Is Blogging dead?

13 years ago

There are a lot of bloggers who don't think it is dead and are happy with their results but I guess it depends on what you want to achieve from your blog.

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Greedy

13 years ago

LOL no blogging isn't going anywhere.

He is just using as a figure of speech, saying "there a bigger and better money makers."

Which could also be debated and is somewhat vague, it really depends on your niche and your product what site is the best.

I've been making plenty of money blogging, and it is only increasing.

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angshuy2k 13 years ago

Now, lets have a look at it like this way, blogging:

Have got several blogs and many of you have them as well. I do keep updating my blogs every other day with unique content and keep my visitors engaged. What I get in return is that, some loyal viewers as well as some customers for my various products and enough to pay for myself and my family living.

So, what are my blogs about, I have several blogs on SEO, Marketing techniques, pregnancy websites, legal advice sites, gadgets sites, jewellery sites and many more. They all provide new info, coupons, worlds trends and many others almost like a portal. Have got some regular readers who come in and read.

Now, How I do many money out of them: Banner ads; selling clickbank products; ask guest blog writers to write quality content for their products as well and show case them, sell numerous digital products as well as services.

My blogging makes me to run my whole family in the UK. You can imagine how hard it might be because many of you are like me who was made redundant. But anyway, blogging is one thing that kept me going and soon I will finish my university degree ( I think I have made a mistake ) shouldn't have gone to uni for further education after loosing the job. Should have kept working as a freelancer IT guy in Kent, UK. But there you go, blogging and writing about new stuff does help me going and passive income became the main stream income and which is mostly earned from referral.

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kumarvijay

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Greedy

LOL no blogging isn't going anywhere.

He is just using as a figure of speech, saying "there a bigger and better money makers."

Which could also be debated and is somewhat vague, it really depends on your niche and your product what site is the best.

Agree with you,you give clear idea.

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Shaolinsteve

13 years ago

Blogging is a huge topic and as Sandy said, people are happy with their results... look at Pat Flynn for example... he is always making money from his blog (which is only 1 stream of income for him).

If you have a very responsive list, and they interact with your blog posts that's not exactly dead, or if your blog and posts have been optimized for SEO and you're getting good traffic that's not exactly dead. I know that this is not exactly what Ryan was talking about so don't get caught up about the "figure of speech" as Greedy puts it.

If you really wanted to know if blogging is dead, go and ask Glen Allsopp from ViperChill, I bet he would have a good answer

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BlueFrogSEO

13 years ago

Blogging isn't going nowhere fast... It's a great tool for driving traffic to your site. Ryan Deiss method sounds good and would work extremely well in addition to your own Bloggs.

I like the question on blogging though, a good topic and I'm interested to see what other comments spring up.

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ATTEK

13 years ago

No no no

I make much of money using a blog system

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Paul Hill SEO

13 years ago

I kind of get where Ryan is coming from but have to disagree him...I see blogging as one person's journey on the way to establishing themselves as an authoritative source in a given field.

We all know that automation is the way forward right...? Sure you could outsource this and do it quicker but will it ever be better? Steve mentioned Pat Flynn...a great example of how blogging is not dead and how that personal touch will always continue to resonate with people.

I think as a theoretical business model it makes a lot of sense and there are definite advantages. Take Pat Flynn again (not a stalker, I promise) - you take him out of the equation and SPI is brought to it's knees as he is the USP. With this method you could quite easily set up multiple sites and put them on auto-pilot...

Personally, I think there is nothing better than seeing someone strike success with a blog they have nurtured over time. Sure blogging is slow and can feel like you are speaking in an empty room but when it does take off, the returns can be exponential.

In short, I do not think blogging will ever "be dead" but realise that you do not always have to do things yourself. This method is not for me and I will continue to blog. Good luck to everyone who tries this, I dare say there will some success.

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Sushiman1111

13 years ago

Ryan kind of has a history of saying this or that is dead. Then doing the thing himself.

Personally, I don't blogging is going anywhere anytime soon.

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PeterKnight

13 years ago

When listening to sales pitches is wise to dial your inner-bs-detector to full strength.

Blogging is actually bigger than ever, I'd say, and only growing. Especially when a lot of people are seeing the downsides and limitations of FB/Google plus and Twitter. Numbers back it up, blogspot and WordPress.com are top traffic sites and WP downloads get higher with every new release.

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butters

13 years ago

No way, a marketer using scarcity, unfounded claims and hype to sell a product! (Sarcasm

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PerformanceMan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by frank1475

I have just watched a sales video by Ryan Deiss where he claimed that blogging was dead.

Aw, well - if he said it in a sales video then in HAS to be true

Now, my ClickBank affiliate blog has generated $486.51 in the last 2 and half days so I'm going to go out on a limb and say, blogging isn't dead. Proclaiming things dead as some sort of linkbait should be though

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Malcolm Thomas

13 years ago

Blogging is NOT dead. Blogging (when done right) can be very beneficial to your branding and ability to connect with your subscribers. Blogging still works.

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Lightlysalted

13 years ago

If anything, Google's recent changes have boosted the roll of bloggers, especially in terms of article length, inclusion of pictures and repeat visitor traffic. Personally I would consider paying content writers on sites like textbroker to write articles.

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wendyann

13 years ago

I have read a couple of these emails too and, while it may work in theory, I don't think it would work for everyone. What exactly is he selling at the end of it anyway?

Originally Posted by frank1475

I have just watched a sales video by Ryan Deiss where he claimed that blogging was dead. He was talking about building authority websites by finding and paying writers, who already have a following in their niche, to write for your site. Ryan claims that not only are you buying content but also traffic since these writers will put out lots of social signals to their following about their posts on your site. Doing the same with a number of writers gets lots of social signals pointing back at your site and gives it lots of authority in Google's eyes. It is then up to the sire owner to monetise this traffic. The first problem I see is getting people to write for a site that is new and has no authority. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this model.

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gabibeowulf

13 years ago

He did not say "dead", he said "broken". He's using an angle to sell to you. His product is pretty good nevertheless and I believe it's a smart twist on traditional blogging.

Anyway, there are plenty of successful bloggers. Think of John Chow or Perez Hilton. I bet you heard of them, haven't you?

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dome

13 years ago

When Google die ===> Blogging DEAD

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fin 13 years ago

Or you could build up your blog until successful bloggers want to guest post on it to drive traffic to their own blog.

Pay them or not, he has only talked about ONE traffic generation method.
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Rod Cortez 13 years ago

Originally Posted by dome

When Google die ===> Blogging DEAD

That's the funniest thing I've read so far this morning. There are plenty of bloggers who don't rely on Google for their traffic.

RoD
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StevenJones

13 years ago

GURU trash talk.

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CaesarSEO

13 years ago

It's funny how these guys would wake up some day and claim something is dead, it's just REALLY funny lol.

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Wayne

13 years ago

I think Ryan was saying the way that people do blogging is dead, not that blogging itself is dead. I watched through the long video, and it looked to me like the sites they build for you are even built on Wordpress. With his program, instead of writing the posts yourself, you are paying someone else to write the posts, and hopefully you would get good writers which would also build more traffic for your site. I don't understand how they say you get a $2000 website for free, but then it costs $97 and probably a lot more with their upsells.

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livitweb 13 years ago

I believe it depends on the type of blog you put up and your purposes for creating and maintaining one. If you do blogging in order to earn, you have to monetize your site properly and promote it so that you will gain lots of traffic to your site. You need to configure your site so that the traffic you get from visitors will convert into sales and/or commissions for you.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by frank1475

I have just watched a sales video by Ryan Deiss where he claimed that blogging was dead.

I stopped reading your post after this first sentence.

If Ryan Deiss is saying blogging is dead, then he is simply unable to sell "blog your way to millions" info products anymore. That's really all there is to it.

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ceenote100

13 years ago

Blogging isn't going anywhere anytime soon. People were saying the same thing about article writing a couple of years ago.

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Jesus Perez

13 years ago

Ryan is known for killing many things during his launches.

He's very good at this "killing" thing.

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ejullya

13 years ago

Hi Frank,

Of course Ryan is going to say that blogging is dead. It gets your attention and as a matter of fact so much so that now we are having a thread about it on this forum.

When you listen to this video further on he does not say that blogging is dead, he just wants you to jump on his bandwagon and pay for the services he offers.

Certainly, many things have changed, and small, crappy adsense blogs are the thing of the past.

A blog that offers fresh and value content is going to stay. Yeah some of the things are changing, like social interactions but that is OK. Bloggers need to adapt to changes. But for that matter any business, be it online or offline needs to adapt to and accept changes and new developments to keep up with 21st century.

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Long Beach Nathan

13 years ago

Blogging certainly isn't dead. And yes, he's using this as a way to sell his product.

It's possible to make a good amount of money blogging, but you have to monetize well with great, relevant affiliate offers.

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coconutisa

13 years ago

Who the heck is Ryan Reid's ? So is this you do marketing to sell your stuff? Wow!

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John Romaine

13 years ago

What a crock of shit.

They're just reclycling crap and propaganda in order to pimp their latest BS.

Why are people so attracted to this garbage?

Quit chasing dreams. Get to work.

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Rod Cortez

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

What a crock of shit.

They're just reclycling crap and propaganda in order to pimp their latest BS.

Why are people so attracted to this garbage?

Quit chasing dreams. Get to work.

Can we still chase girls?

RoD

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celente 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

Can we still chase girls?

RoD

yes, yes we can, that is of course you are into dudes, not that there is anything wrong with that! :p
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sal64

13 years ago

Originally Posted by frank1475

I have just watched a sales video by Ryan Deiss where he claimed that blogging was dead. He was talking about building authority websites by finding and paying writers, who already have a following in their niche, to write for your site. Ryan claims that not only are you buying content but also traffic since these writers will put out lots of social signals to their following about their posts on your site. Doing the same with a number of writers gets lots of social signals pointing back at your site and gives it lots of authority in Google's eyes. It is then up to the sire owner to monetise this traffic. The first problem I see is getting people to write for a site that is new and has no authority. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this model.

Why don't you pay the money, sign up and see for yourself?

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Devin X

Banned 13 years ago

Quite the opposite is happening, actually. "Blogging" (building authority sites) is fast becoming one of the last things someone can do online that is sustainable and scalable. (in terms of digital marketing)

Oh, and typically, when a guru says something is dying...he is just selling you one of his "shortcuts/systems" which are either outdated or becoming outdated.

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betterwtveter

13 years ago

Wow really? Blogging is definately not dead. I believe it will still be around for a very long time. It is still one of my main streams of income to grow my business.

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sal64

13 years ago

Flogging is not dead!

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AndrewCavanagh

13 years ago

You can make up a pile of threads just by writing:
"Is [insert your IM strategy here] dead?"

And the answer is always: "No it still works just fine
as long as you keep in mind the end user and what
THEY want."

Online high quality, unique, highly targeted content
rules.

That's never going to change and bloggers who are
delivering that are always going to get targeted traffic.

What they do with that traffic is up to them.

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sal64

13 years ago

Andrew,

I think it's actually best to explain what the OP was on about.

Deiss has launched a new product. His premise is that blogging is broken.

He makes a valid point about people spending hundreds of hours writing content that no one sees.

What his product is about is instead of blogging, create an authority site which uses content from established authors and experts. why? Because they have a ready made audience and reach. Reach is somethign that 99% of wannabe bloggers do not have.

So that in itself is a strategy worthy of merit in my opinion. It differs from the usual stuff about how to make money with blogs. For example, people say that you should guest blog for traffic, but if no one reads that person's blog... is it worth the effort? No matter how good your content is.

what I am seeing in the OP is a classic buying objection. He wants to believe but doesn't want to outlay the initial $97. well that's my take on it. Given that the training does teach you how and where to find writers, I don't see this thread as a discussion, but rather a validation seeking comment by the OP.

Sal

Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh

You can make up a pile of threads just by writing:
"Is [insert your IM strategy here] dead?"

And the answer is always: "No it still works just fine
as long as you keep in mind the end user and what
THEY want."

Online high quality, unique, highly targeted content
rules.

That's never going to change and bloggers who are
delivering that are always going to get targeted traffic.

What they do with that traffic is up to them.

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celente

13 years ago

so funny this horse shit comes out about every 4 weeks nowadays. Learn to put your blinkers on, and do some work. Otherwise, you will get nothing done.

Blogging for us even after the google updates is working better, becuase all the trashy and auto crap blogs get penalized at present and moved us up in rankings.

So no blogging does not work the same any more, if you give your blog good content, it will work EVEN BETTER THAN BEFORE!

There I said it.

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sal64 13 years ago

Originally Posted by celente

So no blogging does not work the same any more, if you give your blog good content, it will work EVEN BETTER THAN BEFORE!

There I said it.

well cut my legs off at the knees and call me a tripod!

This is exactly what the product / video in question is all about.
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John Romaine

13 years ago

People want results without any effort.

"I know, I'll just rehash someones else's crap in order to get my face in front of someone elses audience because I don't have time to create my own content....."

Total laziness.

Established marketers push this stuff because they know it sells - because people are dumb enough to buy into it. That's the bottom line.

Their target market are people that want instant riches, want push button results, want to invest in shortcuts.

Guess what?

They make the sales, they sell you this garbage, then 12 months later, you're here posting on Warriorforums saying "I remember that course, I wasted $5,000 on it, but I lost interest and gave up, or ...it didn't work, and I gave up .....or, it was a waste of time and money"

Meanwhile, the same "expert" is rehashing the next piece of bullshit to sell you the same rubbish all over again.

And so the cycle continues, over and over and over.

I've been at this now since 2004, and I can tell you in all honesty - if you want to make money online - quit chasing bullshit. Get to work. There is no easy way.

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MarkBrook

13 years ago

wooopss how come blogging is dead until unless you are producing uniqueness and quality it will never every going anywhere but if you are still supning or copy pasting yes it will dead for you.

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edlewis 13 years ago

Alot of negativity in this thread...especially considering that most of those complaining don't even seem to have the slightest grasp of the nature of the product being discussed.

That's the really funny thing...

For one, I'm pretty sure he didn't say "dead", but "broken"...

Anyone who has been around for even a little while knows this is just a way to rile people up and get attention. But that doesn't also mean there isn't some validity to it.

It also doesn't mean that "blogging" in a traditional sense won't work for people...

What's being talked about here is taking a different look at things...looking at this more like a publisher than a writer or blogger.

You're still going to use WordPress (unless maybe you prefer Joomla), and you are still going to be publishing content...some of it may even be your own....while some of it may be content you pay outsourcers for...and some that you pay "experts" for.

It's really not much different than "blogging", if you want to be honest. More like a "twist" on it.

There are advantages and disadvantages to using this model...

One disadvantage would be COST....it will cost you some startup money to get a site like this going because you will be paying for content. Obviously, if you are an expert and want to start your own personal blog...cost is hardly a factor as you can build it with WordPress and a theme(free or premium) and start filling it with all of your own content almost immediately.

An advantage though is that you don't necessarily need to be an "expert" to start. If you decide to use this model in the "Paleo Diet" niche, you don't need to be an "expert" like Robb Wolf or Mark Sisson. You can build more of a "magazine"-style of site and leverage the authority of others instead.

It's no different than the "reporter" strategy Allen Says talked about YEARS ago...or the idea of having an infoproduct or book/ebook created by interviewing an "expert".

The idea itself is hardly "new"...in fact, it's just taking the whole "guest blogging" idea and spinning it on it's head a little bit.

BOTH of these models are legit...in fact, in a way they both help support the other in the long run.

Those who build authority sites like this need "bloggers" for content, and experts with their own traditional blogs can use the authority sites to get PAID for content while also getting prestige, validation, and even traffic.

It's a win-win...not a "zero sum" game here.

Last point....

The idea that this is somehow a "get-rich-quick" idea is kind of funny...

Here is a guy talking about building a site that is MORE than just a "blog" and more like an online magazine....talking about paying for content, not the latest "whiz-bang" SEO trick, scheme, or push-button software....talking about investing money and building a brand, a list, and a business, not just slapping up affiliate ads everywhere(aka "thin affiliate sites")....

...and this is what is labeled as "get-rich-quick"?

I gotta be honest with ya...that's confusing as all hell to me.
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jentheray

13 years ago

At the end of the day it comes down to results. As others have said, there are many people—warrior forum members included—who still generate big numbers using blogs. However, one of the biggest things we have to do to make money in IM is diversify. So I would say if you are already making money and have the capital to reinvest in building your online presence, why not do both? Having an “authoritative” website that’s bringing in organic traffic is always a good thing. So diversify, split test and see what happens. Don’t be too quick to believe everything you hear; everyone has their own agenda. Consider the source of the information, and unless the person has results backing their information it’s not worth listening. Numbers don’t lie.

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sal64

13 years ago

There's a lot of ego, if not testosterone in some of the replies on here.

Perhaps people should understand the product first before canning it. Of course blogging is not dead. all we have is blogging with a twist to maximize visitors and rankings. But hey, just because a successful marketer comes out with it, then it must be crap.

Like any method, it will only be as good as you make it. But at least understand what it is before spouting off BS criticism and big noting oneself.

For the record, the methods and product both have merit.

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mindtricks18

Banned 13 years ago

Don't think about it " that Blogging Is Dead", you should Always think to develop high quality article (content) , It is very important to write quality posts for your blog. search Engine can filter to poor quality and duplicate content not block to search any quality content .

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edlewis 13 years ago

One more thing...

There can also be hybrid's using this model...not everything is black-and-white.

Two examples off the top of my head are CopyBlogger and Pat Flynn.

CopyBlogger takes the concept of "content marketing" to another level, something talked about with this model too. They also don't slap up ads everywhere that lead visitors away from their site, instead choosing to use that space to really focus on listbuilding and promoting their own stuff.

It's not a site built around one person..it's more of a brand.

You may look at Pat Flynn as just a "blogger", but he's more of a hybrid. For one, he uses other people's content on his site especially in the form of his podcast.

However, unlike CopyBlogger he has built his brand around himself. There are clearly some advantages to this, and some possible disadvantages.

Neither model is "dead"...and it's not one or the other, it can even be a combo of both.
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13 years ago

Blogging is booming and is not dead for the time being and is also not going anywhere. It's just a phrase to bring awareness that blogging is a stream to make good amount of money.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by frank1475

I have just watched a sales video by Ryan Deiss where he claimed that blogging was dead. He was talking about building authority websites by finding and paying writers, who already have a following in their niche, to write for your site. Ryan claims that not only are you buying content but also traffic since these writers will put out lots of social signals to their following about their posts on your site. Doing the same with a number of writers gets lots of social signals pointing back at your site and gives it lots of authority in Google's eyes. It is then up to the sire owner to monetise this traffic. The first problem I see is getting people to write for a site that is new and has no authority. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this model.

Will you believe every crap told by IMers who always try to sell you something ?

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13 years ago

Not only is blogging dead but so is...

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celente

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Not only is blogging dead but so is...

Charlie Chaplin
Hula Hoops
Silly Putty
Drive In Movies
The Ben Afleck Fan Club
The Brady Bunch
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The only things I wish would die, would be the THE DEATH OF..... threads.

I mean seriously...comon!

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Anne0521 13 years ago

Nope...I don't think so!

Blogging helps a lot of people earn money..blogging is still effective and many internet marketers use it till this day to promote their products. Of course you have to start from the scratch being a new site and all, you need to build a strong follower. Just post quality contents constantly to make your blog active. If you build your site with SEO in mind then its better.
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newmarket 13 years ago

Yes, it past away tomorrow.
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RogozRazvan

13 years ago

For this guy (Deiss) everything is dead as long as he's got something to sell. This is why I've stopped following his updates long time ago - he's like the 5PM news.

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deekay

13 years ago

How blogging started--- Blogging is nothing but extension of static websites which we still see on internet. Blogging or web logging just gave a twist in presentation of information in unique and personal way.
But with the advent of social media sice 2010 now blogging or just any website has got new dimension i.e. social presence. Ryan deiss concept is making use of this dimension in you site or blog to reach broader audience in your niche.
You can carry on with your individual blog posts as usual but if you apply this strategy then you will increase your traffic manifold.
This concept will benefit you in multiple way...
SEO- as your social presence will increase by riding the social benefit of your guest authors, you will get boost in your social SEO
Traffic- as you will receive traffic from your normal visitors as well as additional traffic from authors following
Money- boost in your revenue from increase in traffic
Work Load- You just have to select high profile authors for your guest posts OR if your receive any guest post request then select author with high social media presence....

Please add more benefits from this strategy...

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fated82

13 years ago

No, blogging is not dead. I have built significant traffic using my blog. It's still alive and kicking.

I like the idea though, hiring influential blogger to blog for us.

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Dazzling Content

13 years ago

What he's saying is still blogging. Of course, he's just trying to stir controversy to hype up his product. Marketers do it all the time.

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infoway

13 years ago

Blogging won't ever die. Bloggers or blogging will remain alive to make money. To improve personal or professional networking blogging won't ever die.

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fin

13 years ago

It's definitely a weird strategy to be promoting to dream chasers.

Will they have enough money to pay bloggers with big audiences to write for them? Will they feckle.

It would cost hundreds and hundreds to persuade someone with a name to write for you + pimp you around to everyone they know.

It would take a lot of articles to build up an audience for yourself and that's only if your blog is good enough that they want to come back.

Or you could guest post on blogs that have a big audience, which might take longer but you wouldn't be throwing $10,000 around to try and get an audience.

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JohnMcCabe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fin

It's definitely a weird strategy to be promoting to dream chasers.

Will they have enough money to pay bloggers with big audiences to write for them? Will they feckle.

Somehow I doubt this is a major concern for Deiss and company. As long as they can scrape up the initial $97, anything that happens after that is not his concern. If they jump in without sufficient resources, who is to blame?

It's the old "run the whole school into the net and sort out the bycatch later" maneuver.

Like I said before, same old, same old...

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sal64

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Somehow I doubt this is a major concern for Deiss and company. As long as they can scrape up the initial $97, anything that happens after that is not his concern. If they jump in without sufficient resources, who is to blame?

It's the old "run the whole school into the net and sort out the bycatch later" maneuver.

Like I said before, same old, same old...

Actually he is up front about there being costs involved. Namely to pay writers. In fact, this si one of the most hype free promos I have seen in along while (yeah clever marketing etc). But at least he is up front about it.

His claim is that it will cost to get writers, but he shows you how to do it. some have stated that good marketers only write and publish for themselves, but this isn't targeted at getting good marketers to write for you. It's about other niches, and approaching recognized experts / authors in that industry.

Entrepreneur.com is a great example of this type of site. My friend is a twice author about social media, so is considered an expert. But he isn't a household name. But they are still happy for him to write articles for him, and he gets additional exposure for his books.

Although I doubt it, I hope this clarifies things somewhat.

Sal

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fin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

Entrepreneur.com is a great example of this type of site.

Great example.

I'm sure people buying the product will have a site as big as Entrepreneur.com.

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sal64

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fin

Great example.

I'm sure people buying the product will have a site as big as Entrepreneur.com.

Probably not... then again, he's not promising they will. Once again, another case of taking a comment out of context and seeing what you want to see. I gave the example of a site that accepts authorities to write for them and the relationship it creates with my friend who contributes. Never said that everyone will end up having a site like this.

For the record...

I am not endorsing Deiss or anyone else for that matter. Nor do I advocate that people accept claims etc on face value.

what i do believe, however is that one should always keep an open mind and be open to new ideas. You never know what you may learn.

If you or anyone else do something successfully and then create a how-to product around it to make money, then I don't see the problem with that at all.

But to simply dismiss a product / marketer without knowing a product etc or simply because they are looked upon as Gurus is myopic at best and arrogant at worst.

So do we have a discussion on the merits of blogging in today's context or do we have the usual race to the bottom of guru bashing and people spewing their own hate without any factual base for their comments? Obviously it's the latter.

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fin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

Probably not... then again, he's not promising they will.

True.

No doubt the technique must work in some way. If people have the money to pay for writers then good luck to them.

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sal64

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fin

True.

No doubt the technique must work in some way. If people have the money to pay for writers then good luck to them.

Just on that topic...

what are your expectations of payment fees for writers?

how does this differ from just paying hacks to write stuff (which most do)?

Does it make sense that having an article published on your blog by an expert as opposed to just you, would have more cred?

And even if you pay for the article (assuming no one does it for free), what is the cost per lead associated with the article as opposed to the usual article marketing, solo ads, ppc, the latest SEP deal etc?

My main point here is that it is part of an overall marketing strategy, and not the holy grail itself.

Finally, we are in business and we invest in marketing and promotion. That should be a given on here. So let me ask you... if you had to pay $100 for an article from an expert in your market... who had a few hundred if not thousand followers on facebook and twitter, high back link juice and potential targeted traffic to your site to read the article (unique content of course)... is it worth the investment? Assuming once again that you have a funnel and capture form etc on your site.

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fin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

Just on that topic...

what are your expectations of payment fees for writers?

how does this differ from just paying hacks to write stuff (which most do)?

Does it make sense that having an article published on your blog by an expert as opposed to just you, would have more cred?

And even if you pay for the article (assuming no one does it for free), what is the cost per lead associated with the article as opposed to the usual article marketing, solo ads, ppc, the latest SEP deal etc?

My main point here is that it is part of an overall marketing strategy, and not the holy grail itself.

Finally, we are in business and we invest in marketing and promotion. That should be a given on here. So let me ask you... if you had to pay $100 for an article from an expert in your market... who had a few hundred if not thousand followers on facebook and twitter, high back link juice and potential targeted traffic to your site to read the article (unique content of course)... is it worth the investment? Assuming once again that you have a funnel and capture form etc on your site.

Sal

I think it's something that would would require testing.

I can't personally see any expert with a big enough following writing articles for a basic site and only charging $100.

I also can't see any results from a few thousand Twitter followers.

But I'm sure someone would start small and work their way up.

It might be different on a more established site.

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Rich Lowe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fin

It's definitely a weird strategy to be promoting to dream chasers.

Will they have enough money to pay bloggers with big audiences to write for them? Will they feckle.

It would cost hundreds and hundreds to persuade someone with a name to write for you + pimp you around to everyone they know.

It would take a lot of articles to build up an audience for yourself and that's only if your blog is good enough that they want to come back.

Or you could guest post on blogs that have a big audience, which might take longer but you wouldn't be throwing $10,000 around to try and get an audience.

Hello Fin,

Absolutely SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!

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John Romaine

13 years ago

Established marketers are smart enough to know they only publish to their own properties, OR to properties that are going to HELP THEM.

Its highly unlikely that any big names are going to sit down and write you a 800 word article because you asked nicely.

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fin 13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

OR to properties that are going to HELP THEM.

This is the important part. Some big bloggers do it, but only on bigger blogs.

I'm not suggesting a big blogger couldn't be persuaded to write an article for a pr0 site with zero traffic, but I wonder how much they'd need to get paid if they're already making a full-time income.
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sal64

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Established marketers are smart enough to know they only publish to their own properties, OR to properties that are going to HELP THEM.

Its highly unlikely that any big names are going to sit down and write you a 800 word article because you asked nicely.

Once again, a half arsed opinion based on a lack of knowledge of the product.

Keep it up mate.

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John Romaine 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

Once again, a half arsed opinion

Tell that to Seth Godin when you ask him to create content for you, or perhaps James Schramko.
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- sal64 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by John Romaine
  
  Tell that to Seth Godin when you ask him to create content for you, or perhaps James Schramko.
  
  And again! Keep going mate. Why the hell would I approach Godin or Schramko... or even Chow for that matter when my market may well be outside blogging or IM? DUH!!!
  
  See now you are making assertions and half arsed assumptions again. Can you honestly prove to me 100% that there are not experts out there who are not willing to provide content for your site?
  
  Once again you are talking out of your arse... assuming to know all when you are in fact uniformed.
  
  Question for you...
  
  Do you have the product in question? If not, what makes you qualified to comment on it or the strategies? Better yet, are you fully aware of what the promise is?
  
  See this is what happens when people shoot off their mouth before engaging their brains.
  
  As for Deis positioning himself using the dead angle, it's no different than how you position yourself as the anti-guru guru in order to sell more products. No better - no worse.
  
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Rich Lowe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Established marketers are smart enough to know they only publish to their own properties, OR to properties that are going to HELP THEM.

Its highly unlikely that any big names are going to sit down and write you a 800 word article because you asked nicely.

Well said, John.

A friend of mine who works for Google says some of the employees are laughing their heads off at Ryan's video and say he couldn't be further from the truth.

Interesting!

Rich

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Shaamj

13 years ago

I think blogging is one of the strongest methods of online marketing. If you starting out I would suggest that you dont focus to much on blogging at fist but rather writing 2-3 posts a week and then focus on guest posting because theres no use in writing a bunch of articles every week when theres no one to read it