Offering FREE Mobile Sites

by midasman09 Banned
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Has anyone considered offering "FREE" Mobile Sites to biznesses, especially Restaurants?

I have a buddy who's offering FREE, 1-Page Websites with a $59/mo "Hosting/Maintenance" fee....which includes "Analytics-Stats" of how many visitors etc.

He now has over 100 biznesses paying him $59/mo!

So....I looked at DudaMobile and one of their services (for $9/mo) is;
"Stats on Site Usage, Tap To Call Conversions, Visitor Overview, Content Data, Traffic Sources and other Data Metrics!"

Now....one of the questions that comes up when talking about charging a "Monthly Fee" is....JUSTIFYING IT!

So....if you inform your Mobile Prospects that you will provide the above "Stats" on a regular Monthly Report....you CAN charge a Monthly Fee and....have it GLADLY ACCEPTED. (You don't have to use DudaMobile to provide this info. You can use Google Analytics)

So....back to my initial question;
"Has anyone considered offering "FREE" Mobile Sites to biznesses, especially Restaurants?".....BUT....charging a "justifiable" Monthly Fee?

I'm thinking that by offering "FREE" Mobile Sites....you can get Attention AND Mobile Sites much easier! If it only takes a few minutes to create a "Mobile" site....and you receive $59 a month, forever....could you sell 100 in a month or 2?

"$5,900" coming in every month! Works for me!

What say You?

Thank you,
Don Alm
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  • Profile picture of the author KingMedia
    Good idea as not all businesses are interested in "buying" a full blown mobile site.
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    • Profile picture of the author daveinva
      Don:

      I love the concept. We've been toying with the idea of going to a model like this as we're selling 'some' mobile sites for front end bucks ($297), but, can't flip them as fast as I'd like.

      That's my question...how long would it take to get to 100 sales, etc...

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  • Profile picture of the author nickhumph
    Midasman,

    How would you, or your friend do this?

    I mean do you build the websites first and then show the business owner?
    Or do you contact the business owner, and ASK if they would like a FREE mobile website? So that gets their curiosity going? And then hopefully get them agreeing to pay that monthly fee?

    I mean I really want to do this, but just trying to work out how this would work in the backend of it all.

    Thanks
    Nick
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    • Profile picture of the author rainingproblems
      Originally Posted by nickhumph View Post

      Midasman,

      How would you, or your friend do this?

      I mean do you build the websites first and then show the business owner?
      Or do you contact the business owner, and ASK if they would like a FREE mobile website? So that gets their curiosity going? And then hopefully get them agreeing to pay that monthly fee?

      I mean I really want to do this, but just trying to work out how this would work in the backend of it all.

      Thanks
      Nick
      Nick,I would think that to truly convince the business owner, you'd have to show him something he can actually see for himself. If you've had success with another owner, you could show this as an example and how it works.

      Whether you want to create the site depends on how much time you have on your hands too. Figuring that you'd have to talk to x owners before you get y sales, do you really one to do one for each owner before they accept? an example site would work in this case.

      If you do decide to make the free site, check out the main site and be sure it doesn't read "Duplication Prohibited" in the footer.
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  • Profile picture of the author GIahGroup
    I think anything offered for free is a good way in, its then simply a case of proving value to the business as most wont think twice for a $50 / mth subscription.
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    • Profile picture of the author seoking4
      Originally Posted by GIahGroup View Post

      I think anything offered for free is a good way in, its then simply a case of proving value to the business as most wont think twice for a $50 / mth subscription.
      Yes i am agree with you if anyone offered anything for free is good for you.You can do small business for free of cost ......
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
    Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

    So....back to my initial question;
    "Has anyone considered offering "FREE" Mobile Sites to biznesses, especially Restaurants?".....BUT....charging a "justifiable" Monthly Fee?
    I'm considering offering a free site for someone that signs up for me to manage their sms marketing services, but on it's own, I think $59 for hosting - even if you're doing some kind of ongoing maintenance for a one page site is outrageous.

    All they'd have to do is talk to one friend in the business who tells them they pay $6 a month to host a fully featured website and mobile website with hostgator, and I think any trust or goodwill you gained with them would go right out the window.

    That's just me though - your customers may certainly feel differently.

    Now I could see charging a more reasonable $20 - $30 fee that includes a quick update or two a month as long as your clients know they're paying that in lieu of a upfront design fee of a few hundred dollars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Meyowza
      I offer a free mobile landing page with my $99 SMS plan. It's not really a mobile version of the companies website and it's not meant to be found on google. I specifically designed them to be found in the real world through the use of QR Codes and SMS. My sites are designed to give the audience quick info on products or service and ways to connect.

      I would say this model is working well for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author serryjw
      Originally Posted by Steve Solem View Post

      I'm considering offering a free site for someone that signs up for me to manage their sms marketing services, but on it's own, I think $59 for hosting - even if you're doing some kind of ongoing maintenance for a one page site is outrageous.

      All they'd have to do is talk to one friend in the business who tells them they pay $6 a month to host a fully featured website and mobile website with hostgator, and I think any trust or goodwill you gained with them would go right out the window.

      That's just me though - your customers may certainly feel differently.

      Now I could see charging a more reasonable $20 - $30 fee that includes a quick update or two a month as long as your clients know they're paying that in lieu of a upfront design fee of a few hundred dollars.
      You and I think alike. That is exactly what I wanted to do...BUT as a newbie I have no idea HOW to do re-directs. HOW do you get access to their main website backdoor without the original designer finding out. I checked several hot nightclub locations and 7/7 where doing JUST a main website re-direct without ANY changes. They all looked horrible and un-readable. There is a HUGE market out there but the re-direct is frightening me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
        Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

        You and I think alike. That is exactly what I wanted to do...BUT as a newbie I have no idea HOW to do re-directs. HOW do you get access to their main website backdoor without the original designer finding out. I checked several hot nightclub locations and 7/7 where doing JUST a main website re-direct without ANY changes. They all looked horrible and un-readable. There is a HUGE market out there but the re-direct is frightening me.
        You'd be surprised how many web designers have moved on once designing a site for someone or dont have a clue about mobile - so if you have a prospect interested in a mobile site just ask if they know the login info for their hosting account or if they can get it from their web designer.

        Worry about it if you contact 7 prospects and all 7 say they can't get you their login info or their web designer won't give it up - but there's no need to worry if you don't know for sure that's the case.
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        • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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          "I'm considering offering a free site for someone that signs up for me to manage their sms marketing services, but on it's own, I think $59 for hosting - even if you're doing some kind of ongoing maintenance for a one page site is outrageous"...Steve Solem"

          OK! What if I place a Special Card IN....500 hotel rooms....in a Town and on this Card is a "QR Code" and URL of a Mobile Directory (so there's 2 ways to see the Mobi-Directory)

          These Cards cost me $2ea....so....my cost would be $1000 (Cost is nil using WillR or Quentin's programs....and I'd only create 1-page sites for participating biznesses. Only takes about 15 min ea)

          So....let's say I charge $99 setup and $59/mo to have access to 500 Travelers/Tourists! every month....not including LOCAL Residents that would see my Ads around town.

          50 participants = $5,000 initially and $2,950 a Month!

          In fact....I'd bet they'd pay $79/mo to be IN 500 rms!

          Don Alm
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          • Profile picture of the author nickhumph
            Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

            "I'm considering offering a free site for someone that signs up for me to manage their sms marketing services, but on it's own, I think $59 for hosting - even if you're doing some kind of ongoing maintenance for a one page site is outrageous"...Steve Solem"

            OK! What if I place a Special Card IN....500 hotel rooms....in a Town and on this Card is a "QR Code" and URL of a Mobile Directory (so there's 2 ways to see the Mobi-Directory)

            These Cards cost me $2ea....so....my cost would be $1000 (Cost is nil using WillR or Quentin's programs....and I'd only create 1-page sites for participating biznesses. Only takes about 15 min ea)

            So....let's say I charge $99 setup and $59/mo to have access to 500 Travelers/Tourists! every month....not including LOCAL Residents that would see my Ads around town.

            50 participants = $5,000 initially and $2,950 a Month!

            In fact....I'd bet they'd pay $79/mo to be IN 500 rms!

            Don Alm
            What if the hotel owners didn't want you to set up a mobile directory for them? It could be a negative experience for them? Let's say the hotel had a resturant and then this mobile directory if it was choc-full of resturants for example, the hotel would lose money.
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            • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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              What if the hotel owners didn't want you to set up a mobile directory for them? It could be a negative experience for them? Let's say the hotel had a resturant and then this mobile directory if it was choc-full of resturants for example, the hotel would lose money.

              Wow! 2 Negs! What if there IS A WAY....to get hotel owners to EAGERLY allow little ol' ME to put something IN ALL THEIR ROOMS?

              And...

              What if little ol' ME could place something IN THEIR ROOMS....that has.... whoops....careful now....here it comes.....that has "COMPETING RESTAURANTS in it"?

              I now have 14 Hotels (that have their own, ON PREMISE, restaurants... and My Promo Stuff, WITH OTHER RESTAURANTS.... IN ALL THEIR ROOMS!

              Maybe you should consider NOT being an "Entroopeneer"!

              I learned LONG AGO that...."Ya NEVER Know, UNLESS ya TRY!"

              And....it's also called, "PAYING YOUR DUES"!

              With MOST ALL of my Promo Stuff...whenever I ran into a Problemo...I relentlessly ATTACKED the Problemo....UNTIL I found the Answer!

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              • Profile picture of the author Jodik
                Do the Hotels charge you? What is the hotels interest? Is it to offer more to the guest or do they get something?

                Also to the poster who said he sold thru a pizza shop and got 2 sites to do - What price did you get for these two new sites?
                Really want to compete but really stuck on pricing.
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            • Profile picture of the author MobileDave
              Originally Posted by nickhumph View Post

              What if the hotel owners didn't want you to set up a mobile directory for them? It could be a negative experience for them? Let's say the hotel had a resturant and then this mobile directory if it was choc-full of resturants for example, the hotel would lose money.
              A lot of hotels have directories of local businesses in them, QR makes the idea far more useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    The idea has potential. If you have some other related service and you can throw a free mobile website version with it, you can have a killer at your hands.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    I am thinking of adding on Google Analytics along with a tracking number so I can send them monthly reports for traffic/incoming calls/conversion. You can get a tracking number for $5/mo and I think this would add great value.

    It would also help down the road selling mobile sites as you could say, "Joe, at the pizza shop is averaging 50 visitors/mo with 15 of those turning into phone calls. A 30% conversion rate that he probably was not getting with his non-mobile site"

    I would like to see the numbers myself actually. I had a personal injury attorney client get a case from the new mobile site about 2 weeks after we launched it. He was thrilled and I am willing to bet that case covered the cost(investment) of the site.

    Anyone offering call tracking & Google Analytics on mobile sites?

    Could anyone throw out a fair monthly fee?

    I was thinking $30-50 along with the hosting/updates
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    • Profile picture of the author rlhurst
      Originally Posted by nickhumph View Post

      Can someone please answer my previous question
      Nick, I created a site for a pizza place, complete with menu/prices, tap-to-call button, get directions button, etc. I then went inside to order.
      When the gal at the counter asked what I would like, I showed her my phone and pointed at the item. She thought it was pretty cool and called the owner out from the back. I offered to give him the site in exchange for letting me put a plastic stand on his counter with a qr code leading to the site. Of course, I had my business name on there since it's a high traffic place.

      Now, although I did not get paid for that site, it has led to 2 others that I have gotten paid for. Plus, the owner has given me a couple of pizzas in exchange for updating the site.

      This isn't just "theory"... it actually happned. So, get out there and make things happen!!
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      • Profile picture of the author nickhumph
        Originally Posted by rlhurst View Post

        Nick, I created a site for a pizza place, complete with menu/prices, tap-to-call button, get directions button, etc. I then went inside to order.
        When the gal at the counter asked what I would like, I showed her my phone and pointed at the item. She thought it was pretty cool and called the owner out from the back. I offered to give him the site in exchange for letting me put a plastic stand on his counter with a qr code leading to the site. Of course, I had my business name on there since it's a high traffic place.

        Now, although I did not get paid for that site, it has led to 2 others that I have gotten paid for. Plus, the owner has given me a couple of pizzas in exchange for updating the site.

        This isn't just "theory"... it actually happned. So, get out there and make things happen!!
        Thanks! So I guess you take a little bit of a risk creating the sites beforehand - but if you amaze them with their business on a mobile already then you're like already halfway over to getting what you want!

        hmm nice
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        • Profile picture of the author BizGrabbers
          Originally Posted by nickhumph View Post

          Thanks! So I guess you take a little bit of a risk creating the sites beforehand - but if you amaze them with their business on a mobile already then you're like already halfway over to getting what you want!

          hmm nice
          Personally, I think that if you're going to build a mobile site to demo to a prospect, do no more than two pages of his site and tell him that you can finish it if he wants you to. That way, you're limiting the time you're building sites to demo.
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    No will not give away free sites, i have a policy not to work for free, and also i don't feel a lot for justifying a monthly fee...

    The days that business owners where ignorant about the internet are long gone, and they do know what Google analytics is, and they know the price of average hostings plans.... So it will look like you wanna take them for a ride... Din't think that business owners don't check prizes after you have given them your quote.

    I will sell them a mobile site for cheap (like a one time $99-) and then upsell them into my Google Places/SEO plan. instead of trying to squeeze out a monthly payment for hosting or updates or something...
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    • Profile picture of the author nickhumph
      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      No will not give away free sites, i have a policy not to work for free, and also i don't feel a lot for justifying a monthly fee...

      The days that business owners where ignorant about the internet are long gone, and they do know what Google analytics is, and they know the price of average hostings plans.... So it will look like you wanna take them for a ride... Din't think that business owners don't check prizes after you have given them your quote.

      I will sell them a mobile site for cheap (like a one time $99-) and then upsell them into my Google Places/SEO plan. instead of trying to squeeze out a monthly payment for hosting or updates or something...
      but you sort of do create free mobile sites? I mean with your postcard method, sending 10-15 businesses postcards, etc. You are still technically 'working for free' until you get a sale..

      sorry I thought it was a bit ironic because i always read your other posts
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    • Profile picture of the author HypeText
      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      No will not give away free sites, i have a policy not to work for free, and also i don't feel a lot for justifying a monthly fee...

      The days that business owners where ignorant about the internet are long gone, and they do know what Google analytics is, and they know the price of average hostings plans.... So it will look like you wanna take them for a ride... Din't think that business owners don't check prizes after you have given them your quote.

      I will sell them a mobile site for cheap (like a one time $99-) and then upsell them into my Google Places/SEO plan. instead of trying to squeeze out a monthly payment for hosting or updates or something...
      At $59 a month this isnt giving away the site for free, rather it is more akin to financing the site.

      $59.00 X 12 = $708

      Would you sell a Mobile site for $708? I know I would!
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      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
        Originally Posted by HypeText View Post

        At $59 a month this isnt giving away the site for free, rather it is more akin to financing the site.

        $59.00 X 12 = $708

        Would you sell a Mobile site for $708? I know I would!
        Well i have tried to go that route when i started out, but business owners where just not interested in extra monthly cost and i don't know how it is where you life, but here in Holland business owners know what is out there and know the price of hosting and such and they will never hire/lease a mobile site....

        So for me the best way to do it is to sell these babies cheap (note not for free) and upsell them other high ticket services...

        I guess there are many ways to skin a elephant
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        • Profile picture of the author HypeText
          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          Well i have tried to go that route when i started out, but business owners where just not interested in extra monthly cost and i don't know how it is where you life, but here in Holland business owners know what is out there and know the price of hosting and such and they will never hire/lease a mobile site....

          So for me the best way to do it is to sell these babies cheap (note not for free) and upsell them other high ticket services...

          I guess there are many ways to skin a elephant
          I am sure things are a bit different there...and you are right, its simply a Pricing strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    Again where do you get the traffic for a mobile directory... that will only work if you have a "normal' directory to go with it... you can offer them a free placement in a empty site... What good will that do?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dupois
    How can you charge for 'hosting and maintenance' when the new mobile website is put on a subdomain - ie m.domainname.com and attached to the client's pre-existing website? I'm assuming you can't. Whoever developed the client's main website will let them know pretty quickly that there are no extra hosting fees involved with a sub-domain.

    Presumably you guys are only charging hosting and maintenance for a mobi extension site? I'm not keen on these - on the one hand I'm reading that the jury's out on which is better, but on the other hand I'm reading that there are real SEO benefits going with the sub-domain option. Additionally, the vast majority of the world's top companies are using the m.domain version so that, in and of itself, has led me to the conclusion that the mobi extension sites are inferior. It's not going to take clients too long to hear that mobi is unnecessary if they have an existing site is it? Then how good do you look?
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  • Profile picture of the author WayneMoore
    I think some people need to stop being so negative here and questioning a business model that DOES work- without a question.. Anyone here read John Durhams 'Bower Method' It is EXCLUSIVELY about selling sites for free with a monthly fee... LOADS of people make great money with this model.

    Those of you that said 'no one will pay $59 for hosting'

    Guess what? You're right! I wouldn't... But i sell benefits- not features... so I am not telling prospects I will sell them hosting for $59 that there is no cost to..

    I am saying:

    "What we can do for you is provide a mobile website- totally free of charge to you, so we're waivering the $499 design and install cost- we will still design and fully install your site. Then for just $59 per month we will do any required updates, send you monthly tracking reports- and you'll even get FREE subscription to our monthly marketing newsletter- showing you innovative, and often free ways, to get more customers through the door! How does that sound?"

    I think you'll agree that's a DAMN good offer...lol If they decline simply go down the route of- and are you spending much money in conventional advertising at the moment? What's your ROI? How much would you say your AVERAGE customer is worth over the year?

    So based on that if we got you just 20 customers extra over the year (less than 2 a month) you think that's worth $2 per day??

    BOOOM! There we have it! HAHA...
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    • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
      A lot of you people think that business owners are still retarded when it comes to online marketing an websites and stuff....

      People know that you can have a website with hosting up and running for less then $10- a month, and there you have also stats and stuff like that... it isn't 2003 anymore, that was the time that business owners indeed where clueless, those days are long gone.


      Originally Posted by WayneMoore View Post

      I think some people need to stop being so negative here and questioning a business model that DOES work- without a question.. Anyone here read John Durhams 'Bower Method' It is EXCLUSIVELY about selling sites for free with a monthly fee... LOADS of people make great money with this model.

      Those of you that said 'no one will pay $59 for hosting'

      Guess what? You're right! I wouldn't... But i sell benefits- not features... so I am not telling prospects I will sell them hosting for $59 that there is no cost to..

      I am saying:

      "What we can do for you is provide a mobile website- totally free of charge to you, so we're waivering the $499 design and install cost- we will still design and fully install your site. Then for just $59 per month we will do any required updates, send you monthly tracking reports- and you'll even get FREE subscription to our monthly marketing newsletter- showing you innovative, and often free ways, to get more customers through the door! How does that sound?"

      I think you'll agree that's a DAMN good offer...lol If they decline simply go down the route of- and are you spending much money in conventional advertising at the moment? What's your ROI? How much would you say your AVERAGE customer is worth over the year?

      So based on that if we got you just 20 customers extra over the year (less than 2 a month) you think that's worth $2 per day??

      BOOOM! There we have it! HAHA...
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      • Profile picture of the author mmsearch
        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        A lot of you people think that business owners are still retarded when it comes to online marketing an websites and stuff....

        People know that you can have a website with hosting up and running for less then $10- a month, and there you have also stats and stuff like that... it isn't 2003 anymore, that was the time that business owners indeed where clueless, those days are long gone.
        I think in alot of cases that this is true- especially in larger urban areas.

        However, in the town I live in (pop 120 000) I can assure you that business owners here are in the dark ages when it comes to websites, seo, google places and such.
        I guarantee that most dont even know what seo means, know nothing about mobile marketing, mobile websites and on and on. The majority of them probably paid on of the local firms a couple grand to design their website for them and basically handed them the keys to it and pay them to add what they want. LOL they probably dont even know how to log into their own site if they had to.

        In addition, I have found only ONE business in town that has a mobile friendly version of their site and NO ONE here is providing this service. I highly doubt that the service providers who build websites for companies around here even know how to create mobile sites at this time.

        It's actually a little laughable looking at some website providers and their work in my town- the sites they are building look like circa 2000 or something lol.

        And I know the ones that are actually building decent sites using wordpress etc are charging an arm and a leg for them.

        Anyway, i plan on offering this service here in my town and perhaps adding website design/website upgrading as a lot of the websites I see around these parts are downright horrendous.

        Which leads me to the idea of monthly hosting/maintenance fees. We have all heard the stories of people who offered to build regular websites for companies for ultra cheap only to then find that the client they are working with wants the moon and stars thrown in in terms of changing designs, constant updates etc.

        I dont think that it would be much different for mobile sites. A lot of clients will want ongoing maintenance and changes made to their sites.
        Therefore, I dont see why I should not charge say 30 bucks a month or whatever for hosting/stats/1 or 2 updates/changes a month.

        I would charge even more if they want extra pages added or more than 2 changes a month.

        I mean, these are businesses that right now are paying like a couple grand a month to have a full page ad in my local yellow pages.

        To make a long story short, I think my plan will be to sell the intial mobile website in the 300 dollar range and charge in the 30 dollar a month range for maintenance/stats/updates.
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      • Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        A lot of you people think that business owners are still retarded when it comes to online marketing an websites and stuff....

        People know that you can have a website with hosting up and running for less then $10- a month, and there you have also stats and stuff like that... it isn't 2003 anymore, that was the time that business owners indeed where clueless, those days are long gone.
        I think what Don & others are trying to get across to you & believe you me, I was having a hard time learning this as well...They're paying you for your expertise, your knowledge, you're consulting advice, & of course the LABOR that it takes to do this. Just because you know this stuff like the back of your hand, & they know how much Hosting is, doesn't mean that you can't charge them a fair amount for your time & years+ invested in knowledge & technology.
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        • Profile picture of the author MobileDave
          Originally Posted by TribalStyleMarketing View Post

          I think what Don & others are trying to get across to you & believe you me, I was having a hard time learning this as well...They're paying you for your expertise, your knowledge, you're consulting advice, & of course the LABOR that it takes to do this. Just because you know this stuff like the back of your hand, & they know how much Hosting is, doesn't mean that you can't charge them a fair amount for your time & years+ invested in knowledge & technology.
          Yes and no. What they are really paying for is RESULTS. How much hosting costs doesn't really matter to a business, neither does your expertise, knowledge, consulting advice, or labor. What matters to them is results, more paying customers and profit for their business. If what you do for a client brings them that they will be happy, if not they won't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
    I've run some numbers, and, quantitatively, this works.

    Compared to a flat initial fee of $297 you make 29% more per year at a $59 per month maintenance fee and $0 up front.

    You make less per month until month 6, when you start to make more off your residuals. At $397 you make 3% less this way, and at $497 you make 22% less per year on the monthly, but I suspect sites will go a lot faster at $0 up front with a $59 a month maintenance cost.

    Good suggestion!
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  • Profile picture of the author johan75
    WOw that is awesome idea. i am interested in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    I think most people are concentrating too much on how expensive the
    hosting is compared to other packages. I would concentrate on adding
    value instead.

    Why not build a mobile directory that you host? Over time this directory
    could become an authority site, attracting more search engine traffic. If
    you promote your directories properly, you'll have clients lining up, two
    abreast, just to get their free sites. In addition to this, you could build
    single directory pages based on keywords and rent the press to call
    button.

    I would then use software that allows clients to make any changes they
    want to their mobile sites, including adding new pages. I have no affiliation
    with the software below selling on eBay, and I've not used it, so this isn't
    a personal recommendation. Having access to this software alone would be
    enough to charge a high price for hosting. Imagine the power if you
    installed a simple script that logged every press to call. You could then
    send a monthly report to each client justifying their investment, and subtle
    marketing messages for your other services.

    Work from home create your own highly profitable business selling mobile website | eBay

    here's somebody working this exact market, selling on eBay
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Create-Mob...item27bdb78b52

    HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author BrandyM
    I have offered free mobile websites and in this one particular niche they were eager to get a free website but when it came down to the monthly charge they weren't interested. I was offering $50 a month. I only tested the theory in one niche and I justified the costs based on hosting fees, updates, etc and they weren't interested after that. I've been on this forum for awhile and reading everything on mobile marketing and I have done some cold calling and emailing. What I've found is that they usually don't care about the technology or analytics they just want it to bring in customers. But that's cool that your buddy has 100 clients! I hope to one day be there!
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  • Profile picture of the author redlegrich
    You could easily add a tracking number to the mobile site. Twilio numbers are a buck a whack and a penny a minute. A small hit to your GM$s but a real value to the client.

    I also disagree that business owners are all savvy to the Internet. Most of them do not know a darn thing about this. Plenty do of course, they are not a target market for this.

    Businesses just want leads, if you deliver them they will be happy to pay $59, or more for a mobile site.
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    • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
      Originally Posted by redlegrich View Post


      I also disagree that business owners are all savvy to the Internet. Most of them do not know a darn thing about this. Plenty do of course, they are not a target market for this.
      I can not disagree more with this then i do right now... i speak business owners on a daily basis and 80% knows what's up... and even when they didn't don't you think they know how to use Google by now... They will check you and the service you offer out and compare them with others... but he... if you can make your money that way... have at it..
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        I can not disagree more with this then i do right now... i speak business owners on a daily basis and 80% knows what's up... and even when they didn't don't you think they know how to use Google by now... They will check you and the service you offer out and compare them with others... but he... if you can make your money that way... have at it..
        Some may shop you around, and that's fine. If someone wants to get a service.based on price alone, you're fighting an uphill battle from the beginning. Provide value and help a business owner increase their.profits by way more than your charge, and they have no reason to shop you or drop you.

        One thing that people don't understand is that by going this route, you are NOT charging a "hosting charge" alone, you're charging for maintenance, but you're also basically financing.the cost of a site for someone.

        I've rarely met anyone outside of this forum who can tell me how much their GoDaddy hosting (which most people use) costs.

        It goes beyond price alone to the value you deliver.

        If you need a lawn service to maintain your lawn, you understand that having your lawn look great all the time is the benefit to you, and that goes beyond the cost of gas and labor to the guys who actually did the work.

        You basically are paid for results and convenience.
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      • Profile picture of the author DougPage
        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        I can not disagree more with this then i do right now... i speak business owners on a daily basis and 80% knows what's up... and even when they didn't don't you think they know how to use Google by now... They will check you and the service you offer out and compare them with others... but he... if you can make your money that way... have at it..
        I think you need to get past just looking at costs because they are mostly irrelevant and just stop you from trying. It helps eliminate the bad from the good. What is important, as many have already said, is what you bring to the table. Don Alm has been making posts like this many times and does a great job at trying to get people to wake up and look at things differently. It's a free WSO just to do searches on his threads.

        Frankly, I don't want clients that are just going to be looking at costs and holding me to the fire. They are not long term clients and I want the recurring to keep coming. So I wouldn't waste my time with them. I want clients that want to spend their time doing what makes them money and letting someone else offer ideas and implement them to ADD to his revenue stream. And as Daniel said, if the incoming outweighs the out going, you both win - and that is the most important thing to happen in every relationship! You then become a TEAM. Team members rely on one another!

        What are things that I can think I would offer to someone with a free website design after looking at this thread for the past few minutes:

        1. Some keyword analysis and suggestions as most local clinets don't even know what this is (gee why didn't the guy that did their main site talk about this)
        2. Free website design and installation with "correct" redirection methods.
        3. Analytics to see what is happening on your site.
        4. An analytics on "Tap To Call" to let them know how many phone calls have come to them from this site.
        5. Squeeze Page to build an email list for advertising. (setup MailChimp-free)
        6. Offer to put a squeeze page on main site to increase email address capture (chargeable)
        7. Mail blasts with above lists
        8. 1/2 hour of site changes per month. Charge for additional.
        9. Intro SMS services to client where it fits - Potential new business
        10. Setup Local Business Directory and Mobile Directory. They are included for free and bothsites could help bring you more traffic and business.
        11. Make suggestions along the way that improves their main site (on a charge basis)

        And, of course, they are getting your marketing expertise thrown in to the deal!

        All this for $60/mo. Pretty damn cheap if you ask me. Might actually have to charge more.

        Now if I was just looking for a quick score, not wanting to help my clients increase their business, not be able to offer my marketing skills, not keep in constant contact with the client to see what new things they are planning and just generally not care about them once I got their money, then I might be worried about trying this because I wouldn't be offering $60/mo worth of service. However, that list above is worth way more.

        Another great post by Don Alm!
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        • Profile picture of the author carmack
          Originally Posted by DougPage View Post

          4. An analytics on "Tap To Call" to let them know how many phone calls have come to them from this site.
          Doug - I would love to know how to do this. Can you tell me how you set up analytics on the tap to call?
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          • Profile picture of the author DougPage
            Originally Posted by carmack View Post

            Doug - I would love to know how to do this. Can you tell me how you set up analytics on the tap to call?
            There are coding ways to do this but somewhat more complicated. The simplest way is to get a tracking number and hide it with the Tap To Call image. It will be immediately forwarded to the correct number and all analytics are done by the company providing you with the tracking number. Lots of companies out there offering tracking numbers. Just have to find one that suits your needs for analytics and cost. Ususally anywhere from $1/mo to $5/mo.
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          • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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            Here's some add'l info on this Topic;

            1) Create a "Mobile Directory" for a Town showing Categories of;
            Where To Eat - Where To Shop - Attractions - Services (In the Where To Eat category, include Food Categories in alphabetical order; American - BBQ - Chinese - Italian etc)

            2) Provide ONE Page for each biz (Logo or Photo at top of page - Paragraph about the biz - Address, Phone - Tap To Call button - MAP

            3) Place a Display Stand on the Front Desk of every Hotel/Motel with a QR Code (and URL to the Directory) (Every Hotel/Motel should allow because you are providing them with a Convenience at NO charge)

            4) You will also place Ads in local papers and a sign for each participant to put in their biz (on the back of their cash register or in window)

            ...all for just $59 a Month!

            Now....if restaurants want to add their Breakfast, Lunch or Dinner Menus....= extra fee.

            If they want their own Full-Fledged Mobile Site with a Re-Direct on their regular website....= extra fee....etc

            Don Alm

            Also....one town I'm working has 3 Theatres that people from hundreds of miles away, come to. As a convenience for Theatre Goers....the Theatres offer a QR Code to MY Diretory...so their Ticket Holders can easily find "Where To Eat...etc"....In Fact....because MOST theatre goers are coming a long distance so....I will include "Where To Stay"...with local Hotels/Motels PAYING to be included! (a LOT more than $59/mo since the average Hotel/Motel room rate is over $100 per night)

            Also....I'm using Quentin's script for this (WillR's can be used as well)
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
              Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

              Here's some add'l info on this Topic;

              1) Create a "Mobile Directory" for a Town showing Categories of;
              Where To Eat - Where To Shop - Attractions - Services (In the Where To Eat category, include Food Categories in alphabetical order; American - BBQ - Chinese - Italian etc)

              2) Provide ONE Page for each biz (Logo or Photo at top of page - Paragraph about the biz - Address, Phone - Tap To Call button - MAP

              3) Place a Display Stand on the Front Desk of every Hotel/Motel with a QR Code (and URL to the Directory) (Every Hotel/Motel should allow because you are providing them with a Convenience at NO charge)

              4) You will also place Ads in local papers and a sign for each participant to put in their biz (on the back of their cash register or in window)

              ...all for just $59 a Month!

              Now....if restaurants want to add their Breakfast, Lunch or Dinner Menus....= extra fee.

              If they want their own Full-Fledged Mobile Site with a Re-Direct on their regular website....= extra fee....etc

              Don Alm

              Also....one town I'm working has 3 Theatres that people from hundreds of miles away, come to. As a convenience for Theatre Goers....the Theatres offer a QR Code to MY Diretory...so their Ticket Holders can easily find "Where To Eat...etc"....In Fact....because MOST theatre goers are coming a long distance so....I will include "Where To Stay"...with local Hotels/Motels PAYING to be included! (a LOT more than $59/mo since the average Hotel/Motel room rate is over $100 per night)

              Also....I'm using Quentin's script for this (WillR's can be used as well)
              Man, I think I had a light bulb moment about this whole method after reading this post from you!!

              I was driving myself goofy trying to figure out how you did the directory, because I was thinking about it wrong. I was thinking this was a MAJOR mobile directory, like something that pulls data from yp.com or something, and had a ton of local restaurants. But I think I finally got it now - it's not that at all! It's more of an exclusive directory of the activities and restaurants that one hotel recommends, so it would be much smaller than one of the big directory sites.

              So, you could name the site something like: joeshotelrecommends.mobi or something like that, get recommendations for great restaurants and local activities from THAT hotel (which many may have an old print directory), and build out your mobile directory just like you described in your post.

              You're not trying to, as the old joke goes, run down the hill to get one cow, you're walking to get them all! By being more exclusive and sort of targeted to each hotel, you control what you do on your end building the site, you keep the hotel happy because you show just what they recommend, guests love it because EVERYONE has a smartphone these days, and the local businesses love it.

              I think I got it!!

              Here's a thought I had in addition to doing this at apartments - put beneath the QR code to go to X website (use your favorite) to get a FREE QR code scanner.

              Am I on the right track here, midasman?
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              • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                Originally Posted by Daniel LaRusso View Post

                Man, I think I had a light bulb moment about this whole method after reading this post from you!!

                I was driving myself goofy trying to figure out how you did the directory, because I was thinking about it wrong. I was thinking this was a MAJOR mobile directory, like something that pulls data from yp.com or something, and had a ton of local restaurants. But I think I finally got it now - it's not that at all! It's more of an exclusive directory of the activities and restaurants that one hotel recommends, so it would be much smaller than one of the big directory sites.

                So, you could name the site something like: joeshotelrecommends.mobi or something like that, get recommendations for great restaurants and local activities from THAT hotel (which many may have an old print directory), and build out your mobile directory just like you described in your post.

                You're not trying to, as the old joke goes, run down the hill to get one cow, you're walking to get them all! By being more exclusive and sort of targeted to each hotel, you control what you do on your end building the site, you keep the hotel happy because you show just what they recommend, guests love it because EVERYONE has a smartphone these days, and the local businesses love it.

                I think I got it!!

                Here's a thought I had in addition to doing this at apartments - put beneath the QR code to go to X website (use your favorite) to get a FREE QR code scanner.

                Am I on the right track here, midasman?
                And how are you going to get people into your mobile directory? without traffic in your directory what is a place in there worth?

                Placing a ad alone is not going to work to get traffic and i highly doubt hotels and restaurants are ok with you promoting their clients with other establishments...

                So how are people going to find your mobile directory?
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                • Profile picture of the author Mobilize
                  Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                  And how are you going to get people into your mobile directory? without traffic in your directory what is a place in there worth?

                  Placing a ad alone is not going to work to get traffic and i highly doubt hotels and restaurants are ok with you promoting their clients with other establishments...

                  So how are people going to find your mobile directory?
                  You don't have to get ranked in Google or do SEO to get found.
                  You're only targeting hotel guests and they find your site on the front desk when they check in, door swipe envelopes or in the hotel room.
                  Offer the hotel freebies, SEO, mobisite or optimize their GP listing and they might let you do it.
                  It's a win-win situation. Actually make that 4XWin, hotel, guest, you and biz in your directory, all win.

                  That's what I understand from Don's post, but I could be wrong.
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                  • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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                    OK....do what I always do; Put Yourself INTO the "body" of your "Target Market"!

                    With this "Town Mobile Directory"....my best clients for this are "Restaurants". Resturants best customers are....people looking for a place to eat...ON THEIR PHONES!

                    If I'm planning on staying in town for a day or 2....WHAT....will I look for on my Phone?....to find a Place To Eat (aka Restaurant)

                    So....I can type in;
                    "Restaurant in Town"
                    "Restaurants in Town"
                    "Restaurant in Town State"
                    "Restaurants in Town State
                    "Restaurant Town"
                    "Restaurants Town"
                    "Restaurant Town State"
                    "Town Restaurant"
                    "Town Restaurants"
                    "Town State Restaurant"
                    "Town State Restaurants"

                    You can either use the 2-digit abbreviation for the state. In Oregon it's "OR"....or the full name of the State (although I don't think many people will spell out "Massachusetts")

                    So....I go to my handy dandy "Domain Available Finder" (www.BustAName.com) and type in all the above possibilities.

                    I list the ones that are Available.

                    Then I go to the Google Adwords Tool and enter in those I found that are available and....list their Search Numbers.

                    I then Grab 2 or 3 or more of those names and make a Town Directory website...listing Categories (Where To Eat - Where To Shop - Where To Stay - Attractions - Services)....and....I then make a "Mobile" site demo (I'll put in a few Demo biznesses)....WITH a _Re-Direct Script to the Mobile Site (This is designed for people who are USING THEIR PHONES! Like "Tourists" or "Travelers"!)

                    So....here comes a couple driving down the expy into town. The wife types in "Restaurants In Town" (Or, "Restaurants In Town State" etc! You have the Search Numbers. She could be typing in ANY of the above URLS)

                    So....she picks one of OUR Domains and Whammo-Bammo....the re-direct script send her to OUR MOBILE SITE....where she can SEE the biznesses we got to participate.

                    Now....I just go by the "Numbers" the Google Tool tells me. I do some SEO and backlinks HOWEVER....I don't really need to because I KNOW how many searches there are for each Domain (Or....just ONE Domain)

                    I also place QR Codes on signs on cash registers and on hotel/motel desks.

                    Again.....THIS "Town Mobile Directory" is primarily for "Tourists/Travelers"!

                    Re: Hotels/Motels; Grab a couple of domains for "Hotels/Motels";

                    "Hotels in Town State"...etc

                    So...what you are "selling" is a MOBILE WEBSITE that can be found with various URLs.

                    Don Alm

                    "Restaurants Town State"
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                  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                    Originally Posted by BlueStreak View Post

                    You don't have to get ranked in Google or do SEO to get found.
                    You're only targeting hotel guests and they find your site on the front desk when they check in, door swipe envelopes or in the hotel room.
                    Offer the hotel freebies, SEO, mobisite or optimize their GP listing and they might let you do it.
                    It's a win-win situation. Actually make that 4XWin, hotel, guest, you and biz in your directory, all win.

                    That's what I understand from Don's post, but I could be wrong.
                    I don't think this is going to work at all, as there isn't any traffic in those directories, even if (and this is a big IF) you get permission to promote your directory the traffic that would come from that is so small that selling spots in there would just be a waste of money for any businesses owner.

                    No website can do without traffic, period.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Adwizard
                      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                      I don't think this is going to work at all, as there isn't any traffic in those directories, even if (and this is a big IF) you get permission to promote your directory the traffic that would come from that is so small that selling spots in there would just be a waste of money for any businesses owner.

                      No website can do without traffic, period.


                      I think the key here that your missing is that while there may not be tons of traffic it will be very targeted and captured traffic... tourists whom are swayed by nothing else. I would prefer the lesser traffic but more captured any day. Just like marketing sales... would you rather go out and randomly call on 20 prospects per day to make 4 sales or qualify your prospects first eliminating half of them, then go out and give 10 presentations to make the same 4 sales? I personally prefer the captive audience.

                      Just my 2 cents,
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                      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                        Originally Posted by Adwizard View Post

                        I think the key here that your missing is that while there may not be tons of traffic it will be very targeted and captured traffic... tourists whom are swayed by nothing else. I would prefer the lesser traffic but more captured any day. Just like marketing sales... would you rather go out and randomly call on 20 prospects per day to make 4 sales or qualify your prospects first eliminating half of them, then go out and give 10 presentations to make the same 4 sales? I personally prefer the captive audience.

                        Just my 2 cents,
                        Ed
                        I am not missing that, but there are so many hooks on this that you can't sell spots to your clients, first i don't think hostels are going to let you promote a directory filled with their competitors in their hotel...

                        It just doesn't make sense at all... Sure, people gotta eat, but 9 out of 10 hotels have their own restaurant, do you really think they will let you promote other restaurants in their hotel, to their customers... really?

                        And even if you get some hotel owner as nuts as he would promote your directory the amount of people using your directory is so low that you can't justify any cost at all to business owners when it comes to selling spots... you can but your clients will be pissed of at you when they find out your directory is bullcrap...

                        I hate to burst the bubbles here, but building a mobile directory will be a waste of time and money simple because you don't have visitors, and again without traffic your site is useless. in theory it sounds like a good idea but if you think a bit more about it you will see the many complications like having no traffic.

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                        • Profile picture of the author DougPage
                          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                          I hate to burst the bubbles here, but building a mobile directory will be a waste of time and money simple because you don't have visitors, and again without traffic your site is useless. in theory it sounds like a good idea but if you think a bit more about it you will see the many complications like having no traffic.
                          The OP has been making LOTS of money this way for years. If you search for his threads you will see how often he has mentioned what it is he does. Don brings up these ideas here to give others things to think about. You've made your point that you won't be using this idea. The whole method presented gives people lots to ponder by someone who has proved it works.
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                          • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                            Originally Posted by DougPage View Post

                            The OP has been making LOTS of money this way for years. If you search for his threads you will see how often he has mentioned what it is he does. Don brings up these ideas here to give others things to think about. You've made your point that you won't be using this idea. The whole method presented gives people lots to ponder by someone who has proved it works.
                            I really don't give a hoeha about how much money the OP has sad he made, i tend not to belief virtual people... and the last time i checked this was a public forum where people could discus various topics... and i post within the rules of WF.

                            If you don't like what i have to say because you cant stand that someone criticize or has second thought on one of your guru's method, then you're free to take it up with the mods...

                            Have a good one.

                            Dave
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                            • Profile picture of the author peter_act
                              Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post


                              If you don't like what i have to say because you cant stand that someone criticize or has second thought on one of your guru's method, then you're free to take it up with the mods...

                              Have a good one.

                              Dave
                              Anyone heard of the mythical "Mrs. Yebbut"?
                              Years ago, Ray Kroc came up with the idea of selling hamburgers directly to people in their cars.
                              Mrs. Yebbut said "Yebbut why would anyone buy a burger to eat in their car? It would probably spill in their lap, and what would you do with the wrappers? People would much rather go inside and sit at a proper table with a waiter."

                              Moral: just try Don's idea and see if it works - if it doesn't work at least you know it doesn't.

                              As for a policy of not giving stuff away for free, don't the mobile phone companies give away iPhones if you sign up for a monthly fee? Of course you end up paying a premium price for an iPhone. With Don's idea the client ends up paying a premium price for a mobile website - so what's the difference?

                              Nothing personal Dave, you are perfectly entitled to present a different point of view from Don, and it would be remiss of you not to do so if that is what you think.
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                              • Profile picture of the author peter_act
                                Here's my effort at Don's idea - the menu tabs which you can't see are takeaways, coffee shops and bars.
                                These tabs could lead to your "directory"
                                I can't see why motels wouldn't let you put a card with a QR code into every room -it's a service for their guests and they already have compendiums in a book format, this is just an electronic version of the same thing.
                                As an incentive you could give them a free mobile website for the motel itself.

                                If you can't read the text, it says "As a special service for our guests here is a selection of nearby eateries and coffee houses."


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                              • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                                Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

                                Anyone heard of the mythical "Mrs. Yebbut"?
                                Years ago, Ray Kroc came up with the idea of selling hamburgers directly to people in their cars.
                                Mrs. Yebbut said "Yebbut why would anyone buy a burger to eat in their car? It would probably spill in their lap, and what would you do with the wrappers? People would much rather go inside and sit at a proper table with a waiter."
                                I really don't see the point here, selling burgers to people in cars (take out) isn't as dumb as selling spots to a empty directory ...

                                Like i sad before i am glad i am not your client, because all off you who think this is a great idea,

                                Do not have the client interests at heart, sorry to say, but your willing to sell them spots on sites that don't have or almost don't have any traffic so the ROI will suck.....

                                Just look at it.... first you're going to put flyer's in rooms of hotels, should be very easy because in the US no hotel seem to have their own restaurant.

                                Ok lets say you find these hotels that will let you promote other businesses in their rooms.

                                Let say you fill a 100 rooms with a flyer and QR codes (you guys really seem to love QR codes, to bad the rest of the western doesn't) now on average 80% of these rooms are filled with people

                                So that is 80 people, of those 80 people only 50% has a smartphone So now you have 40 people, now of these 40 peopleabout 10% knows how to handle QR codes and will go true all the trouble of installing a app and scanning the QR code (and that is on the high end)

                                So in the end you will have 4 visitors a day per 100 hotel rooms where you promoted your mobile directory.... Yeah i would love to be on that directory to if i was a restaurant owner.

                                Moral: just try Don's idea and see if it works - if it doesn't work at least you know it doesn't.
                                No, i don't work for free, period.

                                As for a policy of not giving stuff away for free, don't the mobile phone companies give away iPhones if you sign up for a monthly fee? Of course you end up paying a premium price for an iPhone. With Don's idea the client ends up paying a premium price for a mobile website - so what's the difference?
                                Apples and oranges, when you get a free phone you need to sign a 2 or 3 year contract, so the mobile phone companies are certain that they will profit from giving that away for free,... that is not the case with giving away free mobile websites... or do you wanna tie your new clients on a multiple year contract? Don't think you will get a lot of business that way.

                                Nothing personal Dave, you are perfectly entitled to present a different point of view from Don, and it would be remiss of you not to do so if that is what you think.
                                I never see a different point of view as a personal attack on me Peter , you guys do a lot of things differently and i think that especially US folks market in a very different way, a lot of the stuff here would not work here in Holland, business owners here are far more skeptical then US business owners, so there will always be a difference in culture and stuff like that.

                                Sometimes i forget that

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                                  Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                                  Let say you fill a 100 rooms with a flyer and QR codes (you guys really seem to love QR codes, to bad the rest of the western doesn't) now on average 80% of these rooms are filled with people
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                                  You could say the same for MacDonalds back in the early days, and look where it is now, everwhere and most people know how to use it. QR codes may catch on at a faster rate though.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                                    Originally Posted by DudleyDog View Post

                                    You could say the same for MacDonalds back in the early days, and look where it is now, everwhere and most people know how to use it. QR codes may catch on at a faster rate though.
                                    I have seen other big businesses use QR codes as well, the only thing is that the general public doesn't use them, hell they don't even know what they are... QR codes have been around for years now and is never going to take of.

                                    It is something i will not offer my clients because of the fact that i can't justify the investment in QR codes, even if i give them away for free there is a lot of printed stuff that need to be invested in, like bill forms and menu's.

                                    You're better of using texting then QR codes because everybody knows texting, if nobody is using the QR codes expect marketers and geeks how do i get a good ROI for your clients then?
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                                      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                                      I have seen other big businesses use QR codes as well, the only thing is that the general public doesn't use them, hell they don't even know what they are... QR codes have been around for years now and is never going to take of.

                                      It is something i will not offer my clients because of the fact that i can't justify the investment in QR codes, even if i give them away for free there is a lot of printed stuff that need to be invested in, like bill forms and menu's.

                                      You're better of using texting then QR codes because everybody knows texting, if nobody is using the QR codes expect marketers and geeks how do i get a good ROI for your clients then?
                                      I do think QR is catching on more than it did last year in The Netherlands, maybe you can offer them both to your clients?
                                      What kind of text service do you offer your clients in The Netherlands? (I'm also from NL).
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                                      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                                        Originally Posted by Social Guy View Post

                                        I do think QR is catching on more than it did last year in The Netherlands, maybe you can offer them both to your clients?
                                        What kind of text service do you offer your clients in The Netherlands? (I'm also from NL).

                                        Really? i haven't seen anyone mentioning QR codes except marketing people and geeks... go ask a 100 people if they know what QR codes are... you will be shocked lol.

                                        I have 2 sms services one is just the normal listbuilding and one is appointment reminder service which is not really popular just yet.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Social Guy
                                          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                                          Really? i haven't seen anyone mentioning QR codes except marketing people and geeks... go ask a 100 people if they know what QR codes are... you will be shocked lol.

                                          I have 2 sms services one is just the normal listbuilding and one is appointment reminder service which is not really popular just yet.
                                          I see theme on menu's of cafe's, restaurants and bars more and more the last month's.. (a lot of theme without a mobile website so I check those places and offer them a website including some QR marketing )

                                          Wich sms/text provider do you use in NL? I see a lot of the big players but most of the time they are not providing their services in The Netherlands..
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                                          • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                                            Originally Posted by Social Guy View Post

                                            I see theme on menu's of cafe's, restaurants and bars more and more the last month's.. (a lot of theme without a mobile website so I check those places and offer them a website including some QR marketing )

                                            Wich sms/text provider do you use in NL? I see a lot of the big players but most of the time they are not providing their services in The Netherlands..
                                            About 70% of my clients are restaurant and bars and i have only seen it once... and even so the general public has no idea what QR codes are... i will not offer them to my clients as long as at least 60% of the general public knows what it is. and as for now its around 5% so.....

                                            I use mollie.nl for my SMS stuff, you have to contact them and they will help you getting setup.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
                                      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                                      I have seen other big businesses use QR codes as well, the only thing is that the general public doesn't use them, hell they don't even know what they are... QR codes have been around for years now and is never going to take of.

                                      It is something i will not offer my clients because of the fact that i can't justify the investment in QR codes, even if i give them away for free there is a lot of printed stuff that need to be invested in, like bill forms and menu's.

                                      You're better of using texting then QR codes because everybody knows texting, if nobody is using the QR codes expect marketers and geeks how do i get a good ROI for your clients then?
                                      Man, you have got to expand your way of looking at things. You've been pretty negative about everything mentioned in this thread, and now you are on qr codes. You can integrate a qr code campaign with texting, emails, mobile coupons, and a host if other things. And just google stats about qr code utilization - its skyrocketing. Sure not many people used it last year, because it was new and unfamiliar, but you really need to be perceptive about what you can offer now as well as in the future.

                                      And ROI for a qr code campaign? I would say that, when used properly, its quite a ROI.

                                      How easy is it to put a couple of lines of text under the code:
                                      Don't have a scanner yet?
                                      Go to xyz.com for your FREE scanner now!

                                      Problem solved.

                                      One final thing. My six year old daughter and my sixty year old mother both know exactly what qr codes are, because they see them all over the place.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                                        I maybe be negative about QR (which i am) but you need to come of your pink cloud of imagination and smell the coffee, almost nobody on the general public knows what a QR code is, and those who do, don't care....

                                        I did my own research on it, we have been out there on the street asking random people if they know what a QR codes was and of the couple of 100 people we asked only a view knew what they where.... most of them thought it was some kind of freaky art.

                                        And do you really think when people are out eating or having a drink that they are going to go to the trouble of installing a app, learning how the app works, and scanning a QR code? get real will ya.

                                        I really wished that QR codes where taking of, cus it is a great technique. but they don't and that is just a fact... and that you guys keep pushing QR codes on to your clients makes me wonder if the client interest is really in good hands with you guys, or are you just in it to milk a bit more out of your client?

                                        My job is to get my client the most out of his investment, and any investment in QR codes is nothing but a tax write off for my client. ohw and that your family knows about it is not something you had anything to do with it right?




                                        Originally Posted by Daniel LaRusso View Post

                                        Man, you have got to expand your way of looking at things. You've been pretty negative about everything mentioned in this thread, and now you are on qr codes. You can integrate a qr code campaign with texting, emails, mobile coupons, and a host if other things. And just google stats about qr code utilization - its skyrocketing. Sure not many people used it last year, because it was new and unfamiliar, but you really need to be perceptive about what you can offer now as well as in the future.

                                        And ROI for a qr code campaign? I would say that, when used properly, its quite a ROI.

                                        How easy is it to put a couple of lines of text under the code:
                                        Don't have a scanner yet?
                                        Go to xyz.com for your FREE scanner now!

                                        Problem solved.

                                        One final thing. My six year old daughter and my sixty year old mother both know exactly what qr codes are, because they see them all over the place.
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                                          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post


                                          And do you really think when people are out eating or having a drink that they are going to go to the trouble of installing a app, learning how the app works, and scanning a QR code?
                                          If it means a free drink/coffee/dessert for them, yes I do!
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                                          • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                                            Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

                                            If it means a free drink/coffee/dessert for them, yes I do!
                                            They don't.... they absolutely don't and why? because people are lazy and they are not going to jump true all those hoops just to get a free drink... especially when they are out on dinner or drinks with friends....

                                            You wanna keep fooling yourself that is fine by me, but you guys are really doing your clients a disservice by offering them QR codes and having thjem invest in all kinds of print and such...

                                            I have done my own research on it, maybe that is something you guys need to do to, go outside and ask about 200 random people if they know what a QR code is (show them one) and you'll find out for yourself why QR codes is not a good marketing tool.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
                                              Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                                              They don't.... they absolutely don't and why? because people are lazy and they are not going to jump true all those hoops just to get a free drink... especially when they are out on dinner or drinks with friends....

                                              You wanna keep fooling yourself that is fine by me, but you guys are really doing your clients a disservice by offering them QR codes and having thjem invest in all kinds of print and such...

                                              I have done my own research on it, maybe that is something you guys need to do to, go outside and ask about 200 random people if they know what a QR code is (show them one) and you'll find out for yourself why QR codes is not a good marketing tool.
                                              It's all a matter of perspective. Many of us think you are doing your clients and prospects a disservice by NOT having QR codes in your toolbox. And like Peter said, in this economy, heck yes people will spend a few seconds installing an app (if there are instructions under the QR code or if they don't already have the app) and scanning a QR code if they can get something free or a discount.

                                              I went to the site that I recommend underneath the QR codes I provide (which is short and easy to type) from my wife's phone. From the time I typed the URL in to the time the app was installed, I took a picture of a QR code, and was redirected to a mobile optimized coupon was a whopping 2 minutes and 12 seconds.

                                              The next time you go to a restaurant, look around you, and see where many people's eyes are focused. With a lot of people - younger folks, older folks, couples, whatever - it's often NOT on each other; it's on their smart phones. People use them all the time, so why not incorporate a discount from a QR code?

                                              It's all in how you use it, man. I told myself I wasn't going to reply here again, but I have absolutely had one dentist and multiple restaurants ask ME if they can get QR codes integrated into their campaign. It does indeed work, the ROI is very good, and people absolutely do scan QR codes.

                                              I think the better test would be to go out with a 8 1/2" x 11" laminated card with a QR code on it, above the QR code have "Scan this QR code to get a $5 bill from me on the spot", and beneath the code, have "No QR code scanner? Go to xyz.com/reader for a FREE scanner"

                                              THEN see how many of the 200 people who see the code scan it. Or better yet, remove the variable of $5 not being enough of an incentive, because the real goal of the study is to see what % of people will scan a QR code, and give people $50 just for scanning the code.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
                                                Originally Posted by Daniel LaRusso View Post

                                                It's all a matter of perspective. Many of us think you are doing your clients and prospects a disservice by NOT having QR codes in your toolbox. And like Peter said, in this economy, heck yes people will spend a few seconds installing an app (if there are instructions under the QR code or if they don't already have the app) and scanning a QR code if they can get something free or a discount.
                                                No people will not do that when they are out for dinner or having a drinks with friends... you're being totally unrealistic

                                                I went to the site that I recommend underneath the QR codes I provide (which is short and easy to type) from my wife's phone. From the time I typed the URL in to the time the app was installed, I took a picture of a QR code, and was redirected to a mobile optimized coupon was a whopping 2 minutes and 12 seconds.
                                                So you can create a fast QR codes, you still missing the point that THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T USE THEM, you just don't wanna see it do you?


                                                The next time you go to a restaurant, look around you, and see where many people's eyes are focused. With a lot of people - younger folks, older folks, couples, whatever - it's often NOT on each other; it's on their smart phones. People use them all the time, so why not incorporate a discount from a QR code?
                                                Again because the general public doesn't use QR codes,

                                                It's all in how you use it, man. I told myself I wasn't going to reply here again, but I have absolutely had one dentist and multiple restaurants ask ME if they can get QR codes integrated into their campaign. It does indeed work, the ROI is very good, and people absolutely do scan QR codes.
                                                Really? i find that hard to belief... you proberbly pointed that out to them first, sold it as the next best thing after sliced bread... and we all know that it isn't.


                                                I think the better test would be to go out with a 8 1/2" x 11" laminated card with a QR code on it, above the QR code have "Scan this QR code to get a $5 bill from me on the spot", and beneath the code, have "No QR code scanner? Go to xyz.com/reader for a FREE scanner"

                                                THEN see how many of the 200 people who see the code scan it. Or better yet, remove the variable of $5 not being enough of an incentive, because the real goal of the study is to see what % of people will scan a QR code, and give people $50 just for scanning the code.
                                                Sure if you do it on the street you might find some people who want to learn, but that is a totally different setting then when you have dinner with your friends or when you out on a date (you really think people want to scan a QR codes for discounts on a date? and then wondering why they don't do well with the woman lol )

                                                Yu keep believing that QR codes are the next best thing after sliced bread and i will remain to the facts, and the facts are that QR codes have been around for years, it doesn't take off, it doesn't have a ROI for the client and so i will not offer it to my clients, as i am here to make them money, not to have them spent money on worthless gadgets like QR codes.

                                                This is the last thing i am going to say about QR coed, my point of view is clear and i don't feel like repeating myself so much, lets just agree that we think different about QR codes, you think they are great marketing tool, and i strongly belief they are a total rip off, used to extort more money out of clients

                                                No hard feelings i hope, just a different point of view

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                                              • Profile picture of the author peter_act
                                                Originally Posted by Daniel LaRusso View Post

                                                And like Peter said, in this economy, heck yes people will spend a few seconds installing an app (if there are instructions under the QR code or if they don't already have the app) and scanning a QR code if they can get something free or a discount.

                                                The next time you go to a restaurant, look around you, and see where many people's eyes are focused. With a lot of people - younger folks, older folks, couples, whatever - it's often NOT on each other; it's on their smart phones. People use them all the time, so why not incorporate a discount from a QR code?

                                                I think the better test would be to go out with a 8 1/2" x 11" laminated card with a QR code on it, above the QR code have "Scan this QR code to get a $5 bill from me on the spot", and beneath the code, have "No QR code scanner? Go to xyz.com/reader for a FREE scanner"

                                                THEN see how many of the 200 people who see the code scan it. Or better yet, remove the variable of $5 not being enough of an incentive, because the real goal of the study is to see what % of people will scan a QR code, and give people $50 just for scanning the code.
                                                Well said, Daniel, this is what I'm banking on. An extra take on this (I think this came from Don as well) is to have the waitress have a badge saying :Ask me how to get a free dessert" - when asked she points out the little table tent with the QR code and how to scan it.

                                                Getting back to the original concept of this post i.e. QR codes in hotel rooms, my local one is almost done, it's at Canberra local restaurants

                                                It's still in tweaking stage, but I think you will get the genetal idea.

                                                Now I've got to go round the local eateries and ask if they want me to design a mobile website for them or use one of their own. If I design it, I'm thinking $59 a month is a good price for design, hosting, analytics and a captive market in the hotel/motel guests.
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                                              Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

                                              They don't.... they absolutely don't and why? because people are lazy and they are not going to jump true all those hoops just to get a free drink... especially when they are out on dinner or drinks with friends....

                                              You wanna keep fooling yourself that is fine by me, but you guys are really doing your clients a disservice by offering them QR codes and having thjem invest in all kinds of print and such...

                                              I have done my own research on it, maybe that is something you guys need to do to, go outside and ask about 200 random people if they know what a QR code is (show them one) and you'll find out for yourself why QR codes is not a good marketing tool.
                                              You are wrong.. People actually LOVE doing this for offers here in the US..

                                              Wan't to know why? Because you are doing it wrong.. All you have to do is educate the waitress to point out the offer on the table stand, the customers scan the code or simply enter the URL (which is below the code) and they opt-in with their mobile phones.. automatically they receive a free drink coupon or whatever it is and that is it..

                                              It doesn't take more than 1 minute, if they don't give a damn about QR codes like you say then they just simply visit the opt-in page via their mobile browsers.. No biggie.

                                              You NEVER base a whole campaign on QR codes.. Yes 70% of the people will have no idea wth a QR code is which is why you always enter a URL for them to visit with their browsers..

                                              People must be lazy where you live man.. Or you are simply not making the offers "cool" enough.

                                              My 2 cents on the thread.
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      Is there any service which can convert the current website to mobile site for free?
      Sure there are... but what do you end up with ---- something that is nearly as useless as the original desktop version. Creating a decent mobile site requires a lot of thought and planning to make it useable for a phone with small screen. The needs of a mobile user are VERY different to the needs and wants of a desktop user. That has to be "converted" using brain power after discussion with the client. At this point, nothing comes close.
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    Hi is there anyway we can see one of the directories that you have created, I really love this idea and I am putting it into action as we speak. I am just having a bit of trouble deciding what the home page of the directory should look like. Is it basically just a logo/directory name with a list of categories? Then when you click on a category it takes you to a page with options in that category ect? Do you keep it exclusive, as in only one pizza place ect?

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  • Profile picture of the author Adwizard
    Don... my theory has always been that we as marketers and sales people must learn to think outside the box. You my friend are a genius!!!

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    Don... my theory has always been that we as marketers and sales people must learn to think outside the box. You my friend are a genius!!!

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    Too many people here are trying to put a monetary number on features.
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  • Profile picture of the author daniel27lt
    It already sounds like you know what you are doing and got it on the track. But, what I would do is create my own mobile site (if know how) or find a template across the net somewhere (I have come across a couple of good ones free).

    Once you have edited the template to the look and feel of your site (if any) find a web host (most of them about $5.00 USD month) and upload to it. It's basically that easy. I have found it easier to create mobile sites then full sites. I hope this has helped.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adwizard
      I am certainly not talking about puting competition for the hotel into the directory... Here in the USA about 9 out of 10 hotels DO NOT have a restaurant in them... just the opposite of your stat. The reason I believe this captured audience would make it work is because I published coupon magazines in tourist towns for many years. I know for a fact that business owners want to appeal to that dollar that is here today but gone tomorrow.

      Now perhaps in all actuality the renewal rate of your advertisers may not be as high as they are in my direct mail magazines (84%) that totally saturate an area around a business but that is because the business doesn't get hit with as many redemptions right off the bat like one does when 15,000 pieces are home delivered in a single day.

      IMHO, with QR codes in rooms and around hotel as well as the different keywords redirecting traffic to your directory and signs placed about town like mentioned above I believe it could work. I know I don't want unhappy clients and I know I have the capability of making the sale, I may actually go out and give this a shot.
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      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
        Originally Posted by Adwizard View Post

        I am certainly not talking about puting competition for the hotel into the directory... Here in the USA about 9 out of 10 hotels DO NOT have a restaurant in them... just the opposite of your stat. The reason I believe this captured audience would make it work is because I published coupon magazines in tourist towns for many years. I know for a fact that business owners want to appeal to that dollar that is here today but gone tomorrow.
        LOL in almost every hotel i have ever been around the world, there was a restaurant attached to it and i have traveled a lot... about your magazines adsm, that is a whole other ballgame.. you can be sure when you place a ad in a magazine that your ad is going to be seen, that is not the case with a mobile directory... it is comparing apples with oranges... a magazine has traffic... a empty directory doesn't no matter if you ad some flyer's at some hotels without restaurants


        Now perhaps in all actuality the renewal rate of your advertisers may not be as high as they are in my direct mail magazines (84%) that totally saturate an area around a business but that is because the business doesn't get hit with as many redemptions right off the bat like one does when 15,000 pieces are home delivered in a single day.
        How great for you, still has nothing to do with getting traffic to a mobile directory.

        IMHO, with QR codes in rooms and around hotel as well as the different keywords redirecting traffic to your directory and signs placed about town like mentioned above I believe it could work. I know I don't want unhappy clients and I know I have the capability of making the sale, I may actually go out and give this a shot.

        LOL QR codes... Never mind we come from two different worlds and cultures, the US people are more receptive for this kind of marketing, Dutch people not so much...

        I know for sure that no one here will ever take a look at these QR codes... 90% of the normal population (no marketers and no IMers) doesn't even know what a QR code is, let a alone that they are going to install a app to scan a QR code that directs you to a mobile directory with your clients restaurant in it... when all they have to do is to type restaurant + city in Google and have a huge selection of restaurants in the neighbourhood

        If it works for you great... but this is way to far fetch for me and my clients, basically i will be given them two things that just doesn't justify the investment...

        First a mobile directory with no real traffic, just maybe some guy who figured out how QR codes works if your lucky, and secondly.... The QR codes that nobody is using...

        Well good luck with that....
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    What a fantastic thread! I'm planning on getting into the mobile market within the next month or so, as it's a massive market that's only going to get bigger, and some of the ideas and concepts presented here are ones I'll definitely be taking up myself.

    Great stuff - thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adwizard
    I think a lot of people know what they are by the picture they may not know they're called QR codes.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingMedia
    Qr codes are not taking off in the US

    When I explain and show them to people they are like "wow" but lose focus real fast... Hard to market this way.

    Yup, big businesses are using them like Avis and Budget but they don't even go to a mobile optimized site. ...nobody caught that in the engineering room? I contacted them, but no response and trapped in VM hell for followups.

    apple.com is not mobile optimized either!

    Sucks, they can have huge impact. Not yet though.

    I hear they are (and have been) big in European countries? Can any fellow warriors attest to that?
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    I life in Holland and almost nobody knows what QR codes are, so no it is not big in Europe, the only place where it is big is in the Asian part of the world... but in the western world it is not taken off, which is to bad because you can do a lot with this technique if the general population was using i9t, but they don't, so move on
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      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      I life in Holland and almost nobody knows what QR codes are, so no it is not big in Europe, the only place where it is big is in the Asian part of the world... but in the western world it is not taken off, which is to bad because you can do a lot with this technique if the general population was using i9t, but they don't, so move on
      Dave

      We are all pretty aware of your Take on QR Codes and your insistance that nobody uses them, especially in Holland,.

      So I have compled a few artiles for you to bring you up to speed:

      Netherlands Launch QR Code Nutritional Campaign On Large Scale

      World's First Coins With QR Codes Will Start Circulating in the Netherlands Next Week | Popular Science

      Dutch start-up launches QR code mobile payments - Telecompaper

      Ironically, back in June the Royal Dutch Mint put the first QR Code Coin into circulation...taking that into consideration, how can people in holland NOT know what a QR Code is?
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      • Profile picture of the author Adwizard
        LOL....I love it!!! Nice research...
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      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
        These campaigns where so great that nobody ever saw them... but even if we did

        NOBODY KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH QR CODES, i really don't give a sh** about what kind of campaigns marketers roll out, the fact is that most people think it is art of some kind. they have no clue, which is kinda important if you wanna use it as a marketing tool.

        I understand you guys wanna make yourself belief that QR codes are the next best thing after sliced bread, because most of you see yourself as a very ethical consultant that doesn't sell services that (if you be real honest with yourself) have no ROI, so you have to keep fooling yourself that it works great for your clients to keep selling them this "service".

        Glad i am not client by any of you, you don't have the client interest at heart, you have your own interest at heart when you sell them ****ty services like QR codes.

        That is the last i will say about this subject....

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        Originally Posted by HypeText View Post

        Dave

        We are all pretty aware of your Take on QR Codes and your insistance that nobody uses them, especially in Holland,.

        So I have compled a few artiles for you to bring you up to speed:

        Netherlands Launch QR Code Nutritional Campaign On Large Scale

        World's First Coins With QR Codes Will Start Circulating in the Netherlands Next Week | Popular Science

        Dutch start-up launches QR code mobile payments - Telecompaper

        Ironically, back in June the Royal Dutch Mint put the first QR Code Coin into circulation...taking that into consideration, how can people in holland NOT know what a QR Code is?
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        • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
          I agree, the dutch people have too many other 'distractions' to focus on QR codes.




          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          These campaigns where so great that nobody ever saw them... but even if we did

          NOBODY KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH QR CODES, i really don't give a sh** about what kind of campaigns marketers roll out, the fact is that most people think it is art of some kind. they have no clue, which is kinda important if you wanna use it as a marketing tool.

          I understand you guys wanna make yourself belief that QR codes are the next best thing after sliced bread, because most of you see yourself as a very ethical consultant that doesn't sell services that (if you be real honest with yourself) have no ROI, so you have to keep fooling yourself that it works great for your clients to keep selling them this "service".

          Glad i am not client by any of you, you don't have the client interest at heart, you have your own interest at heart when you sell them ****ty services like QR codes.

          That is the last i will say about this subject....

          Dave
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        • Profile picture of the author DudleyDog
          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          That is the last i will say about this subject....
          Dave
          You've made your point more than once. Let's hope you stick to your promise this time.
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    • Profile picture of the author spainops
      Great thread with some great ideas.

      I am doing a big push offering offline services to estate agents at the moment - QR codes are perfect for that business - don't care what the negs on here say.

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  • Profile picture of the author dulcet
    It's a great thread. Starting mobile site business myself this month and I'll be testing this method compares to other pricing packages. Let's see how it goes. =)
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      Originally Posted by dulcet View Post

      It's a great thread. Starting mobile site business myself this month and I'll be testing this method compares to other pricing packages. Let's see how it goes. =)
      Everyone should try this approach and not be swayed by one persons take on the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author HypeText
    Ok, I just want to clarify that I wasnt looking to stir up an argument or get a posse together to go Lynch Dave over his opinion of QR Codes.

    He is entitled to his opinion even if others of it don't agree.

    I only posted what I did to make a point that people in Holland are much more aware of QR Codes than he seems to think.
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  • Profile picture of the author ovitruk
    I thinks offering free mobile site setup plus reasonable monthly fee is good for those offline internet marketers who are just starting their business and have difficulties to convince business owners why they should pay for a mobile site.

    I think it's better start with small steps rather try to jump into big business, then get frustrated by own lack of experience and leave it forever. Many really good and successful IM professionals who teach many of us how to start offline internet marketing business, may not have a good idea why some people are failing. Not everybody is born with ability to talk nicely and convincing to buy some products, there are many reasons for that. But starting little by little may be very helpful to overcome shyness and lack of experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhaw22
      this thread has great information after reading thru all 3 pages I have a question for those of you offering or thinking about offering a free or low price mobile site. To justify the monthly fee what would be some things that could be offered to the customer to help ease the cost especially if you are charging$50+ monthly? Are there some free services that would take minimal time or low cost services that could be packaged together that would have the perceived value of $50+ month?
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