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If anyone is in doubt about the future of mobile anything...just go to the nearest large university and sit and watch. You'll be absolutely astounded at the numbers of students walking around with heads down looking at something or doing something on their smart phones. Just now I was walking by a study cubicle at the Library and was a bit surprised to see a girl who had been sitting at the cubicle just a minute ago, sitting on the floor between cubicles...you guessed it, doing something on her cell phone. I didn't even know she was there until I walked by. I am guessing that she started to go and unplug the charging chord from her phone in preparation for leaving and got distracted by something on her phone that she absolutely just could not ignore. Probably a friend's text message LOL. The other day I thought I had seen everything respecting students walking around with their heads in their phones (i.e. walking across the street on cross walks texting, walking across bike paths texting without looking, etc.) until I saw a girl stumble on the stairs as a result of texting on her phone. I mean she didn't take a fall or anything but nevertheless it struck me as a bit extreme to be texting or otherwise engaged on your cell phone while walking down the steps. Students seem absolutely and unquestionably addicted to their phones. I see them pull out a phone and start in on whatever they do on it the moment they step outside a classroom. Almost before their hands let go of the classroom door they just came through. Out comes the cell phone. Like a drug user who absolutely must have their fix ![]() I mean I suppose there are legitimate reasons to do that but still...that's how it comes across. Oh...the girl just got up from the floor. I think she put her cell phone away but you never know. She might pull it out again any minute. She seems to be thinking about it (she just looked down to what I presume is her cell phone again). Too funny...this cell phone phenomenon. It's sweeping the land. Carlos |
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You need to work on that bit, probably not mention at all BUT rather find easy (turnkey) ways for them to promote those sites. That way way you will have a complete package. Google Analytics may not do the trick since most sites don't get much traffic anyway. | |
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I saw these numbers recently: 75% 50% 30% these were what percentage of certain groups approved of same sex marriage being legal. 75% under 30 50% 31-49 30% over 50 As the over 50 die [ I am 45] and are replaced by 31-49 and the 18-30 replace the 31-49 and the under 18 become 18-30 I hope you can see where I am going with this. In a very short time no one will remember how they searched or the world searched the internet using just a desktop computer that was locked down on a table, in a room, in one location! People buying Cd's will be like buying albums are now [a funny thing to show friends when they come over for a drink] in five years or less. Maybe they already are! |
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Joe, Not sure what your numbers on same sex marriage have to do with searching the internet and all but...interesting...I suppose. I mean I don't decide such issues based on polls or based on how many people are in favor of something or not and I certainly don't search the internet to find the percentages of people opposed, for, or indifferent about an issue such as this. Carlos |
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My issues with mobile sites has been that if a prospect has a good optimized Google Places link then it will come up in a mobile browser, so they ask why do they need a mobile website?
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Also, I would not be targeting people who are showing up well in Google Places. You want people who are spending money on advertising their website as they are going to be more receptive and the fact they are not up the top of Google also gives you other services you can sell them in the future. | |
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Show them a kick-butt custom QR code that will make their print ad stand out against competitors. THEN explain to them why they need a mobile site. I feel your pain too, coming from the other end, selling mostly the custom QR graphic design. The market doesn't yet know it needs this... but the two really do go hand in hand and as more big marketers start blasting consumers with custom QR codes, QR readers come native in future smartphones, etc, SMB's will start to catch on. Crap, I hope.
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OP just isn't a very good marketer at all, he could of been in sales for 40 years, means nothing. he is preaching features instead of the benefits and value that flips the emotional triggers to a point where its a NO BRAINER, to a point where it HURTING them if they dont' buy is the difference between selling 2 out of a 100 and selling 80 out of a 100 especially in FACE TO FACE meetings where they were ALREADY interested. Go to the copywriting forum on here, they will help you out greatly. |
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I think you miss the point of a forum. Your posts are always just telling people to contact you for tips. Why not share your tips right here... that's what a forum is all about, right?! Telling people to contact you doesn't really add anything to the conversation we have going on here. No disrespect meant but 'cmon. | |
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Thanks for sharing your daily offline routine. I've sold two mobie sites included w/website. It's rough out there. Some biz don't see the need for website or mobie site ? Numbers game..
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I have also tried to do this. I tried cold calling 100 restaurants and I got no sales. Most of points have already been brought up. Most restaurants have very low margins and I found that trying to sell stuff to them has been futile. Good luck!
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Restaurants don't need "stuff", they need more customers.... so come up with a way that your products/services will accomplish that and you'll start getting sales.
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Lots of great info going on in this thread. I've started getting into mobile marketing in the restaurant/bar business here locally. In order to give myself a "boost" (rather than go out there cold with nothing to really "show" for it), I'm doing the following: - Creating a full-blown web directory for only LOCAL restaurants/bars (including a separate mobile directory as well). While these are common, I've managed to "dumb things down" and make searching for a local restaurant so stupidly easy, it is almost ADDICTING to use it. Makes searching for something local MUCH easier than trying to search through Google Places or the web in general. - Building an e-mail list of people who visit this directory looking for coupons and offers from local area bars/restaurants. In other words, I'm building up something that can easily benefit ANY local restaurant/bar owner. Plus, once I get traffic rolling and the list sign-ups coming through, I have the ammo I need to help land sales (both via mobile sites AND advertising via my list and on my directory). Is going this route a bit tougher? Maybe, but by going this way I have the opportunity to build TRUST with local restaurant and bar owners as the brand name builds up. To me, it's worth the effort and should make things easier than randomly walking into a bunch of businesses with something to sell. If I things right over time, I could even have some business owners calling ME to take action. Am I dreaming? I guess I'll find out soon enough ![]() |
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Mac, Do you write your own mobile apps, or do you use a program like GoMobile Solutions? I've watched their webinar three times now, and your story was basically one of the reasons I never jumped on the opportunity. Another reason was the reputation of the company owners, but I don't have first hand knowledge, so I hate to judge. I would love to learn how to create mobile apps and wonder if you have any advice on where is the best place to start AND the bigger question is...is it even worth it? Judging from your post, it doesn't sound like it :rolleyes: |
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You are offering them an opportunity to increase their sales. Explain how. If restaurants are not working out for you, then why not try locksmiths, plumbers, etc.? | |
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It's funny, this post kind of flew under the radar - two "thanks" and I believe one other quote. This is one of the most impactful posts I have ever read in the mobile marketing forum. Why? Because it's a blueprint of actions. How do I know? Because when I read it I took action that very afternoon. I rang the local hotel in my town, spoke with the GM and agreed an arrangement to promote my mobile town directory to their guests, in return for a free mobile site and regular updates. I did the exact same thing in a college campus which holds over 1000 beds and caters for tourists in the off season when college is closed. Same deal. Promoting the mobile site in all the rooms. A business card promoting the site is slipped into the wallet of their keycard upon checkin - for both places. This bit was key for me: "If little ol' YOU can SHOW businesses, professionals, medicos....how they can GET MORE CUSTOMERS, CLIENTS, PATIENTS....you can "Name Your Own Price"!" If you've got a QR code scanner handy try this out I was in there on Tuesday, ordered a breakfast and a smoothie, asked for the Manager and demo'd the site for him. He LOVED the facebook like part along with the coupon appearing after it was liked. He agreed to promote my mobile directory in his BUSY popular cafe. Exactly what I wanted. I did the same to two other businesses that day. Once I had the two main businesses in that town that I wanted on it, selling this was easy. I already have deals (in principle) that when the site goes live they get a top slot in return for a monthly recurring fee. One tip - if you go networking ask your group of networkers if they know anyone in the hotel industry/owner of a cafe. It can be a great head start for you. I knew the campus accommodation manager but not the other two, but when I had the agreement to promote it the leverage was on my side. Thanks midasman09 for an awesome strategy. | |
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Great post. Very informative and realistic. I'm extremely new to mobile marketing but I'm very committed. I've spent the last two days on my laptop researching and gathering any useful info and I plan on doing this for the next couple months. One question for you, how do I make a mobile directory? | |
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WOW! Kevin! I just re-read your post and discovered a GREAT, PROMO idea! You said; I did the exact same thing in a college campus which holds over 1000 beds and caters for tourists in the off season when college is closed. Same deal. Promoting the mobile site in all the rooms. (Now HERE'S where the "Unique Promo Idea" comes in) A business card promoting the site is slipped into the wallet of their keycard upon checkin - for both places. Wow! Again...WOW! MOSt of you also probably missed this...excuse my over-exhuberance but...."SLIPPING A BUSINESS CARD INTO THE WALLET OF KEY-CARDS upon check-in"....is STUPENDOUS! Why? "Keycards" with advertising on them ARE EXPENSIVE! One of my first thoughts on "Marketing" my "Mobile Directory" was to concentrate on Targeting "Tourists/Travelers" staying at local Hotels/Motels. My thought was to "Find Ways to let the "Room Guests" (who have NO food with them and are looking for "Places To Eat" or "Have Food Delivered to their Room")....was to put a QR Code (and the URL addy of my Directory....ONTO a "KeyCard". However....this is Expensive because the KeyCards have to be printed on Plastic and..."electronically adjusted to the Hotel'Motel Door System... so...I then thought about dropping the KeyCard idea. BUT....Kevin here...has provided a "Low-Cost" answer of making up El-Cheapo "BUSINESS CARDS" (My supplier can print 10,000 of these puppies, 14pt, UNcoated for....hold onto yer hat.....$69.16!!!!!) WOW! FOR LESS THAN A PENNY APIECE....I can have An Ad (+my QR Code) for my Mobile Directory...shoved into the envelope that holds the expensive KeyCard....so....EVERY ONE of 10,000 GUESTS... checking into my participating Hotels/Motels....WILL SEE THE AD FOR MY "DIRECTORY" that will provide these "Tourists/Travelers" with VALUABLE INFO on; WHERE TO EAT (including how to get Pizza delivered to their rooms) WHERE TO SHOP LOCAL ATTRACTIONS LOCAL SERVICES (Car Wash, Auto Repair, Oil Change) REAL ESTATE BEAUTY SALONS MOWEE....WOWEE! As an example; Let's say you have 6 Hotels with 100 rms each...who've agreed to HAND each of their guests.... a "Business Card"...along with their KeyCard....when they check in. Let's say the occupancy Rate is just 50% (in summer it's more like 80%).....this means that on any given day there are 300 rooms being rented. In a month....it's 300 x 30 = 9,000 of YOUR business cards being HANDED to "Visitors"....and your cost is $70! If YOU were the owner of a Restaurant, Car Wash, Gift Shop, Beauty Salon, Local Attraction....WHAT do you think it would be worth to have YOUR BIZ SEEN by 9 to 10,000 Visitors A MONTH? $100/mo?....$200/mo?...more? Well....ya don't know UNTIL ya try to sell it! So....guess what Donnie-boy is gonna be doin' the next few weeks? Don Alm....idea-guy....off on another "Hunt for Info" |
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I'm sorry BUT....it seems that MOST "viewers" HERE...don't have a "clue" on how the "Real World WORKS! So...without sounding "High-Falutin" or "Snobbish" ( I have PAID MY DUES and am ENTITLED to "Speak Out" on a subject I know a LOT about.... meeting "Face-To-Face"...with REAL Business Owners....finding WHAT they "WANT"....and delivering IT to them....since 1980) OK...here goes; Your question is; "What is the incentive for the hotel owner? Why would he give away your card instead promote some of his/her own stuph...?" I will begin by saying; WHY...will ANY business owner DO anything? Well...for a number of reasons BUT....what we are talking about here is, "WHY will Hotel Owners (or Mgrs) want to "Take The TIME" to participate in MY program?....telling their Front Desk Staff to....Place a Card IN THE HAND of EVERY Guest checking in? 1) MY program is totally FREE to them 2) MY program makes them appear.... "More Professional" and with the "Convenience" of their Guests...at Heart (Hey! Hotels/Motels are in the SERVICE business! They "serve" travelers. So...if they can provide MORE "Service" to their customers....does that make them appear "Better" or "worse") 3) MY program SAVES TIME of their Front Desk Staff...answering questions about...."Where To Eat, Where To Shop, What attractions are nearby.....Where to get ANY Service! "Guest Directories" have been around for MANY years. These are PRINTED Booklets... with many Pages full of Ads and Info about the LOCA area. These "printed" booklets are usually placed IN A DRAWER....waiting for the Room Guests to FIND THEM....then....because there are MANY PAGES... the Room Guests will NOT see ALL the ads unless they TURN THE PAGES! So....what I am doing is making it EASY for Travlers/Tourists....Visitors to the area....to FIND....Info THEY are interested in. Thus....when "I" talk to a Hotel/Motel Owner or GM....I talk in terms of "Stuff" that HE....is interested in...."Providing MORE service and convenience for his Guests AND....making it EASIER for his Staff! Thus....excuse me for seemingly "getting on my "High-Horse" but...."I Ben Dere n Done Dat"! And....maybe some of you can "GIT IT! Don Alm...off to sell another Hotel on participating |
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They get 500 subscribers their first month and we make sure they get as many of those 500 subscribers as possible signed up. We make sure they send out 2 powerful campaigns near the end of their 30 days and BOOM! Floods of business. Then it's them asking where do I sign up. We charge them $147/mo for their FREE mobile website hosting, 1000 SMS subscribers with unlimited text messages, and coupons etc. Prior to visiting we do build up a mock website to get them engaged a little faster. Our reps end up getting paid a nice monthly commission too as do our mobile website design staff. Mark... | |
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WOW!... you tried selling a marketing product to business owners and blatantly don't give a rats about them or it afterwards and it's NOT working out???? no....... You mean they want someone to actually provide VALUE?? holy crap bub, it's crazy out there!! Serious talk, it IS your attitude. Savvy business owners smell this crapola a mile away, Real b2b sales IS relationship building & your clients are seeing right through you. ALL you want to do is sell them something. Great. They know. & that's where your relationship has failed. You're selling something, not providing value BYE. BYE. |
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I would also add that if people are spending money on advertising... the price you quoted (350 a year - if you're emphasizing to them the ow monthly cost) is so low - and you're asking for it up front... There is a book called "Influence: Science & Practice." If you read the chapter on contrast/comparison you will see my point when I illustrate what I would be thinking if I were a business owner - and hearing (this is me reading between the lines of how you likely "pitched" them. "So this guy wants $350 bucks. why not collect it month to month - he is probably gonna disappear. Obviously if this is gonna bring me in sales - it would cost a lot more." he will not be thinking it but he will feel the following - this is too cheap to be of any value. My suggestion? (raise your prices, work on value comparisons, and make a friend. One time closes? They are not worth it. Not for them, not for you. I gotta give props on 30 days of poundin that pavement though. But your time invested/commited (read the commitment chapter in Influence) is causing you to defended your convoluted reality; ie - your identity is now shaped by your habits. 1st step to overcoming is to be aware.. Then after reading that chapter on contrast comparison scoot on over to the "liking: the friendly thief" chapter 5; Then invest in a sales course like "Unlock the Game by Ari Galper." Cuz your trained on selling that is a style from the 50's, which creates a lot of pressure, makes people lie to you, and is all about the numbers. Sorry that's just how it is. | |
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I see a lot of people talking about mobile directories but i haven't seen anyone explain how they get traffic to those directories?
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Nice post man! How did you create the Facebook fangating thing on your mobile website?
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Hold on to them and as moblie website traffic grows over the years you will be happy.
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I mean lets say you go ahead a build a mobile directory and have businesses listed in them. How do people even know it exists? How do they find it? Wouldnt we have to rank the directory in google or something as a regular website with a moblie version in order for mobile users to find it? Really confused about this. | |
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| "Yea I cannot agree with you more- this is exactly my sentiments. I mean lets say you go ahead a build a mobile directory and have businesses listed in them. How do people even know it exists? How do they find it? Wouldnt we have to rank the directory in google or something as a regular website with a moblie version in order for mobile users to find it? Really confused about this." Wow! I learned LOONG AGO, "YA CAIN'T SELL APPLES FROM AN EMPTY BASKET! Too bad most of you folks here didn't grow up when things were Tough! There's NO doubt...you WOULD understand exactly what I'm taking about! So....your question is...."HOW do people know IT exists? HOW do "they" find it?....question, question, etc, etc! HOGWASH! HOGWASH! HOGWASH! CREATE THE THING! Create the Directory! Put in a few "Sample" Sponsors (so future participants can see they will not be alone...and that there are sponsors ALREADY IN your Directory (NO one wants to be FIRST!) Then....you WILL be able to Add sponsors to your Directory. Then....when you get some actual Paying Sponsors....Go Back to your Sample Sponsors...show them the Paying Sponsors you now have and.....when they SEE the Sponsors you NOW have....they will have CONFIDENCE to "Join"! So....I'm sorry but....most of the folks viewing this will NOT have a clue as to what I'm talking. Don Alm.....trying to "educate" the NON-Sales people |
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I understand what you are saying about building up the directory and building up paid sponsors etc. I am just curious to know though- the businesses that do sign up as paid sponsors- will they not want to see some kind of return- ie people (potential customers looking at/searching the directory and making contact? I dont know if i am way off the mark or what but is not the point of the directory to have potential customers coming there and looking at the different business offerings? doesnt seem to make sense to me if the only people that know about and look at the directory are the businesses that have their listings in it. How would you bridge this gap and get actual people to know about it? | |
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Good info here. We tend to find our clients want/ need mobile sites because of user demand. They are not always need for every client but can't hurt either. SEO Las Vegas SEO Firm Las Vegas Internet Marketing Las Vegas |
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If the price is suitable with men's income, i think many people will want to own one. First of all you should verify mobile sites to everyone demand. Thanks! |
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Does anyone believe all the crap that gets posted in these here threads or is it that you just can't tell this is just their way to add to their leads sales funnel. When you go out to sell something just sell. Specially if you are a half decent sales person. If they don't buy then you are not selling the right things to the right crowds. My take on all of this is SIMPLE. Find something you can sell in your town, to your market. Even if it is titty pink gloves instead of mobile sites. I've gone to customers who I try to sell mobile or FB or any of the other fashionable online or offline services and end up picking up an order for something totally unrelated often times. If you keep listening and believing the crowd of un-inspired talk alike marketers in here trying to sell you or me something then you've already lost. Good luck and keep on selling JR |
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Hi Chris, I live in New Zealand so please don't see my request a potential threat to your local market but I read the following: "We sent out 15 test emails to businesses and got 4 immediate responses (all literally within 5 minutes, and all along the lines of... YES.. definitely or YES I've been looking for this) at $500 to set it up and $50/mo to maintain, with a one-year contract (all explained in the initial email). So I believe the market exists, you just have to find the right approach for your area and choose the right targets. Any chance I could get a copy of the test email you sent out for me to try with my local businesses? travis.mcdonogh at gmail com |
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We are small biz owners recently in market for regular website. Sorry but ongoing price way too high. Sell site design, then they can find hosting or have option of hosting w you. People don't like or want ongoing financial commitment. Plus just tonight I found template online for mobile site $10 a month, can be customized and didn't look too bad. I'm sure your custom work is far superior but not $29 a month forever superior. I'd always assume ongoing hosting is a scam...sorry
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A global survey shows that more than 50% of the surfing done was via mobile devices. No wonder the mobile sites are so hot. |
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