Well known Imer sends me 3 emails a day 2 are solo swops whats his long term tactics??

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Hi guys,

I`m on quite a well known marketers list i`m not talking well known as in Frank Kern or anything like that but he is well known

Anyway i`m on his list and it sucks i get 3 emails a day most days and 2 of them are ad swops mixed into that i get freebies which are things like a video modual from his own product which is 6 videos long and he sends a taster with a massive sales copy for his own product

Also every single email is a promotion, At first i hated him and wondered WTF but now i`ve thought about it if he`s doing 2 ad swops a day on top of most likely solo ads he must be building a massive list and with the power of number he must be hitting sales then i started to think he must be hitting alot of sales actually then i thought maybe he moves every buyer onto a different list and then starts to market to them with skill and build a relationship with them

Then i thought this is a good idea ... or is it ????

What do you guys think ??
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  • Profile picture of the author CalinDan
    This is probably a good method since a well-known IMer does it. Sometimes strength is really in the numbers, and I'm not only talking about his list size, but the actual bottom line.

    Although I wouldn't advise anyone to promote and abuse his list so aggressively, hey ...if it works, scale it up, right?

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    Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      I give lots of IMer's lists a try. The minute I start getting swamped with sales emails, as opposed to informational emails, I hit the unsubscribe button.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrelk159
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        I give lots of IMer's lists a try. The minute I start getting swamped with sales emails, as opposed to informational emails, I hit the unsubscribe button.
        Yes agreed, once there are more ads, sales, promotions rather than infromation and knowledge, my finger always itches to click the unsuscribe button.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
      Originally Posted by CalinDan View Post

      This is probably a good method since a well-known IMer does it. Sometimes strength is really in the numbers, and I'm not only talking about his list size, but the actual bottom line.

      Although I wouldn't advise anyone to promote and abuse his list so aggressively, hey ...if it works, scale it up, right?

      Regards,
      Dan
      I disagree. There are many well known IM'ers who do things wrong and it costs them sales. Some of them succeed in spite of themselves and leave serious money on the table because they don't respect their list.

      Many people think that if a certain person is doing it (or various people) that it must work, but that is definitely not always the case.

      To sum it up with an analogy, there have many smart successful people that run East looking for a sunset and many who just assumed it was the right way to go because everyone else was.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    A lot of marketers pound their freebie lists. Once somebody buys from them, they are automatically moved to the buyer list, where they take a much more personal approach. I'm not giving my opinion on the tactic, just telling you what a lot of marketers do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    It sounds to me like his main motivation is "MONEY" not long term either, fast and quick, turn and burn.

    If it costs him 150.00 to send out lots of emails and he makes 300.00 every time he does it, then its a working business model for him, epecially if he ramps it up....

    I have seen some people that I am surprised about, who send out an email, every day or at least 4 times a week.

    It must be working for them, or they would not being doing it, and if it's not working for them, they won't be doing it much longer.


    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Hi guys,

    I`m on quite a well known marketers list i`m not talking well known as in Frank Kern or anything like that but he is well known

    Anyway i`m on his list and it sucks i get 3 emails a day most days and 2 of them are ad swops mixed into that i get freebies which are things like a video modual from his own product which is 6 videos long and he sends a taster with a massive sales copy for his own product

    Also every single email is a promotion, At first i hated him and wondered WTF but now i`ve thought about it if he`s doing 2 ad swops a day on top of most likely solo ads he must be building a massive list and with the power of number he must be hitting sales then i started to think he must be hitting alot of sales actually then i thought maybe he moves every buyer onto a different list and then starts to market to them with skill and build a relationship with them

    Then i thought this is a good idea ... or is it ????

    What do you guys think ??
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  • Profile picture of the author brazosbelle
    Sounds like he is making money doing it that way for now...maybe his numbers will hold out, but maybe in the long run he will lose his customer base by burning them out. It's happened before to the greedy ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
    As i actually said i belive this guy is adding a hell of a lot of subscribers to his freebie list each day i mean 2 ad swops most days and i knew he`s buying solos i`ve seen him so i belive this list he doesn`t give a dam about but when someone buys from the list i bet he has a `buyers` list
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    3-5 times a day may be overdoing it, but that said 90% of list owners are under marketing to their list because they focus so much on keeping their list at a certain number and take people leaving their list as "personal" rather than look at their promotions as helping a given target audience. Different perspectives.

    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    I dealt with a marketer like that. I stayed subscribed to him because he's well respected (and because he owes me money), but eventually, the constant promotional emails got to be too much.
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    • Profile picture of the author yesacpow
      For most of these marketers its a numbers game.. And it will probably work for them for a long time to come as long as they keep adding fresh subscribers to their list.

      It's like this - if thus have 30,000 subscribers and get a 10% open rate that's 3,000 opens.

      Now if they get a 35% ctr from those opens that's 1,050 clicks. If they get only a 1% conversion on a product that pays them $30 then that's roughly 10 sales at $300 per email. If they send one every day of the week then that's a $10K per month income.

      Double that if they send twice!!!

      Is that the most effective way to market? I don't think so but it must be working for them if they continue to do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
        Originally Posted by yesacpow View Post

        For most of these marketers its a numbers game.. And it will probably work for them for a long time to come as long as they keep adding fresh subscribers to their list.

        It's like this - if thus have 30,000 subscribers and get a 10% open rate that's 3,000 opens.

        Now if they get a 35% ctr from those opens that's 1,050 clicks. If they get only a 1% conversion on a product that pays them $30 then that's roughly 10 sales at $300 per email. If they send one every day of the week then that's a $10K per month income.

        Double that if they send twice!!!

        Is that the most effective way to market? I don't think so but it must be working for them if they continue to do it.
        The more i learn about this type of email marketing and the more i look into it and see exactly who is a member of ad swops.com the more i think this is a pretty good way to work it and as soon as i get a buyer from the list i segment them into a buyers list and build a relationship with that list and take care for them
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        • Profile picture of the author yesacpow
          Honestly I wouldn't advise it. I'd rather you focus on giving value to people who are in need of it and build a strong relationship with them for the long run.

          I have people on my list for months who buys almost everything I recommend when I do. That's because of the relationship and built with them over time.

          Doing the adswop method may bring in some initial capital but is far less rewarding than if you were to build a strong relationship with a few subscribers.

          It's not always about the numbers. You should pick up Autoresponder Madness from a guy called Andre Chaperon and that will really open you eyes to what's possible with email marketing.


          Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

          The more i learn about this type of email marketing and the more i look into it and see exactly who is a member of ad swops.com the more i think this is a pretty good way to work it and as soon as i get a buyer from the list i segment them into a buyers list and build a relationship with that list and take care for them
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    I'm subscribed to several list from well known Warriors. They mail almost every day and sometimes twice a day. Irritating at times and more than once I have gone so far as to hit the unsubscribe link, but held off.

    Why?

    More than once their e-Mails have pointed out a new affiliate product I could promote to my list. And each time I made money off of that product's affiliate program and before I received the e-Mail from the list I was on, I knew nothing about it.

    I don't get rich but it's a nice grand or 2 a year I wouldn't have had.

    Ken

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    • Profile picture of the author yesacpow
      Hey Ken,

      That's very true because I've promoted quite a few products to my own list which I wouldn't have heard about if I wasn't on some of those 'email blaster gurus' list.

      So at times we can get a little goodie out of the frustration of getting tons of email from them.


      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      I'm subscribed to several list from well known Warriors. They mail almost every day and sometimes twice a day. Irritating at times and more than once I have gone so far as to hit the unsubscribe link, but held off.

      Why?

      More than once their e-Mails have pointed out a new affiliate product I could promote to my list. And each time I made money off of that product's affiliate program and before I received the e-Mail from the list I was on, I knew nothing about it.

      I don't get rich but it's a nice grand or 2 a year I wouldn't have had.

      Ken

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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Ken,

      I like your style.

      George Wright

      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      I'm subscribed to several list from well known Warriors. They mail almost every day and sometimes twice a day. Irritating at times and more than once I have gone so far as to hit the unsubscribe link, but held off.

      Why?

      More than once their e-Mails have pointed out a new affiliate product I could promote to my list. And each time I made money off of that product's affiliate program and before I received the e-Mail from the list I was on, I knew nothing about it.

      I don't get rich but it's a nice grand or 2 a year I wouldn't have had.

      Ken

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Well known Imer sends me 3 emails a day 2 are solo swops whats his long term tactics??
    These are only short-term tactics, not long-term: he's just split-testing two different lists built from the same traffic sources, to one of which he sends that, while to the other he behaves as a comparatively normal human being, because he heard that sending 3 emails a day of which 2 are solo swaps pisses everyone off so much that you end up with a 0% open-rate from the few who don't unsubscribe, but he still wanted to verify it independently (which he perhaps will).
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    My email account has about 50,000 emails, all trash. I didn't even sign up for anything, the emails come from what is suppose to be "future updates"
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  • Profile picture of the author Headstart
    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Hi guys,

    I`m on quite a well known marketers list i`m not talking well known as in Frank Kern or anything like that but he is well known

    Anyway i`m on his list and it sucks i get 3 emails a day most days and 2 of them are ad swops mixed into that i get freebies which are things like a video modual from his own product which is 6 videos long and he sends a taster with a massive sales copy for his own product

    Also every single email is a promotion, At first i hated him and wondered WTF but now i`ve thought about it if he`s doing 2 ad swops a day on top of most likely solo ads he must be building a massive list and with the power of number he must be hitting sales then i started to think he must be hitting alot of sales actually then i thought maybe he moves every buyer onto a different list and then starts to market to them with skill and build a relationship with them

    Then i thought this is a good idea ... or is it ????

    What do you guys think ??
    You should probably ask yourself, "have I purchased a product from him?"

    You'll have your answer on his approach pretty quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Keane
    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Hi guys,
    Anyway i`m on his list and it sucks i get 3 emails a day most days and 2 of them are ad swops mixed into that i get freebies which are things like a video modual from his own product which is 6 videos long and he sends a taster with a massive sales copy for his own product

    What do you guys think ??
    It sounds like he's doing a SOLO AD Selling? That's how Solo ad sellers manage the swipes everyday.

    Most of the swipes we're not very long but direct to the point.

    If he's working on 3 Emails a day, I am 90% sure that he's selling clicks.

    Ask for yourself, who the hell would want to do 3 emails a day for Product or Affiliate selling?

    IMHO

    Cheers!
    John Keane
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I think most internet marketers are more sensitive about
    sending out emails than subscribers are to receiving them.

    Again, we are always making ourselves the customer.

    Subscribers are always are lot mote tolerant than you
    think. And those who unsubscribe are usually other
    marketers who wouldn't have bought from you
    anyway.

    -Ray Edwards
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