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11 years ago

my 2 cents:

finish the course, its a skill. Although that i don't know what they're teaching you there but it could be useful later.

You are earning around 800+ permonth which is great. If you end up working 9-5 you will still be paid and you can make more money by scaling it up from the salary you get to your IM.

For me, I will only quit my job if I can get around USD10K permonth that is around MYR30K. Coming from all sorts of sources of income.

Plus when you work, you can build network out of friends at work (not mlm, just network of friends)

I think that's all.

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vtotheyouknow

11 years ago

Follow your deepest personal truth. Go inside and ask yourself "what do I want?", "what do *I* want?" and do that. Never sacrifice your truth for the sake of making other people comfortable, your parents included. This is your life, brother.

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sscot

11 years ago

Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow

Follow your deepest personal truth. Go inside and ask yourself "what do I want?", "what do *I* want?" and do that. Never sacrifice your truth for the sake of making other people comfortable, your parents included. This is your life, brother.

As I feel, this isn't a good advice.

The OP is still very young and growing man who's around 20 yrs as I guess. If he has already acquired some appreciable success as Internet marketer, yet, he is NOT matured to take most accurate decisions about the life.

Follow your deepest personal truth

Agree, a well matured person can take good decisions via deepest personal truths but that's impossible for a guy who's with lack of awareness and experiences about various parameters of the life.

Including his parents as well as 90% of warriors are suggesting him that go to college and complete the education. Dear OP, for a great future, you have to follow the opinion of majority.

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vtotheyouknow 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sscot

Dear OP, for a great future, you have to follow the opinion of majority.

Really? Is that what great man do: follow the majority?
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- sscot 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow
  
  Really? Is that what great man do: follow the majority?
  
  follow the majority, it belongs to people who're answering here in this forum. Means, what is the suggestion of majority of warrior members. I haven't considered people in outside as well as what they do.:p
  
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sscot

11 years ago

You MUST go college and complete the degree. Next, you can decide that whether is it 9-5 job or Internet marketing. If you're not happy with the course what you're doing right now, follow another degree course. How important the education is?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sscot

You MUST go college and complete the degree. Next, you can decide that whether is it 9-5 job or Internet marketing. If you're not happy with the course what you're doing right now, follow another degree course. How important the education is?

Why "MUST" he?

It's not a requirement for your future.

I know of very few people that have attended college and have gone in the path they set out to originally.

It can definitely be a great thing.. but if it's not something you want to do.. don't do it.

When you aren't passionate about something you aren't going to be learning skills you are just going to be writing essays, completing tests, and doing tasks that you personally have lost interest in.

You've already decided what you want to do.. and it's not the end of the world either way you go. But it's your choice to take action.

We can give you advice and direct you where we think you should go, but it's decision, don't let anyone else pressure you into something you don't want to do.

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sscot 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Justin Says

Why "MUST" he?

Due to my point of view, it (Degree) gives you a VALUE. Unfortunately, you can't understand it without a Degree.
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- Justin Says 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by sscot
  
  Due to my point of view, it (Degree) gives you a VALUE. Unfortunately, you can't understand it without a Degree.
  
  I understand value for sure. But someone with strictly a "degree" without actually learning the true skills isn't as valuable as you might think. I'm not saying he wouldn't acquire the skills, but rather someone who isn't as invested isn't going to be as valuable in the industry.
  
  A degree can do great things, yes. But so can skills. So it's not a "requirement" or a "MUST HAVE" like you imply. I don't know of many people who are successful (at least in my inner circles, friendships, etc.) that have actually used a degree to get them to where they are today.
  
  The main reason my friends have succeeded is because they either work smart, have some form of charisma, or have networked with someone in their field.
  
  And of that's that do have a degree... at least from what I've seen out of hundreds/thousands of people over the years.. not many have jobs better than a restaurant, grocery store, fast food, pizza joint, or other entry level jobs..
  
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Gengis

11 years ago

I will not tell you what to do because you are a grown man but I will advice you to stay in college and finish what you started. If you quit now what else will you quit later in life because when you quit once it becomes easier and easier in life.

It will be something to fall back on if ever needed and in an industry that is growing. You can still grow your online business on the side successfully like many of us have.

$800 a month seems good now but honestly it is nothing when you go out in the real world and want to drive a nice car, have a nice house in a good neighborhood, have a family, travel , eat out and pay your bills as well as have some left for investing.

You are a young man who should have the energy and will to bust your ass in school and bust your ass building a successful online business on the side with no problem.

Don't get me wrong if during your business online you come up with a breakthrough and are the next Mark Zuckerberg then of course quitting school wouldn't be such a horrible idea lol, but until then continue because 3 yrs is nothing compared to the long life ahead of you.

Good luck bud,

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Miguelito203

11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

The truth is that there are only a handful of careers that you can go into a pretty much know that will be financially stable as an employee. All the rest of them leave you poor, broke, and busted. Most people just work as employees because that's what they've been taught to do and live with the expectation they will struggle until they die. With that said, it also depends on what you plan to do with your degree.

Some people get degrees in certain fields because they know that they will eventually use said knowledge in said industry when open their own businesses. For example, a registered nurse can make decent money with just an Associate's degree, but he/she will make a lot more if he/she gets an advanced degree and goes into private practice.

One thing I have noticed is that lots of "artsy" people don't seem to the struggle that a lot of others do. Many of them just seem to know what they want to do and pursue the heck out of it until they reach their goals. Even nowadays, though, lots of them get degrees in their area of study so they can teach as a backup and/or while pursuing their goals.

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HamzaW

11 years ago

I know exactly how tempting it is to follow your dreams and forget reality. Been there, done that. Multiple times.

I dropped out of the 4th year of my computing degree to take a fantastic job with loads of money, and then went back with my tail between my legs to finish it once everything went pear shaped in the dotcom crash.

Now I'm all (partly) grown up and have a family and I'm in a certain place in the world for their sake, where it just so happens that it's almost impossible to be here without a degree certificate. So 12 years later I'm very glad I went back and finished my studies.

So my sincere advice to you is complete your college degree and then do whatever you want - you don't have to jump straight into a job. I actually started a business during my final year at college and went on to run it full-time for the next 6 years.

Just finish the thing and keep your options open. Your 35 year old self will be very pleased you did.

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conanedo

11 years ago

Just go with with you mom told, you should make her a proud a little.. for IM you don't need to put all your time, maybe 1-2 hour are enogh.. there is many way or tool to automate or outsource your job.. Maybe read 4 hour workweek can enlight you a little before you make a decision

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nmcc

11 years ago

Who says you have to do a 9-5 job with your degree - you could combine your computing & IM skills and setup some really cool offline businesses of your own?

If you ditch the degree now, you remove a choice that you have. Finish the degree, enjoy the income you have now, when you graduate, travel & think but above all, try things out.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

That doesn't matter, anyway: with rare exceptions, education isn't about using the specific "things you learn".

It's about what's left with you after all that detail has been forgotten.

Originally Posted by diizzle

What is the warriors opinion on college?

My opinion on this subject is often in a minority in the Warrior Forum, where the small, self-selected group who discuss "education" inevitably includes a preponderance of people who take an entirely different view of "formal, academic education" from mine; they typically think of higher education broadly in terms of its income potential, whereas I think of it in terms of developing the judgement, learning-skills and analytical skills necessary to apply to new and different and unrelated situations. For "running a business", those are invaluable skills.

I'm probably significantly undereducated, for internet marketing and especially for its technical aspects, compared with many people here than whom I'm actually far more successful. But I don't think that matters at all: the reality is that for me, being highly educated in the formal, academic sense has helped me enormously and is far more important, in my opinion. Once you're trained to develop the judgement, learning-skills and analytical skills necessary to apply to new and different and unrelated situations, most of the other, practical stuff you really need is relatively easily picked up.

I think people who complete their college education are (for many reasons, some obvious and some very far from obvious) overwhelmingly more likely to be successful.

This has been reliably proven, over and over again, for over 100 years now, in the countries in which statistical records are kept (and that's a lot of countries). It's simply incontrovertible fact.

It's true however often rare, exceptional, anecdotal evidence like that of Mr. Gates and Mr. Zuckerberg is mentioned in such conversations.

I think it's very easy significantly to underestimate the extent to which education (of various kinds) is beneficial to "being a successful internet marketer". I also think, overall, that in spite of the undeniable reality that some entirely uneducated people have become very successful through internet marketing, one typically hears far more about the rare exceptions than about the norms: everyone's quick to tell you that Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg aren't college graduates, but they're often a little less enthusiastic about hearing that they were both people with impeccable academic credentials who had no trouble getting into Harvard in the first place, and they both attribute their own success, in large part, to that fact and partly to being lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time.

Originally Posted by diizzle

I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing

Those possibilities are not running away.

Originally Posted by diizzle

Is it really worth it?

Yes.

Don't drop out of college.

There's no real long-term advantage to doing that, and you know it, really.

Switch degree courses if you really can't stand the one you're doing. In the long run it doesn't normally matter much exactly what you study and exactly what degree you get. It's completing one that matters.

The Myth of the Successful College Dropout: Why It Could Make Millions of Young Americans Poorer - Robert J. Zimmer - The Atlantic

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alksense

11 years ago

I went to college and got a 4 year degree in marketing and management but I didn't go for the doors the degree would open for me, I went because I wanted the college experience.

I knew I was going to own my business after I graduated but I thoroughly enjoyed every minute I was there so I waited until I graduated to start my first business (which I actually started with someone who I met while I was in school).

If you really aren't enjoying it I would say stop going now and save yourself (or whoever is paying for it) some money. Just make sure that $800 goes up In a big way real fast because I'm sure your parents don't want you living at home with no real income.

Good luck with whatever path you choose.
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aronima

11 years ago

Originally Posted by alksense

I went to college and got a 4 year degree in marketing and management but I didn't go for the doors the degree would open for me, I went because I wanted the college experience.

I knew I was going to own my business after I graduated but I thoroughly enjoyed every minute I was there so I waited until I graduated to start my first business (which I actually started with someone who I met while I was in school).

If you really aren't enjoying it I would say stop going now and save yourself (or whoever is paying for it) some money. Just make sure that $800 goes up In a big way real fast because I'm sure your parents don't want you living at home with no real income.

Good luck with whatever path you choose.
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pewpewpewmonkeys

11 years ago

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

Oh, you mean you hate work? Because what you just said was what work basically is - even if you're working for yourself. 9-5? It's 6:40 am and I never went to bed last night. Being told what to do? I'm about to develop split personality because of the 1 part of my brain that forces, tricks, motivates the other side that's lazy/faking it.

"another sheep in the heard" - You mean another human working hard to make a means of living.
Moooooo.

If you really dislike it that much, then knock off for a semester. Devote all your time to the area of IM you want, and see if it works for you. When it doesn't, go back to school. I would LOVE to have a BS in Computer Science right now.

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salegurus

11 years ago

It's amazing how many times this question comes up.
And most times the answers are split down the middle, those who say stay in college
and those who say leave college because you don't need a degree to make it...

The unemployment rate for high school grads is double that of college grads, college grads are also payed more on average and their chances of advancement is much better.

My neighbor who has been working for Ikea for 12 years was told recently that she has basically reached her limit as far as advancement in the company because she did not finish college. She told me yesterday that she has decided to complete her diploma, although now it's more difficult as she has to work and run the household while attending classes.

Now there are people who will say, "follow your dreams", "drop out and do what makes you happy", "you don't need a degree to be successful"...
Well all that does not pay the bills, there are very successful college dropouts but they are few and far between, and yeah you could make it in IM but then you would have to be in the top few percent...

Anyway, ultimately it's your decision...

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funkynassau

11 years ago

I say stick with college. Can you switch courses to something you'd like better? You only have one year in so far, so perhaps a change of direction is possible. My son got a degree in biz marketing at college and it was the best thing he ever did for himself, at least so far. $800. a month wont pay rent once you move out on your own, so you need that education in order to make more money. Short term pain for long term gain.

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JohnMcCabe 11 years ago

I'm in kind of a unique position here, maybe. I've done both.

I've quit a program that didn't turn me on to go get rich on my own. That worked out so well that a few years later, I went back and got a degree in a totally different area.

For the record, I'm in lockstep agreement with Alexa with this one. The process of acquiring education is more important than what classes you take. And that process is well worth going through, regardless of what you pursue afterwards.

If computer science isn't your thing, spend a term taking classes just for the heck of it, electives that will let you explore what's available. That's why most colleges and universities have programs that require a certain number of electives across different areas.

If computers really are your thing, take heart. If it's at all similar to my engineering degree, the first two years are spent laying the groundwork for the interesting stuff to come.

Statistically, highly successful college dropouts (the Gates, Dell, Zuckerberg types we all hear about) are like lottery winners and big winners in Las Vegas. They make news because there are so few of them. If it was commonplace, it wouldn't be news.
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KenThompson

11 years ago

Alexa pretty much said it all. You don't want to be stuck behind a desk from 9-5, etc. Well, what if you really loved your work? Loved it so much each day flew by? That is possible. It's just that most people are not in that category. But there's no rule saying you have to be.

The important thing, most critical, is to develop your mind. When you do that, then the entire world becomes more accessible. You will make better decisions in business and other areas of life. And you'll develop your mind best at a university for the most part.

You alluded to the course work being hard. Good. That means you are being pushed and forced to use your brain. Choosing the easy way with no effort is lazy and ultimately puts you at a disadvantage. Embrace the challenges with confidence knowing you can do anything.

If you get a computer science degree, invent something and build a business. Continue with IM and affiliate marketing while in school. More work, sure. But so what?

Learn robotics and artificial intelligence because it's the future. It's also now, but it's wide open for many decades to come.

If you hate computer science, change your major interest of study. Do some soul searching.

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JulieB

11 years ago

I say stick with college, but then again my opinions are a little biased.

In our home, we have a rule: get the college degree first and then you can do whatever you want for your life career. This rule has brought up many silly 'what if' questions from our kids like, "What if I want to join the Army..." or "What if I want to go be a clown?" By the way - the clown question was one of my personal favorites

Our answer is still the same. Get the education first and then you can do whatever you want. I hope this helps!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

I totally feel your pain! It's especially more difficult when you have success and are making $800 per month! Yes you would probably be able to make more if you had all the free time to focus on your business. I speak from experience. I was working in corporate america and my internet business surpassed my full time job income and I was only it doing it part-time. When I finally left, I tripled my online income.

Now with that said, I wouldn't encourage you to jump ship. In college you'll learn some skills you can probably use in your online marketing career that can help you make more money. You may also end up meeting up with some other great people that can become partners or lead to connections you would have never made outside of college.

And although having a degree doesn't have the same advantage it use to, it's better to have it just in case you need to "do some time" in the workforce. So just suck it up for the reasons I mentioned above. Soon enough you'll be out and can proceed with your plan to take over the world!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

I also hate the idea of getting a degree

The problem here is your perception of what it means to be in college.

As Alexa said, there's much more to college than simply getting a piece of paper. It's a learning experience.

Even in your IM career ,there are probably going to be things that you don't want to do that you still have to do.

To me, having a degree can only help. Even if it's not something that you want to pursue, it gives you an option in case your business goes pear shaped.

ALWAYS have a plan B. You will be FAR more likely to get a job with a Computer Science degree if you need to than without one

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Steve B

11 years ago

Dizzle,

My personal opinion for what it's worth . . . (isn't that what you're asking for?)

Finish college. Work hard to immerse yourself in learning for your next three years. The time will fly by and you'll be done before you know it!

I have a college roommate that hated his freshman year. He decided to quit and take a job locally for a pretty good salary at the time. I was kind of jealous at the time - he had money, no "all nighters" studying, and seemed to be happy.

We kept in touch over the years and it slowly became evident to me that he was kind of "topped out" at where he could expect to go in his career. He confided several times that he sort of short changed his career when he dropped out of school.

Originally Posted by diizzle

Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times

Dizzle, I will tell you that Internet marketing is no different. It can also be mentally draining at times! It can also be feast or famine if you don't work hard to create a steady income for yourself.

Originally Posted by diizzle

I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

Yes, that's what my experience was as well. But you know what? It doesn't matter in the least that the facts and figures change. The important thing is what your college education will help you become as an individual. If you apply yourself, you will learn many of life's most important lessons while in college. You'll learn how to study, how to research, how to write, how to work in groups, how to manage your time, how to prepare for events and tests and difficult situations. It will teach you how to be more disciplined, more observant, more dedicated, how to be a self starter and a finisher. I could go on and on.

Of course you can learn these same traits on your own - but most don't bother to give themselves the kind of education that college "forces" on you in a short period of time.

Originally Posted by diizzle

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd.

Think about what you're saying. There's a much greater chance this will happen if you don't finish college than if you stick with it!

What if your Internet marketing career doesn't take off? What if you hit a plateau or a ceiling and decide that Internet marketing is not what you really want or enjoy doing full time? What if you don't end up making much more than the $800/month you're now earning?

Originally Posted by diizzle

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

Is there anyone that loves you more or wants the very best for you in life more than your parents? No. Believe me, they are trying to help you and steer you in the very best direction that they know. They are giving you the very best advice they can. It's good that you recognize that you feel some obligation to your parents. Trust them on this. Understand that your college education will be a blessing to them, and also more importantly, to YOU!

Originally Posted by diizzle

I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing

You are certainly right. But you know what? It is no different with a college education under your belt. You can still do whatever you want after college, including Internet marketing. The difference is this: with a college education a lot of doors will be opened for you that won't be if you have no degree. It's a safety net, or sorts; but of course, a college education is so much more valuable to you as a person for what it will help you become.

Originally Posted by diizzle

All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life?

Dizzle, this is where you are wrong - totally wrong!

You must get beyond your own destructive thinking here. Four years of college "for a piece of paper" could not be further from the truth. If you think that's all the benefit you will have received from getting a college education you need to step back and give yourself a reality check.

Reread Alexa's post above. The piece of paper, though it will certainly help you to get a foot in the door in certain instances, is not what four years of hard work is all about. It's only evidence that you have completed four of the most important years of your life.

I hope you will seriously consider this most important choice. And I really believe that if you look at college as a life changing opportunity to get ahead rather than a temporary boring struggle that is holding you back, it will become a more important priority for your personal development.

The very best to you,

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Josh Monroe

11 years ago

Everyone has said their piece, I'll say mine as a college drop-out.

Like you, I never really wanted to go to college, however my parents did. They said give it a shot, and IF after trying I didn't like it (for whatever reason) they would support my decision.

So, I gave it a year - didn't enjoy it BUT I didn't quit.

I switched courses, you know - just incase it was the subject I didn't like, not "college" itself.

Well, same thing happened.

I sat down and really thought hard and long about my decision.

I came to the conclusion that I just didn't "enjoy" the "academic" side of things etc etc so I decided to start internet marketing.

Luckily, I was already doing IM throughout the "journey", however I wasn't making anywhere near the amount I needed to live on, so I stepped things up.

Now when I look back, I think I made the correct decision.

If you don't want to take the "traditional" route, thats fine BUT that means you have to think outside the box.

For example, I don't envision me doing Internet marketing FOREVER. Why? Too many variables to take into consideration.

So, you gotta start thinking smart and investing wisely.

I would recommend property.

I knew someone who never went to college and was making a decent income with property (so much so that they retired at 30) - So I took them on as a "mentor".

He told me the basics, how to scale things up etc.

So now, I'm starting to invest into the property game to create a nice retirement.

See, you get yourself about 10 properties (which is done following the 5-7 year plan). Once this is done, you've got a income that you can live off.

Plus, in another 5 - 15 years when you come to retire, you've got 10 properties that you can sell (rent pays for the mortgages etc).

So that's my plan as someone who never completed college and took on IM full time.

I suggest that if your going to quit, you come up with a solid plan (and exit strategy) before you take the plunge.

Also money management is key. Keep a good amount of everything you earn as a "nest egg" - you never know.

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Benjamin Ehinger

11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

You will certainly get a variety of different responses and, ultimately, it's your decision. None of the responses you get are wrong or bad, as we all have our own personality, own way of working and own motivations.

I was much like you when I was a little younger and dreaded college. I quit and it took me years to find the skills I now have. I ended up going back and getting an associaites degree and another degree in golf course management (at least it was something I love). My only goal with college was as a back up plan or as a little insurance. I figured it would at least get my foot in the door at a golf course if I was ever desperate and needed a JOB (Just Over Broke).

My advice to you, stay in school as you build up your affiliate marketing/internet marketing business. Skills in computer science are marketable and you don't have to take a 9 to 5 job. You can use your skills to freelance after college and build your affiliate marketing/internet marketing even more with the freedom you're looking for.

I agree, becoming just another sheep in the herd doesn't sound like much fun. However, the degree will also open future doors, if necessary. With a bachelors degree, you can always go onto a masters program in something else if you decide you hate what you're doing or feel called to do something else.

I don't know if you're religious, but if you are, I would also advice that you pray about it. If nothing else, it will help clear your mind and help you make a better decision.

I wish you all the success in the world!

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Raydal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

Do what your Mother says. Mother knows best.

College education is not perfect, especially in this fast pace world,
but education gives you OPTIONS. You can be an affiliate
marketer with or without a college degree, but you can't be
a lot of things without one.

I have 3 college degrees and I don't use them presently, but if the
Warrior forum decides to close there are other doors that my
degrees will open for me.

When you are young and making "easy money" it is tempting to
close the books, but later on you may regret it--like when you
are old like me.

-Ray Edwards

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russbrun

11 years ago

Hey Diizzle

My opinion is college is kinda a waste of time (except to get girls, and for me to wrestle), but I was in the same boat as you. My mom would have always thought I was a failure if I hand't gotten my degree... So, I got mine, and while it hasn't helped me too much, it could be a good backup plan, just in case.

That being said.. if you're taking out student loans (which BTW don't go away even in bankruptcy), I'd probably think twice about going.. I had a wrestling scholarship that paid for my school.

Anyway, here are 2 videos that I LOVE about education vs school.

Why I Hate School But Love Education\|\|Spoken Word...

I Will Not Let An Exam Result Decide My...

Anyway - good luck on your choice... either way, keep moving forward on your business...

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Miguelito203

11 years ago

Originally Posted by russbrun

Hey Diizzle

My opinion is college is kinda a waste of time (except to get girls, and for me to wrestle), but I was in the same boat as you. My mom would have always thought I was a failure if I hand't gotten my degree... So, I got mine, and while it hasn't helped me too much, it could be a good backup plan, just in case.

That being said.. if you're taking out student loans (which BTW don't go away even in bankruptcy), I'd probably think twice about going.. I had a wrestling scholarship that paid for my school.

Anyway, here are 2 videos that I LOVE about education vs school.

Why I Hate School But Love Education||Spoken Word - YouTube

I Will Not Let An Exam Result Decide My Fate||Spoken Word - YouTube

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Suli is awesome. He made a mistake when mentioning "The Big O," though -- an oversight he mentioned in a later interview. He also said that he was going to continue to study law like many of his friends but decided against it because he wasn't passionate about it.

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Gengis

11 years ago

Originally Posted by russbrun

Hey Diizzle

My opinion is college is kinda a waste of time (except to get girls, and for me to wrestle), but I was in the same boat as you. My mom would have always thought I was a failure if I hand't gotten my degree... So, I got mine, and while it hasn't helped me too much, it could be a good backup plan, just in case.

That being said.. if you're taking out student loans (which BTW don't go away even in bankruptcy), I'd probably think twice about going.. I had a wrestling scholarship that paid for my school.

Anyway, here are 2 videos that I LOVE about education vs school.

Why I Hate School But Love Education||Spoken Word - YouTube

I Will Not Let An Exam Result Decide My Fate||Spoken Word - YouTube

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Russell Brunson

Russell Brunson not everyone is a success story like yourself from the get go so this advice is not the greatest for a young kid. He needs to keep his entrepreneur spirits and keep building his business on the side but getting his degree in computer science at a young age and having a nice income to fall back on til he makes it big is better advice in my opinion.

Russell why don't you take him under your wing as an apprentice ? Think about it if the kid already has a quitting attitude and is only making $800 monthly and through affiliate marketing so he's not even a product creator and you know even more than I do that to make it big in the I.M world you need to be a product creator, how can quitting college now help him?

Give us your answer, you're a so called guru in this industry so i'd like to hear your insight.

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russbrun

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Gengis

Russell Brunson not everyone is a success story like yourself from the get go so this advice is not the greatest for a young kid. He needs to keep his entrepreneur spirits and keep building his business on the side but getting his degree in computer science at a young age and having a nice income to fall back on til he makes it big is better advice in my opinion.

Russell why don't you take him under your wing as an apprentice ? Think about it if the kid already has a quitting attitude and is only making $800 monthly and through affiliate marketing so he's not even a product creator and you know even more than I do that to make it big in the I.M world you need to be a product creator, how can quitting college now help him?

Give us your answer, you're a so called guru in this industry so i'd like to hear your insight.

Gengis Suarez

Ha ha... I love it. I WISH I was a success out of the gates.

I spent 2 years between classes studying, applying and doing everything I could figure out to build a business. And after I figured it out, I started to run fast, but my overnight success story took years....

If I didn't have school, I could have done it a LOT faster. I was only in school so I could wrestle and meet girls.

If you're making $800 a month now, you could double it by focusing all of your time on it now.

Anyway - just my thoughts.

Russell Brunson

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Radium

11 years ago

4 years? Is it not possible to speed up your studies?

I have a VQ in Business Information Technology and a FQ in Audio Visual Editing. The former took me 3 years in school and it was basically full of stuff I was already familiar with. The latter took me two years with an apprenticeship contract which is actually a great choice as you get paid a salary while earning a degree. I would not hesitate going for a degree in marketing if I could do it with my own business, but it's currently not in my plans.

For all I know, both of those qualifications required me to attend a lot of utterly boring and useless "courses" that I would personally consider worthless. However, many others do not think the same way. At least now I have something to back me up just in case that proves I'm not a "quitter". After graduating, the apprenticeship contract provided me with a stable long term full time job to fund my IM projects.

I'd say finish what you've started and then do what you want. There's still plenty of time in the future.

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Brenny76065 11 years ago

diizzle,

Why is it, do you think, that it would please your parents for you to finish school? Do you think it might be because they have your best interests at heart?

I have 3 kids. One had graduated college, one is in college, and I fully expect the 3rd to go to college. Did i encourage them to go to school? Yes. Did I force them to go to school? No.

I fully encourage you to stay in school. The 3 remaining years you have will fly by, and then you'll have something that no one can ever take away from you.

Do you need a college degree to be successful? No, I don't think you do.

Will a college degree increase the flexibility for what you do with your life? I do believe so. Twenty years from now, your outlook and circumstances might be completely different.

I encourage you to listen to your parents. I do believe they have your best interests at heart.
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Don Schenk

11 years ago

Hi dizzle,

Hang in there with me for a moment while I relate a story - a true story.

When I was in my first year of high school, I became friends with 4 other fellows. This happened a looooong time ago - 1962.

As such I have had about 50 years to observe what has happened to those friends over the years, and I think their experiences can be enlightening. Yes, we have stayed in touch. We are each 65 years old now.

Fellow #1 went on after high school to attend college for 1 year, quit to take a job, then started his own business on the side. Within a few years he quit the "job" and has been self-employed ever since. He has been quite successful.

Fellow #2 took a job right after finishing high school, did not attend college, started his own business, and also has been quite successful.

Fellow #3 continued through college, then on to earn a master's degree in economics. He has filed for bankruptcy protection more than once, and has almost nothing put away for retirement.

Fellow #4 finished college, then graduate school where he received a master's degree in international finance. He too has been bankrupt a couple times, and is thinking about filing for protection again. He has nothing put away for retirement, works as a server in restaurants, and has a difficult time keeping a job because of his temper.

I am fellow #5. When I was in high school I became interested in being self-employed, and set up a couple businesses. When I was age 17 and 18, there were some weeks where I brought in as much money working for myself as my father brought home from his job as an architectural engineer.

Yes, I completed an undergraduate degree, but afterward simply kept doing what I had been doing for income while I started another business. I have been quite successful.

So, from these observations, I see success - financial success - has to do with what you do, what actions you take, and whether or not you become self-employed. Of course that presumes you have some business sense and knowledge.

Important - the purpose of going through college is for you to learn how to learn on your own. The single best knowledge you will receive from college is how to always continue learning. Never stop learning. Then apply what you learn, and do so in your own business.

In hindsight one mistake I made in college was in not taking any business courses. Doing so could have brought higher success more quickly.

Change your major. Get into something you like, and take some basic business courses. Then be your own boss the rest of your life. It's a good life.

:-Don

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FeelGoodAllDay

11 years ago

If you've ever read the book "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" by millionaire Robert Kiyosaki....

You'll learn quickly that Poor Dad tells you to go to collage and get a good job
-while Rich Dad says learn how money works & have money working for you.

I've been in your shoes my friend, with my family telling me to go to collage & I went -for 2 years majoring in Electrical Engineering while working with Electrical Engineers (who I would be taking their place after I've graduated). However, realizing going this route -I would be getting paid a fixed income for the rest of my life, under the thumb of the "Boss", and being surround by dis-empowered people daily.

Not the lifestyle I had in mind- I started searching for an opportunity to create a lifestyle I designed. I found an internet marketing program. Started learning how internet marketing works -and fell in love. I received mentorship from Internet/Affiliate Marketing millionaires Kevin & Darin Blue, also from personal development coach Jeffery Combs. Looking back now "that decision" has completely changed my life.

Now~ I'm "The Boss" & I'm putting in full-time hours only because I absolutely love what I'm doing. I'm earning a full-time income from home & also when traveling on the go. Entrepreneurship is what should have been taught in schools. I get up every morning ready to improve my skill-sets & level up. Just like when I was 12 years old working on a new video game and loving it!

My recommendation is to "Follow Your Bliss" or "Follow Your Gut Feeling"

Doesn't matter what everyone else thinks. As long as you feel good about it.

If your truly serious about creating a lifestyle you designed, you wont be denied, you'll always find a way.

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DubDubDubDot 11 years ago

The grass is always greener on the other side.

You didn't say whether or not you enjoy the program. If you do, then definitely stick with it. Feeling mentally drained isn't a valid reason to quit. Especially when the bar of entry into something is set so high.

Your $800/mo in affiliate earnings is more than literally 99% of his forum makes, but I would't drop out of college based on the assumption that you can scale that up. $800/mo is nothing. You'll live in a ghetto. If you were currently making $5,000/mo then your dilemma would be a lot more interesting.

Also consider that success online comes and goes very quickly. Most last 3-5 years before a retooling is necessary due to a changing climate. You can literally go from $100,000 a year to $40,000 to $15,000. Things break apart that fast. So you've got to maximize your window of opportunity. That will mean working many more hours than a regular 9-5 job.

Originally Posted by FeelGoodAllDay

If you've ever read the book "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" by millionaire Robert Kiyosaki....

A lot of people have looked into him over the years. There is no evidence of financial success prior to the book. I bring that up because you referred to him as a millionaire, which he likely was not at the time the book came out. Also, it has been proven that there was no rich dad or poor dad. They are fictional scenarios that he lied for years about being real.
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rosalin herrera

11 years ago

Originally Posted by FeelGoodAllDay

If you've ever read the book "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" by millionaire Robert Kiyosaki....

You'll learn quickly that Poor Dad tells you to go to collage and get a good job
-while Rich Dad says learn how money works & have money working for you.

I've been in your shoes my friend, with my family telling me to go to collage & I went -for 2 years majoring in Electrical Engineering while working with Electrical Engineers (who I would be taking their place after I've graduated). However, realizing going this route -I would be getting paid a fixed income for the rest of my life, under the thumb of the "Boss", and being surround by dis-empowered people daily.

Not the lifestyle I had in mind- I started searching for an opportunity to create a lifestyle I designed. I found an internet marketing program. Started learning how internet marketing works -and fell in love. I received mentorship from Internet/Affiliate Marketing millionaires Kevin & Darin Blue, also from personal development coach Jeffery Combs. Looking back now "that decision" has completely changed my life.

Now~ I'm "The Boss" & I'm putting in full-time hours only because I absolutely love what I'm doing. I'm earning a full-time income from home & also when traveling on the go. Entrepreneurship is what should have been taught in schools. I get up every morning ready to improve my skill-sets & level up. Just like when I was 12 years old working on a new video game and loving it!

My recommendation is to "Follow Your Bliss" or "Follow Your Gut Feeling"

Doesn't matter what everyone else thinks. As long as you feel good about it.

If your truly serious about creating a lifestyle you designed, you wont be denied, you'll always find a way.

i totally agree with u! only a few people going into the road not taken.. and im doing the same. and thats what changed my life

p/s : i read that book and i totally love it! :p

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JennySweets

11 years ago

I think you should consider it the same way you would consider it if you were already working 9-5. Even though you aren't earning money from it right now, it's work for you.

You wouldn't (or shouldn't) quit a job until you are earning more online than you were at the job. so ask yourself what is the minimum you would want to / need to earn monthly from a job - then multiply that by 1.5, then quit school when you are consistently making that much for several months (enough time to be sure your methods won't stop producing.)

Just be responsible with your future before you go making drastic changes.

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BillyOzz

11 years ago

dizzle,
I hope you have taken the time to read all the posts. The amount of knowledge you should gather from here is overwhelming. All is sound. As for me what was said by Don Schenk seem to carry a lot of weight with the examples he has used.

I did not attend college and was never incouraged to do so. Lucky for my children (three of which hold degrees) they decided to continue their education. I'm very proud of them.

One of my sons droped out of college to persue a night club management position with high pay. He had always wanted to be in business for himself and I was quit suprised when he made this move. Only by sheer luck did he land a position in which the owner really steped up and put my son along with a partner in a business of their own.
He is very happy with what he is doing but has addmitted to a struggle with the business due to a lack of education. That being said I would conclude that your education will only help you no matter what you decide to do. You may need to take a break. I would place a great deal of importance on Business Management.

Good luck to you

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UnkwnUsr 11 years ago

I know everyone will have a different opinion about this but let me tell you my experience. After high school I wanted to get a good secure job and Computer Science was a very hot field at the time. So I went to local school to get my degree thinking that this would lead to a secure job. Now I had never programmed before college so the final years got pretty tough. When I graduated the Computer Science bubble had burst and there were no entry level jobs. Plus my courses while well rounded didn't make me an expert in any one field or language which is really what employers want. The point being that a degree in itself will not get you a job especially in the Computer Programming world which is very competitive. If you really want to be in that area then this is a reality you face. If you're heart isn't in it then more than likely you will not succeed. If you love IM then I say go with that and you can always pick up what programming skills you need along the way.

Disclaimer:This was just my personal experience, I'm not trying to tell you what to do or not do.
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JohnnyNight

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Art of Marketing

You remind me of one of my favorite movies...Dead Poets Society.

That was a movie about a teacher who taught his students to follow their dreams but there was a tragedy when one of the students opted to end his life rather than face his strict father who already pre planned his future for him.

So with that movie in mind I tread lightly on giving advice.

I personally did attend college...what information I gained from college that I am using today?

That College (tuition, books that are outdated after a single semester, student loans etc) is the ultimate successful marketing tactic/campaign in itself.

Take that as you will.

-Art

Yeah, and that was just a movie... I know of no circumstances where that happened.

Wow, what a downer...

How about we go in a positive direction..

Diizzle - $800, that's awesome, do whatever makes U feel good...

A degree is always nice to have if you feel you can do both, maybe you want switch majors possibly... if not just go to IM..

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amwarner

11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

I went to school, like you, and graduated from my program in 2010. I took Architecture and Construction Engineering. I went out into the work force and found out a few things.

1. I didn't like working for people at all.
2. After I graduated, I sorta didn't enjoy the program I took. It was great in the first 3 years, but by year four, I had enough and wasn't interested in it.
3. I've always been interested in entrepreneurship and deep down, knew that was my path.

I feel your pain with it but keep doing what you're doing. Still continue to do your Affiliate stuff and then when you finish, you'll have that degree. In my case, I have a business, but I've also created a side business based on what I took in school ... so it didn't ALL go to waste.

If you could do something with Computer Science and create your own side business from that, go for it, but if you're making money as well right now, don't stop doing that.

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AlphaWarrior

11 years ago

FWIW, I believe that only those who want to go to college should go. College doesn't guarantee a good high paying job. If fact, right now high school graduates going into skilled labor type of jobs are actually finding jobs easier and making more money than college graduates.

Having said the above, if you think that you want to work in internet marketing in some way and your parents want you to stay in college, why not change your major to business/marketing and take classes that you feel will help you in that area? Use college to learn the knowledge and develop the skills that will help you get to where you want to be.

Good luck!

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Miguelito203

11 years ago

Originally Posted by AlphaWarrior

FWIW, I believe that only those who want to go to college should go. College doesn't guarantee a good high paying job. If fact, right now high school graduates going into skilled labor type of jobs are actually finding jobs easier and making more money than college graduates.

Having said the above, if you think that you want to work in internet marketing in some way and your parents want you to stay in college, why not change your major to business/marketing and take classes that you feel will help you in that area? Use college to learn the knowledge and develop the skills that will help you get to where you want to be.

Good luck!

While you're totally right about college not guaranteeing you a high-paying job (most don't pay crap as an employee), I found that lots of people who go to college do so because they don't want to work in a skilled trade like being a plumber or a construction worker.

Speaking of which, I know people that work in construction that have been doing it for years but don't make that much money. They get laid off on a yearly basis and have to rely on unemployment. I also know people who are plumbers that make good money, but it's because they work their asses off -- own their own businesses constantly have to travel and work way more than 40 hours a week.

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kevbo22

11 years ago

Finish!! Why? Because then you will always have a safety net to fall into if sh*t hits the fan.

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Randall Magwood

11 years ago

Take it from a former Computer Network Technician. Finish school. The time that you spend chasing girls after class and making out... focus on affiliate marketing THEN. But of course make sure you do your homework first. While $800 a month isn't anything to sneeze at.... i still think you should finish school in the field that you're in now. With a computer science degree.... i doubt that you will have a boss watching your every move and hovering over you all the time. They might just give you the keys to the kingdom, go back into their office, and expect you to get the job done everyday. Well... at least that's how it was for me. Take my advice man. A computer science related job + affiliate marketing income? You'll be buying homes in Beverly Hills in no time. Good luck though man no matter what you choose.

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Fazal Mayar

11 years ago

Get your college degree as it will give you an insurance in life. IM isn't stable, your income can vary from months to months. Why not get a job in your field and work on IM on nights and weekends?

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jacktackett

11 years ago

I agree with the Alexa contingent - stay in school. While I'm not as old or as wise as Don, I am over 50, and here's my story:

I am a high school drop out, made it as far as the 10 th grade before leaving to become a janitor. For five years I swept floors and cleaned toilets for minimum wage. At 23 I decided I'd had enough and started working my way through college. My first year out of college with my computer science degree I earned more money in that year than I had earned in my entire life.

I learned a lot, but not just In my profession. I learned how to learn, how to manage my time for both work AND fun, and how to deal with people.

That's probably one of the biggest things I learned how to network, meet with people and deal with them. To do that I didn't just take classes, I participated in a varity of things outside of class, like the theatre, the student entertainment organization(I was the film clubs chair for a while and got to set what films we showed on campus, with some oversite from campus groups and the Man aka the administration, who did veto my spring film Double feature of the last temptation of Christ and Monty pythons life of Brian. )

Get out and meet people, I got to meet a lot of great folks, and a few not so great ones as well.

My final tip is remember your teachers are people too, interact with them. Make sure they know your name, and hopefully in a good way and not from say setting off fireworks during the chancellors commencement speech ( I have no idea who would do something like that :-). I've stayed in touch with several of my teachers over the years and they have been great mentors and friends. Don't be afraid of them, some have an attitude, but most are there to teach and help out.

Good luck, and enjoy the ride!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

You believe you will be able to make money online, but you are not really sure. Many others believed the same, but they only managed to spend money online, even after quitting their job and working online all day and night.

Many people have managed to make money online for a while, but they don't have a regular income.

If I was in your place I would be very afraid to depend only on the internet, especially after all these Google updates, which sent many good websites that were making money for years to the last pages.

I would also be very afraid to depend only on marketing while the world is facing the worst financial crisis we ever had.

You are very lucky because you can go to college. You should not only finish the course you are now, but study a lot more.

You are very lucky because you can study and have a profession. You will become an expert on something. You won't be just anyone.

You should also build your online business in parallel, and perhaps someday decide to work only online, but when you will have a stable income and a very good amount of money in the bank.

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Originally Posted by diizzle

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

From what I've seen and heard...a BS, not BA degree in CS is actually very useful wen it comes to starting a tech company, or seeking employment within a tech company.

I have a degree in Communications and a degree in Philosophy. I have mixed feelings about whether or not it was a smart idea to go to college since I always knew that I would be an entrepreneur. On the one hand, I did learn some things, met some cool people, and get treated more like an adult now with that damned piece of paper. But on the other hand, it was a considerable investment of money and time. I value my time as much as I value my money, so that was 5 years that I sometimes wonder if they were spent well. Never mind the $50,000 it cost me. I went to a state school so I know that isn't terribly expensive when we look at other colleges/universities.

My point here is that I think you should listen to your inner voice rather than what anyone else tells you...including me. I feel your pain, since I often second guessed my decision while I was still a student.

Success is isn't barred by a lack of a degree, and a degree isn't a guarantee of success. It's all up to you. So if you really want to leave school and you're determined to commit to that decision...then do it. If not, finish it up.

Go on a vision quest. Those definitely help with tough decisions.

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MarketMaster13 11 years ago

Making your money from home is a good idea but also completing your college and earning that degree is even equally important since you will gain more knowledge and skills not to get employed but to boost what you are currently doing.
Complete your studies,it will work for you.
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  To the OP ... seriously... here is one thing to consider ... $800 a month is CHUMP CHANGE. $5000/month is chump change.... $10k/month is chump change. $20k/month in some parts of the US is chump change. You are young right now and have a very warped sense of what "making money" is. stay in school.
  
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MatthewM 11 years ago

I would say drop out.

Some people probably look at this is being stupid.

I'm just talking from a matter of experience.

You only will regret it if your truly going to regret it.

You already know now.

I dropped out to pursue other things. By the time I went to college I was already a photoshop master. I was there spending thousands of dollars learning things I already new. Including webdesign, music production, shockwave animation, etc.

I looked at it as a waste of time.

A degree wasn't going to make me money. I was already making good money freelancer. A degree was just going to add more to my debt.

A descent portfolio of tremendous quality will always trumps certification in graphic design anyways.

But now look at the graphics industry. Now any kid with half talent can get a bootleg copy of photoshop and price you right out of the market.

I don't do graphics anymore other than for myself. I basically would have spent 4 years to get certified in something I don't do for a living anymore.

I'm glad I dropped out of college.

My brother on the other hand. He went to the big university for computer science. He is now $60,000 in debt and can't get a job in his field of study for the life of him. His jobs are moving away quickly.

He is now the jealous, bitter brother of the family.

In addition to that he graduated in 2004. He would have to go back to school if he were to get a job. A life time of school. A life time of debt.

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TeamBringIt

11 years ago

Computer sci/programming is a skill to learn. If you do finish your schooling and keep up with IM, then you can make good money. If you do choose, to work a corp, then you can make up to 100ks or more. Now, if you don't want to work for others, work for yourself and create software and sell them. Finish, that degree because it can bring you, lots of opportunities...

The experience, of college is also something that happens once (mostly). Enjoy it and finish it and then move on....

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11 years ago

From what you said on your post it looks like you are really passionate about IM and if you spent the time working on IM instead of going to school you can be making a lot more, possibly more then you would from a job wit your computer science degree. Since this is your second year I am assuming you are about 19/20 years old. You are already making 800+ a month which is pretty good IMO. The key is that you are passionate about IM, you wouldn't mind working long hours doing this stuff and you won't stop until you succeed. On the other hand with the school, it would be a struggle. You wouldn't want to do any of the school work, so might as well spend that time making it work in internet marketing. Not to mention you will be in a lot of debt after college. Good luck with whatever you do.

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  I'm a few months away from getting my degree, and it's been a ride. What with working on my business, keeping up my social life AND doing well in school there have been so many challenges I can't count them all.
  
  I say if the desire to build a future for yourself through a business is still inside you like a fire that never dies, then you might have what it takes to build one.
  
  I've had a lot of business friends come and go. Stuff happens and I get that. But if the motivation to build and maintain a business and outlast you working through school then you can use that persistent mindset in business because you're definitely going to need it.
  
  It was only the last couple months that I personally felt like my time was wasting reading and writing lengthy essays. But I felt it increased my analytic ability to see what others can't see in different situations.
  
  As long as you're in a major that mentally stimulating and challenging for you parts of that problem solving and complex thinking can pass over to your business. You just have to be creative in applying it.
  
  Some say my philosophy BA is worthless, but to me it certainly wont be. My business has only grown while I have been in university, despite tremendous hardships and emotionally draining life CRAP that can shake your sense of purpose.
  
  Just keep the vision of the business in you; your goals and all of that. Visualize what your intended result should be in your ideal life on a daily basis and see how your thoughts materialize into reality.
  
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Dan H Kim

11 years ago

I finished college. But the whole time I was in college, I thought that I could be better spending my time growing a business. I say if you really dread it that much, tell your parents to give you two years. Two years to fully dedicate yourself in online marketing and making more income then they are!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

Rather than looking at college as some type of slavery look at it as opportunity. When you choose your electives and course go for what you like also try to learn some basics, intro to government, fund raising, accounting, finance, science, foreign languages.

Learn to enjoy the experiences. I personally during my college years have met some brilliant people. Writers, dancers, actors, business people etc. Not many can say they were taught advertising by someone who worked for ogilvy, retail by someone who started mergers and acquisitions and dated the Hersheys daughter.

You will meet many movers and shakers during your formal education as well as in the real world you just have to dive in and enjoy the experiences and learn as much as you can any where you can.

As far as WF everyone's got an opinion and usually its based around what their parents were. For example if the parents weren't education there is the high possibility that the children won't be either. And you will be exposed to all the excuses right here on the warriorforum lol. I've really never seen anything like it where in one thread people down formal education, but in other threads they talk about the things they are trying to accomplish not realizing that schools, people and different educational systems can teach them what they need to know.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

Rather than looking at college as some type of slavery look at it as opportunity. When you choose your electives and course go for what you like also try to learn some basics, intro to government, fund raising, accounting, finance, science, foreign languages.

Excellent list Walter, I don't usually agree with many people on college but experiences are also quite important. It's just that most focus on the degree, rather than the opportunities presented in front of them.

I just have to add on to this

Network, network, network!

It's one thing that has changed my life and I know it can change others. Networking is HUGE and the opportunities presented with it are amazing. I mean it's really just building relationships.

Do whatever you can to build those relationships and figure out what people you'd like to bring on into your life in the future.

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Trey Morgan

11 years ago

Hey, I'm also going into my second year of college and sometimes I feel like I should drop it and focus on internet marketing but, I know once it's done it's done. Think of it that way. You already started, might as well finish it.

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nicholasb

11 years ago

don't worry about what everyone else thinks, forget what everyone else thinks and do what makes you happy. Follow your own dreams goals and desires and don't worry about what anyone says.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by nicholasb

forget what everyone else thinks and do what makes you happy

Unfortunately, many of the very best things in life come to us simply because we sacrificed and did things that didn't make us happy at the moment in order to realize the greater reward that awaited us in the future.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve B

Unfortunately, many of the very best things in life come to us simply because we sacrificed and did things that didn't make us happy at the moment in order to realize the greater reward that awaited us in the future.

Steve

At 20, you have no idea what makes you happy (or should I say what "should" make you happy), so I agree with Steve.

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AUKev 11 years ago

There are so many variables involved that it is hard to offer advice without knowing more. The most value I got out of my engineering degree is it helped me become a problem solver. Give me a problem, and I can figure out a way to solve it.

One consideration is how is your school being paid for? Will you have a ton of student loan debt at the end? If you or your parents are able to pay as you go, I would stay in school. Your options become so limited without the degree. If you are creating a wad of student loan debt, then I would certainly consider dropping school and investing that money in your business.
I see people graduating with 6 figure student loan debt with a degree that will help them earn $30K per year. Going to take a long time to repay that debt.

Keep in mind that a full time salary is worth 150% or so in value. Add in insurance, retirement, vacation and holidays and there is more value. So a $40K per year IT job starting out is worth about $60K. I worked for years as an IT contractor where vacation days and holidays were unpaid. That $3K beach vacation turned into $5K due to going unpaid for the week.

As a father of 3 young children, I wonder if college will even be affordable in the coming years.

I can tell you that out of the dozen plus people I know that are 40 and up, that did not finish college, not a single one of them thinks dropping out of college was the right decision at this point in their life. All of them have hit a ceiling at some point in their careers due to not having a degree.

I certainly feel your pain. I work as a software developer in a corporate setting. It is nice having insurance and retirement benefits in the future, but I am miserable. That is why I spend 10-15 hours a week doing affiliate and offline marketing to supplement my income with the hopes of turning it into full time work.

I left the corporate world for 2 years to start an offline business. After dealing with customers, employees and government agencies, I went back to corporate work. Without a degree, I could not have taken off 2 years and gone right back in at the same pay rate where I left.

Good luck with your decision.
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Sarevok

11 years ago

Sup diizle?

I've been exactly where you were just a few years back.

I remember sitting in one of my summer classes, brainstorming some code I was writing for a massive membership site I was about to launch. (The site failed dramatically by the way, but man it was a badass site. Ask me about it sometime).

It was hot, I was getting 0 sleep (due to classes, and my wreckless lifestyle), and was focusing on my entrepreneurial endeavors more than anything else.

My advice?

Ultimately, do what you want.

If you're not passionate about technology, computer science will be boring as hell.

What I did to make it fun? (party a lot, and exercise a ton. Also, make some friends with the pretty ladies. And the guys who know how to have fun.. Know what I'm saying there boss?).

Also.. If you find the workload to be too much.. TAKE LESS CLASSES BRO!

Years later I'm still in graduate school, taking my sweet ass time.

What's the rush man?

College is worth it.

And if you're in computer science / it / information systems?

Your efforts as an online entrepreneur will be more potent.

And even if you fail as an entrepreneur, you still have a nice bachelor of science.

You'll be worth some bank later.

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

PS: And, do what I did.. APPLY TO EVERY SCHOLARSHIP AND GRANT YOU CAN FIND.

If I told you how much $ in scholarships / grants I made in my undergrad degree, you either wouldn't believe me or be pissed that you haven't been writing elite level essays and applying for every scholarship/grant you can find.

Not to mention all the free stuff you can get through microsoft @dreamspark.

If I were you? I'd tough it out.

Unless, what I say hasn't motivated you.. Then you're just not passionate about it.

Remember though; you can always work on your entrepreneurial stuff while still in school. (I used to promote my sites while in classes, fun times).

And.. If the workload is seriously stressing? TAKE LESS CLASSES.

Hope that helps you find your path.. Whatever you may choose.

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Banned 11 years ago

Stay in school. At the end of the day you need a Plan B and only a paper that says you went to school is going to get you through. That's all you need to know.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

You're going to get a lot of opinions on this, but here's my take:

1. Having a degree will never hurt you.
2. Not having a degree CAN hurt you.

Dedicate yourself to Internet Marketing AFTER you've finished school. You never know what the economy will throw at you. I'm 34 and have had my ups and downs over the years. I've always been a serial entrepreneur, but not all of my ventures have been as successful as what I'm doing now. There were times I had to tolerate the 9 to 5 grind while working on my next venture, and that will inevitably happen to you at some point too. So the question you need to ask yourself right now is when that happens, do you want to be doing grunt labor or other "unskilled" low-paying work to pay the bills? Or do you want to have the "piece of paper" that will automatically deem you "qualified" for a $120k job?

All other factors aside, it's better to have it than not have it. Even if you never use it. What happens if your venture is wildly successful and you reach the point where you need to grow, hire employees, and attract outside capital? Think they're going to invest a couple million bucks in someone who doesn't have a degree? Sure, they will - but they're going to take a bigger piece of the pie, and want to put their guy in to run the company.

Paper qualifications matter. Stay the course. You know all of those people that say "Live each day like it's your last"? They are idiots. Live each day like you have to wake up tomorrow and live with the decisions you made today.

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CpvTrafficPro

11 years ago

Your in a tough spot, your making a decent income online but don't know how far it can take you.

That my friend is called risk, something every business owner has to acknowledge and deal with everyday.

My personal opinion would be to stay in school bc you never know how that degree or just 1 class could change everything. I was college student when I first started as well and I made the mistake of quiting IM to go into a internship. After a year of that I wanted back into the IM world bc of all the amazing perks.

Stay in school and in your downtime find out how to scale your income where you could live off of it with a degree or not. There's no point in giving up on school, when you don't have (IMO) a good enough reason to stop and focus just on IM

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diizzle

11 years ago

Can't thank everyone enough for all the replies ITT

I have been reading it everyday since I created the thread and there is always new replies from warriors offering there advice and experience.

As much as I want to give my all to my IM business I have realised with the current position I am in it would be foolish not to finish my education and get my degree.

I fully believe in my own abilities in eventually starting my own businesses and working for myself on my own terms without the need of my college degree, I thought about it and realised it doesn't matter how much you believe in yourself it's all about results at the end of the day and I cannot sit here and say with 100% certainty I am am going to be successful, no one can.

I do want to do my parents proud, I will be out of college right when I turn 24, after that I have my whole life ahead of me, my degree will be my safety net, but hopefully not just that, hopefully I can take out a real sense of achievement and experience with it as warriors have stated ITT

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Can't thank everyone enough for all the replies ITT

I have been reading it everyday since I created the thread and there is always new replies from warriors offering there advice and experience.

As much as I want to give my all to my IM business I have realised with the current position I am in it would be foolish not to finish my education and get my degree.

I fully believe in my own abilities in eventually starting my own businesses and working for myself on my own terms without the need of my college degree, I thought about it and realised it doesn't matter how much you believe in yourself it's all about results at the end of the day and I cannot sit here and say with 100% certainty I am am going to be successful, no one can.

I do want to do my parents proud, I will be out of college right when I turn 24, after that I have my whole life ahead of me, my degree will be my safety net, but hopefully not just that, hopefully I can take out a real sense of achievement and experience with it as warriors have stated ITT

You are wise beyond your years. If you ever decide to have children, you won't have to worry about one of them telling you they don't need to go to college because you were super successful without a degree.

Having a safety net gives you a little added insurance and you never know, you might just learn something along the way you can apply to your business. Heck, you could create a blog about your reluctant college journey and blog about what you learn or don't learn, for that matter.

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CpvTrafficPro

11 years ago

Good for you ... think of it this way:

If you don't have the drive to finish school do you think you will have the drive everyday to work on your IM business good or bad?

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Originally Posted by diizzle

Can't thank everyone enough for all the replies ITT

I have been reading it everyday since I created the thread and there is always new replies from warriors offering there advice and experience.

As much as I want to give my all to my IM business I have realised with the current position I am in it would be foolish not to finish my education and get my degree.

I fully believe in my own abilities in eventually starting my own businesses and working for myself on my own terms without the need of my college degree, I thought about it and realised it doesn't matter how much you believe in yourself it's all about results at the end of the day and I cannot sit here and say with 100% certainty I am am going to be successful, no one can.

I do want to do my parents proud, I will be out of college right when I turn 24, after that I have my whole life ahead of me, my degree will be my safety net, but hopefully not just that, hopefully I can take out a real sense of achievement and experience with it as warriors have stated ITT

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Can't thank everyone enough for all the replies ITT

I have been reading it everyday since I created the thread and there is always new replies from warriors offering there advice and experience.

As much as I want to give my all to my IM business I have realised with the current position I am in it would be foolish not to finish my education and get my degree.

I fully believe in my own abilities in eventually starting my own businesses and working for myself on my own terms without the need of my college degree, I thought about it and realised it doesn't matter how much you believe in yourself it's all about results at the end of the day and I cannot sit here and say with 100% certainty I am am going to be successful, no one can.

I do want to do my parents proud, I will be out of college right when I turn 24, after that I have my whole life ahead of me, my degree will be my safety net, but hopefully not just that, hopefully I can take out a real sense of achievement and experience with it as warriors have stated ITT

That's the spirit!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Can't thank everyone enough for all the replies ITT

I have been reading it everyday since I created the thread and there is always new replies from warriors offering there advice and experience.

As much as I want to give my all to my IM business I have realised with the current position I am in it would be foolish not to finish my education and get my degree.

I fully believe in my own abilities in eventually starting my own businesses and working for myself on my own terms without the need of my college degree, I thought about it and realised it doesn't matter how much you believe in yourself it's all about results at the end of the day and I cannot sit here and say with 100% certainty I am am going to be successful, no one can.

I do want to do my parents proud, I will be out of college right when I turn 24, after that I have my whole life ahead of me, my degree will be my safety net, but hopefully not just that, hopefully I can take out a real sense of achievement and experience with it as warriors have stated ITT

I graduated with with C average and it took me 7 years to finally get my undergraduate degree.

To be frank, I went to college for several reasons. Yes, a small part of it was the social aspect of it and the girls. I knew that college was like anything else, you only got out of it what you put into it. There are many things you can learn in college that you won't learn in a book too. Sure, I learned how to be more social, but you don't need college for that, but what I did like was there were a bunch of like-minded people just like me that attended there. Not everyone I met wanted to become an employee.

Both my parents stressed education and self-edcuation. My father taught me that self-education was just as important, if not more so. So in college I was very active and involved. I learned a lot about people, how to network, and in business school I spent a lot of time with professors who were also working aside from teaching. I learned a lot from them as well.

I learned a lot in college, about how to deal with people, how to debate, negotiate, how to fund raise, and business, and it didn't reflect in my grades at all.

I also knew that I would never be that young again, so part of it taking so long was that I wanted to make sure I also enjoyed my youth and had a good time. I also took a couple of semesters off to do some light traveling and to test out some business ventures.

Ultimately, you've got to choose your own path. Though, I think you have chosen wisely. Make the most out of your experience in college and you'll never regret it.

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svetod

11 years ago

If you take some time to read my short story you will find it is quite similar as yours.
I was never so much interested in university things. I was lucky to find about Lead Generation and started to earn much more than the professors at the university.
So I definitely think that university is not that important if you feel that you want to have your own business.

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im1217

11 years ago

This is pretty much a no-brainer. FINISH college. It's amazing how many kids in the USA take college for granted. There are kids in other countries just dying to get into college. I was born in India and raised in the United States. In our culture, college is not an option. One of the MAIN reasons where I am today is my parents. No matter how many times I wanted to quit, they encouraged me. I went on to finish college and a professional degree. $800 a month? Hmmm..that would only pay half my mortgage and I don't live in a mansion. College can sometimes be like exercise, you don't like it during, but the results are something you wouldn't give up. The people that don't want to sacrifice anything are the same ones that are overweight, make $8/hr. and are single at 40. Also, many times a degree is the only thing that would prevent you from getting a job.

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yunoblog

11 years ago

It's never safe to leave all your eggs in one basket. I am sure you would be able to scale up your internet marketing business with the extra time you gain from leaving college but you will miss out on a lot of other things that college has to offer other than just the degree.

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tritrain

11 years ago

Well, I've pretty much done it all at this point. College, military, worked in IT in a cube farm, had my own business (on the side), and work from home.

If you have an entrepreneurial spirit, then working in a cube farm setting can be pretty frustrating (although its good to see this side of working). Personally, I think most college degrees are just that, college degrees. You could learn more applied skills by going to technical college.

If you have good technical or other skills, consider working on oDesk. Do this for income, along with your other ventures and you could be doing well enough. You could even generate some good leads.

*If you do decide to start a business, then I HIGHLY recommend taking small business bookkeeping as well as other finance and accounting courses, as knowing 'the numbers' is critical to business success.

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muffty

11 years ago

I'd say stick to doing both - continue going to college and at the same time steadily improve your IM skills as you go - you will be unstoppable!!!

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ksummers

11 years ago

I was in exactly your position at one point. I went on to get a first class honours degree in Comp Sci and then became a full time affiliate marketer. My experience has been invaluable although I do very little programming these days. College/University is much more than a piece of paper. It's training to put in the hard work it needs to succeed in any aspect of life.
I IM'ed,eBay'd and had a night job throughout university to pay my way. All worth it.

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AlexGeorge

11 years ago

I was thinking about going back to college but the money I would have to invest is just rediculous. What do you get at the end? A piece of paper that isn't actuall goin to help you a great deal. You will be stuck fighting it out with thousands of other people with that same piece of paper for a job where you will be slaving away for some one else's business.

Instead I took my money and Invested in a good IM coach. A much more worthwhile expenditure of money and time in my mind.

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joshcoffy

11 years ago

I dropped out of college nearly two years ago after the first semester to follow my passion as an entrepreneur. (I'm 21 years old)

Since then, I have founded 2 companies: Flight Drummers (an online drumming education platform that charges $14.95/mo and we have members in 13 countries) and Flight Media.

I currently work full time, making $30/hour average with 3 other employees and I'm expanding into 12x the office space we are in now. (Everyone will have their own office, front reception, huge studio space, etc.)

The problem I saw with college was:

1. 60% of college grads are currently unemployed.

and

2. I hate working for other people.

Being an entrepreneur allows you to make your own hours (be careful, and responsible

) and have no limitations to what you can do. I am working with multi-million dollar businesses at 21-years of age and am respected for it.

College is a paper of sadness.

(Just my opinion!)

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Wow that's a great achievement josh. Did you have family to help with starting costs or did you start everything off your own back?
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  Originally Posted by AlexGeorge
  
  Wow that's a great achievement josh. Did you have family to help with starting costs or did you start everything off your own back?
  
  Hey Alex!
  
  My parents actually did not support me doing it at all.. It wasn't really until I began doing work with massive drummers who played for artists like Stevie Wonder, Prince, New Kids on the Block, Mariah Carey, etc., that they began supporting..
  
  I have 1 business partner (he's 22) and we wrote up a 10-page business plan, pitched an investor, got $4,000 in startup capital and now we're doing what we love (designing websites, writing marketing & business plans, and managing professional drummers!)
  
  Actually- this drummer played for Prince and we just released his video 24 hours ago from the drum festival we held in Raleigh, NC! Racked up nearly 3,000 views in 1 day!
  
  Chris Coleman Drum Solo - Flight Drum Fest 2013...
  
  Wish you the best in all you're doing, my friend!
  
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TheFury

11 years ago

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

Don't do it man. Stay in school. School gives you a ton of flexibility to improve your IM skills and do all that stuff while still being in school. Yea, it is just a piece of paper, but it can land you A LOT more than you think.

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im1217

11 years ago

A degree is a piece of paper? I guess you are right. ONE piece of paper that gets you a lot of these pieces of paper:

It's been proven MANY times over, a person with a college degree makes a lot more money over their lifetime than one without.

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Benjamin Ehinger

11 years ago

Originally Posted by im1217

A degree is a piece of paper? I guess you are right. ONE piece of paper that gets you a lot of these pieces of paper:

It's been proven MANY times over, a person with a college degree makes a lot more money over their lifetime than one without.

Just to clarify, money is printed on a type of cloth....lol....just have to be a smart a** every once in a while.

Originally Posted by joshcoffy

I dropped out of college nearly two years ago after the first semester to follow my passion as an entrepreneur. (I'm 21 years old)

Since then, I have founded 2 companies: Flight Drummers (an online drumming education platform that charges $14.95/mo and we have members in 13 countries) and Flight Media.

I currently work full time, making $30/hour average with 3 other employees and I'm expanding into 12x the office space we are in now. (Everyone will have their own office, front reception, huge studio space, etc.)

The problem I saw with college was:

1. 60% of college grads are currently unemployed.

and

2. I hate working for other people.

Being an entrepreneur allows you to make your own hours (be careful, and responsible

) and have no limitations to what you can do. I am working with multi-million dollar businesses at 21-years of age and am respected for it.

College is a paper of sadness.

(Just my opinion!)

-Josh

Josh,

That is awesome and my story isn't too far from yours, except for the AS degree in Golf Course Management and an AA degree I've never used. However, those reading this thread NEED to understand this isn't normal or easy to accomplish. Building a business is like signing up for law school. It's a TON OF WORK!!!!

College is NOT a paper of sadness, as their are some industries you cannot even open the door in without a college degree. Know yourself and you will know whether you should stay in college or not. If you don't know yourself, stay in college and keep exploring.

Josh is one of the minority that knew himself at a younger age than most.

Originally Posted by muffty

I'd say stick to doing both - continue going to college and at the same time steadily improve your IM skills as you go - you will be unstoppable!!!

This is pretty sound advice, really.

Benjamin Ehinger

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JohnMcCabe 11 years ago

Quick comment on a tangent I noticed in many of the replies.

Some of you have the notion that if you're self-employed, you avoid the high taxation documented on a regular paystub.

WRONG.

You may not see taxes deducted from your commission payments, but in most countries you still owe the government their share. And they aren't shy about collecting it.

In the US, you may end up filing quarterly returns, making estimated payments along the way. This includes self-employment tax, roughly the equivalent of twice the Social Security, Medicare and FICA withholding an employee would see on the same amount. Why twice the amount? Employers pay half, employees pay half. When self-employed, you get to pay both halves.

The OP is in Ireland, so I don't know the tax rates applied to him. But from what I've heard about European taxes in general, it won't be cheap.

And if you're thinking about just not reporting, think again. In the US, the Treasury Department put Al Capone, among others, in the graybar hotel when DOJ couldn't get the job done...
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diizzle

11 years ago

With regards to my college fees like people are asking, I live in Ireland, and college is very cheap here compared to America and some other countries, I have to pay 2,500 euro per year for my college education, which is probably around $3,500 dollars

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zahanega

11 years ago

I'm a college student doing internet marketing as well. you should get through this year of college, and spend the summer doing IM full time to see how it works out for you. If it really takes off then you should seriously consider dropping out of college and doing IM full time

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Bent SEO

11 years ago

Why not push yourself real hard in IM over the next year of college at night - dedicate 8 hours to IM while also going to school full time? I worked full time and went to college full time for 4 years. It sucks but it gets you working hard. If you can grow your income online and/or get close to the average salary you may expect to receive just quit college? You'll be busy all the time but you'll prove quite a bit to yourself I'd be willing to bet...

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emelef

11 years ago

You learn valuable skills at college. There's no reason why you can't start an online business on the side. Education is very valuable and important... depends what you do with your education that matters.

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11 years ago

Follow your heart.

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tjaysen70

11 years ago

dude, yeah if you're already feelin that way about college, and you're making money now online, then just spend your time learning how to master IM and scale it up. Pretty soon, you'll be making more money than you ever did working a computer job. And you parents will be proud then, Ha.

But you gotta figure, your typical job in that field may pay you $60k, maybe more, for working at least 40 hours a week. Then you'll pay a ton in taxes from that check, so your take-home pay will be like $4k month. So like $133 a day.

You could easily make that in commissions online through a myriad of ways. So just think, you double that, and you could tell your parents you make $120K a year, working whenever, where ever, you freakin want to.

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goindeep

11 years ago

Its hard to say. If you asked me five years ago I would of told you to leave college. Now its hard to say. Computer Science is a good degree to have, no matter how limited you think the teachings are it still looks great on paper and will land you a good job. I dont know about in the US or Europe or where ever you are located but in Australia a computer science graduate can land some really high paying jobs.

Its always good to have some security in life. No matter what people in this forum tell you. You always have to look after number one and make sure you give yourself the right opportunities to make life easier for you as you get older and risking it all on affiliate marketing is a risk you dont need at the moment.

Believe me, although I love online marketing and entrepreneurship its actually much harder than you really think to earn a good living online and still maintain a happy, healthy lifestyle.

I would finish the degree, continue with your IM on the side and then once your finished your course you can take a break and figure it all out from there...

If you have your degree and then decide to go full steam ahead at the online thing and that doesn't work out for you, you will always have your degree which will land you a job.

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Stirksales

11 years ago

Since all of our opinions are different, I figured I'd give it a wing.
Just to put it into perspective.
If I'm not happy doing something, I stop doing it right away.
I'm sure that's ended me at a lot of pit stops in my life, but only because I'm trying to find what actually makes me happy... and its not furthering my education for I feel that is not where true knowledge comes from.
I'm 21, and I feel I understand the world a lot better than ANY of my friends in college etc, and have chosen a path of entrepreneurship.
Whether my business started with shoveling driveways, landscaping, and then selling diablo 3 items... Now I'm creating client lists and marketing online.

That's just me, and I'm different, I'm willing to sit here and eat rice, go to a library to get this business rolling. I'm willing to take a loan, sell my car to get started.

And now? It's working out, everything's working out. If your already making 800$ a month, I'd say that you should stay in school, and increase that value.

Your parents would be just as happy to see your online business providing you a livable income, and seeing you happy rather then completing your education.

and lets be honest, if we put that same amount of time that we put into our job/school, as we did into our new internet marketing venture... It would probably already be taking off wonderfully.

Hopefully this helped, just thought I'd ramble some wisdom. Take care man! and good luck with which ever road you end up taking your journey!

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11 years ago

My father, a high school graduate who worked his fingers to the bone in a fiberglass plant his whole life wisely told me, "No one can ever take a college diploma away from you. You can lose your car, home, and even your marriage, but you can't lose a college degree."

I followed his advice and got my degree. I don't regret it one bit.

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Keenan Handy

11 years ago

It's called the best of both worlds! Go to school get your piece of paper, in the backround still work on your business. Its no different than being in a job that you hate and working on your business on the side until the income becomes enough to say hey im out. When i went to college i worked a full time job and went to school full time. Whats stopping you from working on your busineess full time. I would go to class at 8am get out at 1PM, run right to work and bus tables until 4pm and then work the line until 12 and get out about 1am. So How bad do you want it

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PracticeMakesPerfect

11 years ago

fwiw, have a plan if you decide to stay in school and have a plan if you decide to leave school. At the end of the day only you can decide how you move forward but laying out what steps you will take to succeed and what success will look like when you get there will help you when you get to moments like now (and this will not be the last time) when you are unsure if you are moving in the right direction.

Good luck!

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ceenote100

11 years ago

I say finish school and get your degree. And if you have time you can still do IM on the side and figure out a way to turn $800 a month to $8,000 a month.

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Andrew Davis

11 years ago

I skimmed the posts here and realized that the majority recommends that diizzle (OP) remains in college and completes his Degree.

I'll probably be one of the few that thinks otherwise.

Completing your college education would be great, it's a good "safety-net"; however, there is a problem:

Originally Posted by diizzle

I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

Most of the replies here supporting that he furthers his education, are generally good pieces of advice... however, everyone is different; furthering of education may not necessarily be the best option for EVERY person.

The first BIG problem here, is that diizzle does NOT enjoy college, nor does he see having a degree a useful tool in having a bright future.

Many responders here are trying to share their opinion, on whether or not having a Degree is better, rather than focusing on the OP's situation.

The OP doesn't seem to be a naive person.
The fact that he is making more money Online than most on this forum, yet still is seeking advice on if he should continue school or not, shows that he is cautious and stable-minded.

There are some people who are just lazy and want to quit school, while there are others who earnestly TRY to like it, and TRY to make the best out of their education... but school simply isn't for them.

In his case, not wanting to be in school is NOT an emotional or lazy decision, but rather a subconscious realization that he can do better for himself by quitting school.

University is NOT an easy thing. If you don't enjoy the education, you will likely fail, or you will not grasp much value from the years spent there.

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Here is another point that people should consider:

Often, people quote that "Statistically, College Graduates earn a significantly greater amount of income as compared to Non-Graduates".
That is very true, I don't deny that.

However, people are still missing something...

Why not compare the group of:
"Highly Motivated + Capable College Graduates" vs. "Highly Motivated + Capable Dropouts"?

The problem with the statistics often quoted, is that generally: Unmotivated people = College Dropouts

So the "College Dropout" group MOSTLY consists of people with: Low Self-Esteem, Low Motivation, Drug Addiction, Depression, Mental Disability, Poverty Issues, etc...

Whereas, people who decide to go through College and have the capacity to do so, are much less affected by such problems.

Most of these "Highly Motivated" people pursue furthering their education, because that's what the World tells them is best for their future.

I would put myself in the "Highly Motivated Dropout" group, and I am quite sure that I am more successful that the average "Highly Motivated College Graduate".

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My situation was a bit similar to the OP's:

1) I was doing Computer Science at University.
2) Became tired of it. I didn't see it useful for my future. I didn't enjoy studying.
3) I only really went to Univ because my Parents wanted me to.
4) I was already earning decent money online, nothing huge at the time, but more than most on here.
5) I was highly motivated to be successful in life and reach far. I trusted in myself and had great ideas.

So, I dropped out at the end of year one.
I stayed in my parents’ home, working on my online businesses.
I worked hard, and it was a Long, Slow road to Success.

My main "discomfort" was my parents constantly asking me (out of concern):
"Is your business improving yet?"
"How are things going with your online business?"
"Are you sure you don't want to go look for a job?"

Business takes TIME.
It's not like a 9/5 job, where you get a fixed salary of $2500/month.

Things will start off small, a couple 100's per month, and then slowly increase over time, as you gain experience and reputability.

Long story short... I currently earn more than my family combined (Dad, Mom and 2 brothers), who were all "Pro-Education".

I still have FAR to go to reach my goals. I don't consider myself "Successful" yet. Maybe WHEN I reach 7-Figures per year, I will.

(By the way, I have not yet found use for ANY of the Skills/Knowledge I aquired at University)

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Concerning "No one can ever take your Degree away from you", I can say the same about my Portfolio.

I created a Web Development + Design Portfolio for myself when I quit University. Now, I always have that to fall back on, if something was to go wrong with my Businesses.

As an Expert Web Developer/Designer for many years, I have NEVER been asked for a Degree/Certificate by any of Clients.
They simply look at my work and know that I'm the right guy for the job.

You can always Backup your Portfolio, store it in Cloud Hosting, etc... for safety.

I know that not all fields of work allows you to create a "Glowing Portfolio" like Designing does.
I'm just saying that you CAN create your own "safety-net", outside of having a Degree.

Find a Skill that is in Demand - Learn it - Master it - Create a name for yourself.
You can develop that skill you've mastered into a fully fledged business later on.

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I'm not saying that education is useless or a negative thing, but I believe its usefulness varies greatly from person to person.

I know some people who are not nearly as motivated as I am; I would strongly recommend that they further their education.
It would help them to get a better job and better earnings.

But for those with an "Entrepreneurial mindset" like mines, I believe that college can be a hamper in some ways:

1) It takes a lot of time. 3-5 years is a big deal to me. One can grow their business and profits by LARGE amounts during that 5 year period, while LEARNING and EDUCATING themselves through real life experience.

2) Education can limit your thinking in some ways. I have worked with people who are more educated than me in certain fields, but because their minds were "programmed" to think in a certain way, they were not able to "think outside the box", and solve problems that I was able to, with my limited knowledge of their own field of specialty.

Some say that Education broadens your thinking, and that can be true in many cases. However, real life exposure will do the same as well, but in a more effective way.

3) Education is an expense. Not everyone can easily afford education, for some, it is a financial strain. They may have been better off starting a small business and seeing short-term results, rather than waiting for 5 years of expenses to THEN reap rewards.

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Just a few notable School Dropouts:

Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, John D. Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Edison, Christopher Columbus, Mark Twain, Benjamin Franklin, Elton John, William Shakespeare, Marilyn Monroe, Johnny Depp, Frank Sinatra, George Washington, Florence Nightingale, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg etc...

One may notice that those "Rare Success Stories" are often the Greatest Minds in their fields.

Continuing their education (those who had that opportunity) may have likely hampered their success.

Average Net Worth of Billionaires: (Education Status)
Dropouts: $9.4 Billion
Ph.D.s: $3.2 Billion
Bachelor's Degree: $2.9 Billion

List of college dropout billionaires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In my opinion, education up to Highschool is CRUTIAL.

However, once you've completed highschool, it's up to that individual (and their parents) to sit and seriously consider the choices of Furthering Education vs. Starting a Business.

- Do you have the right motivation?

- Are you able to access sufficient learning material outside of College, to keep learning and improving yourself in that area of business?

- Are you an organized person or disorganized? (If you are disorganized, college can help put the right information in front your eyes. If you are organized, you can get the relevant information you need, faster, and when you need it, by researching it yourself.)

- Are you surrounded by positive people and those that can help you start your business journey?

These are some of the things that one should assess before making their decision to further education or start a business.

I did have the right motivation, and access to all I needed to keep learning (Internet).
I didn't really have any help from others, other than a tiny allowance that helped me to pay for server and domain fees when starting up.

Formal Education is most useful for those who need guidance and motivation.

Those who are already very motivated and focused would likely reach success more quickly if they didn't complete college. College doesn't allow them to self-develop themselves at the speeds they want to, it slows down their capabilities.

Just keep your mind open. There is no single correct answer.
Everyone's Situation, Capabilities and Resources are different.

Though in the OP's case, quitting College may be the better decision, mostly because of how much he detests it.

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Final Note:
You can always choose to come back and complete your education later on, if things don't work out for some reason.

I know it won't be as easy to get back into when you're older, but now is not your "Final chance at Education", like some people make it out to be.

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Fazal Mayar

11 years ago

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You made good points Andrew. However, you live in the caribeeans, it might be different. In most countries, living costs increase meaning that even a decent income will barely make you live a normal life.

Getting a degree is an insurance to live a comfortable life because you would make more the the average salary. If the OP was a super affiliate making 7 figure income online it would be different. He says he doesn't enjoy what he is doing but I would doubt it. If he can spend a whole day on the computer with IM, it means he enjoys what he does.

99% of the time I would suggest keep going to college and it always turns out to be the best decision.

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TheFBGuy 11 years ago

I used to be in your EXACT position, so I know what you are going through. I dropped out of college, but continued by "education" on the side... while learning something even more important.

THE MOST important education one can have is NOT the old, out of style traditional way of "going to college, get a degree, and find a job."

No... what you need in this day and age more than ANYTHING is FINANCIAL EDUCATION. This is what will set you apart from everyone else. Learn everything you can about money and develop a "rich mindset."

You can have all the degrees in the world, but if you suck with money, that will ultimately reflect in your bank account.
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Andrew Davis

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar

You made good points Andrew. However, you live in the caribeeans, it might be different. In most countries, living costs increase meaning that even a decent income will barely make you live a normal life.

I understand what you say Fazal, but the OP doesn't have to rush to live on his own right away. He can continue living with his parents (I assume) until his online business has stabilized. That's what I did.
He doesn't have to worry about the costs of living right now.

That's one advantage of starting your business earlier, you tend to have more support when you're younger.

When you're 25-30 years old, parents are usually ready to get you out of the house.
So you may have a degree by 25-30, but often, by then you need to start fending on your own - Which means less time to focus on your business ideas.

Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar

Getting a degree is an insurance to live a comfortable life because you would make more the the average salary.

You're generally right, but that's not entirely true.
Lots of College Graduates these days can only get an Average Salary (if any job at all).

Unemployment is rising globally and it certainly isn't going to improve very much in the coming years.
As the world keeps advancing in technology, jobs will continue to decline. A lot of people try to pretend it won't happen, but this is the reality.

So, I don't see having a Degree as an "Assurance" that you will live in comfortable life.

I know lots of people who have spent the last 3-5 years slaving behind their Degree, and even though they now have that piece of paper in their hand...
they are Sitting, Waiting, Begging for a job - Unemployed.

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He says he doesn't enjoy what he is doing but I would doubt it. If he can spend a whole day on the computer with IM, it means he enjoys what he does.

I didn't understand you fully here.

Do you mean that because he is loving Internet Marketing, he certainly can't hate doing Computer Science in College?

That's not true at all. Once again, I can relate.

Even though I didn't like school, and I went for my parents sake, I still TRIED to make the best of it.

I enrolled into Computer Science and tried to get myself pumped up about it.
I tried to convince myself that what I'm going to learn here, will turn out to be useful to me in the future, with my computer based businesses/projects.

I soon realized that:
1) Most of what I was being taught in College was generally useless for IM and other Online Skills, such as Web Development and Graphic Design.

2) Even though they taught a bit of Web Development, it was ridiculously too little to do anything substantial in the real world with.
I had already learned on my own, everything they were teaching, that could be of use to me in my online business.

My point #2 above - This is why I said earlier that "Education slows down your Learning".

They will take an entire year from you, teaching you a bunch of "Fluff", just to make up space in the curriculum.

You can learn all those important skills in just 1 month (or a few), researching online.

At the end of the first year, I could only say to myself:
"Why am I doing this? :confused:
I wasted an entire year learning NOTHING of use to me... I could have done so much more with that time..."

I'm NOT at all saying that ALL College courses are useless... that would be nonsense.

What I am saying is: As a young adult, I could see whether or not this degree would likely be of help to me in the future.

I decided that it won't be helpful, so I discontinued it.

I repeat again - College is NOT for everyone. It's usefulness varies from person to person.

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Fazal Mayar

11 years ago

I will say it again like I said it earlier in this thread. Having a college degree isn't just about having some insurance but also it has been proven over and over again that is essential to maintain a good job in today's economy. Yes, economy has changed a lot but you can't rely on Internet marketing only when it's also so un-stable sometimes. Get that degree. People manage to be on their iphones 12 hours a day despite having to go to school or work. It's the same for you, if you go to college you will still have nights and weekends to work on your business.

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11 years ago

First of all at least your degree is useful. You are learning programming, right? Better than my useless degree. Second of all to be honest I know you are probably young so it is understandable but if you have to ask the question then you aren't ready yet.

It's great that you are earning income online already while still in school! You should stay in school and let it push you to be working all the time online when you aren't doing your school work. After you have put in that kind of work and paid your dues you really develop the drive and dedication you need to go off on your own and succeed.

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Scott Skinner

11 years ago

"To thine own self be true"... Shakespeare

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JohnnyNight

11 years ago

Wow, this thread is still going....

awesome..!!

Dizzle, one thing I didn't mention, when your beautiful new girlfriend takes U home to meet Mommy and Daddy and they ask where U went to school...

I'm not saying this is a reason to stay in school, but just have a good answer ready...

Like your taking a year off from your favorite Ivy League College to help Jimmy Carter build houses for his - Habitat for Humanity - charity..

Habitat for Humanity Int'l

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dgiles63

11 years ago

If you are studying programming--get the degree!

You can write software products that will knock their socks off. Or at least consult intelligently with those you might hire later on to do your programming.

Don't give up on the dream, but find ways to multi-task. Create checklists, and prioritize the things that will make you the most money. Do those things first. If you learn to work effectively now it will serve you all of your life.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Okay - what you seem to be going through is what I see as the problem for many going to college - wrong motivation to be there.

If you are going just to grab anything that will get you money, you're going to be miserable there - plus, if you hate the college courses, think of how bad your life will suck actually being trapped working in that field because that's where your expertise lies.

If you are going to go to school - it should be because you are cranked about learning something. Take something that turns your gears at full speed - and then figure out how to monetize it later. When you are doing something as important and intensive as getting an education, it should be to get you where you want to be in your mind and in the real world.

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11 years ago

I figured I would throw in my two cents on the subject. One thing I am sure you have learned while trying to make money online is to never put ALL your eggs in one basket. The key to making legitimate money anywhere in the real world or online is that you MUST diversify. A diverse portfolio in investing, real estate, and countless others including affiliate marketing is crucial. If you only had a plan to make money using facebook marketing and suddenly they shut down all together what would you do? It would be tough.

We all love internet marketing but if something happened to shut it all down.... what could you fall back on. Football players must ask themselves that all the time. Without that degree, a career ending ACL tear could be much more devastating.

This is just food for thought but I know from experience that it is best to get your degree while you can. It is very hard to go back later and get it. While there are people who we like to talk about who didn't get their degree and are billionaires now......they are few and far between and exceptions to the rule. In the end just follow your heart and pray about it...works for me.

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wolfe655

11 years ago

Man! if I could do it all over I would be all over that computer science degree. The only computer science I get now is teaching myself how to program.

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11 years ago

I logged in just to post my thoughts. I too in 2011 jan discovered IM and for me personally i feel like college is now a joke. IM is a gold man. if you dedicate your effort and time to this I dont see how he cant be successful?

Everyone here is mentioning a backup plan. yea, cool. but why is it that it has to be college? There are trade schools too. but not even that. you know what i tell people? look all over the warrior forum, there are 1000s and 1000s of courses for making money online......and they all dont take 4 years to do. and no loans to take. THATS my backup. and the thing is that, even if you got the degree and say 5 years from now u want to use the degree as backup for what ever reason....the employerr will say, what have you done in 5 years...

most of the time you putting self employed wont count, so thats a then dead paper wait in some cases.

Theres many ways to have a 'backup' plan. so if thats everyones concern then he can use the warroom or wso section to look at allllll the backup plans he needs just incase. the good thing is in IM you can start taking action right away on those plans vs in offline degree thingy magig, u have to HOPE to get the interview, then the job, etc. degree guaruntees nothing anymore.

didnt you all hear that a BA isnt enough anymore? a masters is the New BA now to stand out.... so now students are recommended for at least 6 years of college. Its a buyers market for employers. IF you dont like the pay, they will laugh at you and say, no prob, someone will gladly take your spot. no one is that special anymore just cause a degree sadly. because almost everyone has a BA now, FACT. so you have to then get the next best thing etc.

what I would focus on if you still wanted to dable in the IT world is to save some money and take some Certifications. in IT alot of people will tell you certs are more valuable right now. degrees are bloated and vague. how is it that almost every course in college takes hmmmmmmm 4 years to learn? really?! give me a break.

What i would say to you buddy, is to decide if you want to press on. You can try it and see if you can do both, or force yourself, or you can put that a side and go for IM fulltime, or part time. Just do whats in your heart. as for me Im wanting out IT all together. hate the IT corp world now, it killed the hobby i once had.

IM is my future, im not making consistant money just yet but that was because of a procrastination issue that I finally learned to kill.

taught myself on making mini task for 30min and adding a 10-15min break/reward between. a course i had months ago i finally started full force and almost completed in just 9 days already, if I had done that from the start i would of been way successful already. thats why to FOCUS on what ever your doing. IM or IT doesnt matter if theres no passion and focus.

im THIISSSSSSSSSSS close like im talking by next 2 weeks to have consistant money coming in from something im working on and finally coming to a finish. finished an ebook and will place traffic on it (not google either), and i already have a list of projects in order (aka backup plan) i will do next after i scale this one up, etc. i have made money in the time ive been in IM though, just not consistant. total of 100+ over time. nothing much.

just keep this in mind.......backup plan doesnt have to = college, it could be starting another IM project. im sure you have tons of WSO's that you know would most likley work in alot of cases but you may not of had time get to.
Backup plan only means at end of the day something that can bring you income to hold you down. but with the internet, and warriorforum, its more easier now then ever to MAKE you own backup then to go in dept, and HOPE someone gives you a job (that even pays what you want). I technically dropped out of college now i have taken enough credits for assosites level. thats enough. im not focused , nor do i care about the whole field. IM is way realistic in my opinion. but everyone is different. but its no longer practical for me to goto college and do all that stuff anymore, my grades were around C's , ive been on deans list before though but i have no intrest.

I arguued with my parents etc but 2 years later they are taking me seriously now and so will your parents. College is their norm. IM is a stranger to them so they dont trust it. If your parents new the potential of IM they would of put you in Warriorforum university. where else can you learn this kind of stuff for the cheap? most degrees dont even add up mathematically anymore.

the fact ur making 800 a month is a damn good sign you have what it takes if you go the IM way. good luck friend. sorry for spelling, im on cell and spell check is silly.

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Walter Parrish

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jason1985

I logged in just to post my thoughts. I too in 2011 jan discovered IM and for me personally i feel like college is now a joke. IM is a gold man. if you dedicate your effort and time to this I dont see how he cant be successful?

Everyone here is mentioning a backup plan. yea, cool. but why is it that it has to be college? There are trade schools too. but not even that. you know what i tell people? look all over the warrior forum, there are 1000s and 1000s of courses for making money online......and they all dont take 4 years to do. and no loans to take. THATS my backup. and the thing is that, even if you got the degree and say 5 years from now u want to use the degree as backup for what ever reason....the employerr will say, what have you done in 5 years...

most of the time you putting self employed wont count, so thats a then dead paper wait in some cases.

Theres many ways to have a 'backup' plan. so if thats everyones concern then he can use the warroom or wso section to look at allllll the backup plans he needs just incase. the good thing is in IM you can start taking action right away on those plans vs in offline degree thingy magig, u have to HOPE to get the interview, then the job, etc. degree guaruntees nothing anymore.

didnt you all hear that a BA isnt enough anymore? a masters is the New BA now to stand out.... so now students are recommended for at least 6 years of college. Its a buyers market for employers. IF you dont like the pay, they will laugh at you and say, no prob, someone will gladly take your spot. no one is that special anymore just cause a degree sadly. because almost everyone has a BA now, FACT. so you have to then get the next best thing etc.

what I would focus on if you still wanted to dable in the IT world is to save some money and take some Certifications. in IT alot of people will tell you certs are more valuable right now. degrees are bloated and vague. how is it that almost every course in college takes hmmmmmmm 4 years to learn? really?! give me a break.

What i would say to you buddy, is to decide if you want to press on. You can try it and see if you can do both, or force yourself, or you can put that a side and go for IM fulltime, or part time. Just do whats in your heart. as for me Im wanting out IT all together. hate the IT corp world now, it killed the hobby i once had.

IM is my future, im not making consistant money just yet but that was because of a procrastination issue that I finally learned to kill.

taught myself on making mini task for 30min and adding a 10-15min break/reward between. a course i had months ago i finally started full force and almost completed in just 9 days already, if I had done that from the start i would of been way successful already. thats why to FOCUS on what ever your doing. IM or IT doesnt matter if theres no passion and focus.

im THIISSSSSSSSSSS close like im talking by next 2 weeks to have consistant money coming in from something im working on and finally coming to a finish. finished an ebook and will place traffic on it (not google either), and i already have a list of projects in order (aka backup plan) i will do next after i scale this one up, etc. i have made money in the time ive been in IM though, just not consistant. total of 100+ over time. nothing much.

just keep this in mind.......backup plan doesnt have to = college, it could be starting another IM project. im sure you have tons of WSO's that you know would most likley work in alot of cases but you may not of had time get to.
Backup plan only means at end of the day something that can bring you income to hold you down. but with the internet, and warriorforum, its more easier now then ever to MAKE you own backup then to go in dept, and HOPE someone gives you a job (that even pays what you want). I technically dropped out of college now i have taken enough credits for assosites level. thats enough. im not focused , nor do i care about the whole field. IM is way realistic in my opinion. but everyone is different. but its no longer practical for me to goto college and do all that stuff anymore, my grades were around C's , ive been on deans list before though but i have no intrest.

I arguued with my parents etc but 2 years later they are taking me seriously now and so will your parents. College is their norm. IM is a stranger to them so they dont trust it. If your parents new the potential of IM they would of put you in Warriorforum university. where else can you learn this kind of stuff for the cheap? most degrees dont even add up mathematically anymore.

the fact ur making 800 a month is a damn good sign you have what it takes if you go the IM way. good luck friend. sorry for spelling, im on cell and spell check is silly.

Dude you can attempt to make yourself feel good, but when it comes down to it people are going to look for two things. 1 You being on the top your game or 2 you got some papers (1 degree or more), otherwise they will consider you a nobody.

As far as Andrew, I think your parents love you a lot, because if I had a grown azz son 18 years old talking about self employment and not going to school or working towards taking care of themselves they would get 1 years to get their act together.

And for you guys who already got your paper telling others they don't need it shame on you. Where would you be without your degrees? What type of exposure would you have had without it?

I'm not saying that there aren't some prodigys out there, but its a gift.

Btw, Bill Gates mom was a business woman, and his father a big time lawyer if I remember right. Also, Bill went to Harvard so he was exposed to everything through his parents who did have degrees and money. In fact I don't think Bill would have gotten as far as he did if his mom didn't sit on the Board at IBM.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

As far as Andrew, I think your parents love you a lot, because if I had a grown azz son 18 years old talking about self employment and not going to school or working towards taking care of themselves they would get 1 years to get their act together.

Wow... where did that come from?

1) I DID listen to my parents advice at first, and went to University even though I didn't want to.

2) After trying out University for 1 year, I realized that it wasn't for me. I sat and discussed this with my parents, and they allowed me to stay at home to focus on my online businesses, because this is where my True Passion was.

3) "or working towards taking care of themselves" :confused:
Such flying accusations... Where do you people come from?...

I worked very HARD every day and night towards my success. I wasn't a burden on my parents because I bought my own food and essentials, as well has helped with groceries and other bills.

I woke at 8:00 am, went to bed at 12:00 Midnight, almost all of my hours awake was spend working towards developing my business. 10-12 hours per day.

Now that business is running smoothly... yes, I can have my own place, work for just 4 hours per day (or skip days of work), and still keep profiting. But things never started off easy.

4) "they would get 1 years to get their act together"
And what's the difference between working hard at Online Business vs working hard at College?

Just because your son doesn't choose exactly what YOU want, you are going to stop supporting him?

It's fine to support him for 3-5 years at College with Huge expenses...
but when he spends just 1 year working hard at IM, quietly minding his own business, not running up your expenses...
that's too much for you? You're ready to kick him out? :rolleyes:

Walter, you are a good example, that parents are not "Always" right.
I wish your kids (or future ones) best of luck.

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jason1985

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

Dude you can attempt to make yourself feel good, but when it comes down to it people are going to look for two things. 1 You being on the top your game or 2 you got some papers (1 degree or more), otherwise they will consider you a nobody.

As far as Andrew, I think your parents love you a lot, because if I had a grown azz son 18 years old talking about self employment and not going to school or working towards taking care of themselves they would get 1 years to get their act together.

And for you guys who already got your paper telling others they don't need it shame on you. Where would you be without your degrees? What type of exposure would you have had without it?

I'm not saying that there aren't some prodigys out there, but its a gift.

Btw, Bill Gates mom was a business woman, and his father a big time lawyer if I remember right. Also, Bill went to Harvard so he was exposed to everything through his parents who did have degrees and money. In fact I don't think Bill would have gotten as far as he did if his mom didn't sit on the Board at IBM.

how am i attempting to make myself feel good? did i say im a make a mil a year? didnt i disclose i had a procrastination problem? didn't i say i was a C student, didnt i say about getting certs? thats what the BIG IT people will tell u. I work directly with them, the CLoud certs are in demand as well.

What i DO feel good about is that im making my own decisions now that i feel is best for ME, not my parents or friends. if college is a MANDATORY for your goal , then fine, if not then do whats needed. simple as that. and make sure it adds up. i said nothing wrong sir.

we can agree to disagree. But thats the problem in this country, EEEEVVVVERRRR one tells us to think BIG , be extraordinary.

but to be EXTRAORDINARY you cant just do what everyone is doing. or you will not standout.

ITs NOT the same as when you went to school, or ur parents and even the gen X's, Gen Y's WILL have a hard time getting work, unless YOU KNOW a field isnt saturated.

College is MAINSTREAM. Which means the MASSES are going or trying to go, or already graduated now. the problem though is that the available POSITIONS FOR JOBS ARE TIIIIINNYYYYYY so NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE JOB THEY WANT. period.

we did nothing but manufacture employees in the school system, not big thinkers or entrepreneurs.
Even SUSIE (that financial lady) agrees the something. the traditional system isnt recommended right now pending on the field

There is no more balance. Look how much people graduated this year from college. Millions upon millions.......with BA. So much with a BA that it is now the new high school diploma. LIke i said you need a Masters to stand out on degrees alone. YOU have to compete against all of them. sure there are jobs out there but, YOUR NOT THE ENTITLED ONE, the employers are now. They can simply afford to not pick you over some small thing just because they can now.

You have to put your pride away. and may have to take low paying jobs to get in and then work your way up if anything. im right on what i said.

education is to learn. and to better yourself. education doesnt just instantly mean = college.

if that was true then elementary junior high and high school isnt an education either? Education is only college? its 2013.

oh and update, in an answer to your question about people wanting to see you have papers......well thats the point.....................in IM no one really needs to see your 'papers'.............that was the whole point i was saying.................

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11 years ago

To Jason, Andrew and the rest in the thread that frown on education.

I suggest you reread the thread, because we're going over the same things
all over again lol.

It was already mention that formal education exposes you to people and opportunities.

I also mentioned that many of those telling you you don't need already have their degrees.

I don't understand where you think you're going without it?

I mean if you are in Internet or Affiliate Marketing you won't make any real money until you learn business.

So, whats the difference between spending 3 to 4 years marketing or 3 to 4 being formerly educated is that you will be exposed to people and opportunities in a formal environment.

As far as college being the new high school even that is old. In 2013 college is like grade school. Meaning if you don't have at least a little college you're like a 6th grade dropout.

If you are going to spend 4 years learning IM learning the same thing you learn in college then not working towards a degree sounds like an excuse.

As far as those videos ask that guy where he learned business, because when I went to school you learned everything about starting your own business.

And to Andrew, I don't know much about the Caribbean I only know about people in the States from the Caribbean. And the ones I do know would agree with me.

So, that parent comment sounds more like an excuse to me. My father was out o his parents home and on his own at 16. My mom was out and on her own at 17. I was out and on my own at 18. So, to hear of someone being in their 20's at home saying they got their own business sounds like an excuse to me.

So, I can only guess it all depends on where you live and what success means to you.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

To Jason, Andrew and the rest in the thread that frown on education.

I suggest you reread the thread, because we're going over the same things
all over again lol.

Walter... I suggest that you actually READ my replies here carefully, specifically my first one: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8476412

Originally Posted by Andrew Davis

I'm not saying that education is useless or a negative thing, but I believe its usefulness varies greatly from person to person.

I know some people who are not nearly as motivated as I am; I would strongly recommend that they further their education.
It would help them to get a better job and better earnings.

Originally Posted by Andrew Davis

In my opinion, education up to Highschool is CRUTIAL.

However, once you've completed highschool, it's up to that individual (and their parents) to sit and seriously consider the choices of Furthering Education vs. Starting a Business.

Originally Posted by Andrew Davis

Just keep your mind open. There is no single correct answer.
Everyone's Situation, Capabilities and Resources are different.

I never said that Education (College) is useless.
I said that the usefulness of College will Depend on the person and his/her situation.

Most people run around advising young people to go to College, without considering that person's specific situation.

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Sorry... but most of your points don't make much sense, I won't waste time replying to each.

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

I mean if you are in Internet or Affiliate Marketing you won't make any real money until you learn business.

:confused:
You don't need to learn Business (as in College Education) to be a great Internet Marketer.

I'm doing well in business myself, both Online and Offline.

I never took ANY Business Course; I never Learned Business at ANY stage of my Highschool or College Education.

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You made a point about Bill Gates earlier, which actually supports what I said earlier.
I didn't want to waste time explaining why... but I will now anyway.

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

Btw, Bill Gates mom was a business woman, and his father a big time lawyer if I remember right. Also, Bill went to Harvard so he was exposed to everything through his parents who did have degrees and money. In fact I don't think Bill would have gotten as far as he did if his mom didn't sit on the Board at IBM.

As I mentioned in my first reply in this thread:

Originally Posted by Andrew Davis

The "College Dropout" group MOSTLY consists of people with: Low Self-Esteem, Low Motivation, Drug Addiction, Depression, Mental Disability, Poverty Issues, etc...

Conversely, the people with College Degrees tend to come from Well-off, Middle Class or Stable Families, more often.

They have the Extra Support to help them get through college successfully.

While poorer people have too many problems to worry about, and can't always make it all the way through college.

Is that easy enough to understand?

Now, what happens when you have a Intelligent College Dropout that HAS Rich Parents and HAS all the Support they Need to get them far in life?

That's where you get successes like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg from.

I'm not saying that Every Intelligent/Highly Motivated College Dropout with Rich parents is going to turn into a Billionaire or even a Millionaire...

But they have a pretty good chance of doing well in life.

They have the Support, the Connections, the Funding they need, to pull off their business ideas successfully.

(From your replies here Walter, I'm not expecting you to comprehend this anyway.)

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If you:
- Enjoy College (or don't hate it).
- Don't have a steady stream of income yet.
- Don't have a winning business plan in place.

Then I advise you to STAY in College and complete it.

If you:
- Hate College.
- Have a steady stream of income (doesn't have to be a full salary).
- Have seen your income grow from month to month.
- Have a clear vision of how you will Scale up your Business over time.
- Have supportive Parents/Guardians who will house you for 3-5 years till you can take care of yourself.

Then I recommend that you consider leaving College, and pursue your Business Venture at home, where you can put 100% of your Time and Energy into attaining Success with your Business.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

To Jason, Andrew and the rest in the thread that frown on education.

It was already mention that formal education exposes you to people and opportunities.

I also mentioned that many of those telling you you don't need already have their degrees.

I don't understand where you think you're going without it?

I mean if you are in Internet or Affiliate Marketing you won't make any real money until you learn business.

So, whats the difference between spending 3 to 4 years marketing or 3 to 4 being formerly educated is that you will be exposed to people and opportunities in a formal environment.

As far as college being the new high school even that is old. In 2013 college is like grade school. Meaning if you don't have at least a little college you're like a 6th grade dropout.

If you are going to spend 4 years learning IM learning the same thing you learn in college then not working towards a degree sounds like an excuse.

As far as those videos ask that guy where he learned business, because when I went to school you learned everything about starting your own business.

And to Andrew, I don't know much about the Caribbean I only know about people in the States from the Caribbean. And the ones I do know would agree with me.

So, that parent comment sounds more like an excuse to me. My father was out o his parents home and on his own at 16. My mom was out and on her own at 17. I was out and on my own at 18. So, to hear of someone being in their 20's at home saying they got their own business sounds like an excuse to me.

So, I can only guess it all depends on where you live and what success means to you.

hi walter. Dont get me wrong, i dont frown on 'education', im all for learning and getting better. But also its good to be 'educated' as well on risk or what is at stake on both ends. No longer does a degree make you have an advantage.

having a degree just gets you in the 'race' , its having MORE then the degree and what else you bring to the table that will get you the job.

Why is it Employers are even complaining who college students are coming out with not really knowing much? even they are saying that. yet part of it is the employers fault as well, they make you get a degree when 10 years ago u didnt need it for that position.

The thing is this. college is charging you rates that are ABOVE inflation of today. so imagin going to a grocery store and all of a sudden, a bar of Chocolate Snickers bar cost like 30 dollars. wouldnt you say its over priced? a snickers bar wouldnt be that price in maybe 50 years from now. it price doesnt match the current standard of living. its too high!

Heres another example, could a company give its employees like TODAY a raise and pay them higher then inflation itself as if it was 10 years later?

Company would go out of business. If something is higher then inflation, it is as if you were living a higher cost of life then your future grandchildrens time.

Now if Colleges are charging you super high prices , then add it to over inflation percentages, do you know how much your really spending? its super over priced way ahead of its time. Oh but guess what? Dont worry
They know you will get a lone. and you cant do bankrupcy for student loans. you HAVE to pay it.

and guess what the killer is, your paying the High rates+overinflation percentages...............+INTREST now!

but if a business cant even pay you at those rates, how do you expect a young student in 6 months to find a job intime that pays that much to break even in few years? its almost impossible. And if you go to long with out paying, they will take your money from you automatically!

so now you will be almost working for free instantly. If that happens you cant get any gonverment things like certain licenses etc. your credit is gone, you cant get a car, apartment etc.

you see what i mean walter? I just want you to understand that mathmatically its already a huuuuuge problem. the ROI financially isnt there anymore.

the statement of 1mil more in a lifetime is completly misunderstood by many as well. the only reason why its 1mil in lifetime is because of the small handle of millionars that happen to goto college like donal trump etc, so they scew the average.

this is also talked about on CNN and a video called college conspiracy on youtube. check it out.

CNN confirmed this as well. Thats why i was saying its not so simple to say JUST DO IT and get your degree.

its your whole reputation, what happens if you keep failing classes? you have to keep paying, and every year it goes up again in price , keep in mind still higher then in flation itself, plus your GPA has to be at least a 2.0, I struggled and getting dismissed TWICE is not a good feeling, I worked hard to get back in but then the college made a computer mistake and i couldnt even get access to my homework......

so I got dismissed a 3rd!!!!! time.......but they then took me backinstantly because of their mistake, so i didnt have to beg them like I had to the 1st and 2nd time like a homeless person to take me back inschool. I felt like a slave to my Current job because of it. when I left the 2nd time it was because of family deaths. i had like 4 deaths in 1 month and it caused my grades to drop. i was Already on watch to get my 1.8 gpa up by next term but i couldnt do it. THey didnt take me back as much as i pleaded. I fought for a year, and even went to the same school on my OWN even though they dismissed me because i thought if i ever get backin, i will at least remembered what i learned (which wasnt much), after a year of going sneaking in the school with no ID etc i told admisions the story and it worked. they took me back. .......but thats right before they messed up my student profile which caused me to get dissmissed automatically again.

my point is i want you to remember its more then just sitting down and getting in instant Paper. it takes ALOTTTT of work. its one thing you are saying a degree means instant great paying job. but you have to 1st GRADUATE 1st, sometimes even take an exit exam. if you dont do those things then you will NEVER get the degree in the 1st place, mean while its getting mooore expensive and the longer u stay in college, the more millions of other graduates are coming out that baby boomers, Gen X, and Gen y , and the gen after Y are allll competing with each other.

so millions of millions competing for 111,000 jobs most are cashier jobs etc that came last month btw, pay per year was 20-30 on those areas. the only good jobs that came in august was a boom in nursing and the pay was 64,000. so if anyone is reading , nursing looks like a good choice.

but like i said , 64000 is nothing when you have avrage of 27000 yr of school for maybe 4yrs. but averge student graduates in 6 years. so 27k x6
162000 , and thats before intrest. You would then have to subtract the money you could of made on average if you didnt go. i forgot the current average. but you would of multiplied that from 6 as well and add it to 162000, then subtract it from 64000, and you actually lost money.

you will never catchup. so although i love obama and voted for him, he made a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE mistake about forgiving student loans in 1020 years. He ment well just like you walter, but the expense didnt go anywhere. WE have to alllll pay for it now. so if the rates are higher then inflation then your taxes WILL have to go up as well. you will NEVER finish paying for it even through taxes. we will dround our own citizens, and not only that the dollar will just go down and then other people over seas would be the only ones who could truely afford our own education in the 1st place......

And not only that, even if you got the goverment out of student loans the prices WOULD come down because banks will try to give the best deal now. so good news is that everyone will be able to probaly afford a degree then. but then thats the problem, if you think everyone has a degree now? then EVERYONE AND THEIR UNCLE WILL HAVE IT THEN and you will have even MORE over credentials and more competition.

Thats why you cant just apply to 10, 20 , 30 or even 40 jobs. you have to apply alot more now. because its alot of people in the pool doing same thing as you, they fillup fast and also back in my parents days, or even the early 90s before many people even heard of the internet.

you could of applied to like 10 jobs got interviews and choose the one with the best offer, sometimes they would RAISE their salary to take you! they dont do that anymore unless your like a top surgen from a good hospital. I work at a hospital btw.

but you fighting with people from florida applying to jobs in new york, people applying for jobs in ATL, ATL applying in NY, NY applying in florida....people are applying EVERYWhere, and you cant apply with 10 resumes anymore because everyone else is doing MORE then that. the and it takes longer to get a call because its so much to go through to weed out.

not only that EVEN if you do get the call Eventually......it could still just be to tell you , you DIDNT get the job after all that waiting when you were next to be told that..... see what im saying? but what im saying is that if you were to get the job, the expense cancels it all out now. So if your going to college dont look at it for $$$, look at it for learning. but because of the expense if you truely were about learning ,you would of said to learn at home for free. but u didnt say that u said to get the whole thing. so im just informing u of the expense and that the ROI for $$$ is almost non existant.

its just as they said not ever woman sadly on earth will get married because of the male to female ratio. same for college. its just saturated. parents like you MENT WELL. but your not the only one who made their kids go from the start! so its filled up now. and we are a country who doesnt teach how to live or make money OUTSIDE OF A JOB. we only know UNEMPLOYMENT benifits until the next random job comes in. thats all most of us here knows.

Making jobs is what will start making a balance because people need work. but not only we have to make jobs it has to be UNUQIE Jobs also later on down the road. because we need cool physical or digital ideas so that Countries will buy from us which leaks their currency to us and will raise our Dollar value.

THATS HOW OUR ECONOMY WILL GET BETTER. but litilary the colleges are killing us.

making more mcdonalds or burgerkings and cashier jobs will help put money in peoples pockets internally, but its the Unique ideas that will sell internationally, remember that!!!! if your kids are good enough to goto college then your children are also good enough to have great ideas. they do it all the time. you , I , your kids, and people here all randomly have mil dollar ideas , but if everyone shoots them down THEY WILL RARELY happen....

Thats why its rare like you say of bill gates zubmberg etc. because its rare to STILL DO YOUR DREAM AND PURSUE when the WHOLE WORLD and your PARENTS ARE AGAINTS THEM. YOU have to mentally be tough to still go on with it. THATS WHY ITS RARE!!!!!!! NOT BECAUSE THE IDEA SUCKED, but because EVERYONE SHUTS THEM DOWN.

thats why if we TEACH about basic stuff about taking ideas and making them a reality in high school and J.H, people will no how to take care of themselfs either with a job OR making their own!

IF we knew how to make our own jobs right now just as much as looking for them, u think our country would be crying out, WHERE ARE THE JOBS!!!!??? you know what im saying back???? WHERE ARE THE FREE THINKERS? WHERE ARE THE IDEAS? !!!! WHERE ARE THE entrepreneurs!

our economy would always correct itself with balance.

do you see what i mean walter?

and as for not having a college degree like a 6th grade drop out, when your car breaks down, who fixes it for u? a professor? when your pipe breaks and leaks between your walls, dont u call a plumber before it causes mold damage? , WHO CUTS YOUR HAIR!!!!! you think a person who OWNS the barbar shop makes NO money?

the most important skill in this day and age is MARKETING. I could make just as much money selling shirts as a dentist if i did the correct steps.

stop thinking that everyone needs a suit and tie to be successful. if you are replaceable your value goes down.

supply and demand works through us as well. if there are a million walters, i can offer less $$ and still get you, go on ebay . if something is getting scarce the $$ goes ^^^.

Heres a tip i would recommend for any college student reading this. I think walter you would agree and tell your kids this too, if they are going to college route. tell them while they are still a student to look at the current ads posting for the stuff in their field. tell them to look at what employeers are asking for IN ADDITION to compliment that degree, they are giving you hints as to what they truly want. remember what i said a degree just gets u in the rat race to MAYBE get an interview. but if they do a degree says nothing about you. having a degree is netural. but if you have the SPECIFICS!!!!!! then BOOM! AND you dont have take extra college courses, the internet removed infomation secrets, so you can learn these specifics for free!! theres youtube and google!

Now you already are on another list the huge potential im really considering him/her list!

its a rat race list again but MUUUUUUCH smaller, you will increase the chances. ALSO if someone isnt hiring, tell ur kids to say ill work 1-2months free! it can help then get an internship that never existed and also its hard to let them go since you already depended on them for stuff now, so they would rather keep you. because you being there INSIDE of the job for just 2months you learned TOOOOOONS of stuff then the 4 years or what ever years they have in the school. so can you imaging if your kids have 2 years left, and they already got in a job working free for 1-2 months, chances are they will get hired at that EXACT type job for the field PLUS when they graduate you will have the 4 yr degree but u wouldnt even need the masters degree because you already SHOWED them the specifics, PLUS they took you in (they had no choice when you said for free), and then almost no choice to Hire them! and in some cases they will even pay your loans OFF for you after that. AND you just got 2 years experience by then on that job. so not only u have specfics but you even have EXPERIENCE NOW. thats the scary word!!!!

remember employees arre an investment to them, and if a degree is the norm, then it doesnt matter. Companys dont see norm. they want something that stands out. even if your flipping burgers they will pick the nicer guy. thats all im saying walter.

but at the end of the day even after all my tips, the sad thing u have to remember is that, a degree cant put a gun to their head and say HIREME, only the boss says so. Also you dont know the numbers, you can be getting paychecks and paychecks, but have noooooo idea if the boss already knows the job is going under or that is already decided after the 10th check is already letting you go. he will not keep you if the whole business will go down, he WILL let someone(s) go .

i think i said enough. wow long post , holy moly!

Last powerful msg i want to say. Flipping burgers is an easy job right? worth the minimum wage right? but imaging there was only 1 peron in the world who had 2 arms, and ten fingers. that means he is the ONLLLLLLLYYYYYY person in the WOOOORRRRRLLDDDD who can flip a burger, you think mcdonalds would pay him 7.50 hr ?

HECK no. he IS VALUABLE!!!!!!!! HE IS UNIQUE AND CHANCES ARE YOU WOUNT GET HIM cause just about no one has arms to flip burgers or do the cash register. you see how i just flipped that around? its not what you know , its how hard is it to get someone else to do it as well. but we are not limited anymore , its jobs. creating jobs for others or yourself is a GOLD skill in this day and age! dont shun it, be happy for them and wish them well , if it fails, dont say i told you so. Just like if your kids failed a million times and if they had toooons of dept, i know you would still say, keep trying. that goes for everyone in here as well. if you have an idea just try it. but we dont , thats why its rare , not because they have super DNA.

IN 2013 it shouldnt be right to think I will get a degree for backup. NO! by the time you had to use it forbackup u already forgot what you even learned, and your job u just lost wasnt even in the field........2-5 years, and not in yourfield?....they will think your playing them.
you need to think NOW as "I need backup for my degree"!!!!

Also remember if your studentloans was 400 a month in NY, and if you got a small job in a place with lower cost of living, its STILL 400 a month so it will hurt you even more because dollar for dollar your now earning less. so location is key too.

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Jen Eick

11 years ago

Please, finish school and get the degree.

Reason? Because of what it will do to you psychologically if you don't complete something when you're halfway through with it already.

You think you want to do IM full time, but let's say you decide at one point it's not for you. (Or even if you don't.) The decisions you make today could come back to haunt you tomorrow. It's a lot easier, psychologically, to finish what you started now, than to come back and complete it years down the road. And even if you never want to, you might have that tinge of regret that you did not finish what you started.

$800 is (as you know) probably not enough to live off very comfortably. However, it's definitely a sign that you have lots of potential in IM. Combine that with a computer science degree, and you'll have the world on a string.

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Lokahi

11 years ago

Couldn't you simply switch to another major or study in college? Who's to say Computer science is the only thing you can study there. Also, there is no question, the key to financial freedom in life is a college degree. Internet marketing and Google can be really flaky. If you are staking your future on either one, then you are likely to end up broke and homeless. Use your affiliate marketing to supplement your income. Think of it another way, your potential clients will be more impressed dealing with a college grad than a college drop out.

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MikeFranks

11 years ago

I was gonna write a full speech about why you should stay in college then why you should follow your dreams and do what you want to do and not what your parents say...But I find this quote a hella' more effective.

"I failed in some subjects in exam, but my friend passed in all. Now he is an engineer in Microsoft and I am the owner of Microsoft."

Maybe it'll help or not, either way good luck with your choice. I'm also in College, lol. (UK)

-Mike.

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jason1985

11 years ago

just do what you feel is more practical for you right now. Either one isnt going anywhere. IM will always be here and college. but for me college is the weaker link and no longer practial for me. even if i got the degree, its not a success. so if u feel like getting the degree isnt a success for you then do IM. Or vice versa.

at the end of the day, you cant always force to do something you dont want to do. If you feel you have the drive for IM and can maintain that drive, and accept that IM will also get hard once in a while, but keep pushing because of the benifits then you will do fine in IM. DO you feel you will be successful in school? even when forcing yourself? do you see any benifit even when you get your degree? way the pros and cons, also look at what you are more pationate about now, where do you also feel your progressing more?

Then go by that. Both will be there. for me personally IM is the way out for me and realistic then getting a degree which is half the battle.

if you wanted to do IT and IM i would put a cemester on hold and get your cert for IT, because like i mentioned Certs WILL help you if thats what your wondering, even having basic A+ can get you easily in computer jobs at least then degree alone.

then after you get your a cert or 2, maybe take a semester off and go full effort on a IM project as best as you can for few months. then go back for a semster, then take next one off and either finish project for IM or scale it, or add another one to keep streams coming in.

But remember a degree doesnt make you stable magically like everyone makes it seem. Whats the expense also? and what is the return investment? if it will put you in a financial hold then i would just put it off, build up ur income in IM then use it to pay your school as you go back into it, with out having to take out loans.

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SpreyeGuy

11 years ago

Speaking of computer science courses that you are taking. I am older than most of you so programming is super confusing for me. I have just started taking a computer science course and have to complete our first assignment. If you know about JavaScript and are willing to help me with this task before tomorrow, you will be compensated. Please PM me if you have any interest. The assignment is as follows:

The first step in your program will be to get a number from the user. You will use a "prompt" statement to do this (remember to do the "safe" prompt which converts the text to a number). Ask the user for an integer to be an upper limit (see "Points for Thought" below). Your program will then produce several computations from the sequence of integers from 1 to whatever upper limit the user has given.
You will compute these values:

the sum of the integers from 1 to the upper limit (including the upper limit)
the square root of the sum of all integers in the sequence
the sum of the floor of the square root of each integers in the sequence (remember the floor is the integer part of a number with decimal places)
the product of all the integers in the sequence
the average of all the integers in the sequence

Each result you compute will be reported in an "alert" statement.

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celente

11 years ago

I have a degree in Multimedia

Not only was this the best thing I ever did, its something no one can ever take away from me. SO that is why I did it.

Plus the fact that it does help me with some factions within my IM career....and even though I am not that computer literate it still has given me lots of real world experience, and that is what young kids need these days. I say do not quit, stick it out, unless you already have an IM business online doing $50k - $100k per year.

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misshang

11 years ago

I was thinking why all the college post recently too. Of course new semester is coming but is it all about it? Is it because of the bad economy and the money involved in getting your college education?

Ok. If you are paid to get your college education, 1000 every month when you stay in college in another country and they even pay for your insurance, tuition is cheap and room and board is cheap, do you think it's good chance and will you ask this question again? (I am not talking about theory, in my country this does happen to foreigners)

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Colin Fox

11 years ago

I was told that if you can't build a business part time, you won't be able to build it full time. I would stick with the course or see about moving points to another program and keep working on the business part time until you can show your folks that you can earn really good money online. That way it will push you to succeed quicker. also, i've been in higher education and found it useful. Not doing anything with it either but it taught me how to get things done under pressure, time management, writing, focus, will power and the social side was good

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MouseandMice

11 years ago

I posted this in the other thread, I'll post it here too...

As I've said before, the one thing that all successful people have in common is a thirst for knowledge. They get nourishment from learning.

That is the point of college. Broadening your horizons.

If you don't have that trait, I'd suggest you try your best to get it... because, without it, chances are you won't be successful.

The best copywriters are ones who know a sh*tload about multiples industries and areas. There is a reason for that. This is just as true for the best CEOs, the best investors, the best speechwriters, the best chefs, and so on.

My two cents.

Ps- Also, pretty sure you stand more to gain by finishing your degree than you do by not. As I've said before, the one thing that all successful people have in common is a thirst for knowledge. They get nourishment from learning.

That is the point of college. Broadening your horizons.

If you don't have that trait, I'd suggest you try your best to get it... because, without it, chances are you won't be successful.

The best copywriters are ones who know a sh*tload about multiples industries and areas. There is a reason for that. This is just as true for the best CEOs, the best investors, the best speechwriters, the best chefs, and so on.

My two cents.

Ps- Also, pretty sure you stand more to gain by finishing your degree than you do by not.

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usfemail

11 years ago

I understand where you are coming from. I am currently in school going full-time and it gets in the way of internet marketing.

However, if you continue working on your internet marketing business while in school, you may not have to get a job when you get done.

Nothing wrong with getting an education and having another means to make an income. Doesn't mean that you have to get a job. You will just have the knowledge to branch out and make an income with another means.

Do both get an education and increase your income online. It will pay off in the end. Good luck

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Quit college man, nothing ever came from someone that has an education.
I mean really. All the people out there making money do not have a degree why should you, right?

I would first yell at the dean when you leave school to make sure you can't get back in.

Then I would go home and ramp up the volume on affiliate marketing and then the U.S. will probably say were going to tax all affiliate platforms and they will stop letting you be an affiliate or you will get kicked off all your affiliate sites, then you can go flip hamburgers because you have no education.

I hope I helped you out with my post. ;-)

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MatthewM

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

Quit college man, nothing ever came from someone that has an education.
I mean really. All the people out there making money do not have a degree why should you, right?

I would first yell at the dean when you leave school to make sure you can't get back in.

Then I would go home and ramp up the volume on affiliate marketing and then the U.S. will probably say were going to tax all affiliate platforms and they will stop letting you be an affiliate or you will get kicked off all your affiliate sites, then you can go flip hamburgers because you have no education.

I hope I helped you out with my post. ;-)

Nice sarcasm.

So you are saying people who don't make it in affiliate marketing, who don't have a college degree will end up flipping burgers if they don't make it? Brilliant.

Go to school, get good grades, get the job you want. That's America biggest lie. 62 percent of college grads don't have jobs in their field of study, not to forget all the ones in the job search lines. Poor people incapable of functioning without a job to produce an income. They don't know any other way because they were taught you need to work for someone else in order to make a living.

or.....

Great. Go to school to be a computer IT specialist and end up settling for an assistant manager position at @ wal-mart or a phone drone for some customer service company you absolutely can't stand and feel good knowing you have a degree when you get laid off because your job was outsourced to another country.

Funny because the highest paying jobs in America are sales jobs. Most don't require degrees. They only require closers or people with a track record of producing results. Many with uncapped earning potential.

Sweet try working your way up the corporate pyramid. How many managers to employees ratios in most companies. Great ODDS. Based on the odds you will just be a drone with no hope of growth and when you get laid off for all your hard work you can feel happy knowing you have a degree.

School just gets you ready for the work place, to get the future workers ready to be obedient and follow instructions. Find a college course on success.

The ceo of facebook dropped of college to pursue his dream. Glad he didn't end up flipping burgers. Being a programing prodigy helps but I doubt he will ever wish he finished his Harvard degree.

Some people take chances, some people don't. Just how it is. Some people are comfortable living a simple life, with a simple job, with a simple house, with a simple car and are happy with that.

Other people aren't and push themselves even further. School doesn't teach success. It just teaches students how to make it in the work place. If a safe and secure job is what you want (no such thing), get your degree. Chances are you won't we working in your field of study and live an unhappy work life.

IM isn't the only way for someone to be their own man.

The one thing I can guarantee is a lifetime of debt. The American Way. :-)

I know a high school drop out. He makes $500 a day selling hot dog. :-). He didn't settle for a job. He created one. Living better than the next guy with a degree with his $2000 cart, $50 quarterly street vendor license and his go getter attitude.

Next year he plans on having 5 more carts throughout the city.

He loves his business and what it provides for him. Works when he wants.

Dumb luck? I don't think so.

Do what you feel is best for you and don't let anybody act like they are some authority on what is best for you. Be your own MAN/WOMAN and ignore the haters that are just dying for a chance to say I told you so.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

No What I am saying is secure your future, NOT YOUR FUTURE but your families future.

What I am saying is show you can accomplish something.
What I am saying is educate your self. What the hell is wrong with marketing as a major with a minor in customer service, do you not think that will help you out.

I'm saying that yes if you for some reason can not do affiliate sales and don't think that it's not possible because it very much is so, but if you can do it then you have pretty much been out of the workforce, you have no degree and very very few people are going to count your IM business as a business.

Do you know there are tons of employers that will hire you with a degree, it doesn't matter if you have a degree in general studies and the job is related to Automotive Service, they hire because your degree shows them you can accomplish something, that your not some smart elick that goes to forums and tries to tell people they don't need an education.

I will say there are different ways of attaining an education but if your going and can go why would you quit. You can more than do IM on the net and go to school at the same time.

I will say that MatthewM will probably be flipping burgers some day.

Originally Posted by MatthewM

Nice sarcasm.

So you are saying people who don't make it in affiliate marketing, who don't have a college degree will end up flipping burgers if they don't make it? Brilliant.

Go to school, get good grades, get the job you want. That's America biggest lie. 62 percent of college grads don't have jobs in their field of study, not to forget all the ones in the job search lines. Poor people incapable of functioning without a job to produce an income. They don't know any other way because they were taught you need to work for someone else in order to make a living.

or.....

Great. Go to school to be a computer IT specialist and end up settling for an assistant manager position at @ wal-mart or a phone drone for some customer service company you absolutely can't stand and feel good knowing you have a degree when you get laid off because your job was outsourced to another country.

Funny because the highest paying jobs in America are sales jobs. Most don't require degrees. They only require closers or people with a track record of producing results. Many with uncapped earning potential.

Sweet try working your way up the corporate pyramid. How many managers to employees ratios in most companies. Great ODDS. Based on the odds you will just be a drone with no hope of growth and when you get laid off for all your hard work you can feel happy knowing you have a degree.

School just gets you ready for the work place, to get the future workers ready to be obedient and follow instructions. Find a college course on success.

The ceo of facebook dropped of college to pursue his dream. Glad he didn't end up flipping burgers. Being a programing prodigy helps but I doubt he will ever wish he finished his Harvard degree.

Some people take chances, some people don't. Just how it is. Some people are comfortable living a simple life, with a simple job, with a simple house, with a simple car and are happy with that.

Other people aren't and push themselves even further. School doesn't teach success. It just teaches students how to make it in the work place. If a safe and secure job is what you want (no such thing), get your degree. Chances are you won't we working in your field of study and live an unhappy work life.

IM isn't the only way for someone to be their own man.

The one thing I can guarantee is a lifetime of debt. The American Way. :-)

I know a high school drop out. He makes $500 a day selling hot dog. :-). He didn't settle for a job. He created one. Living better than the next guy with a degree with his $2000 cart, $50 quarterly street vendor license and his go getter attitude.

Next year he plans on having 5 more carts throughout the city.

He loves his business and what it provides for him. Works when he wants.

Dumb luck? I don't think so.

Do what you feel is best for you and don't let anybody act like they are some authority on what is best for you. Be your own MAN/WOMAN and ignore the haters that are just dying for a chance to say I told you so.

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Michael Franklin

11 years ago

You will always find varying responses for this sort of subject.

.Take a look at the following two blog posts. It just might change your view towards college:

James Altucher: Don't Send Your Kids To College

James Altucher: 10 More Reasons Why Parents Should Not Send Their Kids To College

Personally, I think James is right on the money with his perspectives on this but, in any event, see if what he says resonates at all with you.

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djneill

11 years ago

I wanted to go to college after High School for software engineer but long story short my old man screwed me.
After landing the highest paying job you can without a degree as a mailman for $23 an hr US I quickly realized it sucks and enrolled in an online college. This year they cut my pay 29.8% to $16 an hr.
Online schools are viewed as degree mills and if your lucky you may get offered an entry level job. I been making money online but not enough to live on, until I got a mentor.
I never told anyone I dropped out of college until I started making over $100 a day regularly. Now I'm constantly being asked to teach others and the coaching alone is making me a killing, right now it's just private until further notice but that alone is making more then that college degree would have.
If this is what you want to do and you can start making at least 3k or more then leaving school is your choice but if you like it and it makes you happy then do what you truly want to do but don't do something if you think you may regret it later.

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muchodinero

11 years ago

exactly!! having an education feels like a waste but it's almost a right of passage many great minds bypassed to pursue their dreams. I advise you finish, get a degree and continue MLM...many of my younger members go to school and have a fulltime income....

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BloggerDeen

11 years ago

I am not surprised why this post resonate with so many warriors here. To be frank my graduation hasn't helped me at all in getting where I am today. I start jumping from one job to another, I was never meant to be in 9 to 5 race. If you strongly feel going college is waste of time then leave it. Remember all these Phd holders work for college dropouts....

Originally Posted by diizzle

Going to be starting my second year of computer science of a 4 year course soon and I am not looking forward to going back, Have not enjoyed the course so far, the work involved had my mentally drained at times, I just feel the things I'm putting all the hours into learning will have almost zero benefit when I leave the college.

I also hate the idea of getting a degree and jumping into a job with a pretty much set wage working 9-5 being told what to do, another sheep in the herd

My parents really want me to go on, I feel like I'm pushing on with it just for the sake of them.

I earn around $800 monthly through affiliate marketing living at home, I feel the possibilities would be endless if I could dedicate myself fully to internet marketing , I even have ideas to start my own business with a friend.

What is the warriors opinion on college? All that work just for a piece of paper which will likely land you a desk job 9-5 for life? Is it really worth it?

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by BloggerDeen

Remember all these Phd holders work for college dropouts....

Overall, this is simply untrue. College dropouts who are employing PhD holders are the very rare exceptions about whom one hears so much because they're exceptions. It should surprise nobody that it's overwhelmingly more common for the people with the PhD's to be employing the former college dropouts. :rolleyes:

Overall, statistically, there's a hugely closely correlated relationship, all over the world, between educational levels attained and average incomes achieved. There will always be rare exceptions, of course, like those "Gates" and "Zuckerberg" guys, who had such impeccable academic credentials that they got in to Harvard with no problem, and attribute their own successes to having done so (even if those two happened - exceptionally - not to graduate).

The Myth of the Successful College Dropout: Why It Could Make Millions of Young Americans Poorer - Robert J. Zimmer - The Atlantic
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- SuperDJ 11 years ago
  
  Do whatever you wanna do man. People can throw statistics all over the fence - but before my children attend college/university, I will ask them a very important question.
  
  1) Is this really what you want to do?
  
  If your heart doesn't resonate with it 100%, why spend your time and money doing it. I love how people seem to make the assertion that a degree is an absolute necessity in the modern world. Just because nearly everyone has one, doesn't mean that those without are going to lose out.
  
  Think for yourself. Is this what you want? Yes? Continue with it. No? Then get a job and work on your empire.
  
  Focus on building skills. Build your career capital. That imo, is far more important than any degree.
  
  Build your empire, throw your soul into it - and see what happens. Risky? Yes. Scary? Even more so. Accept the challenge, embrace the thought of failure and use it to propel yourself further. I love a challenge tbh - sometimes security can be somewhat overrated. There is no guarantee that you're going to fall into a good-job just because you have a degree. More and more employers (in the UK), are giving less of a rat's ass about it.
  
  I mean we have so many confused kids nowadays. Studying non-vocational degrees and actually expect to get very far with it. Who will give you a job if you have a degree in Photography for example? Also in the UK, nearly every female has a psychology degree, that you can't tell anybody apart because their CV's all look the same.
  
  Without being elitist, if you're doing a degree that isn't Law, Medicine, Dentistry, Mathematics, Economics or Science related.. don't think you're going to have an advantage over those without degrees who decided to build both skills and experience.
  
  God help any soul that wants to study Pharmacy in 2013 in the UK - you'll just be a human dispenser in Boots for the rest of your life.
  
  If I had no interest or love for Science and Medicine - I wouldn't do a degree. £9,000 a year - absolutely laughable. Who says going to University will make you a better team player than someone who has actually worked in a team in a working-environment for the past 4-5 years?
  
  There is a wealth of difference between going to college and getting an education. NEVER EVER STOP LEARNING, and expanding your mind. Continue to do so laterally.
  
  Scott H Young, completed a 4-year MIT degree in 12 months using only online resources.
  
  An education is important. The institution however is not.
  
  Too many confused children in our society, being indoctrinated that a degree is the only path. If anything, too many people have degrees, they've actually lost their importance and relevance. Speaking from a UK perspective.
  
  Good luck with whatever you wish to do. If a degree is the only thing an individual comes out of University/College with, then I have to say - you dossed about and wasted your time and money.
  
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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Hasn't helped you at all has it not.
Didn't teach you to study, didn't teach you common sense, logical thinking, reasoning, deduction.
Did not teach you to do something and finish it, didn't teach you to be on schedule.

Ok whatever.............................

Originally Posted by BloggerDeen

I am not surprised why this post resonate with so many warriors here. To be frank my graduation hasn't helped me at all in getting where I am today. I start jumping from one job to another, I was never meant to be in 9 to 5 race. If you strongly feel going college is waste of time then leave it. Remember all these Phd holders work for college dropouts....

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JohnMcCabe 11 years ago

It's funny. Really getting comical.

Lots of "you'll get a bunch of different answers" comments.

The truth is, you're only getting two answers, and they're not "stay in school" or "drop out."

Answer #1: Do your own thing, man...

Answer #2: Validate me by doing what I did.

Aside from that, all you have is a few individual dick-measuring contests going on.

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TheFury

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BloggerDeen

I am not surprised why this post resonate with so many warriors here. To be frank my graduation hasn't helped me at all in getting where I am today. I start jumping from one job to another, I was never meant to be in 9 to 5 race. If you strongly feel going college is waste of time then leave it. Remember all these Phd holders work for college dropouts....

This is delusional. It is like saying that because a couple people won the lottery you should quit your job and play the lottery for a living.

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Story

11 years ago

No doubt that you will get varying response regarding college education, but degree course is not just about learning the soon-to-be-outdated technical stuffs. College is a great place for you to grow mentally, spiritually.

Look at those people who completed college and who don't. Can you see the difference in the way they carry themselves, the way they talk?

Same goes for 9-5 work. I never liked office work, but going 9-5 for a few years have taught me so much knowledge and gain me more experience. It has changed me to a much more mature person.

It's not just about academics, there's much more to gain from it. And I believe that such knowledge will help you greatly in many years to come.

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celebcaleb

11 years ago

Why not do both side by side? this is the age you have lots of energy, motivation and aid. I say stay in school and explore IM simultaneously.

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Tijs

11 years ago

Very deep question.

Many colleges suck in teaching and could do much better at challenging students.

You say you are starting your second year right now. 800 bucks a month is very nice as extra, it is still below average (at least in my country)

Sometimes I feel I could do much better with more time on my hands. The things is, I think it's sometimes good to follow something you started through to the end. Doesn't have to be straight A's and all. It'll give you that paper that could help you if you're in need for a job.. and after that and in your spare time: you can go all out on your own business.

Good luck with your decision man!

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emelef

11 years ago

How do you all have time for such long winded posts... don't you have businesses to run?

As for this post... college is not easy, an online business is not easy... but commit to one or the other or if you've got stamina do both. You will learn stuff in college that you can apply to your business. But don't go to college as a back-up... you are already setting yourself up to fail at your business. Finish college to support your business through additional knowledge, not because you're scared your online business will fail. If you want a guarantee with either choice - it doesn't exist. Work hard and focus and you will be successful.

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jason1985

11 years ago

Originally Posted by emelef

How do you all have time for such long winded posts... don't you have businesses to run?

As for this post... college is not easy, an online business is not easy... but commit to one or the other or if you've got stamina do both. You will learn stuff in college that you can apply to your business. But don't go to college as a back-up... you are already setting yourself up to fail at your business. Finish college to support your business through additional knowledge, not because you're scared your online business will fail. If you want a guarantee with either choice - it doesn't exist. Work hard and focus and you will be successful.

you dont have to type all at once, add, abit and add abit. im actually at my main j.o.b. at the moment, and business dont always need u to be their 24/7 . just like pending on how studious you are, you may or maynot need to study all day. but anyway, yes they are both not easy, but the one you have passion for will be slightly more motivating for the person or make it seem easier. thats the point i was making. u know they are both hard so if he is intrested in at least 1 more then the other, it just looks obvious to me. and hes making more then i am in IM at the moment and most others. just as you would spot talent, 'you could be a great doctor one day' i see talent as 'u could def be a great IM'er'

u just made a guarantee "Work hard and focus and you will be successful", thats what i said as well. so if its something he likes more its the obvious choice. he showed he worked hard in IM and focused, and clearly hes already more successful then alot in IM at that stage and age. so u just kinda answered him lol. cause if he even got the degree with bad grades, it already a disadvantage

but good quote u mentioned

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jason1985

11 years ago

thats pretty much it john, just had to put details between them. and @MatthewM , i agree what you said, that blackguy in those vids above ! he makes 550-600 a day from his hotdog cart. ANd he pays no royalties, he bought a blank cart, made the brand from scratch. only thing he would of had to pay is maybe a license if anything. and he has 3 carts! the other 2 carts he has employees on it and guess what.

the cart he personally runs when he FEELS like it goes straight to savings! because thats not his main job he does wayyyy more other things like finance etc. imagine making thatmuch a day from a hotdog 550-600 all for you no royalties AND goes staight to savings?!!!! i know peple would laugh but yet somehow they actually have College courses and And assosites/BA to be a clown........

thats why im thankful of learning and discovering IM and the forum. ITs not about what you sell, its knowing IF OR why it will sell. work smarter not harder. i bet if someones child make this much money, college is the last thing they are worried of

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Jordan Hunter

Banned 11 years ago

I can't be impartial with a question like this because I am a college graduate, that said you need to do what you feel works best for you. If you truly don't have the heart to complete your degree that has to be your choice or you will regret it.

Affiliate marketing is great but it doesn't hurt to have a back up plan is there?

I'm sorry for the good cop bad cop bit but in the end you have to know that no one but you can make this life changing decision. I wish you the best in what ever you choose.

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jason1985

11 years ago

http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...-age-15-a.html

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J Bold

11 years ago

I think when it comes down to it, we all just hate the idea of real life.

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jason1985

11 years ago

lol, badabang! lol

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Kevin Williams

11 years ago

I was going to read this whole thread, but damn it's huge.

As a programmer, a degree is pointless. Especially in my field (video game programming). A portfolio and proven experience will win out every time.

Most employers don't even look at the education section of the resume and will specifically tell you to put it at the end.

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jason1985

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

I was going to read this whole thread, but damn it's huge.

As a programmer, a degree is pointless. Especially in my field (video game programming). A portfolio and proven experience will win out every time.

Most employers don't even look at the education section of the resume and will specifically tell you to put it at the end.

yep, u need samples and stuff. I got older cousins who are big in IT for almost 20 years one in Lucent technologies (where they build chips) and his younger brother who use be a programmer for homeland security. but he left to do his own thing. Something like GOogle earth he made.

But he told me years ago that it depends on your area where the programming style is different. like for video games you have to program with optimization in mind so get the best frame rates. in government stuff you need to program with accuracy. cool stuff. but makes my mind numb

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MatthewM 11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

I will say that MatthewM will probably be flipping burgers some day.

Thank you for my free psychic reading. Hustle N' Smoke Dive Bar & Grill. Kind of catchy. :-)
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Stacy Fleetwood

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Art of Marketing

That College (tuition, books that are outdated after a single semester, student loans etc) is the ultimate successful marketing tactic/campaign in itself.

-Art

That's the truth.

I personally need a back-up strategy though. For me, I felt I needed to go to college because if I NEEDED a decent 9-5 then I had a better chance at getting one.

That's just me though.

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jason1985

11 years ago

this is what happens when you cant pay your loans in time or minimum

Suze Orman discusses student debt at the Remaking...

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Walter Parrish

11 years ago

LOL
All you guys have me cracking up

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And I think many still don't get it.

Alexa made it clear when she talked about exposure more or less. I talked about
experiences a little.

What I did is went back over my experience and skill set and life and realized that the bulk of being as good as I am came from college exposure.

As far as Andrew you still miss the point the point is you are going to learn the same exact thing in IM as you would have learned in college in a shorter period of time. You would have been better off taking college courses to at least learn what you need to bring in a 6 or 7 digit income from marketing and then drop out.

To Jason I understand your point exactly, but again you are not going to be exposed to as many people as you would in a college atmosphere. And I don't care you fail or how many times you fail. No one said life was going to be easy, so you find a school that will accept you or maybe learn on your own to get the skills you need, but never give up on anything.

Now, lets talk reality here lolol. Bill Gates had an IQ and parents with money and degrees to expose him to the right people. So, he wasn't just a drop out, he was intelligent, had money, had exposure, had the hookups, bottom line its going to be rare to see Bill Gates types in IM.

As far as Mark Zuckerberg is concerned Like I said before if you guys would learn business, expose yourself to different people then you would know that Facebook is a social experiment funded by big business and Zukerberg is it's front man.

If you want someone to look up to try learning about Jobs he was the real deal and the only one I can look at as actually have done something. I believe in creativity not all this competition crap lol, there's to many idiots out in the world holding power positions.

Lets talk about what happens when you don't have your papers or reputation. Let's use Gates as an example lol. If the guys who created DOS didn't bother to get degrees do you think anyone cares in 2013? How would they prove themselves to an employer, or someone who is contractor or just someone who needs the work done???

Thats why I said you either need to be well known or have paper otherwise down the road you will be in trouble. I've known many people who have created systems, and were responsible for major inventions. They did extremely well when they were young and now a lot are homeless and working jobs that no one else wants.

That's why I stress paper, because the majority ain't Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

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Kevin Williams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

If you want someone to look up to try learning about Jobs he was the real deal and the only one I can look at as actually have done something.

Trolling? Jobs... lol.

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

If the guys who created DOS didn't bother to get degrees do you think anyone cares in 2013? How would they prove themselves to an employer, or someone who is contractor or just someone who needs the work done???

Hell yes they would care! Are you kidding me? All that matters in programming is a portfolio, not a piece of paper that says you learned the basics in a classroom. By the time you finish a degree half of it is outdated anyway.

The guy who created DOS would obviously have an awesome grasp of low-level languages and would land a job almost instantly.

Don't specify a certain niche if you don't understand that job niche.

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Walter Parrish

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

Trolling? Jobs... lol.

Hell yes they would care! Are you kidding me? All that matters in programming is a portfolio, not a piece of paper that says you learned the basics in a classroom. By the time you finish a degree half of it is outdated anyway.

The guy who created DOS would obviously have an awesome grasp of low-level languages and would land a job almost instantly.

Don't specify a certain niche if you don't understand that job niche.

LOL you sound like another one without a degree or experience

Tell me which part of a CS degree do you think would be obsolete?

Nothing, beats experience Nothing. If you start at the beginning of anything then you are going to have a better grasp of the whole.

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Kevin Williams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

LOL you sound like another one without a degree or experience

Tell me which part of a CS degree do you think would be obsolete?

Nothing, beats experience Nothing. If you start at the beginning of anything then you are going to have a better grasp of the whole.

I dropped out of college, yes, and got a full-time job as a programmer immediately. I've also had to turn down jobs at Blizzard and EA already, and I'm 23.

It's just that you can learn everything needed without going to college. University/college is a good way to waste money with computer science. You can learn it all online in a few months if you're dedicated, I did it in high school - it just took me a couple terms of college to realize I already knew everything they were teaching.

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Walter Parrish

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

I dropped out of college, yes, and got a full-time job as a programmer immediately. I've also had to turn down jobs at Blizzard and EA already, and I'm 23.

It's just that you can learn everything needed without going to college. University/college is a good way to waste money with computer science. You can learn it all online in a few months if you're dedicated, I did it in high school - it just took me a couple terms of college to realize I already knew everything they were teaching.

Sure you can learn on your own if you have drive and you're smart, but like I said before proving that you're educated to the masses of people or an employer is another story.

And for the record nothing in a formal degree is obsolete, formal education is there to give you the basics and after that you can take it where you want.

The U.S. does pay for schooling, but it's just that not everyone focuses on education so most don't get to go free. Most people who get their kids into Ivy League schools focus on education when the children are very young.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

Sure you can learn on your own if you have drive and you're smart, but like I said before proving that you're educated to the masses of people or an employer is another story

And here, my friend, lies the difference between an employee-minded person and an entrepreneur (which is what I thought this forum was about: online entrepreneurship... apparently I was wrong... :rolleyes: )

As an entrepreneur, you don't need to prove jack to anyone. So an employer doesn't believe that I know my craft because I have no degree? who cares, I am in business to create my own company and my own wealth, not to wage myself away to make someone else rich.

Originally Posted by Walter Parrish

And for the record nothing in a formal degree is obsolete, formal education is there to give you the basics and after that you can take it where you want.

Hhmmm... 5 years of my prime age and $60,000+ in student loans to learn "the basics" that can be anyway learned on your own?!?! talk about a bad ROI!

Kid yourself not: college doesn't give you an education (you can educate yourself at your local library in a fraction of the time). College gives you an official stamp, period. Whether you give a damn about the official stamp is up to you, but if you're into entrepreneurship, that stamp is worth VERY little indeed.

PS: for the records, I did get my degree in Business back in college. Guess what? I never actually used any of that theoretical mambo jumbo in my business.

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ronrule

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

And here, my friend, lies the difference between an employee-minded person and an entrepreneur (which is what I thought this forum was about: online entrepreneurship... apparently I was wrong... :rolleyes: )

As an entrepreneur, you don't need to prove jack to anyone. So an employer doesn't believe that I know my craft because I have no degree? who cares, I am in business to create my own company and my own wealth, not to wage myself away to make someone else rich.

Hhmmm... 5 years of my prime age and $60,000+ in student loans to learn "the basics" that can be anyway learned on your own?!?! talk about a bad ROI!

Kid yourself not: college doesn't give you an education (you can educate yourself at your local library in a fraction of the time). College gives you an official stamp, period. Whether you give a damn about the official stamp is up to you, but if you're into entrepreneurship, that stamp is worth VERY little indeed.

PS: for the records, I did get my degree in Business back in college. Guess what? I never actually used any of that theoretical mambo jumbo in my business.

There's one flaw in your argument; Entrepreneurs aren't always successful on the first few tries. Sometimes you have to get a job in between ventures to make ends meet ... do you want that job to include the phrase "do you want fries with that" or do you want the "in between" job to come with a $120k salary, or more, and be enough to make ends meet and save up the capital to start the next gig?

It doesn't matter whether you ever intend to use the "official stamp" or not, it's better to have it than not have it. It will never hurt you. Not having it might.

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Anonymous Affiliate

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

There's one flaw in your argument; Entrepreneurs aren't always successful on the first few tries. Sometimes you have to get a job in between ventures to make ends meet ... "in between" job to come with a $120k salary, or more, and be enough to make ends meet and save up the capital to start the next gig?

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm afraid that you're VERY out of touch with current reality if you believe that anyone will score, now a days, a $120,000/year "in between" job without a loooong corporate career under you belt, which will obviously not happen if you're an entrepreneur who's mostly been focusing your professional life on your own projects (we're still under the basis that this forum is aimed to online entrepreneurs, right? Sometimes I doubt it as I read the replies on this thread... :rolleyes: ).

News flash: jobs for college graduates pay a rickety $30,000/year now a days, and jobs are not plentiful at all under the current economic circumstances.

Originally Posted by ronrule

It doesn't matter whether you ever intend to use the "official stamp" or not, it's better to have it than not have it. It will never hurt you. Not having it might.

You talk as if getting a college degree comes for free, instantly and effortlessly. Guess what: it doesn't. You have to put in 5 years of your PRIME age (your 20s) and US$60,000+ in student loans.

So, here's an ROI-based dilemma for you: would you rather invest 5 years and 60 grand in an asset you won't use as an entrepreneur, or would you rather invest those resources into your own start up? As an entrepreneur, I sure know what I would choose... As an employee, most likely my option would be different though.

Question is, therefore: are we entrepreneurs or are we employees? And then choose your path accordingly...

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TheFury 11 years ago

A college degree isn't about learning... it's about the piece of paper, which if you go to a good school especially, is worth WAY more than you pay for it for most people. Plus, there are a lot of loan and grant options nowadays that college isn't nearly as expensive you may think.
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ronrule

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm afraid that you're VERY out of touch with current reality if you believe that anyone will score, now a days, a $120,000/year "in between" job without a loooong corporate career under you belt, which will obviously not happen if you're an entrepreneur who's mostly been focusing your professional life on your own projects (we're still under the basis that this forum is aimed to online entrepreneurs, right? Sometimes I doubt it as I read the replies on this thread... :rolleyes: ).

Out of touch? You're thinking very short-term, man... I've done exactly what I'm talking about recently. I've had maybe 4 "real jobs" in my lifetime, and a variety of both successes and failures as an Entrepreneur in between. Accepting a Director or VP role in a large company will get you the higher salary, and you'll be able to land that role by having both a degree and an entrepreneurial mindset with leadership roles under your belt a lot easier than the guy who only has one or the other.

News flash: jobs for college graduates pay a rickety $30,000/year now a days, and jobs are not plentiful at all under the current economic circumstances.

It's easy (and foolish) to lump statistics together that way, but what do the numbers really mean? It means some degrees are stupid. What are you going to do if you major in philosophy? Are you going to be a philosopher for a living? That will get you the big bucks... :rolleyes:. Oh, or English - yeah! I'm going to major in my primary freaking language!? That will get you a $30k teaching job at best. I could pick these apart all day ... I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier in the thread or not, but I originally went to school for archaeology and anthropology. I thought it would be awesome... that when I got out, I would land a job where they issued me a bullwhip and a Fedora and sent me out on some Indiana Jones style adventure. Turns out, I would have had 3 job options: Volunteer on a project run by a university and hope I eventually got hired on salary, work for the Department of Justice's mass graves unit scraping dead people out of the ground in foreign countries, or work for Walmart - yes, Walmart - because they send out anthropologists when they're going to build a Supercenter to make sure there aren't any native American remains. I'd have made $45k doing that. Woohoo! No need to explain why I switched...

The point is people are graduating with degrees that have no practical application in the real world. That's why they're making $30k.

You talk as if getting a college degree comes for free, instantly and effortlessly. Guess what: it doesn't. You have to put in 5 years of your PRIME age (your 20s) and US$60,000+ in student loans.

Now you just sound thick-headed ... this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say you're thinking short term. I have to guess you're attempting to be humorous, because you'll fail as an entrepreneur if this is your mindset. I can tell you this much though... I'm having a lot more fun in my life now (I'm 34) than any of my friends ever did in their 20's. Especially the ones who skipped out on an education to run their own businesses. Most of them are starting a new company every year or two, still not finding success and having to take crappy jobs in between to make ends meet. Even the ones who did are just kind of going with it, making the same money they would have made in a regular job, but with the added headaches of running the business. Two years ago I wanted a new Corvette and I wrote a check for it. In fact, I have no debt at all - cars, house, everything is paid for. You can drone on and on how much the corporate world sucks, but I can tell you first hand that even when one of my past ventures failed and hit hard, I was never worried about an income because I had the skills, experience, and the paperwork to get any job I wanted.

So, here's an ROI-based dilemma for you: would you rather invest 5 years and 60 grand in an asset you won't use as an entrepreneur, or would you rather invest those resources into your own start up? As an entrepreneur, I sure know what I would choose... As an employee, most likely my option would be different though.

The error with your thinking here is that you "won't use" those resources. Let's say your little venture grew and you needed to raise outside capital, hire employees, etc. Would you know how to put a budget together? Do you know how to manage people? Would you know how to create an org chart, revenue projections, or prepare and file a 10K? I used to think just like you did - that going to school was a waste of time and I would never use any of the "dumb crap" I learned. But you know what? I was wrong ... I just didn't know I was wrong until I was 30. A $60k loan at 1% interest is nothing, man. You have an entrepreneurial spirit, if you combined that with the knowledge and paperwork to back it up, I have no doubt you would make that money back very quickly. When you're my age and decide you want to take a month-long vacation, or pay cash for a 4,000 sq.ft. house, you'll be glad you did. There's security in the combination of academic achievement and entrepreneurship that neither has alone.

Question is, therefore: are we entrepreneurs or are we employees? And then choose your path accordingly...

The most successful entrepreneurs have been both.

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TheFury

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

Hhmmm... 5 years of my prime age and $60,000+ in student loans to learn "the basics" that can be anyway learned on your own?!?! talk about a bad ROI!

Kid yourself not: college doesn't give you an education (you can educate yourself at your local library in a fraction of the time). College gives you an official stamp, period. Whether you give a damn about the official stamp is up to you, but if you're into entrepreneurship, that stamp is worth VERY little indeed.

PS: for the records, I did get my degree in Business back in college. Guess what? I never actually used any of that theoretical mambo jumbo in my business.

Lol. I thought I was in my prime in college also.... You must be young because you aren't even close to your prime and let me tell you, 60k over a lifetime is CHUMP CHANGE. A degree from a good school is one of the best ROIs there is. Yea, if you go to some third tier sh1t school and get straight Cs you won't make money off that, but that's a different story altogether.

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Walter Parrish

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

And here, my friend, lies the difference between an employee-minded person and an entrepreneur (which is what I thought this forum was about: online entrepreneurship... apparently I was wrong... :rolleyes: )

As an entrepreneur, you don't need to prove jack to anyone. So an employer doesn't believe that I know my craft because I have no degree? who cares, I am in business to create my own company and my own wealth, not to wage myself away to make someone else rich.

Hhmmm... 5 years of my prime age and $60,000+ in student loans to learn "the basics" that can be anyway learned on your own?!?! talk about a bad ROI!

Kid yourself not: college doesn't give you an education (you can educate yourself at your local library in a fraction of the time). College gives you an official stamp, period. Whether you give a damn about the official stamp is up to you, but if you're into entrepreneurship, that stamp is worth VERY little indeed.

PS: for the records, I did get my degree in Business back in college. Guess what? I never actually used any of that theoretical mambo jumbo in my business.

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I don't know what business you are in that you don't have to prove yourself. Either way you put it you have to prove yourself to your customers or the people you work for. Trust me if your numbers are wrong and you can't live up to your word then you will end up broke and alone.

I think like the other warrior said this is degenerating into a pissin contest lol.

As far as 60k in student loans if you learned and mastered your craft its all water under the bridge. What type of exposure do you think you would have without college??? seriously. And I've already said not everyone is a Jobs or Gates.

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justray

11 years ago

As some have already said, school is about many, many things. Education is perhaps the greatest part, but socialization, the networking, the discipline, the sacrifice, the drive, etc. These are but a few things which make up only a fraction of the college experience. I would never trade my college experience for anything in the world. Three years is not a long time. While you are in school build yourself successful business where you are in control. You never know what the future will bring. Good luck with your decision.

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Kevin Williams

11 years ago

I do want to add that if I lived in a country where you weren't expected to pay for your education for a decade after getting it, I might be more in favor of going through the process. Unfortunately our country has some issues and funding for education is one of them.

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chris3397

11 years ago

Hey Dizzle,

You are taking a computer science course and you are also interested and doing internet marketing. I'd say your course actually complements what you are are doing now and am sure will be useful in the future.

You are probably ahead of so many others in terms of techie stuff and chances are you are learning on some new tech as well.

With such knowledge, you can even start developing your own products eventually to complement your affiliate marketing.

try to look beyond the course and think of the possibilities of how to connect them with what you love doing.

and yes... whatever you finally decide to do - it involves WORK! that's a 4 letter word that you can't escape from.

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workdfitness

11 years ago

My opinion is going to be a bit biased. I went to college and got a degree. I did what they said you were supposed to do and have had to struggle to hold a job ever since and all I really have to show for it is a mountain of student loan debt. If I had known what I know now I am not so sure I would of gone to college. It sounds to me like you are already making money in the limited time you have. There are many programs out there that allow you to make a lot of money fast. Have you ever thought about taking that money you are earning and reinvesting some of it into marketing? This is exactly what I would do but I am by far not an expert in this field. I just know that systems work and if you find the right system you will start making a very good income. An income that is way greater than anything a job will ever be able to pay you.

What I feel what college is good for though is it teaches you to stick with something and reach your goals. It helps give you become a more well rounded person but hell you can do all that with an online business anyway.

So for me unless your intention is to get a job and be an employee college is not for you. On the other end of that your parents just want what is best for you and at least having a piece of paper is something you could fall back on if for whatever reason you were not able to make it with your business.

I am not sure if that helps but I wish I would of had the opportunities that are available now. I know if I did I never would of ended up with a huge student loan. You can't focus on the past though. Just my 2 cents.

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DBMEDIALLC

11 years ago

My question: How are you not learning anything useful in a computer science program? I'm taking computer science at a local technical college and we've learned incredibly useful skills in programming (c#), database development, etc. What on earth are they teaching you that you don't feel is practical? Surely programming is a big part of the program, right?

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bohemiansparks

10 years ago

A degree never got anyone anywhere stick around the forum try to learn how to earn some cash, set up a business part time while you finish your course (just incase as a back up) then when your raking it in come tell us how to do it too.

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naidyphoon

10 years ago

IMHO the only advantage (not benefit) of getting a college degree is increased employability in the near future, which is a perk I assume not congruent to your personal goals. I'm a college dropout myself. I come from a place where the thought of not going to college is thought to be absolutely absurd. I was the kind of student that would get high grades without paying attention at all in class. However I just didn't have the will to carry on. Cognitively I knew that I was wasting my time. (It was my fault though, I wasted my own time). Could I have forced myself to do so? Yeah, I guess. But I don't deal with cognitive dissonance well. I was absolutely miserable, and decided to quit despite the overwhelming normative social influence around me.

Motivation is not something you can rationalize. There's nothing in college that you can learn by yourself. All media are constructions. College syllabus are just one version of knowledge available to everyone. Even IF the structure in which knowledge is taught to you would be advantageous to you, it's just isn't worth the price (taken into consideration that increased employability is not a perk that you're interested in). But in this case, you've already paid for it ; and investing some time in college is an act bearable to you, the decision lies with you. But I doubt the latter is true since you've stated in the title of the thread "Really want to leave college". I might be wrong though.For me I couldn't spend a minute paying attention in class so it was a waste anyway.

As for having something to "fall back" on; (I assume) that you don't intend to make a job a long-term undertaking, there are many skills associated with building a business that can (and has made me when I was acquiring capital for my business) a decent living. And that is IF you intend to make a living from those jobs. You only "fail" when you give up, at least in IM, unless you make really big mistakes lol.

I guess my point is, as an entrepreneur, you have to control your own destiny; you'll have to make important decisions. Nobody can tell you your best course of action, as there's too many variables involved.Please let us know it goes, I eagerly await updates from you. All the best!

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