correct, as a professional writer, I created the WinSpin2009 software to help overcome the duplicate content penalty for myself and my clients. An article spinner is not intended to WRITE your article, only to produce unlimited variations.

Any article I output through my program generates a greater than 50% difference and therefore increases my visibility and exposure on search engines with less effort than manually re-writing it.

Top article directories are now using copyscape to check author submissions, and if an article is substantially the same as one already on the 'net, they are rejecting them. The top article directories rely on adsense for revenue and if their pages are omitted because of duplicate content, then they stand to lose pages and credibility.

I regularly submit to the top 25 article directories and occasionally submit to over 100 others.

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TheRichJerksNet 17 years ago

Originally Posted by JonStein

Top article directories are now using copyscape to check author submissions

Sorry just had to say it .. You do realize copyscape can be blocked from accessing a server ??

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TheRichJerksNet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by JonStein

if you need to beat the duplicate content penalty and have multiple articles to post to dozens of article directories, an article spinner with semantics, logic, levenshtein, algorithms is beneficial to article marketing.

Jon,
There is no dup penalty when it comes to article marketing...

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JonStein

17 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Jon,
There is no dup penalty when it comes to article marketing...

James

You got to be kidding! That statement makes absolutely no sense. Especially when you do not back it up with some kind of proof. Click the semantics link in my sig box to see actual duplicate content omitted from Google that appeared on article directories.

Please do not act like the 'Internet Gurus' who claim to know something, when in reality they are merely spewing unsubstantiated opinions and nonsense.

If you honestly believe that quality article directories and top search engines do not omit duplicate content, keep doing it the way you are and good luck! I have no motivation or desire to change the opinions of 'experts'.

Incidentally James, Happy Birthday.

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TheRichJerksNet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by JonStein

You got to be kidding! That statement makes absolutely no sense. Especially when you do not back it up with some kind of proof. Click the semantics link in my sig box to see actual duplicate content omitted from Google that appeared on article directories.

Please do not act like the 'Internet Gurus' who claim to know something, when in reality they are merely spewing unsubstantiated opinions and nonsense.

If you honestly believe that quality article directories and top search engines do not omit duplicate content, keep doing it the way you are and good luck! I have no motivation or desire to change the opinions of 'experts'.

Incidentally James, Happy Birthday.

Jon

Jon,
I do not in any way claim to be an "Internet Guru" and nor do I want the title... But, in article marketing it is already a proven fact that dup content penalty does not exist. This is nothing I need to prove, please feel free to ask some long time article marketers like Steve or Allen on this forum.

There is a dup content penalty when it comes to posting the same information on the same domain name, but not posting the same article to 20 article directories. I own a article directory and I also post to them, sometimes I change my articles and sometimes I don't.. Either way I still will dominate 5 or more listings out of the first 10 on google for my keywords.

I clicked on your link and I am tempted to submit your site to the social bookmarking sites just for you remembering my birthday ..lol

James

P.S. Where is my birthday gift ????

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adpablo

17 years ago

I personally don't use spinners much...I feel kind of bored writing so many synonims inside the bracketts...

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venomous2000

17 years ago

I don't use article spinner because a lot of people can tell that the article has been spun because it has no personality. It may sound weird but everyone has a unique style of writing that has a personality which is what gets people to click your resource box. But by using article spinners you have no personality.

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17 years ago

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Gary M.

17 years ago

My ideal article spinner is one that will do all the word/phrase replacements for me. From what I hear SENuke has something like this going on, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.

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Dan Blackburn

17 years ago

As an article directory owner, article spinners are the bane of my life. But only because people do not know how to use them. The example that WilleDee gave is an excellent one.

Duplicate content maybe a myth (it is), but even so. If you optimize your articles for different keyword phrases when you submit them to different sites, you will probably get more traffic overall as they come up on searches related to the different keyword phrases you have optimized for.

If you are going to use an article spinner you should take the approach of "Which words in this particular sentence could I say differently and still have the sentence make sence". The software needs to recognize that alternative phrases given in one particular sentence may not apply in another sentence in the same article.

If you are going to develop an article spinner software, do so with the focus of guiding your customers in how to use it correctly, as well making it easy for them to use, but don't understate the necessary work required to make article spinning anything more than extra work for the article directory owner and staff (deleting articles).

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WillDee

17 years ago

Valuable input, thank you for that little insight. I've considered the technical aspect of the spinner (and I'd like to think that mine's one that can be used to produce quality output if used correctly) but the usability is something I'll focus on for the next version. The key is your point about focusing on guiding the customer in its use. It's one area mine definitely needs improving on. Thanks for the insight, again.

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If you are going to develop an article spinner software, do so with the focus of guiding your customers in how to use it correctly, as well making it easy for them to use, but don't understate the necessary work required to make article spinning anything more than extra work for the article directory owner and staff (deleting articles).

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17 years ago

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17 years ago

I've used Unique Article Wizard in the past. I've had good results in the past, but it is expensive

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Alminc

17 years ago

There's one thing I don't understand about using article spinners.

The goal is to get as many 35-40% different variations as possible
so that search engines count your backlinks from different variations
as different backlinks, correct?

Now, I see that it is possible to create quite many variations of the
article body because there is enough text in the body, and that part is ok.

But your link is in your resource box. Your resource box is very short text
snippet and it's impossible to create more than 3-5 different variations
from one resource box. And that is the most important part because your
backlink is there.

Say you have article body of 500 words and you spin 30 articles from it.
But you can't spin more than 5 resource boxes. So what's the benefit
of spinning 30 (or 300!) diferent article bodies, when search engines
see only 5 different resource boxes?

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edman

17 years ago

hmm...

lol.. what a point, quite interesting to hear replies on this one

Personally I feel Spinners cannot replace anything but another spinner. The only use I see for them is if you were to spend time configuring it to duplicate your one article sensibly so that it still makes sense, and you can pass it of as new content.

However no matter what, there is always need for human intervention

In Internet Marketing I think there are two worlds...

1: Those that feel the need to publish a million articles very quickly without caring about the readers... they just want to get as much abc's out there

2: Those that work towards becoming an authority in their industry and want to build a loyal fan base, by providing well researched and relevant content for their audience.

and of course there is also group 3.. those that mix

hmmm... Could we spin Wikipedia and build a new one?

Originally Posted by Alminc

There's one thing I don't understand about using article spinners.

The goal is to get as many 35-40% different variations as possible
so that search engines count your backlinks from different variations
as different backlinks, correct?

Now, I see that it is possible to create quite many variations of the
article body because there is enough text in the body, and that part is ok.

But your link is in your resource box. Your resource box is very short text
snippet and it's impossible to create more than 3-5 different variations
from one resource box. And that is the most important part because your
backlink is there.

Say you have article body of 500 words and you spin 30 articles from it.
But you can't spin more than 5 resource boxes. So what's the benefit
of spinning 30 (or 300!) diferent article bodies, when search engines
see only 5 different resource boxes?

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diggy20

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

Say you have article body of 500 words and you spin 30 articles from it.
But you can't spin more than 5 resource boxes. So what's the benefit
of spinning 30 (or 300!) diferent article bodies, when search engines
see only 5 different resource boxes?

Who says you can only spin 5 resources boxes? I'm not really sure what spinner you are talking about, but if you use something like Unique Article Wizard, you can spin your resource boxes to create way more than 5 variations.

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Marty S

17 years ago

Originally Posted by CmdrStidd

What functionality do you want from a really good article spinner? What things don't you want? Tell me what your dream version of an article spinner is.

I am really looking forward to your product sir. Here are some things I like as features:

1 - Word count on every interface of the software.
2 - Substitute of spinning syntax with any character I choose, so as to accommodate other spinning submission services.
3 - Common phrase input and replacement feature.
4 - The saving of original article along with spun articles in same folder.

Good luck - I think you have a tall order to out-feature Power Article Rewriter, but I hope you can do it.

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slimshady22248202

17 years ago

Hey, you made a good point there, Almic.

Say you have article body of 500 words and you spin 30 articles from it.
But you can't spin more than 5 resource boxes. So what's the benefit
of spinning 30 (or 300!) diferent article bodies, when search engines
see only 5 different resource boxes?

Is there a limit on how many resources boxes can be submitted to the article directories.

I never thought about it that way,

I am interested in your feedback on this Almic,

thank,
Ray

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Chad Kimball

17 years ago

unique article wizard rocks. I use it constantly

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