Dumb question I guess...

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I just got Micro Niche Finder. Looks really interesting. It gives you 'Domain Availability'.

Assuming I'm promoting a product called 'Best Cat Food For Dogs', and assuming it has a low SOC, I write a load of articles about that subject.

Does that mean that when I register bestcatfoodfordogs.com, the search engines will be likely to find it just because of the domain name?

Dumb question I'm sure, but I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Not a dumb question at all.
    To answer your question, it really depend on the search engine.
    There are cases that some of my sites got ranked even without any contents.
    However, you will be putting your sites to chances.
    SEO is about long term work.
    So what if your site is on page one google.
    Without good content, your bounce rate will be exceptionally high..
    Google will penalize that eventually.

    My advice: Don't take shortcut in your Internet marketing career.
    You will be awarded with your hard work.

    Stay positive and work hard.

    You will make it. Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author malcsimm
    No question is dumb

    It used to be that having the key word in your domain name gave a definite boost in Google. The boost is now less, and is likely to be non-existent quite soon. So, don't worry too much about getting your keywords in the domain name.

    The game you might like to consider playing now is to choose a niche you are really interested in, create fantastic content on your site – content that people will really want to share – then aim at getting your traffic not from Google, but from visitor trickles from forums and questions and answers sites - these trickles adding up to bigger and bigger streams over time.

    As people visit your site the content will be so brilliant that they will happily share it with their friends on social networks. Bingo!

    This is a solid strategy for success which many people are following and it is also quite satisfying because you end up networking with people in a genuine way rather than spending your time trying to fool Google.

    Fooling Google is fine if you really know what you are doing, but it does require you keep really up-to-date with things and also it's boring.

    So you might prefer the other approach I've talked about. I hope this makes sense.

    Best wishes

    Malc
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    • Profile picture of the author norrimac
      Hey, thanks to all of you. That's saved me a load of time!

      Your opinions are very much appreciated. (Woof woof Barry...)
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Used to be almost the case, but no longer. Google no longer gives automatic preference to exact match domains just on the domain name only. In fact, they will penalize exact match domains with little content. So there's really no advantage in going for an exact match domain any longer. You can rank just the same, given the same content, with a branded domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author awledd
    My experience, If there is no competition, your page will come first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    First I'd do some videos on how to make your dog meow, but that's just my humble opinion..

    Actually, you would be better off grabbing a domain that grabs interest and can build brand awareness. At least if you intend to keep an audience, not just entice them for a single click.

    Because after all, what are:

    Ebay
    Microsoft
    Warrior Forum
    Oracle
    Adobe
    Amazon
    Google

    How many websites that you think about on a regular basis actually have a name that "means" anything? Not too many.
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  • Profile picture of the author MktCoach
    So MNF recommends that you use "best cat food for dogs" as your domain name...?

    Wow.

    That's the WORST piece of advice you could possibly follow!

    1. Visit adwords.google.com, open the Keyword Tool
    2. Enter your keyword and enable "Broad", "Phrase" and "Exact"
    3. You'll see that Google reports zero (0) or near-zero results for all these combinations.
    4. Now visit google.com, type in your keyword
    5. You'll see 63,100,000 results - but all this means is that this many pages contain these 5 words in any order.
    6. Now put your keyword in quotes like so: "best cat food for dogs"
    7. You'll see only one (1) organic competitor - THIS post on WarriorForum

    So, even if your domain is abcdef.com and you write an article called "best cat food for dogs", and even if you do little to no SEO on it - you WILL rank at #1 or #2 for it, given that your URL will be abcdef.com/best-cat-food-for-dogs... In fact, you'll probably rank at #1 because this WF post's title doesn't contain that phrase - it's only found within the content.

    This should be a lesson to all who use automated keyword discovery programs like MNF, MarketSamurai, Keyword Elite, Keyword Country and so on. They're only as good as the logic of the person that uses them! I'd recommend you learn the SEOlater method, because it teaches you how to discover REAL keywords. I gave you a fraction of what it is above.

    Hope it helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author norrimac
      Hey Charles!

      Excellent input, thanks.

      Actually, I was wondering why MNF offers the Domain Availability: according to the replies to this post, it appears to me that it's just part of the MNF package.

      So are you saying that rather than bother with niche domain names, it's just as beneficial (or more beneficial) to simply use an article on a site?

      And thanks for the tip on SEOlater, I'm looking at it now...
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      • Profile picture of the author MktCoach
        Originally Posted by norrimac View Post

        Hey Charles!

        Excellent input, thanks.

        Actually, I was wondering why MNF offers the Domain Availability: according to the replies to this post, it appears to me that it's just part of the MNF package.

        So are you saying that rather than bother with niche domain names, it's just as beneficial (or more beneficial) to simply use an article on a site?

        And thanks for the tip on SEOlater, I'm looking at it now...
        If you're going to use niche domain names, then pick something broad enough (and popular enough) to make it worth your while. Other than that, in case of sites which want to be around for a LONG time you don't need to worry about that either.

        Publishing well-optimized articles / blog posts on your own site can be a superb way to rank, if properly optimized. After you publish on your own blog, you can also RE-publish on article sites, etc. Most don't mind.
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        • Profile picture of the author norrimac
          Thanks Charles.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheEye
            From what I have heard exact match domains still get a minor advantage from Google.

            The longer an exact match domain is the more it looks like spam. You may get a little bit more traffic but your conversions may also suffer.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      Originally Posted by MktCoach View Post

      3. You'll see that Google reports zero (0) or near-zero results for all these combinations.
      Chill pill time I don't think the OP was really wanting to write about best cat food for dogs.

      Miaow
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      • Profile picture of the author MktCoach
        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        Chill pill time I don't think the OP was really wanting to write about best cat food for dogs.

        Miaow
        hehe
        Yep - I know.
        But I took it as given on purpose because so many people actually pick nonsense keywords like that.
        Chill pill long ago digested
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      • Profile picture of the author malcsimm
        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        Chill pill time I don't think the OP was really wanting to write about best cat food for dogs.

        Miaow
        Oh :-( You must admit though, it's a finely targeted niche!

        Then he could extend brand: hippo food for giraffes?? :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author norrimac
          Thanks all, in which case, to continue with this stupid question...

          Since the consensus is that article writing on ezines and such has lost traction, what would you guys and gals opine on this scenario:

          Let's say I have a site called WeirdStuff.com.

          Let's say that 10,000 Internet users own gerbils and the Gerbil Owners Club has announced that gerbils just LOVE tartan yoghurt and truly thrive on it. So these 10,000 gerbil owners ALL search for the exact phrtase "tartan yoghurt for gerbils".

          I write an article called "Tartan Yoghurt for Gerbils". I then put up a page on my Wordpress site. It's called http://weirdstuff.com/tartan-yoghurt-for-gerbils".

          What's your opinion on the probability of those 10,000 fanatical gerbil owners finding that site? Would it rank on Google, for example? (I must warn you that the fate of my next, million-dollar, IM launch is in your hands!!!)

          But seriously, would an extremely niche url get ranked? That appears to be the basis of bum/article marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    What's important is not "will an extremely niche url get ranked" but "how much competition does it have"

    If lots of people realise that tartan yoghurt for 3 legged gerbils is the "hot" thing to write about then you will have lots of competition.

    If you are the only one writing about it you will find it much easier to rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
      Originally Posted by norrimac View Post

      I just got Micro Niche Finder. Looks really interesting. It gives you 'Domain Availability'.

      Assuming I'm promoting a product called 'Best Cat Food For Dogs', and assuming it has a low SOC, I write a load of articles about that subject.

      Does that mean that when I register bestcatfoodfordogs.com, the search engines will be likely to find it just because of the domain name?

      Dumb question I'm sure, but I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

      Thanks.
      Not dumb at all. A valid question due to teh mass of info/mis-info you can find on the subject.

      Exact match domains used to be sure fire Google page one. That time has long passed.
      Exact match domains are now one of Google's "spam flags" and more likely to ensure you never see any decent rankings.


      Originally Posted by TheEye View Post

      From what I have heard exact match domains still get a minor advantage from Google.

      The longer an exact match domain is the more it looks like spam. You may get a little bit more traffic but your conversions may also suffer.
      Absolutely no advantage. Exactly the opposite.

      Don't take my word for it. Try searching on Google and see how many exact match domains come up on page one.

      I just typed in "dog food" and only one url in the top 10 even contained the keywords but no exact match.
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      • Profile picture of the author norrimac
        Thanks Carol & Tony both. Very kind and appreciated.
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