Be Honest....

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Have you every really manifested anything?

I have read Hill, Proctor,Byrne,Allen,Hicks and Vitale..

Visualization, Meditation,positive thinking,ho'openopoeno,
Tried them all.

Tell me your story. Did it work for you?

We manifest everything in our lives. This is a very hard concept to grasp for a lot of people. There is a misconception of manifestation as something magical, to where the money, the happiness, the new car, new home, or whatever it is you want, will randomly appear one day out of thin air. That's not how it works and it's not magical at all.

Not saying this is your opinion, just saying this is the reaction most people have.

"At one point in your life you wanted everything that you now have." I quote this but don't remember from who.

"You get the future you deserve."
-Nostradamus

^This is one of my favorites because it's straight the point. Not to add that it's quoted from the greatest prophet in human history.

Gotta throw in an Einstein quote...

"There are two ways to live, one is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is."
-Albert Einstein

Nothing is a miracle. Everything happens because you make it happen, no matter what it is. From getting glass of water, to becoming a millionaire, or getting into a car accident. It has happened because you "manifested" it. But what's the point of all of it? To learn.

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TheDreamerSpot

13 years ago

And to answer your question, I have manifested. It's just a matter of realizing that it has been done.

This morning I was really hungry, so I made myself some eggs, bacon, and hasbrowns. I "manifested" my breakfast.

"No you didn't, you just cooked it!"

Welcome to the subtle brilliance of life...

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dad2four 13 years ago

Ofcourse it works.

It has worked in your life.

The trouble is that as humans, once we achieve something, it becomes passe.

Look back, what have you achived that you "manifested" first. Getting your drivers license, buying a car, finishing high school, college, making the football team, making a house payment.

Wherever you are, look around you. We are surrounded by "stuff" that was "manifested" at some point. Everything created by humans was someones idea at some point. many objects around us are comprised of many ideas that all came to fruition.

It's a fact, set your sites high, and WRITE THEM DOWN. Then break the big goals into "sub goals" and chip away, you will get there!
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Big Rob

13 years ago

No Daniel. That doesn't count.

I have an awesome car
Live in a big house.
Both kids in college.

Did I manifest these?
By busting my ass, you bet.

Have I gotten what I deserved?
If that's the case, why the constant struggle?

On the surface, it all looks peachy.

Down below, turmoil.

The material things come at a huge price.

I am looking for examples of significant results, not the trivial

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Big Rob

13 years ago

Love the Hammer quote in your sign,dad24

Too general in your response, however.

Out of Debt? Happy? Good relationships?
Solid business?

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TheDreamerSpot 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Love the Hammer quote in your sign,dad24

Too general in your response, however.

Out of Debt? Happy? Good relationships?
Solid business?

Everything.
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dad2four

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Love the Hammer quote in your sign,dad24

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Too general in your response, however.

Out of Debt? Happy? Good relationships?
Solid business?

I get the skepticism. Trust me I do. And the answer would be no i'm not living in a perfect world when you put those types of measurements on it.

Also, like you, I'm just getting started, but I have done alot of thinking about all of this stuff and how it applies to my past and present.

Alot of it comes down to appreciating what you currently have and what you have achieved up until now.

I have realized that honestly I have achieved everything I have put an honest effort into achieving. Do I have everything I want? No, but it's because of choices I've made along the way.

When you talk about hard work, that's part of it. It's not going to fall in your lap. Your dreams won't come true thanks to magic. You will only achieve what you want throught hard work. Honestly, you will only appreciate it through hard work and you know it.

I read this the other day and it's a perfect example of how we don't appreciate what we don't work for. We all have a brain in our head that was give to us at birth. How much value do you put in yours? We take it for granted yet is't literally the most incredible thing that exists on the planet. True right?

Have you ever noticed how when you are stressed, tired, worried, short on money, you can't think straight and make stupid choices? How about the reverse? have you ever noticed when things are going pretty good how much clearer you can think? Part of this is realizing that you have to learn to let the little stuff that you can't control go so that you can put yourself in a position that you can be creative, productive and make good choices.

What I've wanted my entire life is to be self employed. I want to work for me whether I succeed of fail, stay poor or get rich.

What have I done? I got three college degrees, applied for jobs, and took them. I've spent alot of time reading and learning a vasy number of skills that will allow me to be self employed. What's the one thing that I needed to do to head down that path? The most important thing? Take action! and I haven't done it. I've put forth very little effort in the productivity, creation, realm.

Like I said. I am where I am because of my choices. Plain and simple. Only I have the power to change where I am, and I do have that power I have no doubt.

But, it won't happen until I choose a path and take massive action. I have to put in work.

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TheDreamerSpot

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dad2four

Thanks!

I get the skepticism. Trust me I do. And the answer would be no i'm not living in a perfect world when you put those types of measurements on it.

Also, like you, I'm just getting started, but I have done alot of thinking about all of this stuff and how it applies to my past and present.

Alot of it comes down to appreciating what you currently have and what you have achieved up until now.

I have realized that honestly I have achieved everything I have put an honest effort into achieving. Do I have everything I want? No, but it's because of choices I've made along the way.

When you talk about hard work, that's part of it. It's not going to fall in your lap. Your dreams won't come true thanks to magic. You will only achieve what you want throught hard work. Honestly, you will only appreciate it through hard work and you know it.

I read this the other day and it's a perfect example of how we don't appreciate what we don't work for. We all have a brain in our head that was give to us at birth. How much value do you put in yours? We take it for granted yet is't literally the most incredible thing that exists on the planet. True right?

Have you ever noticed how when you are stressed, tired, worried, short on money, you can't think straight and make stupid choices? How about the reverse? have you ever noticed when things are going pretty good how much clearer you can think? Part of this is realizing that you have to learn to let the little stuff that you can't control go so that you can put yourself in a position that you can be creative, productive and make good choices.

What I've wanted my entire life is to be self employed. I want to work for me whether I succeed of fail, stay poor or get rich.

What have I done? I got three college degrees, applied for jobs, and took them. I've spent alot of time reading and learning a vasy number of skills that will allow me to be self employed. What's the one thing that I needed to do to head down that path? The most important thing? Take action! and I haven't done it. I've put forth very little effort in the productivity, creation, realm.

Like I said. I am where I am because of my choices. Plain and simple. Only I have the power to change where I am, and I do have that power I have no doubt.

But, it won't happen until I choose a path and take massive action. I have to put in work.

Great post.

And Rob, I apologize for my blunt responses as I am still learning to have patience. We are all still learning, something I forget sometimes...

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dad2four 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheDreamerSpot

Great post.

Thanks! You have written alot of good stuff, I've read alot of it.
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TheDreamerSpot

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

No Daniel. That doesn't count.

I have an awesome car
Live in a big house.
Both kids in college.

Did I manifest these?
By busting my ass, you bet.

Have I gotten what I deserved?
If that's the case, why the constant struggle?

On the surface, it all looks peachy.

Down below, turmoil.

The material things come at a huge price.

I am looking for examples of significant results, not the trivial

My response remains the same and I have nothing to add. You fail to see my explanation as well as dad2four's because your very own thoughts are restricting you from accepting the truth.

You're full of questions, "big" questions, and you are seeking "big" answers, when in fact the answer is simplistic, simplistic enough for you to not accept as an answer.

Still, my friend, the answer remains hidden right before your very eyes in plain sight. Everything that you had, have, and will have, you deserve.

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Michael Ten

13 years ago

I just went and ate a snack. I manifested myself doing that. I think that is accurate. It is not magic or a miracle, but I did it. I made it happen.

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dad2four 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Ten

I just went and ate a snack. I manifested myself doing that. I think that is accurate. It is not magic or a miracle, but I did it. I made it happen.

There is a smarty in every crowd.
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- TheDreamerSpot 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dad2four
  
  Thanks! You have written alot of good stuff, I've read alot of it.
  
  Hearing that keeps me going, gives me drive and motivation. Thank you.
  
  Originally Posted by Michael Ten
  
  I just went and ate a snack. I manifested myself doing that. I think that is accurate. It is not magic or a miracle, but I did it. I made it happen.
  
  As simple as it may seem, congratulations, you have manifested a snack!
  
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Benny L

13 years ago

Your question here is what caused me to post my introduction thread (using your brain 24/7). But to be more direct, yes, we manifest things for ourselves all of the time. The hitch is, we can't manifest things from nothingness. They have to come from somewhere, specifically from the building blocks and tools we have around us.

I can manifest a paper airplane because I have paper and knowledge. I can manifest a PBJ because I have peanut butter, jelly, and bread. I can manifest a business as well... if I have the tools and knowledge I need.

But having the tools is not enough, it's about how you use them and what you do with them. Personally, I collect tools. I have some great microphones and recording gear. I have a very good collection of hand tools and power tools. I have a very good collection of college degrees. I have some money. Those are all great things to have. But how do I put them to use? What do I manifest with them? It could be anything for which I have the requisite tools and capabilities.

If anybody thinks they can manifest things without the necessary tools, information, and money, then they are just crazy.

Edit to add: The thought just occurred to me that in many cases tools, information, and money can be interchanged, at least to a certain degree.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

The concept of "manifesting" doesn't mean you don't have to do your part in making something happen. You can be led to be in the right place at the right time, but if you don't take advantage of the opportunity that comes with being there, it's as good as not being there.

It's not magic. You can have all the ingredients for a cake in the kitchen, but if you don't do your part it's never going to be a cake. Manifesting is like that. All the ingredients needed for the results you want could be present, but if you don't use them, the results aren't going to magically appear.

Those ingredients often include work, which is why so many folks don't get what they want. They'd rather sit around and wait for something magical to happen.

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Broyde

13 years ago

I think that the manifesting is like when the first runner did a mile in six minutes. Until he did it people were saying that it was an impossible feat. Once it was done, in less than a week everyone was doing it.

As more and more significant manifestations are produced or revealed, the belief that it is/was an impossibility or extremely difficult will go away and manifestations will become more commonplace.

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dad2four

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Broyde

I think that the manifesting is like when the first runner did a mile in six minutes. Until he did it people were saying that it was an impossible feat. Once it was done, in less than a week everyone was doing it.

Broyde, thanks for reminding me of this. There is a great lesson in that story.

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Ephrils

13 years ago

I manifest things all the time. We all do. From the thought to its creation whether it's making a sandwich or making money.

It's the bigger things people notice in their lives that they have manifested because it's so different from their current reality. I've manifested 1 or 2 of the ""big" things and am working on another. It's those big things that tell us we have changed something.

All the little manifestations we do day after day we take for granted, but they are what they are. You can manifest being a millionaire if you focus and work on it, or President, or a world record holder. Those are the "big" things, but creating them is no different than manifesting anything else. I think that's where people get tripped up. It's not the size of the manifestation, it's all the same at the end of the day, but the perception that because it is bigger it must be harder.

Why do things have to be hard? Why are you manifesting conflict and difficulty into the mix when it's really not necessary? You are in total control of your life. So unless you are gaining something from conflict and difficulty then let them go.

You're going to get back what you put out. You create the reality you most prefer. Make it a good one.

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Big Rob

13 years ago

@ Daniel- No worries being blunt, I am as well.

@ D24- I know exactly how you feel, very similar to my situation. I am where I am due to my choices,as well

@ Dennis- Yup , I have the ingredients. I know hard work very well.
So wheres the payoff?

@ Benny- I also have collected many tools, part of my point.

@ephrlis- If indeed I get back what I put out, I got a jackpot load coming

@broyde- Are the manifestations snowballing for you?

@ everyone- Please forgive my cynicism. I am not here to offend.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

@ Dennis- Yup , I have the ingredients. I know hard work very well.
So wheres the payoff?

You already mentioned some - big house, nice car, family...

Look around you, you manifested all of that. There may be more on the way.

Were you expecting magic too? Sometimes the "magic" is in the serendipitous moments of our lives. Like turning on the radio just in time to hear of a new book that might benefit us, or an old friend calling out of the blue that you haven't heard from in ages.

What do you think?

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Big Rob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

You already mentioned some - big house, nice car, family...

Look around you, you manifested all of that. There may be more on the way.

Were you expecting magic too? Sometimes the "magic" is in the serendipitous moments of our lives. Like turning on the radio just in time to hear of a new book that might benefit us, or an old friend calling out of the blue that you haven't heard from in ages.

What do you think?

I understand how it could be perceived that all those things and everything else in my life have been manifested by myself.

By that measure, I find it to be highly unlikely that I also created all the difficulties in my life.

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TheDreamerSpot

13 years ago

Has your question been answered, Rob?

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kellyyarnsbro

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Have you every really manifested anything?

I have read Hill, Proctor,Byrne,Allen,Hicks and Vitale..

Visualization, Meditation,positive thinking,ho'openopoeno,
Tried them all.

Tell me your story. Did it work for you?

Some does some don't. I use all of it as my guide. Read most of those and it's really helping. And the end of the day it's all up to us.

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Odahh

13 years ago

well the problem is the word manifest has been given some woo woo holier than though meaning ..

we are being created in the image of a creative force ..call it god allah yahwey , what every .. that not the issue ..

but we live in a universe where farily simple processes of creation combine into complext creations ..

for us as humans we have the ability to combine these processes together to create stuff we either want or do not want ..for what ever reason .we chose

The problem is most of us humans are unaware of our role in the process and we are asleep to the causes the prcesses and the effects .. of what is going on around us ..

Religion has one thing right ..that one of the main purposes of sex is to reproduce ... yet how many people are shocked and surprised when they have sex ..and pregnancy results ..

or they are 60 lbs over weight and get surprised by the heart attack or the development of diabites ..

look what happened in 2007-2008 .. when we where all shocked that millions of people who bought homes they did not have the income to afford.. lost those homes

you build a home on the bank of a river that floods every now and then.. chances are that home will get damage in a flood ..

so take the mystery and the woo woo out of it ..every result has a cause and a process ..learning the part you play is the biggest factor in getting results you want or getting results you don't want ..

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Odahh

13 years ago

I have bi polar disorder ..and have delt with cronic depression most of my life .. i have high functioning autism . and a comunication disorder that effects my ability to write.. and i am 60-70 pounds over weight ..with a longer list that can be mentioned later .

by being aware of these factors .. and many others .. i have gone from a state of complet hopelessness ,worthlessness.. where is was completely worn ou in nearly every area a human being could be 2-3 years ago ..to gradually making the changes in the way i think the way i react to things that got on .. the way i perceive what is going on.. what i allow to go into my head .. what i put in my body .. how i respond to signals my body gives me.. and how to figure out just what is causeing a certain problem to get worse ..

now i am still financially troubled .. and i still have many problems .. but i have put the depression and worthlessness behind me ..and just have anger issues in response to a world which want to treat me in a way to get me to feel hopeless and worthless ..

it is both easy and hard at the same time .. there are three things you do .. you ask what can i do or stop to make thing better .. what can i do or stop doing to stop making theing worse .. And if i am not willing to do anything right now .. what area can i focus on where i am willing to do something or stop doing something that will make things better in the long term ..

Do i feed the garden or do i weed the garden

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Big Rob

13 years ago

Thanks for the response,odahh.

Although my posts seem combative, I am merely a seeker.

Just to clarify, I am looking for possibilties.

As far as the woo woo, I blame the secret. Even though That book can be credited with putting me on this quest.

Another dilemma is I am a Christian, who has withdrawn from the church, but still a believer of the teachings of Christ. I am conflicted with those beliefs, and seeking answers elsewhere.

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Odahh

13 years ago

rob.. the only thing crist talks about is the law of attraction and how to manifest ..

Jesus was very wealthy .. but did not pool and horde wealth.. he lived in a way that he was supported every day ..and over and over he say .. you to can be like me and do greater things ..

i will not get too deep into it everyone is on their own path to find god .. it think many people are at the point where they are no longer listening to how they where told to do it ..and that they must tell everyone else that is the way.. but they are looking for ways that work for them and testing this and that ..many people are at different point in their search so something that works for this person may actually work against someone else ..

my own belief and i am not saying anyone should accept it .. is that the return of jesus .. is not a physical return of that being ..but finally getting what he was telling us ..

though i know have a positive mind set for the most part .. i do not engage in positive thinking all the much .. i would rather have a good idea of what is going on .. and be prepared fpr anything that may go wrong.. and aware when things are starting to slip ..that way i can take much less action now .. or be able to respond with confidence when problems arise ..rather than react with panic ..

I am still learning..but it has helped greatly ..and interesting sense the 12/21/12 mark i have started to view events happening now .. not from a short term perspective but a long term perspective into the past and the future .. it actually makes being now easier

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Odahh

13 years ago

we do not have free will in every moment ..as if we had to use our free will every second we might not be able get out of bed and eat breakfest before we starve from the choices we need to make ..

where we do have power is by observing how we make our choices in each moment and retraining an replacing those beliefs that cause us to chose badly ..

if you want to eat ice cream but can't control yourself ..instead of trying to fight your will power .. buy the most expensive best tasting ice cream you can.. not the cheapest ..and when you eat it view it as a decadent treat and reward.. to be enjoyed because you can ..

Now i use to not like salad it was ok .. butnow when i make it instead of having a boring salad with some store bought dressing.. i make my own dressing.. and i cook up some garlic onions and mushrroms so they are just right..

i mix high quality olive oil with a good red wine vinager a couple different a little mayo .. and what ever spices i desire then .. add a few different fresh greens .. some raw mushrooms chop up a tomato grind some fresh baked bread into crumbs then .. mayby i will add some meat to the cooked onions and mushrooms .. and put everything together ..

my salad is not only good for me .. it taste really really good ..and it is easier for me to whip up a salad .. that i like than heat up some crap in a box ..and i feel better after i eat it ..

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ceenote100

13 years ago

I'm a fan of those authors myself but I've manifested great things in my life way before I even heard of them. I basically used the same techniques they have. I knew that I was working with some type of power but I didn't know what it was or how it exactly worked.

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Big Rob

13 years ago

I like your style,Odahh.

Alas, even as we speak, I am getting slapped by ,well, Karma,the divine ,the ether whatever you may call it.

Been working since 2 am, won't be home till 7 pm, Have to drive to Orlando ( 1 hour each way), pick up my Son who has had the flu for 2 days, and more than likely take him to the hospital.
And, it's my wifes birthday.

Did I manifest/create/bring this on myself?

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Odahh 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Did I manifest/create/bring this on myself?

simple answer is .. if you believe you didn't and there is some force that just shovels this over you .. then there is little you will feel you can do about it

If you feel you have play some part or a big part and the other actors and factors only played roles you somehow wanted for some purpose .. you then have to accept there is stuff you can do about it.. even if what you do is to chose to do nothing ..and stop complaining about what ever ..

i am not so good at this yet it is very hard
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Odahh

13 years ago

well the answer will be given in the form of a question.

if this isn't what you prefer.. what are you going to do so that thing happen more in accord with the way you prefer in the future ...

what is happening with me is the thing that i don't really prefer but put up with or tolerated ..are sticking up more and demanding to either be fixed or delt with .. and not just tolerated .. it has been much easier to make many changes now than stay the same .. as many people are being given little choice ..

this is not about blame or seeing things as wrong now.. but seeing things as opportunities to improve ..we are no longer factory workers ..and it is getting harder and harder to find any way to get paid for doing thing the same way day in day out for long periods of time ..

the way things are now do not have to be bad to make them better .. it is karma's role because we use to need things to get bad to work on them.. so karma knew where and how to serve up a new problem .. so Karma tends to put your survival in question to get you to move .

It is nothing to do with tit for tat poweless thinking of i did this in a past life soithis is happening to me now . but that is a whole other discussion ..

here is the choice ..you can make you can only chose to get better in response to problems .. or you can just get better out of a basic desire to get better and leave karma our of it .. I am between this right now as in many ways i am getting better out of choice in others i am still playing games of karma ..

so shifting is a process of not only realizing you have options .. but learning how to find the many options you have..and thene xerting the power to test the options that seem to interest you the most

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Heart Cardio

13 years ago

No nothing is a miracle. You have to work hard at everything you have in life. Or at least I do. Maybe if you are born rich and have everything handed down to you, you would not have to work hard. But I have to. And it is not a bad thing either. I like to work hard.

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dad2four 13 years ago

Heart Cardio. In the book "the magic story", the story mentions that fortune is like a lady and it will leave for the attention of another if you do not work to keep it.

I believe that some may start with a fortune (having it handed down) but it can be lost without work.

Ofcourse there are exceptions to every rule. There are those so filthy rich that they could do everything wrong and take a lifetime to spend their fortune. But I believe that for the most part, even rich people have to work to keep their money.

Ofcourse there are different kinds of work. Managing resources has it's own set of challenges that differ from digging a ditch. Both can be equally as challenging in their own way.

Rob, I belive that try as we may life will hand you lemons no matter how hard you work at it. All you can do is deal with it better, get over the speed bump, and move on. Don't let a speedbump that takes a day or a week to get over, affect you for any longer than necessary to get over it.

Imagine being filthy rich then getting cancer. No matter how hard we try, we don't have control over everything. Ya gotta accept that and work to improve what areas you can so that when the challenges come you can deal with them better.

I hope your kid gets better quick and I hope your wife has a great Bday. Sounds like a belated celebration may be in order.

Hey, it's snowing here, I bet the weather is better there for your drive. :-) I used to live in Orlando, I miss it. I have only been to the beach twice in the last 8 years. I hope to improve that.
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Big Rob

13 years ago

@Odahh- You are really bringing the heavy artillery!
And with it, increased clarity for me.Thank you so very much.

@D24- Thank you ,too. Turns out the Boy is gonna Drive himself over,after he gets some sleep, ( much to Mommas chagrin), if he is able, doesn't want to burden me or spoil Moms Bday. (Aw!)
Everyone please send him some strength blessing

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Odahh

13 years ago

Ofcourse there are exceptions to every rule. There are those so filthy rich that they could do everything wrong and take a lifetime to spend their fortune. But I believe that for the most part, even rich people have to work to keep their money.

at some point the work people rich people do is figuring out how to use their money to make more money ..

the rich get richer.. not work harder and harder .. give a poor person a million dollars.. and they may not even come off food stamps half of that goes to taxes .. the poor person will buy a couple houses spend the rest on drug or other stuff and be poor again .. (or however that women in the news 6 months ago managed )

give a million dollars to a rich person ..they will try to buy or build an asset to eventually turn into more money

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Vallank2

13 years ago

Nothing absolutely Nothing is manifested in the physical realm without having frist began in the Spiritual (thought) realm.

It is not possible.............a Divine Law of Nature.

So to answer your question.......................YES we do it everyday.

Just my take
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hardraysnight

13 years ago

i am waiting for a manifest

let us hope i get it before i receive all my goodies from china

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TheDreamerSpot

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Thanks for the response,odahh.

Although my posts seem combative, I am merely a seeker.

Just to clarify, I am looking for possibilties.

As far as the woo woo, I blame the secret. Even though That book can be credited with putting me on this quest.

Another dilemma is I am a Christian, who has withdrawn from the church, but still a believer of the teachings of Christ. I am conflicted with those beliefs, and seeking answers elsewhere.

Unfortunately religion has been twisted around and is misinterpreted. Believers of religion only follow what is being taught to them. Their own opinion is erased and their imagination for learning is simply transformed into memory. Memorizing is not learning.

However, the base of religion, all religions are one and the same. If you dig deep enough and broaden your thoughts, you will quickly realize that the teachings of spiritual leaders, and the greatest minds in our history, are that which Jesus teaches and what is taught in the Bible.

Have you read the Bible? Read it, but remove religious viewpoints and it will begin to make sense. No longer look at it as a 'Holy' book, but rather a book of knowledge.

People construe the miraculous stories in the Bible to be magical, but they are nothing more than physical things that which actually happened, much like manifesting. A million dollars isn't going to fall on your lap just because you want it, you have to work for it and make it happen.

Originally Posted by Big Rob

I like your style,Odahh.

Alas, even as we speak, I am getting slapped by ,well, Karma,the divine ,the ether whatever you may call it.

Been working since 2 am, won't be home till 7 pm, Have to drive to Orlando ( 1 hour each way), pick up my Son who has had the flu for 2 days, and more than likely take him to the hospital.
And, it's my wifes birthday.

Did I manifest/create/bring this on myself?

Did you manifest your Son's sickness? Of course not. You're not the one who's sick, your Son is. You manifest only your life, no one else's. This is "free will".

And the fact that you have to drive to Orlando and take your Son to the hospital all on your wife's birthday has absolutely nothing to do with manifesting. These are just circumstances that you have to deal with.

You only have control over your life and the way it is perceived, but your actions and the way you treat others is how to make a difference.

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theory expert

Banned 13 years ago

OP you have to do what is best for you. I personally never had anything manifest and therefore don't care to understand something that is metaphysical in philosophy. I choose the self reliant route. It works better for me. If you need advice on that I can lead you in the right direction otherwise I am of no use to you in this thread.

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TheDreamerSpot

13 years ago

Originally Posted by theory expert

OP you have to do what is best for you. I personally never had anything manifest and therefore don't care to understand something that is metaphysical in philosophy. I choose the self reliant route. It works better for me. If you need advice on that I can lead you in the right direction otherwise I am of no use to you in this thread.

You're doing it right.

To simply rely on yourself and take full responsibility for what you don't have, won't have, have, had, and will have.

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heavysm

13 years ago

To be brief, hell yes!! I set intentions and meditate on how i want my life to go everyday. And each time there tends to be coincidental shifts pointing me toward that idealized visualized image I created. I manifest small positive things to come into my life, I have manifested random new people that positively affect my life...I have manifested a ton of things into my life.

For me I have to set intentions with a blank mind. Think of throwing stones into a lake and the ripples they cause like thoughts in your mind. The lake needs to be as still as possible; idea-less, thoughtless...whatever you want to call it. The lake needs to be still. Then you gently but firmly place your carefully intended stones into the water so only those ripples permeate through the water.

Intentions set in a wild sea of ripples/thoughts will be like a voice unheard in room of screaming people. The practice must be honed over time.

For me personally, I can easily get into that mind-blank state easiest when i am in the theta state (when you're sort of sleepy but still awake). This is when I have found that my intentions have the most power.

Overall my message wasn't brief but i really hope you get the idea

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Big Rob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

To be brief, hell yes!! I set intentions and meditate on how i want my life to go everyday. And each time there tends to be coincidental shifts pointing me toward that idealized visualized image I created. I manifest small positive things to come into my life, I have manifested random new people that positively affect my life...I have manifested a ton of things into my life.

For me I have to set intentions with a blank mind. Think of throwing stones into a lake and the ripples they cause like thoughts in your mind. The lake needs to be as still as possible; idea-less, thoughtless...whatever you want to call it. The lake needs to be still. Then you gently but firmly place your carefully intended stones into the water so only those ripples permeate through the water.

Intentions set in a wild sea of ripples/thoughts will be like a voice unheard in room of screaming people. The practice must be honed over time.

For me personally, I can easily get into that mind-blank state easiest when i am in the theta state (when you're sort of sleepy but still awake). This is when I have found that my intentions have the most power.

Overall my message wasn't brief but i really hope you get the idea

Heavy ,

How do you get to and stay in that theta state?
I always fall asleep.
And How do you clear your mind?
Mine never stops (adhd)

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Odahh 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Heavy ,

How do you get to and stay in that theta state?
I always fall asleep.
And How do you clear your mind?
Mine never stops (adhd)

adhd is less a problem with paying attention.. and more of a problem with being able to stuff that is just either not interesting to begin with or will never be in the form it is presented

i doubt you have any problem paying attention to stuff you find very interesting ..

there are a lot of people who had no intererest in really advanced math in school ..but they got into playing world of war craft and raiding .. and they learned how to do the math so they could do a bit more damage here and there to get a little better ..

i have never been able to meditate i have found pruning out the more negative thoughts .. listening to the tone and words i use in my thoughts .. and tuning the chatter in my head from dis-empowering to empowering language ..

there are a lot of things that parade as positive thought.. but are really when you look at them base in a perspective of lack the only words that really mean anything are those that come after the butt and the justs ... if you write down your butts ..

you either learn to kick the butts or the butts will kick you
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Big Rob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by theory expert

OP you have to do what is best for you. I personally never had anything manifest and therefore don't care to understand something that is metaphysical in philosophy. I choose the self reliant route. It works better for me. If you need advice on that I can lead you in the right direction otherwise I am of no use to you in this thread.

I am curious.
Please post your view.
Always interested in opposing views.
ie- theorists vs.pragmatics

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Odahh

13 years ago

haha I am working on this .. i would love to get into a position where i could make money teaching people and writing about some of this stuff and i have someone who can edit and help me write clearer..Butt, butt, butt ...our butts are kicking both of us right now

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Big Rob

13 years ago

Ok, odahh.

I have never been diagnosed with ADHD, except for self diagnosis.
That does inhibit the ability to focus which is what's required to meditate is it not?

How do you go about pruning out the negative thoughts?
The chatter rarely stops in my mind. I am very interested in learning how you do this.

Sidebar: I would love to work with you!

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Odahh

13 years ago

i will go more into detail later ..

it start by learning to tell the difference between your thought..and the many though that have been absorbed by others ..

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gtrujillo

13 years ago

big rob, your self diagnosis of ADHD could just be "Monkey Brain" No insult look it up. Find visualization pictures that stick and keywords that bring you back to you meditative state. Try to be pure in your manifestation desires and they often occur. Funny story. Before I married my wife I wished and prayed to god and every other entity besides the devil, that i would marry my now wife. I said over and over " please let me marry my girlfriend even if we are poor" Ill be darn if it didnt come true!
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Big Rob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by gtrujillo

big rob, your self diagnosis of ADHD could just be "Monkey Brain" No insult look it up. Find visualization pictures that stick and keywords that bring you back to you meditative state. Try to be pure in your manifestation desires and they often occur. Funny story. Before I married my wife I wished and prayed to god and every other entity besides the devil, that i would marry my now wife. I said over and over " please let me marry my girlfriend even if we are poor" Ill be darn if it didnt come true!
Peace

Intresting ,Glenn.
I did a search for monkey brain, but all I kept hitting was articles on the cuisine, yuck!

What I did find however, with something on the "monkey mind"

'Monkey Mind': When Debilitating Anxiety Takes Over : NPR

Never thought it was anxiety, maybe it is....

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ekimnotrab

13 years ago

To me all of that stuff makes sense and works, but I think they do have a way of trying to turn it into something a lot more mystical than it really it is. The way I see it they are trying to explain that when you truly want and need something you will get it; do need a positive attitude about it? No, probably not, but it does help.

The best example I can give for showing my perspective on this stuff is this:

Wanting something to eat.

Wanting something to eat starts in one of two ways, either you feel hungry, or you have a craving for something you want. When this happens you have to make a decision; either tell yourself no you don't need to eat right now, or yes you are going to eat. It is the second decision that relates to Hill, and the Secret, etc.

See if you just want to eat, you'll put in a little effort into getting something to eat, but if after a few minutes you don't find anything you'll probably just give up...

Until you NEED something to eat. Once you need something to eat, you view it as a life or death situation. This is the difference between a NEED and a WANT. When you NEED something to eat, you will not stop until you get something to eat. Whether it is as simple as going to the kitchen, or to the grocery store or a restaurant, or hunting down and killing an animal, if you NEED to eat, you're going to find a way to eat.

Of course, this is a very simple way to look at it, but if you change the eating to X (Whatever X may be for you) than the same theory applies. Also, virtually everyone knows how to get some food, so you don't need to put much effort into the "finding out how" part of the equation. But in the end, it truly is the same.

If you simply just want something, chances are you'll never take any real serious action to get it, for some folks they may get what they want from pure luck but most people who want something will put a little effort into finding out how to get what they want, some might even actually step up to the plate and take a swing and miss once or twice. But if it is just a want they will eventually give up.

When you make the decision to make it a NEED than you will never quit until you die or you get what it is that you need. Even if you have no clue how to get it, you will spend every minute you can figuring out how to get it, than you will go out and try to get it, if you fail, you'll regroup and find another way to get it, and you will keep repeating this until you do indeed get it.

Colonel Sanders had to go to over 1,000 restaurant owners before finally finding one who agreed to buy his recipe and open the first KFC. Mr. Sanders NEEDED to sell his recipe, he didn't want to. If he wanted to he would have given up after the first 2-3 owners said no. Instead he spent 7 years travelling the US going to restaurant after restaurant before he finally realized his success.

That's what it boils down to, either you want it, or you need it.

Chances are you just want it, and if that is the case I am not saying all hope is lost for you. You just need to sit down and figure out why you truly want it. Deep down there is one or more reasons you want X, to make it a NEED you need to get obsessed about satisfying that/those reasons; once you are obsessed and develop a passion for satisfying these wants, they then become needs.

Sorry for being long winded, that is my first attempt at putting my views on that stuff into words, hope it helps.

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Big Rob

13 years ago

Ekimnitrab- whew! That's a mouthful!

Don't apologize. Not long winded.Thoughtful.

I get just the wanting vs. The dire need.

The frustration for me lies in the process.

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gtrujillo 13 years ago

I guess monkey mind is real, i was so distracted I called it monkey brain!
Ps EFT, NLP and QI Gong help me alot. My version of monkey mind is when you are trying hard to focus or meditate and you mind wanders. big reason why shiny object syndrome and procrastination keep so many from succeeding in IM.
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ekimnotrab 13 years ago

The process is definitely the hands down most frustrating part of making money online. And it is exactly why not everyone does make money online, finding that process in my opinion helps separate those who simply want to make money online and those who need to make money online.

Those who want to make money online (and this is speaking from experience from when I wanted to make money online) usually just fool around, dip their toes in here and there, and never really put them themselves completely into it. They tend to jump from thing to thing hoping one will pay off the way people jump from this weeks lotto ticket to next weeks lotto ticket; but no amount of faith is every put into anyone process; or lotto ticket.

That is where I was for probably a decade, working regular jobs I didn't like, but I was comfortable. In the evenings and weekends I would fool around online trying to make money, and find ways to make money. I probably put at least one GoDaddy's employees child through college with all the domains I bought over the years, I would 90% of them never even got added to a hosting account as I would find a process of idea that seemed more lucrative and than jump ship.

Now, I find myself laid off as of November 2012. I lucked out and landed a great job, I was averaging $50-$60k a year; which is close to double or even triple the average income where I live. I could spent ten years and probably not find another job with my education that would pay me that around here.

This is where I transformed from wanting to make money online, to needing to make money online. It was probably mid January when I actually decided I was going to do this.

The application of my effort and focus now that I NEED to make money online vs. when I wanted to make money online is a complete 180. Before I would sit at the computer with a six pack on a Saturday night and fool around. Now, I wake up everyday with a plan of what I intend to accomplish that day and I don't stop until I do it. I just jump from one thing to another, I don't have YouTube open to watch silly videos from time to time. Hell I don't even listen to music, I focus on what I need to do and I do it.

If you're finding yourself lacking a process, than you know exactly what you need to do. You need to find a process, and depending on what you are currently doing to find a process I would say it isn't working. So why not change things up.

Make a plan that tomorrow you will do nothing but look for different processes. Decide on a number you want to find. Say 10. It is easy to find 10 different ways to make money online, just punch it into Google.

Once you have a list of ten, spend an hour on each one finding out everything you can on it. Google "process" reviews. Take a piece of paper for each one and write down everything you can about it.

Then next day, organize each sheet into pros/cons. Find out what you like and don't like about each one.

The next day, pick one and run with it and don't stop. Don't jump to another one, or go looking for more.

If you do this, as opposed to what you have been doing, you should have a process selected for Monday and you'll be all ready to start.

Also, one of the key things I think all the people who want to make money online should realize is that making money online is not something that happens overnight. Back when I wanted to make money online I focused my searches on the "get rich quick" type of stuff, which as I can speak from a decades worth of experience, doesn't work.

Now that I NEED to make money online and am taking it serious, I have been able to look beyond the get rich quick type garbage, and instead started searching out people who have made a lot of money online doing all kinds of different things, but absolutely no one who makes money just by telling others how to make money. This is the stuff you should avoid if you ask me.
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marktwins

13 years ago

Byrne's The Secret really helps me to change my attitude and i really found a new face of life.

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Big Rob 13 years ago

Ekimnotrab- um, would you mind telling me your first name?
Your forum name is tough for old dudes like me...

I'm not talking about the frustrations of the processes of IM.
I have a pretty clear understanding of how those processes work unfortunately I don't have the time or the capital at the moment to really give it its due.

The frustration of addressing the whirling dervish which is my mind.

That's what I was referring to.

The reason I started this thread is that I am looking for clarity.

Also, I am sneaking most of these post in while at work
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David Michael

13 years ago

You cannot create anything from your mind only. The act of visualiztion is not creating images in your mind, it is drawing/writing what you see in your mind as a visual object. ie prototyping.

You cannot attract people, places or things by thinking about them. All you will attract is more thoughts of the people, places or things you were thinking about.

Tip:The minds natural state is inverted/perverted, meaning it doesn't necessarily correlate with ultimate reality.

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Odahh

13 years ago

ekim,
I disagree with putting something in the realm of desperate need ..

but there is a big difference between having a dream that you put way out there ..and feels good to think about..and maybe fool yourself ..by studying how to do it ..listening to those who have done it ..maybe even visualize themselves "eventually" doing it .. but they leave it out there in the future for fear that it might not be that good if they do it ..

as humans we try to bury our pains in the past and hide our greatest desires out in the future somewhere ..but we create our day to day lives by what we have done in the pasts.. so we tend to keep creating the same pains over and over. and never learn the lesson .

now i have personal been walking into the realm of the mystic .. and the problem with the secret is evident ..in the fact that it is really only there to give those who had no idea before of what it was .. a starter idea to put to use ..

At this point what i do now is based on the perspective that i could live another 100-200 years in the body i have now .. well i am reactivating my dna so it replicate perfect dna .. so i will eventually stop ageing .. without the dna therapies that will be available in 10-20 years ..

so though i have financial pain right now .. i am not so concerned with becoming rich or making a lot of money .. i am focused on how to make my life and the world around me better then i will draw those to me who are ready to learn how to make their lives and the world around them better ..and teach them to teach others who are ready to learn and do ..

when i step on this path.. i will always have all i need to do what i want ..

now are you really making the changes you are making out of need .. or a realization that yeah you might be fine going from one good job to another every few years ..

But you are tired of giving someone else the power to tell you when you should go to sleep.. wake up.. eat .. take a trip here or there .. when you can play golf .. hey even when you can use the bathroom .. which is essentially what we do when we sell our time to a stable job for money .

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theory expert

Banned 13 years ago

I'll just post links it is no debate really. It is just what works for me & my style. Pragmatics:
Jack LaLanne: Isn't Life Just Great!
Susan Powter: I'm Not Here to Audition!

Robert Greene on Chapter 2, The 50th Law - YouTube

By the way I was skimming through 50th law yesterday. I forgot how good it really is!!!

GOOD LUCK!

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Big Rob

13 years ago

Thats intresting stuff theory.
Did not know 50 ¢ was that intelligent

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Odahh 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Thats intresting stuff theory.
Did not know 50 ¢ was that intelligent

if you are not in the conspiracy crowd and whine about every so called illuminati symbol that show up in videos .. some artist like niki miaj and lady gaga.. have very interesting marketing stratagies ..sense the industry lost the star maker ability..and the stars have to pick themselves
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Mr Bill

13 years ago

I think I understand your point..."did anything appear in your life magically just by thinking about wanting it?" (correct me if I'm wrong). For me the answer is yes. I've had lots of freaky times when I was thinking about something that would not normally appear in my life and then it just did.

I think that what's more likely happening is that by thinking about cool things we want we tend to steer our lives in that direction which helps in them "come into our lives as if by manifestation".

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Odahh

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mr Bill

I think I understand your point..."did anything appear in your life magically just by thinking about wanting it?" (correct me if I'm wrong). For me the answer is yes. I've had lots of freaky times when I was thinking about something that would not normally appear in my life and then it just did.

I think that what's more likely happening is that by thinking about cool things we want we tend to steer our lives in that direction which helps in them "come into our lives as if by manifestation".

we really only manifest that which fits into our story or that we believe can happen to us .. in the secret the girl who dreamed about having a certain necklace.. and who's boyfriend gave her that necklace.. was dating a guy who was able to get her that necklace and thoughtfull enough to get it ..

And for me that is my root problem with the presentation of the secret and much of the woo woo stuff.. the default process of wanting sometihng than poof somehow getting it ..

My core belief is we are hear to grow and events in our lives will push us to grow and if we refuse to grow push us to death or threaten us with death ...

If we are on a path of growth we will manifest that which will maifest the most interesting things to grow .. almost with out effort.. If we are trying to stay how we are or refusing to grow .. we will manifest the same events over and over until we learn the lesson from them and grow ..

right now in my life i am manifesting difficulties which spike up in extremity and threaten my sanity .. as a way to chose to separate myself from a certain cycle of events that i no longer want to playa role in by feel obligated to stay in ..

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