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Has WF fallen?

by Justin Lewis
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I haven't visited Warrior Forum in some time, I came back after a bit over a year and suddenly there is a feed. As the intro to the forum, it's a bit of a big wall of text.

Has the WF fallen in the last year? Have there been improvements? What do you think?
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    I am not going to talk too much about it but there are a LOT of threads from people who are unhappy about the current set-up. Many of the top quality, helpful have now gone.
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    Originally Posted by Justin Lewis View Post

    I haven't visited Warrior Forum in some time, I came back after a bit over a year and suddenly there is a feed. As the intro to the forum, it's a bit of a big wall of text.

    Has the WF fallen in the last year? Have there been improvements? What do you think?
    A few "emotional" threads about this so far

    I like that the breadcrumbs are fixed.

    It's changed, just have to roll with the times. And if you have suggestions, from what I've seen Moss is happy to take on board.
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    Forums change. It happens.

    I happen to like this forum.
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    Justin, there have been quite a few "spirited" discussions about this recently... One was deleted a few days ago, just have a look around and you'll find them...
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    I started testing the feed and I can see it's benefit. But I can also see the fall of very intellectual write-ups on threads. The feed now pushes people to keep it short and sweet like Facebook which in turn makes a lot of write-ups kinda moot... too simple... spammy.

    Also when I press "Tab" to jump to the "Post Quick Reply" it jumps to "Facebook, Twitter, +" in the left sidebar...
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Hey Justin

      Should have been last weekend as there are not many mods about then so we had us old fashioned flaming blood bath just like the old days

      There we insults flying back and forth some numb nut only put up videos to voice an opinion mainly very bad taste in video replays

      Best part the right person got to have a holiday,

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    Originally Posted by Justin Lewis View Post

    Haha, made me laugh.. but when people mark "Thanks" for posts like this.. it proves a bit more of my point. Thanks was meant for posts that added value or helped people. I know it's funny, but it adds no value. Save your thanks peoples lol.
    You do realize when Allen Says added the thanks feature, he specifically said a post that made you laugh was a reason to use the thanks?

    Why "save" thanks? Are you going to put them in a bank account and draw interest on them? Why not "spend" them and show appreciation for posts people make? After all, they're free and "value" is in the eye of the beholder. IMO, making people laugh or smile is one of the most "valuable" things we can do.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      You do realize when Allen Says added the thanks feature, he specifically said a post that made you laugh was a reason to use the thanks?

      Why "save" thanks? Are you going to put them in a bank account and draw interest on them? Why not "spend" them and show appreciation for posts people make? After all, they're free and "value" is in the eye of the beholder. IMO, making people laugh or smile is one of the most "valuable" things we can do.
      Nope, didn't know that XD My bad.

      I've just seen some extremely valuable posts from others get barely any thanks, yet a meme video or picture (not yours) will get a thanks O.o

      Thanks for the kick in the butt though, makes sense the way you put it.
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    While I am not one to dispute the forum genius of Mr. Says....I can't help but think about this...

    A new study from The Ohio State University suggests that constant - and perhaps undue - praise for our kids' tiniest accomplishments, or non-accomplishments, may have the unintended side-effect of creating an over-inflated ego. And this can have serious consequences both in childhood and later on in life.
    "Narcissistic children feel superior to others, believe they are entitled to privileges, and crave for constant admiration from others," study author Eddie Brummelman tells me. "When they fail to obtain the admiration they want, they may lash out aggressively. Narcissistic individuals are also at increased risk to develop addiction. Subgroups of narcissists, especially those with low self-esteem, are at increased risk to develop anxiety and depression."
    Too Much Praise Can Turn Kids Into Narcissists, Study Suggests

    FG Translation ---> WF has a lot of members that act like kids.

    Note: If you are required to login to read the article use this link instead.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...Study+Suggests
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    I guess if ur gonna load up on narcissistic thanks, it pays to blow someone else's trumpet.
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    Ha!

    When it comes to swingin' to the beat, nuthin' tops the horn section.

    Takes a lotta skill to play that stuff.

    Even blowin' on a bugle is harder than it looks, unless you wanna sound like you got a bee stuck in your pants.

    Prolly a trombone is the hardesta the horns cos in addition to fixin' your lips so they don't go all bzzzzt bzzzzt bzzzt, you gotta slide one hand up an' down with sum degreea deftness.

    Tubas are jus' an abomination, an' that is why there is only room for one in most orchestras.
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    Originally Posted by Justin Lewis View Post

    Nope, didn't know that XD My bad.

    I've just seen some extremely valuable posts from others get barely any thanks, yet a meme video or picture (not yours) will get a thanks O.o

    Thanks for the kick in the butt though, makes sense the way you put it.
    It's all perception on what someone decides to thank or not thank.

    Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

    I guess if ur gonna load up on narcissistic thanks, it pays to blow someone else's trumpet.
    How about blowing a whistle?

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    Honestly, if anyone puts any kind of concrete value into "thanks", that's on them.
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Honestly, if anyone puts any kind of concrete value into "thanks", that's on them.
      Yeah, the system has become so devalued it's become almost worthless. If it had actually any value in the beginning, that value has been diminished substantially over the years.
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    There is one way I use Thanks as a gauge.

    If there is an informational post, I look at the number of thanks it gets to be the "grain of salt" I use to decide whether the advice it contains is sound or not.

    It's not foolproof, of course, but it can help. For me, at least.
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    i don't like that feed idea
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    Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

    Yeah, the system has become so devalued it's become almost worthless. If it had actually any value in the beginning, that value has been diminished substantially over the years.
    Nothing has been devalued. It has the same value it always had.
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Nothing has been devalued. It has the same value it always had.
      If zero = zero and it always = zero get rid of it. Too many newbs get confused by the massive thanks counts some in the trade association have acquired.

      It's a bit odd how you think the thanks button has no value but you have the like button on all the posts in your forum.

      Let's not kid ourselves here, thanks mean a lot to some people here, otherwise a trade association would not have existed and you would not see folks running around here with 5-10,000 thanks etc.
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        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        It's a bit odd how you think the thanks button has no value but you have the like button on all the posts in your forum.

        Let's not kid ourselves here, thanks mean a lot to some people here, otherwise a trade association would not have existed and you would not see folks running around here with 5-10,000 thanks etc.
        I never said it has no value. I said the value hasn't changed. It's the same as it has always been. Some people use it as a guide. Some people could care less. It has pretty much always been that way on this forum and many others.

        Personally, I would much, much rather have the thanks button here. If not, you will see a lot more "thanks" and "thanks for this" type of posts, and there are already far too many of those happening.

        For that reason alone, the thanks button should stay.

        That is the main reason I have a "like" button or the equivalent on all of my forums.
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I never said it has no value. I said the value hasn't changed. It's the same as it has always been. Some people use it as a guide. Some people could care less. It has pretty much always been that way on this forum and many others.

          Personally, I would much, much rather have the thanks button here.
          Nah, you basically implied it may be foolhardy to perceive value in the thanks button and totals.

          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Honestly, if anyone puts any kind of concrete value into "thanks", that's on them.
          Lol --> so I guess the newbs need a guide on who has legit thanks and who has piled up thanks for derailing threads in OT. That might be my next WSO!

          If not, you will see a lot more "thanks" and "thanks for this" type of posts, and there are already far too many of those happening.
          Which devalues the thanks function.

          For that reason alone, the thanks button should stay.
          I thought I may have seen you mention something to the effect - you don't care if it goes. The post may have been deleted, I don't know for sure.

          That is the main reason I have a "like" button or the equivalent on all of my forums.
          And we know likes on your forum are sometimes given and received when a member insults or tries to demean Warriors they don't like. I don't think that's the best use of a thanks or a like button here or anywhere else.

          At least this forum does not allow naming and those sorts of attacks.

          You have also stated that the thanks function along side the upvote functions confuses members....and you thought one of them should go.

          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I don't really think that an upvote system is necessary. Isn't that kind of what the 'Thanks' function is already for?

          Maybe make the 'Thanks' on the original thread post somehow translate into an upvote sort of thing, but I don't think we need both.

          If you are going to add up/down/sideways votes, then I would suggest having it replace the 'thanks' function.

          I know another marketing forum that added both. They have a 'thanks' button and a thumbs up / thumbs down system. So when do you use one and not the other? When do you use both? It is just kind of confusing to the membership in my opinion.
          http://www.warriorforum.com/suggesti...g-threads.html

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            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

            Nah, you basically implied it may be foolhardy to perceive value in the thanks button and totals.
            Yes. It might be. It also might not be. That's for the reader to decide.

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            Lol --> so I guess the newbs need a guide on who has legit thanks and who has piled up thanks for derailing threads in OT. That might be my next WSO!
            I think newbs should just read different opinions and learn for themselves. If anyone reads a post and says to themselves, "Wow. This absolutely must be true because this poster has a lot of thanks," that is on them.

            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

            Which devalues the thanks function.
            No, I think it actually adds a ton of value to the thanks button in that it saves the forum from a lot of stupid one-liners. Since the mods do not actively police that sort of thing (which would be tough to do on a large forum anyhow), it saves us the time of reporting them and the mods the time of acting on the reports.

            It doesn't remove them 100%, but there would certainly be a lot more of those kinds of posts to wade through in many threads if there was no thanks button.

            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

            I thought I may have seen you mention something to the effect - you don't care if it goes. The post may have been deleted, I don't know for sure.
            I said I could care less if the public view of members' thanks count goes away.

            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

            And we know likes on your forum are sometimes given and received when a member insults or tries to demean Warriors they don't like. I don't think that's the best use of a thanks or a like button here or anywhere else.

            At least this forum does not allow naming and those sorts of attacks.
            Actually, we give double likes for those and triple likes if it involves you.
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              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Yes. It might be. It also might not be. That's for the reader to decide.
              Yeah, newbs are real good at deciding things like that!


              I think newbs should just read different opinions and learn for themselves. If anyone reads a post and says to themselves, "Wow. This absolutely must be true because this poster has a lot of thanks," that is on them.
              That great newb experience will carry them far in recognizing who is who. Not.

              No, I think it actually adds a ton of value to the thanks button in that it saves the forum from a lot of stupid one-liners. Since the mods do not actively police that sort of thing (which would be tough to do on a large forum anyhow), it saves us the time of reporting them and the mods the time of acting on the reports.
              Lol --> since when? They have been responding to member mod reports for the most part.

              It doesn't remove them 100%, but there would certainly be a lot more of those kinds of posts to wade through in many threads if there was no thanks button.
              LOL --> like we don't have enough of those on the board. Hell, tons of those posts get thanked too.

              I said I could care less if the public view of members' thanks count goes away.
              Let's do it.
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                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                Lol --> since when? They have been responding to member mod reports for the most part.
                I said they do not actively police it, meaning they do not go out looking for and removing those posts on their own.

                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                LOL --> like we don't have enough of those on the board. Hell, tons of those posts get thanked too.
                I agree. But there would be a lot more without the thanks button.
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                    Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                    Misread that... I have been calling for active policing for the past two years.
                    Many people have. I just don't think it is ever going to happen.
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            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

            You have also stated that the thanks function along side the upvote functions confuses members....and you thought one of them should go.
            As I clearly stated in that thread, that was when I thought they both would appear on every post. That would be confusing.

            I referenced another forum that has both a thanks button and thumbs up/down button on every post. That forum is WebmasterSun, and I think it is foolish that they have both.
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              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              As I clearly stated in that thread, that was when I thought they both would appear on every post. That would be confusing.

              I referenced another forum that has both a thanks button and thumbs up/down button on every post. That forum is WebmasterSun, and I think it is foolish that they have both.
              Clear as mud... What is crystal clear is most of the peeps posting on that thread did not have a clue on what they were talking about.

              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              I never said it has no value.
              And the value is.....

              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Dan,
              It is actually in a way more scary than the current thanks system. In my opinion, 'thanks' have zero value on the worth of a post that someone makes..
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    Honestly, if anyone puts any kind of concrete value into "thanks", that's on them.
    When you thank someone - it's about THEM. It can be "I agree" or "that's funny" or "nice insight' - it does no harm to be generous in thanking others.
    It's a way to indicate approval (of one thing or another, of an idea or a chuckle) without making it 'about me' by posting your agreement.

    "Thanks" is not something to aim for or be embarrassed by and certainly not something to envy or strive for. I never look at how many thanks someone has received but occasionally glance at how many thanks they have GIVEN.

    Who you thank is a personal choice - and when someone thanks you it's an interaction between YOU and THAT PERSON - and no one else's business. It was never designed to have "value" -but to encourage 'support and interaction' between members.

    Personally I preferred the "have a beer" function on the old platform - I got a lot of beers!
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Who you thank is a personal choice - and when someone thanks you it's an interaction between YOU and THAT PERSON - and no one else's business. It was never designed to have "value" -but to encourage 'support and interaction' between members.
      It's also used to inspire trolls, flamers, thread derailment, personal attacks, and other nonsense. The thanks button is everyone's business since the totals are made public in a prominent forum location - right underneath your avatar and other forum "credentials". Secondarily, the thanks are listed publicly directly underneath each individual post and reply that has been thanked.
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    Let me rephrase that:

    I don't care what thanks others have - I don't consider it my business.

    I think complaining about thanks and the number of thanks some have - is petty. It looks like attempts to control or micromanage - and I honestly cannot imagine being against something so simple and harmless as the "thanks" function.

    To each his own.

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    LMAO --- I think repeatedly pointing out the value of the thanks button, while claiming it has no real value, and it does not matter to others, is some pretty funny shi*.
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      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      LMAO --- I think repeatedly pointing out the value of the thanks button, while claiming it has no real value, and it does not matter to others, is some pretty funny shi*.
      This constant back and forth between you and some of the "older members" is really getting old now...

      What did they do to you that you have to argue constantly even running to FL to report Mike's forum and WF members who have joined there? (Quite childish IMO)

      You always came across as one of the nicer people on the forum, now you have this hatred (Maybe too strong) that's eating you up inside...
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        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post



        What did they do to you that you have to argue constantly even running to FL to report Mike's forum and WF members who have joined there? (Quite childish IMO)

        You always came across as one of the nicer people on the forum, now you have this hatred (Maybe too strong) that's eating you up inside...
        Spare me the one sided taunting "childish" nonsense SG. You can bold it or even cap it. Its still a logically weak charge. FG doesn't have a forum seemingly dedicated to trashing anyone. He was trashed there first .Its easy to make statements like that when you are on the sidelines and no one is slandering you or threatening to ruin you etc. If you don't know what behind something it only means you don't know whats behind something.

        Its quite fair game to report and complain about any members infatuated with attacking anyone that doesn't see the use in attacking FL nonstop. Nothing childish about it - that just a slanted very biased opinion.
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          Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

          I'm glad tag has entered the discussion. 351 posts to sections that actually tally the post counts and 1408 posts thanked. How many of those were in OT? 1100? 1200? 1300? More?


          Maybe you don't see any problem with peeps running around the forum with inflated public thanks to post ratios. I think it's an issue than can be easily corrected by stopping the tally from accumulating down here in OT.
          Vast majority were in the OT, l did post in the IM section initially, but got bored with it, and have pretty much stayed down here for the most part.

          You can search through all of my posts l got thanks for, if you like, but on occasion l did get 10 or more thanks for one post. And that was ONLY because l posted something a lot of other members liked, not because a paid them, or some other nonsense.

          And l usually got a lot of thanks for graphic work, or graphic related subjects. Cleaning up Terras, Grandmothers image got a lot of thanks, as did the charity run l offered some of my products for.

          So, yeah, l got a lot of thanks, for working hard, and doing something people liked.

          I would recommend that you think twice before accusing people of gaming the forum, where non exists.


          And l did Terra's Grandmothers image cleanup, behind closed doors, or through email only. It was a bonus, that she decided to post it publicately, which led to a lot of thanks.

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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            I would recommend that you think twice before accusing people of gaming the forum, where non exists.
            No one that I have seen on this thread has accused you of gaming the forum. All I know is the vast majority of your thanks were collected down here in off-topic. The posts down here don't count towards the public running total, and IMO, neither should the thanks.
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    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    I never said it has no value. I said the value hasn't changed. It's the same as it has always been. Some people use it as a guide. Some people could care less. It has pretty much always been that way on this forum and many others.

    Personally, I would much, much rather have the thanks button here. If not, you will see a lot more "thanks" and "thanks for this" type of posts, and there are already far too many of those happening.

    For that reason alone, the thanks button should stay.

    That is the main reason I have a "like" button or the equivalent on all of my forums.
    I am sure the lower like, etc counts are in no way related to inadequacy?

    And maybe we should have a ban counter added?


    PS These are both jokes, and in no way should relate to anyone alive and dead, (well, dead is ok).

    PPS Sorry mods for breaking rule 2.3, couldn't resist.

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    Read what I posted...

    Dan,
    It is actually in a way more scary than the current thanks system. In my opinion, 'thanks' have zero value on the worth of a post that someone makes..
    Especially the part you highlighted.

    First, in my opinion. Other people put value on the thanks on a post. I don't. That is what that said.

    Second, was talking about the value of a post, not the value of the thanks button. I do not make a judgement on a post by how many thanks it has. But that does not mean the thanks button has no value at all.

    It is very valuable in cutting down on all the "thanks for this post" kind of replies.

    It has value. Just in my opinion, I don't think it always reflects the value of a post.
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      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      This constant back and forth between you and some of the "older members" is really getting old now...

      Nah, it's new, and it's not constant. A few members like to troll me and others wherever I go (and don't go)...that must be what you are talking about.

      What did they do to you that you have to argue constantly even running to FL to report Mike's forum and WF members who have joined there? (Quite childish IMO)
      LMAO ---- Childish? I guess you have not read much about the recent goings on.

      You always came across as one of the nicer people on the forum, now you have this hatred (Maybe too strong) that's eating you up inside...
      I think you have missed a few of the more salient threads discussing all sorts of goings on. It's cool, I'm still one of the nicer people on here.

      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      First, in my opinion. Other people put value on the thanks on a post. I don't. That is what that said.
      The discussion is about "we", not just you.

      Second, was talking about the value of a post, not the value of the thanks button. I do not make a judgement on a post by how many thanks it has. But that does not mean the thanks button has no value at all.
      I guess you are trying to backtrack now...we get the picture.

      It is very valuable in cutting down on all the "thanks for this post" kind of replies.
      Again, the reading and enforcement of 2.3 can handle that.

      It has value. Just in my opinion, I don't think it always reflects the value of a post
      .
      Exactly, some thank their friends for anything and everything, ignoring the content of the post. This is exactly how the thanks function has become so devalued --> if it ever had any value.
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        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        Again, the reading and enforcement of 2.3 can handle that.
        No it won't.
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          No it won't.
          Sure.... I know how you are such a stickler on rules and rules enforcement.
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    I registered at WF couple of days ago and i find out some crazy good content.. Feed is stupid option for me, i like old good forum look
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I really don't get why you are so obsessed with the Thanks button. Are you mad because you feel people don't thank you enough for constantly pointing out their rules violations? Or is it because people do not give proper appreciation to all your music video posts?

    The thanks button has more value than UpVote button that you are constantly championing for the simple fact that it does cut down on "thank you" replies.
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I really don't get why you are so obsessed with the Thanks button. Are you mad because you feel people don't thank you enough for constantly pointing out their rules violations?
      LMAO ---> I have more thanks than I'll ever need. Yeah, I am looking for thanks when I bust someone out. Now that's some real funny shi*.

      Or is it because people do not give proper appreciation to all your music video posts?
      LMAO again --- I have made thousands of posts here, how many have been music videos? Yeah, that's what I thought.

      Do you think I will find a ton of metal fans on here? If I wanted thanks and likes I would post to any of the thousands of metal and rock and roll oriented Facebook pages and groups.

      The thanks button has more value than UpVote button that you are constantly championing for the simple fact that it does cut down on "thank you" replies.
      Now that statement is a wild as any you have made. Thanks does nothing to increase best thread visibility.... The Upvote functionality does...







      MIke, I hit 8.5 million real page views and 3500 comments on my images in my original social media photo gallery back in 2005. I grew out of my post for praise phase over a decade ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I really don't get why you are so obsessed with the Thanks button.
      Frankly I don't get why you both are so obsessed with the thank button. Him or you following him up endlessly on it. takes two to tango.

      The thank button is about how WF allegedly has fallen?
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Frankly I don't get why you both are so obsessed with the thank button. Him or you following him up endlessly on it. takes two to tango.

        The thank button is about how WF allegedly has fallen?
        Good point, but not an obsession with me.

        As far as the fall goes...I have posted numerous detailed replies on why I think the forum has declined.

        My last was here:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...##post10744394

        And the latest forum traffic killing bug I reported was here:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/suggesti...ub-forums.html

        Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Okay, then let's reverse the discussion. What harm is the Thanks button doing?
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Okay, then let's reverse the discussion. What harm is the Thanks button doing?
      I thought we had covered this somewhere before.

      In a nutshell...

      It's being/has been sorely abused...and the inflated running thanks totals are confusing some members, especially newbs.

      IMO, the thanks tally should have stopped rolling down here in the OT section when the post count stopped rolling.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        I thought we had covered this somewhere before.

        In a nutshell...

        It's being/has been sorely abused...and the inflated running thanks totals are confusing some members, especially newbs.

        IMO, the thanks tally should have stopped rolling down here in the OT section when the post count stopped rolling.
        Many people feel that the inflated numbers might be confusing to members, but there is not actual evidence of that which we can point to. We're just guessing.

        Confusing how? What actions are they taking based on that confusion? How many members are following stuff they shouldn't just based on thank count? 1 per day? 10 per day? 1 per week?

        Isn't post count potentially just as misleading? Maybe more misleading? Many members feel that post count shows the same kind of authority as 'Thanks" do.

        At the same time, someone could abuse the UpVote function in the same way to get their thread more visible for their own benefit.

        I get what you are saying, but I could make the exact same arguments about post count, the UpVote function, member join dates, etc. So should all of it be removed?
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    Many people feel that the inflated numbers might be confusing to members, but there is not actual evidence of that which we can point to. We're just guessing.
    I'm glad tag has entered the discussion. 351 posts to sections that actually tally the post counts and 1408 posts thanked. How many of those were in OT? 1100? 1200? 1300? More?


    Maybe you don't see any problem with peeps running around the forum with inflated public thanks to post ratios. I think it's an issue than can be easily corrected by stopping the tally from accumulating down here in OT.

    Isn't post count potentially just as misleading? Maybe more misleading? Many members feel that post count shows the same kind of authority as 'Thanks" do.
    I am not an advocate for misleading value indicators. Period.

    At the same time, someone could abuse the UpVote function in the same way to get their thread more visible for their own benefit.
    I disagree.... a few abusing the upvote system will not encourage the BS that goes along with an abused thanks button. I know some of you clamored for a downvote button, now that is a feature request that could be abused beyond belief, not to mention the fact that it can be very detrimental to the community.

    I get what you are saying, but I could make the exact same arguments about post count, the UpVote function, member join dates, etc. So should all of it be removed?
    No you can't. You have yet to make a single argument how the thanks button increases best thread visibility for the community viewership at large. The thanks button was not getting the job done and an upvote function has been added.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      I'm glad tag has entered the discussion. 351 posts to sections that actually tally the post counts and 1408 posts thanked. How many of those were in OT? 1100? 1200? 1300? More?


      Maybe you don't see any problem with peeps running around the forum with inflated public thanks to post ratios. I think it's an issue than can be easily corrected by stopping the tally from accumulating down here in OT.



      I am not an advocate for misleading value indicators. Period.



      I disagree.... a few abusing the upvote system will not encourage the BS that goes along with an abused thanks button. I know some of you clamored for a downvote button, now that is a feature request that could be abused beyond belief, not to mention the fact that it can be very detrimental to the community.



      No you can't. You have yet to make a single argument how the thanks button increases best thread visibility for the community viewership at large. The thanks button was not getting the job done and an upvote function has been added.
      I never had any intention of arguing that the thanks button increases "best thread visibility".

      In fact, that's my point. The upvote system, if abused, could be a much bigger problem than the thanks button being abused because it does make threads more visible that maybe do not deserve it.

      And let's say that every single one of Tag's thanks came from the OT section. So what? Again, you cannot quantify the harm, if any, that is bringing.

      The only argument that you have made about the thanks button is that some people might have inflated thanks numbers, but what is the actual problem that is causing and how rampant is the problem?

      If it is a trust issues, people trust posters based on their post count too. People might be more likely to trust threads that get upvoted, whether they deserve it or not.

      If you are going to remove the thanks for that reason, I think you need to take the same action against post counts and the upvote system. They are just as misleading as thanks.
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I never had any intention of arguing that the thanks button increases "best thread visibility".
        Of course you didn't, it doesn't.

        In fact, that's my point. The upvote system, if abused, could be a much bigger problem than the thanks button being abused because it does make threads more visible that maybe do not deserve it.
        It does not look like a ton of abuse is occurring to me, maybe you can point us to some of that abuse?

        And let's say that every single one of Tag's thanks came from the OT section. So what? Again, you cannot quantify the harm, if any, that is bringing.
        Yeah, rack up a ton of bogus thanks and then run a WSO. Nope, I can't quantify that.

        The only argument that you have made about the thanks button is that some people might have inflated thanks numbers, but what is the actual problem that is causing and how rampant is the problem?
        It causes more trolling and more flaming when abused, it helps to derail threads, and it confuses some members too.

        If it is a trust issues, people trust posters based on their post count too. People might be more likely to trust threads that get upvoted, whether they deserve it or not.
        If you want to expand this discussion to removing post counts, then by all means, have at it.

        If you are going to remove the thanks for that reason, I think you need to take the same action against post counts and the upvote system. They are just as misleading as thanks.
        Of course you do, you and your friends were clamoring for a downvote button. I have not you heard you clamoring for a no thanks button though.

        Maybe that's your next suggestion thread?

        I think this discussion with you may have run it's course.

        A new study from The Ohio State University suggests that constant – and perhaps undue – praise for our kids’ tiniest accomplishments, or non-accomplishments, may have the unintended side-effect of creating an over-inflated ego. And this can have serious consequences both in childhood and later on in life.

        “Narcissistic children feel superior to others, believe they are entitled to privileges, and crave for constant admiration from others,” study author Eddie Brummelman tells me. “When they fail to obtain the admiration they want, they may lash out aggressively. Narcissistic individuals are also at increased risk to develop addiction. Subgroups of narcissists, especially those with low self-esteem, are at increased risk to develop anxiety and depression.”
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  • Profile picture of the author gotthrowaway
    A potential middle ground: go back to my idea of a "Welcome to Warrior Forum" guide delivered to all registered members. Have a section inside that talks about "thanks" and their intended purpose. You can keep the feature (which cuts down on spam) while warning those who might fall for "inflated" numbers otherwise.

    Those that don't bother reading the guide? Well, they're kinda proving that they aren't going to be diligent with this place from the get go. Can't protect those who don't wanna protect themselves.
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      Originally Posted by gotthrowaway View Post

      A potential middle ground: go back to my idea of a "Welcome to Warrior Forum" guide delivered to all registered members. Have a section inside that talks about "thanks" and their intended purpose. You can keep the feature (which cuts down on spam) while warning those who might fall for "inflated" numbers otherwise.

      Those that don't bother reading the guide? Well, they're kinda proving that they aren't going to be diligent with this place from the get go. Can't protect those who don't wanna protect themselves.
      Hey Mr. Throw Away Account...

      On the rules thread I actually suggested a "Welcome to the Forum" section and a PM blast to members with the rules --> complete with an active compliance button.

      Welcome to the Forum section.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...##post10723618

      PM blast with Compliance button.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...##post10724476

      If the thread was still open, I am sure this discussion could add some value.

      We shall see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    I would want thanks to be receptacles for joy overflowethin', kinda generosity style like Kay said.

    That deal moves shit on, tips stuff forward, irrespective of genre-osity - laughs or advice or cool or whatever, oh c'mon it is way better than mebbe a NAYSAYER SWAT.

    I love that laughs figured in the original incarnationa wantin' sum kinda ground rules for thanks.

    Moment we get all weird about what constitoots a valid reason for wantin' to plant a smacko on someone's cheeks is the day we all turn into robots.

    (If that last line madeya smile, plz thank me, cos I am no more than a shallow vampire desperate for 24/7 acclaim.)

    (If that last line did not makeya smile, then ur mebbe sum kinda withered prune beest of untitivation, lustin' after global downvote wherewithal - neither smitten nor accurately bitten.)

    Hmm. Yeah. Like that is gonna make me frickin' popular round here.

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