The Sedona method changed my life

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For those of you who don't know already about this product. The Sedona Method (alongside meditation) completely transformed my life. I've spent lots of money and time on other self-help products before and most of them didn't work. Some did but the success I got from them was short-lived, then I just fell back to my old patterns. I'd like to share what it has done for me, but first of all I wanna talk about what TSM is

TSM operates on the premise that in this moment, right here and now, we are already whole, complete, and perfect. It's just that our ego-based mind keeps us from realizing this. Our mind constantly tells us what's missing in our life, instead of what we already have. Our mind lives in either the past or the future, instead of in the present moment. All the power we need is in the present moment. So basically the ego-based mind is developed through social conditioning, stemming back to early childhood. Don't get me wrong, the mind can be very useful, in planning and achieving our goals, and in learning from the past, but most people are controlled by their minds, instead of them controlling the mind. TSM also teaches that we are not our minds. Who we are contains the mind. The mind and body are just instruments, they are not who we are, although we are responsible for them.

TSM is very simple. The most simple technique I've ever tried. It simply involves asking yourself questions, and has an interesting take on affirmations.

The benefits I've had from the program are tremendous. I pretty much feel good all the time. I feel like I can tackle anything I put my mind to. I'm mostly productive throughout the day and I never get bored anymore. I have fun in what I do and I love every moment of my life. My coping skills for life's surprises are very effective. I'm also more loving towards other people and especially myself. Life is beautiful now.

By the way I'm not an affiliate of TSM so you won't be seeing any affiliate links here. I just feel like sharing this to people, about which self-help product has been the turning point to a better life for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    What do you mean by asking yourself questions with positive affirmations? Can we hear an example? Sounds interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author methomas
      Yes, kardesh10, it will change your life and it is so very easy to do.

      I have been using TSM for over 15 years and recommend it to all.

      I can't elaborate any more than the ads for TSM.

      Just Google "Sedona Method" and read the page.

      Have a great day!
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    • Profile picture of the author kardesh10
      Originally Posted by perfectlovehere View Post

      What do you mean by asking yourself questions with positive affirmations? Can we hear an example? Sounds interesting.
      Affirmations sound like this

      I allow myself to have ....

      I allow myself to be ...

      I allow myself to do ...

      Then whatever thoughts and feelings come up, you release them with the questions taught in TSM

      The main difference between conventional affirmations and TSM, is that for conventional affirmations, you have to repeat them over and over again for around 21-30 days. With TSM, you keep repeating the process above until you no longer care whether or not the goal manifests. In my experience when we don't care whether or not the goal manifests, this will unlock the law of attraction. I know it may not make sense, but it is explained in the course.

      Hope that gives you some kind of idea about TSM
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      • Profile picture of the author anwar001
        Originally Posted by kardesh10 View Post

        Affirmations sound like this

        I allow myself to have ....

        I allow myself to be ...

        I allow myself to do ...

        Then whatever thoughts and feelings come up, you release them with the questions taught in TSM

        The main difference between conventional affirmations and TSM, is that for conventional affirmations, you have to repeat them over and over again for around 21-30 days. With TSM, you keep repeating the process above until you no longer care whether or not the goal manifests. In my experience when we don't care whether or not the goal manifests, this will unlock the law of attraction. I know it may not make sense, but it is explained in the course.

        Hope that gives you some kind of idea about TSM
        That is very interesting. I have personally noticed that whenever I don't care much about the outcome then I do better at a task and in the end have a higher chance of achieving the outcome I desire. But when I am hung up over something and desperate to achieve it, my performance becomes worse and usually I fail to reach my target or reach it after much struggle.

        I had also read somewhere long time back that after setting goals you should not care about reaching them. Give it your best shot but you should not be too affected if you don't reach it. Its not the end of the world. People who approach everything as if its a do or die situation expend a lot of energy needlessly, exhaust themselves and live in constant worry. Their performance suffers a great deal and they may not achieve what they set out to achieve.

        So, that is a good strategy of Sedona method to stop making you care whether you achieve what you wanted to achieve. I don't know much about this method, but it sounds interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author sandyjameson
    what benefit you can get? i want to lose my weight, can this meditation method help me?
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    • Profile picture of the author NickNimmin
      Originally Posted by sandyjameson View Post

      what benefit you can get? i want to lose my weight, can this meditation method help me?
      I meditate daily and I can tell you that it can help you gain perspective into why you're overeating and help you be important enough to yourself to take better care of yourself. It doesn't matter what "method" you use, it just matters that you do it. Don't do the 10 minute programs...you can't really get in the zone, so to speak, in 10 minutes. Give yourself some real time, at least 30 minutes a day. The more time you can dedicate per sitting the more profound your insight will be.

      Also, don't 'expect' anything. Just breath. Do this every day and I promise you will see results. Also, there are tons of guided meditations on YouTube you might like, just look for "guided meditation". Have fun!
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    • Profile picture of the author nickherc
      Originally Posted by sandyjameson View Post

      what benefit you can get? i want to lose my weight, can this meditation method help me?
      You know what will help you? Exercising and eating right. Sorry to sound bitter, but it's true.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    Yeah if someone were to want to make more money could this help them? Or with relationships?
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    • Profile picture of the author DGFletcher
      Darn you Kardesh10 and your lack of affiliate links!! :p

      I'd never heard of the Sedona Method before you, so I had to track down a PDF off the vast wide web to find out how to do it.

      So far it's been awesome! I've been using it like crazy on top of other methods I've had for a long time.
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      • Profile picture of the author kelimarie
        This sounds a lot like the book "The Power Of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. He explains some of the exact same principles. It's a great book.
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      • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
        Could you provide a link to the PDF

        Many thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author charidemos
    I have heard about it before, now I need to check it out, thanks for the share
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    We'll, I'm quite new with the Sedona method but I would like to check it out. I'm also looking for other ways that can improve mindset, so I think this will be potential for me and for the rest of our struggling Warriors out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Paella
    Thanks for sharing Kardesh. I will check it out. Any book or program you recommend regarding this?

    Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author maile15
    I read about this too, its quite interesting and helps you to gain some trust. Many "Make Money" Books are recommending this methods. I never done it for a quite a while so I'm not sure about the results...but I heard it should work!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerard Mohamed
    I have a very high interest in self improvement, as we often overlook the psychological or "softer issues" in life that can positively contribute to our overall success. The Sedona Method is definitely worth looking at.
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  • Profile picture of the author heavysm
    Originally Posted by kardesh10 View Post


    The benefits I've had from the program are tremendous. I pretty much feel good all the time. I feel like I can tackle anything I put my mind to. I'm mostly productive throughout the day and I never get bored anymore. I have fun in what I do and I love every moment of my life. My coping skills for life's surprises are very effective. I'm also more loving towards other people and especially myself. Life is beautiful now.
    I don't mean to bump an old thread, but this was pretty much my experience with the Sedona Method.

    I like experimenting with personal development ideas and this was about as close to "instant results" that I've ever experienced.

    I released on dozens and dozens of different issues I had throughout my life and i finally feel free.

    The key to knowing if you're over an issue or not is simply to embrace the issue or situation from your past (or present) in present awareness (it's more important that your feelings come up rather than the thoughts of the idea). You then let those feelings/emotions/ sensations hit you and you decide to release it.

    Release it from your being, your consciousness, and allow it to dissolve from you. You actively choose to release it entirely, regardless of what the issue is.

    This blew me away with how effective it was simply because I didn't realize how charged I was over so many past issues I had in my life.

    I think of it like taking off some super huge heavy backpack you never realized you were carrying. You don't think of the backpack normally because you don't see that it's there, but once you release you feel free and easy.

    It's almost a bit insane how different I feel about life and my goals now. The whole point of the Sedona method is that you become "hootless" or carefree about your issues so that positive ideal outcomes naturally float your way.

    And that almost sounds like BS at first, but it really happens. You discharge tension in relationships and people just start acting differently toward you, even when you didn't do anything special to help the relationship to begin with!

    You release your tension toward money and different situations and circumstances arise so that money is easier for you to pull in.

    Internal issues you never thought you would get over simply melt away. Additional releases might be needed for deeper and larger issues, but it works all the same.

    The Sedona Method might be the single most effective method for stress relief and effortless goal manifestation I've ever used. I've only been on the program for about a month but it's been a very interesting and "freeing" month

    **The cost of the program might prevent a lot of people from trying it out, which is unfortunate because the course rocks. PM me if you would like a tiny summary (free of course ) which will show you how to release on a variety off issues or ideas you might feel bogged down with. I'm only doing this because the method flat out works.
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  • Profile picture of the author rbates
    There was once a psychologist who turned to comedy.
    I don't recall his name, and this part is not comedic, but
    he was referring to what we can do with problems that
    we often find ourselves living with when he said,
    "...you can do one of three (3) things: Change it,
    get rid of it, or learn to live with it."


    I just offer a meaningful apology to myself for whatever
    "Awful" thought or deed that my mind conjures up for me
    to feel guilty or worry about, and move on. Done!

    Much simpler than Sedona.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
    how would one move on from being broke and unable to financially care for one's parents... I dont see any method that could help in EVERY situation.

    Great in theory but in practice not so much
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    • Profile picture of the author rbates
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      how would one move on from being broke and unable to financially care for one's parents... I dont see any method that could help in EVERY situation.

      Great in theory but in practice not so much
      Apples and oranges! If I contracted cancer and was given 2 months to live,
      I could sit around feeling sorry for myself, or I could make the choice
      to live out (to the best of my health) those last two months.

      What is being talked about here is NOT creating wealth, it's not
      about becoming successful, it's not about being in a position
      to help out others. Instead, it is about getting rid of all of the
      mental road blocks that stop us from achieving the ability
      to be successful, to help out others, or to become wealthy.

      You are correct in that no single method is going to
      be right for everyone, as everyone is different. That said,
      there are many creative ideas out there, and sound
      psychological principles that, if used, can make a huge
      difference in many people's lives - hopefully, for the better.

      The problem is that, like so many other things, if it takes
      a little work, then the majority of people will not want to
      even take a look. So many people these days seem to want
      something for nothing.

      One other thing, I was being a bit on the "Lighter" side with my
      previous post. I don't just delete my feelings like a computer
      keystroke, but I choose not to dwell on the things that I no
      longer need, such as feeling guilty about choices that I
      made 10 years ago - even 10 months ago.

      As far as taking care of parents, if that is your situation,
      I am terribly sorry. It is a very difficult situation to be in
      both financially, and emotionally. And, a person can
      only work so hard, for so long, and make only so much.

      The reason why these types of programs cannot help a
      person with a situation as you have described, is that the
      problem is constant, and does not go away. What needs
      to happen is that the physical problems of money, help,
      and nurture need to be solved, then you can clean up
      the mental trash that has accumulated because of them.

      If your forum name "MrDeflation" is any indication of your
      of your mental state of mind, then you probably have more
      emotional distress than even your post might suggest.
      Constantly reminding yourself of how bad things are is not
      a productive use of your energies, and is also a form of
      constant self-punishment.

      It is ridding oneself of the self-punishment that is the focus
      of this thread, and that is something that you can change.
      Lose the mental garbage so that you can think more clearly
      about how to solve the main problems.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
        Originally Posted by rbates View Post

        It is ridding oneself of the self-punishment that is the focus
        of this thread, and that is something that you can change.
        Lose the mental garbage so that you can think more clearly
        about how to solve the main problems.
        Sincerely appreciate the response as well as the suggestions. Its not taken lightly.. just every single thing I have read, believed in, tried or practiced has failed me in terms of being able to clear my mind of negative thoughts. I cant even meditate properly as my mind wont clear as its constantly bombarded by negative thoughts that persist. I honestly wish I could figure it all out. Maybe I wouldnt be so focused on chasing what relief money brings. Just havent figured out the ultimate way to be happy when the entire financial universe has seemed always to crush me my entire life no matter what the scenario or how much I invest physically or emotionally.

        Have a blessed day and thanks again!
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

          Sincerely appreciate the response as well as the suggestions. Its not taken lightly.. just every single thing I have read, believed in, tried or practiced has failed me in terms of being able to clear my mind of negative thoughts. I cant even meditate properly as my mind wont clear as its constantly bombarded by negative thoughts that persist. I honestly wish I could figure it all out. Maybe I wouldnt be so focused on chasing what relief money brings. Just havent figured out the ultimate way to be happy when the entire financial universe has seemed always to crush me my entire life no matter what the scenario or how much I invest physically or emotionally.

          Have a blessed day and thanks again!
          what worked for me.. was not meditation.. though learning to count breath and breath deep is good for health .. it was learning to let the negetative thought for the most part just pass by without grabbing onto them.. wondering why they are there ..

          your brain is like an antenna .. most of the thought you have are more the result of though vomit thaan any kind of vice
          it become easier to screen thought when you accept most are not your thoughts .

          the basis of the sedona method is that you are holding on to thing from your past ..

          even if you can't let the past go.. you can learn to stop grabbing on to thought and beliefs that are not your ..that are just passing through your head like a icky vomit

          the modern environment is set up to fill your head with thoughts and images that are not yours .. a good study of copy writing and marketing.. and methouds of influence .. and you will become more aware when the thought in your head are yours or some marketing message .
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          • Profile picture of the author heavysm
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


            the basis of the sedona method is that you are holding on to thing from your past ..
            Actually, not quite.

            A lot of the method is aimed at those things we're holding onto from the past, but it's definitely not the whole method. There is only a strong concentration on letting go of past issues because that is what the students of the program (and most people in life) have the most problems with.

            One of the main points of emphasis (if you go through the whole course) is trust and surrender of your wants/desires so that you can simply "have or be" whatever it is you're striving for.

            Letting go isn't just about releasing those past problems we cling to. It's about releasing the tension within our desires so that instead of "efforting" toward our goals we simply slide into having them.

            That's one huge reason why i like the course so much because you become discharged about all of your past issues. When you release on your present goals they suddenly look like tiny hills compared to the mountains they were previously.

            It made me instantly laid back and happy with what i have at the present. With a discharged and tension free mentality you can achieve just about anything you want.

            This is actually hard to describe without experiencing it for yourself lol

            I never thought of releasing as a long term strategy for personal growth but it's something i now do everything with anything that might stir up negative emotion within me, however trivial.
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    • You keep the dance, at this point you just keep the dance up.
      Some places here are conformist to such a degree, it's not even funny.

      Peopel giving life altering advices as if they were match sticks.
      It's not so easy to change a life. People need to understand that it takes hard work to change and progress. You need to leave every other desire. Which I'll tell you it's a mighty hard thing to do nowadays. We are a desire run economy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandycmy
    Simple and effective. But needs conscious follow up in different contexts uptil you have mastered it. All the best.

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  • It does work for getting rid of blocks, however until we master certain things those blocks will keep coming back into our life

    It does work great
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  • Profile picture of the author Pinay11
    There are so many layers and layers of releasing with the method. I use it EVERY SINGLE DAY and it has transformed my mind. I read some diary entries I wrote from before I used the method and I barely recognize myself. I'm so much happier now, I have a higher tolerance for stressful activities, I have more energy than I ever have.

    I concur with others in this thread. The Sedona Method is life changing.

    My favorite process is the clean-up procedure. I had a boss that I hated so, so, so much. I did the clean-up procedure and found a new job a few weeks later. That was my first major gain.

    I can physically feel the stress energy leaving my body when I release. It's so simple and you can do it anywhere at anytime.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave147
    Free Audios on the Sedona method here:
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  • Profile picture of the author Sisi
    Hi,

    Thanks for sharing! I too enjoy the Sedona Method and find it to be very beneficial! I also enjoy Ask and It is given book by Esther and Jerry Hicks
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  • Profile picture of the author Vincent Joseph
    Keep in mind your whole self includes body, soul, and mind! Its very important to keep yourself fit on all three levels. Not to get preachy but I love Church! Having a relationship with God is what keeps me getting up every morning! Don't forget about your fitness! Garbage in garbage out as they say!!! You guys rock! Thanks for the encouragement and advice!
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  • Profile picture of the author QuanWar
    The man behind The Sedona Method / Realising, Lester Levenson, is more fascinating than the technique. Watch his videos and audios on YouTube to capture a glimpse of his brilliance
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  • Profile picture of the author 9threalm
    Wow... this whole thread is so awesome that if this was a sales pitch it just might make me buy haha.

    I'm actually gonna check this thing out now!
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Hewitt
    I first tried TSM back in 1999 and at first I didn't think it was working so I stopped doing it.

    Several years later I was thinking about a particular problem that I used to have and realized that the problem had long since disappeared. It was something that I released using TSM and had forgotten about.

    After this realization I went back to using TSM and since I started up again I have had too many gains to mention including becoming free from smoking after 38 years.

    The cool thing about TSM is it's so simple to do, can be done anywhere at anytime and you don't have to figure anything out which is my favorite part!

    I highly recommend it!!

    Doug
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    • Profile picture of the author markmandy54
      As i progress and grow in life, it's so inspiring to see the same overall method be the foundation of "being" spread over different religions, continents, periods in time, etc. We all strive to be happy and loved meeting our basic needs, yet without doing the in depth work, we don't learn how to grow healthfully. The last few decades with information so easily accessible it's a phenomenon how quickly one can achieve a life of pure happiness with a few clicks of a button. Great post and i appreciate the generosity of sharing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HDRider
    I have the whole course and stopped half way trough, don't remember why. Going to give it another chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    Letting go is better than holding on to it of course. But where does “it” go when you let it go? The “it” being false or limiting beliefs. The answers is – right beside you. This is better than being connected directly to it of course but certainly a far cry from being resolved.

    Or another way to look at it is – you can let go of your limiting beliefs (sometimes) but what if they don’t let go of you? Meaning – there is a lot more work to be done to truly free yourself from emotionally powerful limiting beliefs. Let it go often turns into “push it away” which is only a half step away from repressing it. And I think we all know repressing our feelings does not turn out too well later.

    Does this mean we should drop all affirmations or positive thinking as simply being too simple? Of course not. They help. But deeper emotionally charged limiting beliefs take quite a bit more to resolve than just “letting it go”.

    It helps to start with how these beliefs are formed and grow. It is through strong emotions. Either positive or negative emotions or even a combination of either.

    The Sedona Method is helpful but simply falls short of completely resolving deeper problems. But give it a go, maybe something will kick for you!
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    • Profile picture of the author success4all
      Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

      Letting go is better than holding on to it of course. But where does "it" go when you let it go? The "it" being false or limiting beliefs. The answers is - right beside you. This is better than being connected directly to it of course but certainly a far cry from being resolved.

      Or another way to look at it is - you can let go of your limiting beliefs (sometimes) but what if they don't let go of you? Meaning - there is a lot more work to be done to truly free yourself from emotionally powerful limiting beliefs. Let it go often turns into "push it away" which is only a half step away from repressing it. And I think we all know repressing our feelings does not turn out too well later.

      Does this mean we should drop all affirmations or positive thinking as simply being too simple? Of course not. They help. But deeper emotionally charged limiting beliefs take quite a bit more to resolve than just "letting it go".

      It helps to start with how these beliefs are formed and grow. It is through strong emotions. Either positive or negative emotions or even a combination of either.

      The Sedona Method is helpful but simply falls short of completely resolving deeper problems. But give it a go, maybe something will kick for you!
      tobyjensen, Thanks for the comment. I am not a Sedona method student, so correct me if I am wrong. But, I tried the free video link provided by dave 147 in the post# 26 here. I felt the same way about dealing with our belief system. May be, they deal with it in the paid version of the method.

      Like I mentioned in other threads here, there is no magic in the system. If a system resonates with our current belief system, it will work for us. That is the reason what works for one, may or may not work for others. In order to transform ourselves, we have to take a fresh look at the part of the belief system that is making us to do things in a certain way and confront them and come to terms with them.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

      Letting go is better than holding on to it of course. But where does "it" go when you let it go? The "it" being false or limiting beliefs. The answers is - right beside you. This is better than being connected directly to it of course but certainly a far cry from being resolved.

      Or another way to look at it is - you can let go of your limiting beliefs (sometimes) but what if they don't let go of you? Meaning - there is a lot more work to be done to truly free yourself from emotionally powerful limiting beliefs. Let it go often turns into "push it away" which is only a half step away from repressing it. And I think we all know repressing our feelings does not turn out too well later.

      Does this mean we should drop all affirmations or positive thinking as simply being too simple? Of course not. They help. But deeper emotionally charged limiting beliefs take quite a bit more to resolve than just "letting it go".

      It helps to start with how these beliefs are formed and grow. It is through strong emotions. Either positive or negative emotions or even a combination of either.

      The Sedona Method is helpful but simply falls short of completely resolving deeper problems. But give it a go, maybe something will kick for you!
      I disagree.

      Perhaps you haven't been through the course. If that's true then you'd have missed out on the fact that deep releasing of bigger issues requires multiple releases over time.

      Think of digging a hole with a shovel. If you need a massive hole but give up on digging just because 10 shovel fulls of dirt didn't give you your result...does that mean that it can't be done?

      The point here is that larger issues require more effort. In my exploration of this method the tension or issue being released doesn't get set beside you. In fact the way that you describe to deal with an issue is exactly the way the course teaches not to deal with conflict.

      Why do you want to figure out or understand emotion conflict in your life? The course teaches that wanting to understand an issue just welcomes it back into your life. You're literally preparing to deal with the issue again so you're efforting to understand it. Trying to figure out conflict is just about preparing to deal with it again, it doesn't actually get rid of it.

      Releasing pulls that tension apart within you so that the conflict is no longer a "welcomed thing" in your life.

      Your other point about the issue not letting you go is definitely you not understanding what the method really teaches. The course is NOT about repressing whatsoever but dealing with all sentiments, ideas and emotions revolving around an issue and simply dissolving it from consciousness. That is definitely not repression since repression entails pushing it down so that it becomes an issue to deal with later on.

      I just can't allow others to think your beliefs about the Sedona Method are true or accurate because you have a severely skewed view of what the method really entails.
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      • Profile picture of the author success4all
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        I disagree.

        Perhaps you haven't been through the course. If that's true then you'd have missed out on the fact that deep releasing of bigger issues requires multiple releases over time.

        Think of digging a hole with a shovel. If you need a massive hole but give up on digging just because 10 shovel fulls of dirt didn't give you your result...does that mean that it can't be done?

        The point here is that larger issues require more effort. In my exploration of this method the tension or issue being released doesn't get set beside you. In fact the way that you describe to deal with an issue is exactly the way the course teaches not to deal with conflict.

        Why do you want to figure out or understand emotion conflict in your life? The course teaches that wanting to understand an issue just welcomes it back into your life. You're literally preparing to deal with the issue again so you're efforting to understand it. Trying to figure out conflict is just about preparing to deal with it again, it doesn't actually get rid of it.

        Releasing pulls that tension apart within you so that the conflict is no longer a "welcomed thing" in your life.

        Your other point about the issue not letting you go is definitely you not understanding what the method really teaches. The course is NOT about repressing whatsoever but dealing with all sentiments, ideas and emotions revolving around an issue and simply dissolving it from consciousness. That is definitely not repression since repression entails pushing it down so that it becomes an issue to deal with later on.

        I just can't allow others to think your beliefs about the Sedona Method are true or accurate because you have a severely skewed view of what the method really entails.
        Thanks for sharing your thoughts, heavysm. tobyjensen is making a valid point here not just his skewed view. The whole point of posting something in the forum is to have the view of others so we can have more information about it and share our experiences.

        The sedona method and other 100s of self-help systems out there are just tools, there is no magic in them, the real magic is in how the belief system of the person using that system interact with that system. That is why a system works for some not for others. There is a free sample link to sedona method in this forum, anyone interested can try it see for themselves if it works for them or not. If it does not work for them they can try something else.

        I help people with a system that is very similar to sedona method but when it comes to self improvement, one answer fits all is not the way to go because people and their belief systems are unique and needs to be handled individually, uniquely.

        I did not study the full sedona method but from what I picked up from the free sample link provided here I can say there needs to be additional help to people with more complex problems. For example when a belief system is formed in us it is tied to a specific event/s in our life. Until we pinpoint, isolate and deal with that specific event the problems caused by that belief system- be it fear, addiction or any other destructive behaviour - would not go away. This type of problems have to be handled individually. Again, I am not a student of sedona method and they may tools to handle this in the paid (Full) course. Maybe some of you who have completed the full course can enlighten me here.
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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by success4all View Post

          Again, I am not a student of sedona method and they may tools to handle this in the paid (Full) course. Maybe some of you who have completed the full course can enlighten me here.
          Ok, easily done...

          The course teaches how to release on the biggest issues in your life. Plain and simple.

          Mr. Toby is making conclusions based upon inadequate evidence ie. not actually having gone through the course. So i have to point out that some of his conclusions are invalid due to incomplete analysis. It's very simple.

          Larger issues are attacked in a very systematic process: you break them into smaller pieces and release on them, then you release on them as a whole. This allows you to release on the ideas, images, sentiments and emotions that surround an issue because that's all these issues are.

          It's hard to explain all this without you guys actually experiencing it. I was serious about my original metaphor about releasing being like taking off a heavy backpack you never knew you had on. Once you let go of these issues in totality you just feel like a different person. You react differently to life and things just don't bother you like they once did.

          The people i have spoken to who didn't have as great of an impact with the method admitted to stopping usage of the method after a few months or weeks. This is literally like expecting to run a mile but giving up after the first quarter just because you haven't made it yet. The finish line is there, it may not be physically measurable, but it's definitely something that can be attained with enough releasing.

          You just know when you're fully released on a topic because it no longer bothers you in any way that you can flip the issue. It just doesn't matter any more and so you're not free to move on.

          When a thing like repression is brought up it irks me a lot because you're not pushing down or tossing away issues to have to deal with them later, rather you are decluttering them from your being entirely. You really have to experience this to believe it.

          I literally only planned to use the method on one pressing issue in my life months ago and once I saw how effective it was i started pulling up old issues from my deep past. Emotional and psychological miracles started happening where i wouldn't expect. There were no more anchors holding me back from where i wanted to go.

          The only thing i will admit negative about this method is that some may not be strong enough emotionally or whatever to deal with deep past issues. But I say it's worth it. How much is it worth to you to be free from past crap that lies in the deep etches of your mind/past?

          One of the cool things about the method is that it gets easier the more times you do it. I still have ideas/topics i released on months ago that i am still releasing on today, but that's because these are larger issues. Am i better today from releasing? F^%k yes!

          Do i still occasionally feels pangs of emotions or sentiments i don't want to feel toward these ideas? Yes, and that's why i keep releasing to remove even the smallest hints of this stuff from my consciousness.

          I dived into this stuff like a work horse to get rid of the emotional clutter from my past and it's been amazing so far. That's why i feel so compelled to correct inaccurate view points on the method especially from those people who have obviously not used the method to its full effect (or even at all).
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  • Profile picture of the author hopeful33
    sounds itneresting .. I will take a look soon at this method
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    Talking about a game changer. This is like 2014 nowadays and there's a new program named Remote Charmer.

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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    Heavysm Quote> "Why do you want to figure out or understand emotion conflict in your life?"

    You don't. Especially in the context of the study of poverty never cured poverty. Only this approach is also throwing the baby out with the bath water. Meaning - You are not studying poverty you have to do several things before you can even get to a cure. Nobody else has ever come up with one system to permanently resolve ANY limiting or false belief that works across the board. Even phd psychologists say mental illness can't be cure except - forgiveness cures anger every single time.

    Understanding and empathy also help a person to be able to forgive. Understanding a person's motivation as to why they did something to make you angry can be helpful to being able to forgive them but it is not required (and can even make you more angry.

    Wanting to understand what the issue is trying to teach you (the positive) is step two of Gutap that I developed.

    Why do you work so hard? The short answer is because it works.

    By asking the question, "Why am I such a hard worker?" your mind begins to answer it. Just to ask the question is to lose because your mind starts telling you all the reasons why you are a hard worker. This will bring understanding about how you work but as Jung criticized Freud, "Thanks, Freud, now we know WHY we are so screwed up BUT WE ARE STILL SCREWED UP!" It is the insight we are after but often the wrong question just beats ourselves up.

    In school we were taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Why was this? Because it turns out that there are stupid questions after all.

    A slightly better question is, "What can I do about being over worked?" This way your mind will come up with things you can do about it based on what you believe your options are.

    If you don't like the answer then ask better questions and learn more about what to do.


    But this still does not resolve the original programming or the existing limited belief. For one reason, because we can't have a vacuum. Don't think of white elephants. See what happens? Let it go. Then the limiting belief just moves to another area but it is still affecting you. Certainly it is a step up but still not a cure. It does not resolve it.

    Letting go can actually turn into denial which everyone knows does not work long term - wonderful short term - long term - nope. Think of watering your garden out in your back yard. If you are not aware of when it needs water then it does not get watered. You have to think directly about watering (as a solution not to just understand why plants need water) to determine how much and when to set your sprinkler system to get enough water. And even then you go out there from time to time to check on the progress not just in case the weather was off from the current norms but also because it is fun to see thing growing. It can also just be fun to check on our own progress of resolving our beliefs - to feel ourselves growing. Do you see how I am dealing with watering the garden directly to truly resolve it without getting sucked into this abyss of just studying the problem to only understand it. I study it to understand what needs to be done about it. Big difference.

    Understanding is not enough but it is also not wrong either. Seeking to know what to do about it changes what we are focusing on. What you focus on expands. Denial is the other end - if you don't understand it then that is denial. It is like trying to fix a problem while also saying there is no problem.

    Heavysm Quote> "Releasing pulls that tension apart within you so that the conflict is no longer a "welcomed thing" in your life." Releasing can't pull anything apart. Releasing is letting go.

    If the thing is no longer welcomed then you are saying no which is a form of resistance - and what you resist persists.


    I am not saying The Sedona Method would never work because that would be arrogant (and wrong). I am saying that it is a wonderful coping skill that only works as good as the rest of them. Then I spell out the exact limitations to it. Psychologist have been hard at work for decades developing, honing, and practicing these very same coping skills - and even they say that there is no exact system to producing core level change of any limiting or false beliefs. You are not just disagreeing with them but with millions of highly educated and skilled licensed professionals. Except for the placebo effect being used in it. If people believe it will work then it has a pretty good chance of it working. I want to keep that as well for Sedona. Why work harder than you have too? Seriously. But for those people that it does not work for they need to know why to begin to do something about it.

    But if something shakes loose then great. Or if it gives you a chance for the placebo effect to happen then that is great as well. Many of these systems just have a basic premise or a good idea then rely on the placebo effect. EFT is another one that does this. Incredibly popular but it is just affirmations with some physical movement. EFT being Emotional Freedom Technique (tapping) NOT Emotionally Focused Therapy.

    I am saying it MIGHT work - meaning you are dealing with feelings. Something might shake lose. But it is most certainly not by letting it go. Letting it go is also a form of forgiveness - that only works on anger. Only forgiveness cures anger (irritation, upset, etc.) - forgiveness does not cure anything else.

    Feelings have feelings. It is weird. Try getting angry at something. And if you are aware enough you can then push on your own anger and watch what happens. Releasing your limiting beliefs causes similar types of reactions. They eventually just come back because you didn't deal directly with them to resolve them. You didn't learn. Weird, right?

    What is anger trying to teach us? Stuff like - forgive, set boundaries, and do preventative communication (not necessarily in that order either). Or that there is something wrong with us and we then need to change to not be offended when not needed.

    You use the analogy of digging a hole with a shovel. Interesting. Larger issues require more effort, finesse, and complication. I call that the web of entanglement. One thing that I have noticed is that when you interact with any limiting belief that same belief is often tied to other beliefs which have to be dealt with in a unique way.

    And I want to be very clear - I have not stated the way false or limiting beliefs need to be dealt with. I have only begun to point out the limitations and only the first step. Another way to put it besides dealing with it directly is to feel your feelings. You have to feel the feeling of the limiting belief to be able to begin to deal with it. And Sedona still says to do this in a limited capacity. How can you let the belief go if you do not acknowledge that you are already feeling it? This question is similar to the one above.

    Heavysm Quote> "Your other point about the issue not letting you go is definitely you not understanding what the method really teaches. The course is NOT about repressing whatsoever but dealing with all sentiments, ideas and emotions revolving around an issue and simply dissolving it from consciousness. That is definitely not repression since repression entails pushing it down so that it becomes an issue to deal with later on."

    So which is it then? Does Sedona teach to let it go or dealing with it? It was very clear that it was about letting it go and not seeking understanding from what you said. Feel free to change this or clarify it please.

    Breaking larger issues into smaller ones MAY work. It is the web. We don't get to decide this arbitrarily. It is all based on how the limiting belief was created. When you step off "the path" the way back to the path was already created in that moment. We do not get to choose this (or at least there are only a few limited options to get back on "the path"). I do like the intention or idea of not having to tackle the whole problem at once, start small, and build up to the whole big belief. That is good. But, again, letting it go does not resolve it directly.

    I know exactly what you are talking about. I do it all the time with me and my clients.

    Heavysm Quote> "The people i have spoken to who didn't have as great of an impact with the method admitted to stopping usage of the method after a few months or weeks. This is literally like expecting to run a mile but giving up after the first quarter just because you haven't made it yet. The finish line is there, it may not be physically measurable, but it's definitely something that can be attained with enough releasing."

    Maybe - did anyone follow up to see why it didn't work in months or weeks? That is actually a long time for something to not work. The demonstration of forgiveness can be done in just one session.

    I can certainly understand your frustration because just "keeping at it" worked for you. And I am showing reasons why it does not work for others. Because if it did work as good as the claim it would have an enormous impact on dealing with mental illness and it does not. And I also love how you realize that big problems are more difficult to handle (not just more shoveling needed). It gets way worse than just being able to break it down into smaller problems (although that does help and I do use that with my clients at a certain point) but it does not work when we have to do something different.

    Here are four overly basic ways to be able to handle problems: over it, under it, around it, or threw it. The Sedona Method uses only two - really only one (let it go) but since you are mentioning the second one of breaking bigger problems into smaller ones then at least there is more to it. But there is still only the ONE method being advocated which is to just let the smaller problems go - "let it go". Then once you get emotionally strong enough or something you can just "let it go" with the big problem. But my original question still has not been answered.

    Where does it go? Or how does letting it go resolve it? Without this knowledge we simply can not confirm that the problem is resolved. No, I am not advocating to focus on the problem (what you focus on expands). I am saying to focus on the resolution of the problem. It is the difference between worrying about if your garden is ever being watered and going out and measuring how far down the water is reaching (and/or if the plants are growing). See the huge difference?

    Heavysm Quote> "You just know when you're fully released on a topic because it no longer bothers you in any way that you can flip the issue. It just doesn't matter any more and so you're not free to move on."
    - Yep that is one wonderful way to do it. I use that with three other verification methods as well.

    Heavysm Quote> "repression" Not saying the Sedona Method is always repression. You missed that. Saying it MIGHT be repression but probably always denial instead. Still a problem just a different one. But if it was actually healed then obviously neither problem is present, right?

    I am glad it worked for you and thrilled that it has worked so well. Congratulations!

    And now that I think about it Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) does something similar to The Sedona Method as well but with much more detail and variety. Check out the manipulating of images in your imagination and the core transformation process. NLP has several different methods of course, and I am getting off on a tangent, but even they still do not deal with the belief directly to resolve it. You have stated clearly that it worked for you and I am more than ready to take that at face value. What I am saying is that it was more of the placebo effect or dissipation of the emotion than having resolved it directly. What happened with you or how EXACTLY did it work for you? I have no idea. I don't know you, I didn't see it happen, and I can't check out with you directly in person to find out more. I am just noting the things that usually happen.

    Heavysm Quote> "The only thing i will admit negative about this method is that some may not be strong enough emotionally or whatever to deal with deep past issues. But I say it's worth it. How much is it worth to you to be free from past crap that lies in the deep etches of your mind/past?"

    I wouldn't call that a weakness and you did state how to deal with that as well. By starting small and building up to it.

    Heavysm Quote> "Do i still occasionally feels pangs of emotions or sentiments i don't want to feel toward these ideas? Yes, and that's why i keep releasing to remove even the smallest hints of this stuff from my consciousness."

    There is a way to "deal" with this. Since we can't eliminate evil/negative/unhelpful from the universe these will always be around. They can be managed quite well though. The best tool is to grow as an individual so they affect us less and less. Positive grows and grows because it is about life and development. Negative cannibalizes upon itself so its level is set automatically to our environment around it. At least on the emotional level it does. For example I experience a higher level of pain when I hit my thumb with a hammer as an adult than I did when I was a child. But when I was a child my whole world came to a screaming halt as I would begin to see spots in my vision. The pain was sometimes so bad that I couldn't even speak for a few seconds. But I have plenty of ability to curse like a sailor as an adult. The amount of pain is the same. So what happened? I grew emotionally (and physically) to be able to manage the pain much better.

    When we heal emotionally we don't just get back what was blocked but we also then get to grow. This accounts for the experience you (and I also) have had when we completely resolve a false belief. When we forgive (as an example) it is not just our anger that is melted away - it is only then that "sunshine" can come it giving us much more than what the anger was taking up.

    The Sedona Method is not the only one that I have done or studied. I have spent my life studying hundreds of methodologies (by learning and doing them) so the dismissal of my experience outright because I haven't done every single thing in The Sedona Method is invalid. Especially when it is used by others (haven't seen you do it) as a sales tactic. Literally salespeople have said I can't say anything about their incredible new method because I haven't shucked out anywhere from $5,000 to $150,00 for their course is like saying that is the only way to verify what is going on. Learning from the experience of others is also incredibly valuable.

    Other accepted means of vetting something:
    Responsible extrapolating
    Comparison to other known systems
    Not getting anything new to clarify
    Comparing other experience
    Plus other methods

    If those salespeople can't come up with anything new or explain exactly why something works then that is enough to not have to spend any more time on it - let alone another dollar. It is a waste. Healing is expensive enough without having to keep explaining why something doesn't work.

    I am simply not seeing anything new anywhere here or elsewhere with the Sedona Method.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Toby, it's obvious we have diametrically opposed view points on this topic.

      I just can't take you seriously if you consider yourself a "Master Life Coach" with the way you present some of your ideas, which is why i felt the need to correct your points. I feel many are wrong.

      But i am, for all intents and purposes, done here. Nothing more needs to be said.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Flm
    As the drama unfolds you'll see numerous people professing to different methods and suffice to say that most work according to the given testimonies. The predicament is what you want to achieve for starters, is that single method you use sufficient enough in a holistic sense or do you feel like digging for more. If you dig for more, keep doing that because the subconscious mind is insatiable.

    You want to process information prior enganging in a routine and right off the bat you want the missing link to getting inspired. Because if you lack inspiration you're lacking depth and you need to strengthen your immunity against failure.

    Hereby I attest having given you a snack for thought. Now that the snack is over, your metabolism will take care of the rest. Be sure next time, that you burn nitro instead of fuel and your progress will accumulate in spades.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    I put what works into two categories to start with. There are really four with fifteen sub-combinations but that is just too much to start with.

    The two categories are your personal preferences - what works for you because of your personality and beliefs. And what works across the board for everyone.

    Included in our personal preferences is the placebo effect. Incredibly powerful and highly adaptable it can change lives overnight. Once we step into the realm of reproducible results on demand - what works tightens up very quickly. The example I use to get us started is only forgiveness cures anger. It works across the board and it works equally well for anyone that does it. Can every single person on the planet do it? No, I think there are currently seventeen people out of around seven billion people that simple are not capable of forgiving - everyone else is a go. (Ha, I just exaggerate the numbers to make a point.)

    The point is this. If you are capable of getting angry then you are capable of forgiving.

    Now let me tie that back into what works in personal development. Back to the two categories again. Specifically the personal preference category. There are as many different ways to become successful as there are occupations and professions to earn money. One of the reasons that personal development for us Mind Warriors can be so complicated is having to sort out what style of success will work for your personality. There are many different things to do that will work.

    Notice that everyone has to do something though. That is across the board in the second category. Nobody can achieve success without having to do something. And we all know this here as well. Nothing new, just connecting action to being a one thing that everyone has to do. Now, what everyone has to do goes back to being incredibly different until you pick a profession. Let us just say a doctor to make it simple. (ha! Like being a doctor is so simple. lols) Anybody who wants to be a medical doctor has to go to school. Medical school is A LOT of action including a ton of passive action in studying.

    Do you see how this is narrowing down?

    Now with studying there are only a few different ways to go about it. Pick one that will actually work for you and get after it. But what if the different ways of studying simply do not work? Ah, ha! That is where I come in with the method I developed called Gutap. Feel free to google me if you want.

    What do you do when what is supposed to be working simply doesn't?

    This is where we get into beliefs - specifically false beliefs or even just limiting beliefs. Our programming is off. And that is what I developed after twenty-five years of research and development. One system to be able to change any belief all the way to our core that works on anybody. (anybody being you have the mental capacity to be aware with cognitive abilities.)


    Here are the three steps to Gutap in a nutshell:
    1) Feel the feeling of our limiting belief.
    2) Find what the positive answer is that it actually wants us to know.
    3) Connect the feeling of what it wants us to know and let the feeling of that answer flow into our limiting belief to change it.

    That is as simply as I can put it.

    Do you see how this method is used when we forgive? The forgiveness (feeling) flows into our anger (another feeling) to heal our anger.

    Now to be fair there are over three hundred sublevels, tips, techniques, personal preferences, hints, and suggestions that also come into play in teaching how to deal with the highly personalized false beliefs that some people may have. And to be honest, a bit of the time with my clients the placebo effect kicks in and does it for them. Seriously, how many times have we just been told to "get off it" or "let it go" or take a walk or see it from their point of view to get us to forgive? Tons. Or, the opposite problem, is telling someone to forgive can simply just make that same person even more upset. Gutap is the same way. Sometimes people just want to argue and yell at me instead of seeing what works. I understand. Not everyone is willing or wanting to see progress and development. It can be incredibly scary.

    In fact, forgiveness can even be taught as a life skill instead of healing our anger and it could just "accidentally" help us out. How many approaches, styles, methods, or whatever to get us to forgive are there? Tons. See how confusing this can be to figure out just one method to "cure" any limiting or false belief? It took me twenty-five years to do it.

    Depending upon interest this thread there is also a simple "ice cream" exercise to demonstrate how it works. This exercise only takes a couple of minutes and can be completely private if needed. I often use this when sharing with people about how Gutap works and people like how simple, clean, and straight forward it is.

    The other part of this is skills or the specific action that works. Being able to study that I mentioned earlier. You have healing and skills. Both are needed to one extent or another to achieve success and do what works. How much and to what extent is highly individualized - back to personal preference. Which is why I still enjoy all the different programs, methodologies, books, workshops, and videos that people put out. Different ways to do one thing or just many choices to choose from that can work for you depending on your preference.

    Style! It rules the world. Those who have class AND are competent are incredibly wonderful people. And that is one of the reasons why we love our personal development coaches. They are enjoyable to talk to while continuing to grow as people.

    Take sales people for instance. Who do you want to buy from - the courteous intelligent salesperson or the mean intelligent salesperson? Both are competent but the mean sales people simply end up costing the business more money by driving customers away.
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    This seemed to go better here:

    Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

    And can forgiveness cure everything as the Sedona Method claims? The Sedona Method basically teaches – let it go – which as Paul, a moderator here, pointed out to me is the same thing as forgiveness. I don’t think it is exactly the same thing but I do agree with him that it is probably close enough for all practical intents and purposes: let it go, get off it, forget about it seem to all be casual variations of forgiveness.

    Forgiveness is an incredibly powerful tool if used well that is frequently down played and not often practiced in our society but does it handle everything? I think it can be quite helpful in helping people with their upset about their problems but does it actually resolve false beliefs, bad programming, and inner conflicting programming as the creator and proponents of the method claim?

    Am I wrong here? Because if I am I know you fellow warriors have no hesitation at all about setting people straight. Let’s get this straightened out once and for all.
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    • Profile picture of the author blackbodhisattva
      Interesting - Checking out a full video seminar online now:

      Sedona Method Release Technique 1992 Sedona Institute - YouTube

      Here is the emotional chart they refer to:

      http://api.ning.com/files/iLmyeWmLOK...PCHART1991.jpg

      My emotions are definitely on the left hand side recently - hopefully this will change. I will report back if I see a good outcome over the coming weeks.
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      • Profile picture of the author keithoz88
        Sedona works - period.
        Is it the answer to everything? No.
        But it's a great place to start cos it's simple, fast and requires no belief system
        The process becomes so refined over time that the mechanics of technique pretty
        much disappear.
        Experiential knowledge is always superior to referred knowledge - at least you know
        if it works for You!
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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by keithoz88 View Post

          Sedona works - period.
          Is it the answer to everything? No.
          But it's a great place to start cos it's simple, fast and requires no belief system
          The process becomes so refined over time that the mechanics of technique pretty
          much disappear.
          Experiential knowledge is always superior to referred knowledge - at least you know
          if it works for You!
          I agree. I now do releasing on a daily basis, which helps to prevent new issues from popping up causing problems going into the future.

          Though i have released quite a lot, I am still releasing on past issues. That's not to say the method isn't effective. Actually quite the opposite. The more i release, the more i realize how much I've held pent up within me over time.

          I can definitely say releasing has been the single most effective of any personal development technique that I've used - and let's just say that I've used A LOT of stuff.

          My current life cycles around three main things that keep me aligned with my goals/myself:
          I release constantly, I meditate on a daily basis, and I get plenty of exercise.

          I have found that if i remove any one of those things from my life, things feel lopsided and something feels like it's missing.

          I think of this as having 3 equidistant weights placed along the rim of a tire. If any of the weights are removed or shifted, the rotation of the tire becomes off balance. So all 3 need to be kept in check in order to move forward fully.

          This may not be how releasing works for others, and that's sort of the point: everyone will use releasing for their own subjective needs, but it helps you find out who you are by remove all the emotional tension and unneeded head trash you've accumulated along your way.

          Making that slight but necessary shift is sometimes all that is needed to push you ahead. I know it was for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zoe_21
        Originally Posted by blackbodhisattva View Post

        Here is the emotional chart they refer
        That chart is so thorough in wording!

        Thanks for the share BlackBodhisattva
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        • Profile picture of the author BigDan1
          I'd really like to find a very affordable coach for this. Like someone I could afford to release with weekly, perhaps even multiple times a week. That would have a max of $50/session. They wouldn't need to be awesome, though a link to awesomeness would help as well.

          Would anyone have any leads?
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          • Profile picture of the author heavysm
            Originally Posted by BigDan1 View Post

            I'd really like to find a very affordable coach for this. Like someone I could afford to release with weekly, perhaps even multiple times a week. That would have a max of $50/session. They wouldn't need to be awesome, though a link to awesomeness would help as well.

            Would anyone have any leads?
            I'm curious...have you used the method at all? It might be best to try the method yourself first before you lay down hundreds for a coach.

            This way you can release dozens of times per day on your own time. I do this while i go on walks or while I'm doing tedious tasks.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetsweetie
    Curious...I've had the desire to become a millionaire for a long time. I've also desired my dream career to become a radio and TV personality. And, I've desired to purchase my dream home.

    How would the Sedona Method help me?
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by internetsweetie View Post

      Curious...I've had the desire to become a millionaire for a long time. I've also desired my dream career to become a radio and TV personality. And, I've desired to purchase my dream home.

      How would the Sedona Method help me?
      All that would be long term stuff you would release on. Then you would break all those goals down into action steps you release on so at no point is there a particular place you feel conflict or tension towards.

      You would then go through those sub-goals achieving those until you reach your larger goals which would be the dreams you just mentioned.

      It all happens gradually over time in steps. If you have a lot of conflict in your life, like stuff you haven't let go of, grudges you hold...all of that will need to be released so that you can manifest larger and larger goals over time.

      I think of this as momentum of release. As you become fully released more of your goals come into fruition because there is less and less resistance keeping you from those goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    I don't see how forgiving or letting go of your dream to be a millionaire is going to help you become a millionaire. Sedona is about healing. If there are no blocks in the way of becoming a millionaire then Sedona won't help at all. It will distract you from doing what you need too in order to become a millionaire.

    What you need to do is take massive action in the direction of becoming a millionaire. Then you will become one. Forgiveness is a distraction if you don't need to do it.

    Forgiveness is wonderful but I don't see anything in your question implying that you need to do that. Could there be? Sure, but you didn't ask that. The question was pretty straight forward and simple: How do I get money?

    The answer: Take the action required to get it. Period.

    Lack of action does not need to be forgiven. Just go act. Now, once you go to do that and things don't work then The Sedona Method (forgiveness) might be useful.

    Or, in other words, are you angry? No? Then do something besides Sedona.

    Forgiveness only cures anger NOT lack of action or lack of skill.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

      I don't see how forgiving or letting go of your dream to be a millionaire is going to help you become a millionaire. Sedona is about healing. If there are no blocks in the way of becoming a millionaire then Sedona won't help at all. It will distract you from doing what you need too in order to become a millionaire.

      What you need to do is take massive action in the direction of becoming a millionaire. Then you will become one. Forgiveness is a distraction if you don't need to do it.

      Forgiveness is wonderful but I don't see anything in your question implying that you need to do that. Could there be? Sure, but you didn't ask that. The question was pretty straight forward and simple: How do I get money?

      The answer: Take the action required to get it. Period.

      Lack of action does not need to be forgiven. Just go act. Now, once you go to do that and things don't work then The Sedona Method (forgiveness) might be useful.

      Or, in other words, are you angry? No? Then do something besides Sedona.

      Forgiveness only cures anger NOT lack of action or lack of skill.
      You haven't gone through the course. There is an entire module dedicated to goal setting, sub-goals and how releasing can be applied to it. Let's not go down this road of misunderstanding the method again.
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      • Profile picture of the author jagesso
        This thread is the first I've seen about The Sedona Method. Based on what you all said, I ordered the book on Amazon. Can anyone compare the book to the much more expensive CD + workbook version? It's $10 vs $388 for what I assume is fundamentally the same content.
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      • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        You haven't gone through the course. There is an entire module dedicated to goal setting, sub-goals and how releasing can be applied to it. Let's not go down this road of misunderstanding the method again.
        Just so sad to see ignorance perpetuated like this. I haven't been an alcoholic my whole life either so does that mean I have no ability to determine that won't work out well? In AA there is a lot of talk about one alcoholic helping another because only an alcoholic can understand another.

        Or another way to put it is, "Do I have to become an alcoholic in order to be able to help one?". That is what you are saying.

        I know you mean well heavysm but that last reply is just showing a very small mentality in your limiting thinking here.

        Ok, here is another way to put it. Is one alcoholic helping another the blind leading the blind? Or doubling down on the determination and intensity to deal with it?

        How about showing us how TSM helps in goal setting instead of just blowing me off? And telling me what I don't know. Educate us. How about some real help? If TSM really works then it will stand up well to some critical thinking and a scientific approach. I realize that is going to be a bit tricky because we are dealing with feelings but I think we can figure this out.

        I'm willing are you?

        Do I have to know everything in order to be able to show how it won't work? When I was a kid and learned to ride a bike I knew nothing about physics, acrobatics, or gravity. Yet I learned very quickly to listen to those things to stay balanced. Should the burden of proof be on me?

        The good part about TSM is the positive attitude. Forgiveness lightens things up. Have fun, move on, enjoy life. I get that. Surrender, vulnerability, and forgiveness are important.

        Originally Posted by kardesh10 View Post

        TSM is very simple. The most simple technique I've ever tried. It simply involves asking yourself questions, and has an interesting take on affirmations.
        Here is some more info on what was really happening when you were asking yourself questions in your original post:

        Queue my obligatory Gutap method part of almost every post:

        Gutap - the system to achieving core level change of any limiting belief.

        Steps:
        1 feel the feeling of the false belief to get it
        2 find out what it truly wants you to learn in the positive
        3 connect the feeling of the positive lesson (not the concept or picture) to the negative feeling of the false belief to let it flow into negative feeling to change it.

        Everyone knows by now how to find out more about the Gutap method I developed if they want too so I won't repeat it here. It is about how to change any false belief all the way to our core if needed.



        Now back to the questions. This is something different than the releasing of Sedona. Powerful questions have been around for centuries. Hardly new to Sedona. An effective use today of questions is in teaching, scientific discovery, and sales. Questions are wonderful. They show how intelligent and understanding a person is. When someone asks a good question it furthers the conversation and relationship immensely. Very invigorating.

        It is the feeling of questions that shift beliefs within a person. One specific feeling flowing into another that changes it. Forgiveness cures anger. The feeling of forgiveness flows into the feeling of anger to change it. That is Gutap. That is how false beliefs are changed. When we ask the right question the feeling of the matching positive answer flows into our current false belief feeling to change it.

        Or, if you believe it will work it will probably work.

        Do I need to join the carnival to know how that is going to work out?
        Do I need to jump out of an airplane with no parachute training to know how that is going to work out?

        A wise individual learns from their own mistakes but a highly intelligent person can learn from the mistakes of others. Are you saying we can't learn from others about what Sedona truly is about?
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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

          Just so sad to see ignorance perpetuated like this. I haven't been an alcoholic my whole life either so does that mean I have no ability to determine that won't work out well? In AA there is a lot of talk about one alcoholic helping another because only an alcoholic can understand another.
          I'm not doing your homework for you. Sedona is a paid course and I'm not paraphrasing the entire section you made a very specific statement about which you have obviously not gone through. It is not my job to outline the course, which you commented on in ignorance.

          I would assume if you commented on the course as strongly as you did, you would have gone through it and made a conclusion based on your direct experiences. But you just have an incomplete experience from which you conclude that the method doesn't work. You see how that doesn't work? You didn't even know there was an entire portion of the course directed at the very thing you're saying it doesn't address. Seriously? That is ignorance at it's finest (from a life coach, no less)

          I also believe AA is free, is it not? Sedona method is not a free course, and it requires full application of the method to fully understand what's going on. So this was very much disanalogous, though I applaud you for trying. Your conclusions based upon your vague experiences with the course aren't helping much.

          AA is a joke by the way. You tried with the analogy, but it fell apart pretty quickly in the fact that it's a revolving door program AND the fact that you're literally trying to justify your comments about the course whilst not having experience with the method.

          The funny thing: AA is mentioned in the Sedona Method Lol

          In the Q & A portion of the method a student asks Hale about dealing with her experiences with AA and he explains how AA fails in their approach, and why it has members who are supposedly trying to sober up, who stay in the system for years and years and years.

          You accuse me of having a small mind? Limited thinking did you say? I'd say it's worse to present conclusions based on severely incomplete evidence whilst attempting to pass it off as authoritative information.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    Never said AA works or didn't work. Just said it was their talk. Then I (hopefully) was trying to say I disagreed with that part of AA. How could you have misread that? But thank you for the chance to clarify it.

    If you had read my other posts around and about then you would have clearly seen that I quote AA's old post on their homepage that their success rate was only 5%. Imagine that! AA actually had posted on their own home page that their success rate was 5%. I think they now say 20% but not sure. Such a hugely popular program available in almost any city with such a low success rate. Amazing. You seem to have misread why I even included that in my post. Now the rest of your comments are taking on a different context.

    Maybe you are misreading what else I am writing as well?

    If you are going to post something publicly as to how wonderful it is (I truly am glad that it was for you) then people are going to ask questions about it. What is wrong with that?

    Are you selling Sedona here then or wanting to share or what? I just want to know why it works (if it does). And how it works. Before I get involved in it.

    It is responsible to do your homework before getting heavily involved into something. It is the time it takes. You know how many times I have heard, "Don't knock 'til you've tried it?" Hundreds. Everyone has. We are tired of it. You can get the Sedona books at the library for free, he posts at least one long video about it on his website, and there are other posts here on this very forum giving it away for free. And you can talk to tons of people about it. You just happen to be the one here at this moment. What is this grand secret then?

    I don't think there is one. It's fine that there is more to the program. That helps develop it and add depth. Life is complex. Good to hear.

    Here's the other point. I have done tons of other programs so I pretty much do know what is being taught. The general premise is what I am disagreeing with. It doesn't matter that there is more and more and more if it is built on a weak foundation. Or maybe the additional infrastructure in Sedona does compensate for it. Either way, let us find out.

    I have taken many other personal development programs before and when I told the creator it didn't work I get blamed for it. It was always my fault. I was doing something wrong. I wasn't trusting enough. I wasn't following through enough. I wasn't going with the flow enough. I wasn't sticking with the process very well. I was asking too many questions. I wasn't making enough mistakes. I wasn't being responsible enough. I wasn't asking enough questions. I wasn't asking the right questions. I didn't have enough gratitude. I was getting lost in the present moment. Then I was over thinking. Then I was smiling enough.

    Maybe it even was my fault. But then I realized that different gurus where blaming me for different things. One would tell me I was coachable while another would tell me I wasn't confident enough. You can't be overly confident and have low self-esteem at the same time. That was when I realized it might not be me. It might actually be this incredibly popular program that seems to be helping so many people in the room but me. So I began to look deeper. To look past the hype AND PEER PRESSURE to just go with everyone pumping it.

    What is actually happening here?

    That was the second big key on my journey. To cut to the chase. To be courageous enough to ask the tough questions to find out what is really going on. And that was when I started getting thrown out of workshops. Then I had to learn better communication skills. Not claiming mastery of communication by any means AT ALL. Just to be a decent human being.

    So,

    Why bother with all the work of letting go of Sedona?

    Just 'present moment' yourself and be happy. Realize you are already happy. Letting go is an extra unneeded step. If you want more on this go check out positive psychology. Eckhart Tolle is popular on this front.

    The moment you, "let it be", you instantly let go of everything. Far superior to Sedona (or at least easier AND faster).

    The Beatles got it right.

    Oh, I think a reply earlier was something about having to go through it or becoming strong enough to build up to being able to let things go. So why doesn't that apply to just being happy? Or would it be easier to realize that 'let it be' is easier and simpler to do than let it go of Sedona.

    Is there anything possibly wrong with 'let it be' if we just substitute that into Sedona for 'let it go' AND still keep all the rest of Sedona about goal setting, going deeper etc. etc.


    Or just do this: Answer to What is the most bizarre small social experiment you've conducted, concluding with a result which was extremely contradictory and opposite to what you originally believed in? - Quora < a fun take on the placebo effect I just came across.

    But seriously this guy seems to have captured an interesting take as well. Self-help books are lying to you, he says. How to really invest in your future and create ... - Rethinking The Now. - Quora


    Heavysm, I hope you don't go away fed up like last time. This is an incredibly important subject. It deserves this attention. And it can get heated. People are betting their lives on different methodologies. Other people are literally dying in the streets because of misinformation. It is very important.

    The lie works because of the placebo effect. Incredibly wonderful and incredibly effective. Just astounding. (When it does work.)
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

      Maybe you are misreading what else I am writing as well?

      If you are going to post something publicly as to how wonderful it is (I truly am glad that it was for you) then people are going to ask questions about it. What is wrong with that?

      Are you selling Sedona here then or wanting to share or what? I just want to know why it works (if it does). And how it works. Before I get involved in it.

      It is responsible to do your homework before getting heavily involved into something. It is the time it takes. You know how many times I have heard, "Don't knock 'til you've tried it?" Hundreds. Everyone has. We are tired of it. You can get the Sedona books at the library for free, he posts at least one long video about it on his website, and there are other posts here on this very forum giving it away for free. And you can talk to tons of people about it. You just happen to be the one here at this moment. What is this grand secret then?
      Maybe actually go through the course before drawing your conclusions? Is that too hard to ask? That was my full criticism against your comments

      I referred to the course being paid, not because I am selling it (I'm not sure how that would work as they don't have an affiliate program - unless you contact them directly to become a partner) but because it's something you have to invest in to figure out for yourself.

      The reference to homework i made is a direct reflection over this. It's like coming to class being one of the few who hasn't done the readings, then trying to comment on discussion not having done your research. You're information will sound incomplete (as it does in your comments) and it will be obvious that you have haven't followed the procedure.

      I investigated the method at length, and there is a reason i've stuck with Hale's Sedona Method and not Lester levenson's other student Larry Crane who created his "Release Method".

      That is the sister product to the Sedona Method, covering essentially the same material, just nuanced by Larry's understanding of Lester's teaching. I find Hale's explanations for the course to be the most thorough and satisfying. I am merely mentioning this because there are multiple version of releasing taught, but they are not all of the same quality of teaching.

      If you'd like i can send you some of Lester's audio files so you can judge some of the work for yourself. I wouldn't feel comfortable sending over Hale's Sedona Method because that's still for sale, but Lester's is not, so even if you wanted to it would be hard to find copies yourself.

      Lester's audios go to the heart of the releasing, and what it means to him. From him I believe it's most impacting due to the fact that he's the original; all other methods being derivatives of the method he teaches.

      What happens here on this thread happens a lot in the product review section, when really, it shouldn't at all. It's when people comment haphazardly about things they have perhaps only vague knowledge about or no experience with at all. It happens a lot, and I say it's a bit too much.

      I'd like that not to happen here, for a change. I'll give you Lester's stuff so you can see for yourself.
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    where can i buy this method?
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    Ok, so let me see if I got this right.

    Go ahead and send the Sedona material you want me to review. I will go through it. You can pm me for my contact details. That will be fine. It will be good to settle this once and for all from an educated, professional perspective.

    Only, there is one problem. It is the same problem I mentioned before. You are just setting me up for failure. This makes it look like I am learning the Sedona method that you keep saying I don’t know about when it is very clear that I am not. I do know what I am talking about here. Only I am not “really” learning the Sedona method because you are withholding the good stuff you say. You are holding more material in reserve. Then IF I do say I still does not work and explain why, you can just say yet again again that I don’t have all the information on it, hold out, and say I am wrong. There is no possible win here for me. It is lose – lose.

    You have criticized my answers, descriptions, and posts before saying I don’t know what I am talking about and now you literally want me to judge something without being able to go through it. How does that reflect on you and the Sedona method? Who is the one not being very clear here?

    My favorite thing that I keep seeing you use though is the direct invalidation. When you say my posts are not good you just talk about that over and over. That is what people remember. Only you just ignore my points, say they are not valid, that I am not qualified to speak on it. But you never go through and invalid my points themselves. You attack my character and the way I do research (which is fine) but you simply don’t invalidate my points.

    This really evokes an emotional reaction out of people to sway them around, too bad it doesn’t work long term. It is what TV, politicians, and shock radio has been doing for a long time. It is very effective in getting viewers but it does not help people get better. What I am doing is helping people get better.

    So go ahead and send me the material you want me to review. I will be more than happy to review it. Only don’t waste my time with a reply that I haven’t reviewed “the super secret good stuff” so I am not competent to comment when I clearly am.

    It is what I have seen done in many personal development workshops as well. If anybody’s workshop fails to produce the intended results then the guru just simply says it was only the basic material and you have to take their real advanced course for the good stuff. Then you sign nondisclosure agreements and pay $50,000 for a weekend. So who is going to say anything critical at that point? Who is going to fess up that they just got snookered for $50,000 and still didn’t get “better”? This is one the biggest reasons people hate personal development work. And I don’t blame them. Warrior forum even has to moderate this subforum (Mind Warrior) here to keep the haters out because of things like this.

    Let’s not let that happen here. I’m serious if you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author alfaindia
    I am an Executive and Organizacional coach Certified at Columbia University and a Sedona Method coach, there are two main tools I use to clean my clients stuff while helping them move quickly to results and one is Sedona Method, I use it to heal traumas, phobias, fear of public speaking, beliefs, and almost everything, includind physical pain. And it works, and I don't have any affiliate number either.

    I have researched almost any tool available out there, and can tell you this works fastar, like one 18 year old who lost her godfather 6 months before and was crying desperately when his name was mentioned, 10 minutes and she remembers him with love, no trace of pain...Believe me, nothing can beat it, and meditation nedds years to work, and people today don't have time, at least I don't
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    Thank you heavysm for the downloads on Lester Levenson and the Sedona Method. I did not think you were going to do it but you did. Here are some of my thoughts so far.

    Lester Levenson - Private Lessons (The Sedona Method):
    Enjoy listening to him. He has that calming, yet intriguing, mystical tone of voice while seeming to be concrete in his answers by mentioning specific subject matter.

    He keeps mentioning the seeds of Gutap as many, many others have as well. Even though nobody has ever been able to pull these things out specifically before. There is just way to much fluff and distracting information he talks about for it to be a reproducible method. In a way, all gurus are like this. People love this though. People loved to be flattered because it feels good. And it is amazing how people will line up across the street to pay to not have to do their real inner work. Like you can just buy miracles. It is the lure of winning the lottery. It is what we see in the congregations of pastors who insist you send in tons of money so Jesus will save you. Who can compete with those powerful feelings?

    Turns out - self-improvement gurus!

    Here are some interesting notes about what Lester Levenson talks about that have been said by thousands of other gurus. As you can see the last statement (for now) is only track 07 so I obviously haven't finished the whole series yet. I will add more and clarify any misconceptions as I go along though.

    06 4:30 - 5:43 comes down and gobbles it up
    ^^^(So no releasing here. It is about one feeling coming into another to completely resolve it. Which is what only Gutap specifically defines.)

    06 6:50 I'm questioning whether I should for questions.
    Why doesn't this fit into my garbage? So I don't let you ask questions.
    ^^^(I can see why he thinks letting go is the thing to do. Because of our insistence in holding onto things/ideas. Like the body, "If you think you are this body. . . " Only this will confuse listeners later.)

    07 3:56 - 4:27 on the elimination of the blinders. And by so doing expedite the eliminating of the obstacles, the blinders, the thoughts, the mind, the feelings.
    ^^^(So, again, no releasing here. He talks about eliminating the problems as do I with Gutap.)

    I can see why there is some popularity to this method. It has some good elements: personal responsibility, pseudo psychological references, and traditionally enticing ideas. It also has the most important element - sounding so smooth - when you listen. After all, why bother doing your work at all if you can just get people to accept that you have done it! Flattery out ways results at least a hundred to one.

    I will continue to review this method as I get time. For now, it only shows the delusion of how pretending your problems are resolved actually resolves the problems. Act as if or fake it 'til you make it combined with flattering smooth talk about how wonderful it is. This is the tone so far mixed with some mentions of intention, responsibility, and projection of resolution.

    It is getting people to feel good through flattery that brings the followers - not producing results. If you want to gain ground in this industry it is far more effective to lift people up than it is to get them through their problems. Help people feel good. That is all you really need to make money in the self-improvement arena.

    If The Sedona Method is so powerful why hasn't it been adopted as a legitimate methodology in psychology? Because it is closer to hope than it is to psychology.

    And hope is the most powerful enticement of all. It is wonderful.

    Why dirty yourself with the problems of real life when you can just cover it with gratitude?

    Pretend.

    Fake it, 'til you make it.

    It works.

    Until you have real problems.

    Remember Wallace Wattles (The Science of Getting Rich) was broke until he started writing books on how to get rich. It was his sales of getting rich books that made him rich. While Nikola Tesla died penniless, drunk, and alone in a hotel room after losing the business war to Thomas Edison on electricity.

    Don't be Nikola Tesla, be Thomas Edison

    So everyone should do The Sedona Method. It is what you really want to hear.

    Hype will make you more rich than a skill set. Seriously. Learn to pitch, motivate, and move people emotionally. That is where it is at. Keep promising people they will feel better. And they will.

    Oh, and if you can disguise your product with flattery so that even if people do look behind the curtain it just doesn't matter. People will continue to believe anyway. That has been proven over, and over, and over again.

    Learn to flatter people. You will make a lot of money. Because that is what people will line up in droves for. Not work, results, or boring, objectively externally verifiable measurable results. The masses don't want that. We can even see that in this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author ahmed listens
      You claim to be a Master life coach Give me break. i have seen so many life coaches and they have one problem. They are too inexperienced to egotistical.Look even buddha never claimed to be a life coach.Its a ridiculous title what have you achieved? that gives you an exceptional insight of life. Nothing. Even Donald trump has better qualifications than you.Does the dalai lama claim to be life coach ? The thing is life is so mystfying. No one has the full credentials to offer coaching someone elses life
      Now to the main part Sedona methode
      your first accusation Sedona methode not being accepted in sciences like psychology
      i have got news for you. That NLP you are so proud of . The training you took to be a so called coach. Guess what NLP Is also a pseudo science. its not officially accepted as scientific. Go search the net, if you dont believe me?
      But you are going to say Nlp works. of course it works but its still pseudo science
      The same is with Sedona method it works but like Nlp its not accepted
      Why they are not accepted by science is gonna make you question everything
      Now there is something about sedona method that no one here talked about
      first its creator Lester was actually considered a western mystic. So sedona method is primarily a powerful mystic technique made simple
      Second The ultimate aim of the sedona Method is to create the state of equanimity(Impertubality as hale says) in the practioner
      If you are a life coach with some foresight you can understand how important that state is. Martial artist refer to that state as fudoshin
      this is a warrior Forum. achieving Fudoshin is very important for warriors
      The releasing of limited beliefs charged emotions are part of the process but the Goal is that state
      For your benefit there are other methods focused on removing beliefs
      but Sedona method is more holistic in my view point. oh by the way i got the entire course by torrent so if any one wants it i dont have any problem
      I believe in sharing knowledge and **** copyright
      Ps there is another course that is THE WORK By byron Katie you can try that too. oh i also have that if you cant find it i will post it for free
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