WSO Section Clearing Out Quickly

There is very few outright scammers in the WSO forum.

I've bought around 10 or so the the last 3 months because I am very interested in what is going on in the internet marketing field and how I can use that information to benefit my online money making endeavors.

I haven't asked for a single refund from the WSO's I've bought, and most do have a money back guarantee.

There is huge amount of valuable information being given here by super generous Warriors at rock bottom prices ... I love the WSO forum just use commonsense.

I've never bought or sold a WSO, but I would attribute sellers leaving to the decline in traffic and quality. No sense selling to an audience that isn't here. Sellers are using other avenues to promote their products.

Just curios Gambino where are sellers going to promote their products?

It's a very good thing, not only for the WF but the industry as a whole.

If the WF are willing to actually enforce it.

Here's my 0.02


This is an "internet marketing" forum where the majority of people are looking to either make money online or increase their income. No matter how great of a copywriter you are, PROOF is everything.

The way it's headed I just don't see how it's going to work out.

Most of the biggest and best WSO sellers took off long ago. Most successful marketers use their own sales pages and sell through JVZoo and Warrior Plus.

This way there are no limitations. Not allowing income claims is simply not an option for the majority of successful marketers.

"Clearing Out" may be the correct wording to use...very few WSO's have had any posting activity today but the numbers claim 1992 members 'viewing' that section. Sure.

The interface looks more like a feed- looks cleaner but also seems lacking in activity which is not a good sign.

well, a part of me says "good riddance"

that being said, the best looking cakes were not necessarily the best tasting cakes but they were almost always the best selling.

what happens to a cake when you take away its frosting?

what happens to an MMO product when you take away the money claims?

I guess we're going to find out.

-Ike Paz

I've found the new layout in the WSO section is reducing the amount of sales I'm getting sadly.

Most of the "big WSO guys" took off a long time ago and haven't been back. That's not the result of this new policy, but of poor management of this forum from the get-go by Freelancer when they took over.

Opening up the forum to spam and killing off the mods was the beginning of the end. Really stupid decision making ever since.

I think it needs to be consistently enforced!


A handful of scammers have ruined it for the rest of the legitimate wso sellers!


My friend had her wso taken down and she didn't even claim anything well not directly.


In the marketing world we are allowed to put "make up to xxxx"


But even when she put that up, they took it down and the same 5 WSO with that same thing still remain...


...so someone clearly doesn't implement these rules fairly!


I think they should start!

At the very least the WSO sub-forum now looks a lot more modern yet kept the old school functionality.

As for the actual WSOs, haven't browsed them for a long time because it was like dumpster diving. Don't show me how to get rich in a week. Show me something I need (relevant tools, tutorials, etc...), something useful that can be carried over to my own business.

This forum has always been lacking in support for WSO authors, not just Freelancer, it has always been this way where there's not a single tutorial from management that shows WSO authors how to create a good/useful WSO.

Look at BIG brands like Shopify or Envato and how they help authors learn how to create better products based on their own data/sales.

This is an online marketing forum, I don't understand the income rule at all. It doesn't make any sense to me - If I was buying a product to learn how to make money, wouldn't I want to know the product could actually make me money?

It'd be really stupid to buy a product that you don't even know will work for you; and when you're selling information products, proof that the information is valuable is EVERYTHING.

Also, it's a stupid decision for Warriorforum business-wise. They're hurting other people's businesses, which is going to be less business for them.

Just my humble opinion.

Thanks for all the feedback. We are actively cleaning up the marketplace not only for income claims and guarantees but also special characters in titles and other minor things.

This will make the WSO section a lot cleaner and will make the truly great offers rise to the top.

Thanks for the support

In my opinion, income claims are like bait and I am a WSO seller :-)

I'm always against posting income proof anyway haha.

moss: this is a very bad decision. you should not prohibit the income proof. its very important.

as a customer i would like to see the income proof. whether its fake or not. it doesnt matter.

it gives me some sort of comfort regardless.

Also you should remember that there are many dishonest WSO sellers who use this as an excuse when we ask them to show us the income proof. they say that its against the policy to show the income proof.

This policy is against the WSO buyers. it doesnt help the buyers.

Moss, Dan,

Even though I don't like the income claims and guarantees and have said so a number of times, here's a different viewpoint.

Maybe you should listen to this guy instead of those of us trying to build a business or take things seriously because most of us aren't your serious WSO buyers. We buy what we need in a rational manner.

He's not making a penny online (last I knew). Check.
He posts in a bunch of WSOs asking if he has to do any work. He wants autopilot profits without any work or cost. Check.
He's got a bad case of shiny object syndrome. Check.
He has posted about his lack of success and his frustration with none of it working. Check.
If he does buy anything he doesn't work it to the end. Check.

He's your WSO buyer. He's the type that made the WSO forum what it was in the past.

If he wants the comfort of a faked screen shot (he even says faked ones are okay!!!) why not give it to him?

Many of us started out that way but some of us found a different way. Your customer base, currently, is this guy. When he goes away so do the sellers and vice versa.

Mark

PS I'm half way serious with this post. My point is there is still a market, a huge market, for people like him. Maybe it's not here (especially if you want to make things more corporate friendly as mentioned recently) but the buying and selling are going on with or without the WSO forum. The people encouraging rules and limits on guarantees and income claims aren't your typical sellers or buyers - including me.

Well, well, maybe the WF is turning a corner.

Maybe update the smilys next?



This forum still has good bones, in regards to moderation. Some forums have none and attract trolls like a magnet, and others, eventhough they claim to be New Age, are just places where trolls hide to attack anything that goes against mass media, properganda.

The better the evidence the stupider the conversation.

There's a big difference between saying something like "How I made $50,000" and "How YOU can make $50,000". If you tell someone they can make $50,000 in the next week and they follow your advice exactly and don't make $50,000, you're a liar and a thief.

And even if you "made" $50,000 using Warrior Payments, there's still no way to tell if this was profit. Maybe you spent $100,000 on ads. The only real proof is for you to make your tax returns public and even this can be faked.

IMO, claims shouldn't be limited to only income claims. Things like "Get 1000 email subscribers in a week", "Double your conversions", "Make your content go viral" should also be banned unless they can be proven to be the truth and the burden of proof needs to be on the person making the claims.

You don't know what my sales conversions are, so you can't possibly make a claim that I will double them. Same with viral content. Content going viral is beyond a person's control and depends on the actions of other people. You can do things to increase the chances of something going viral, but you can't "make" anything go viral.

Anyone with a little bit of integrity and salesmanship can easily work around these minor issues concerning these types of promises.

I get part of the "Income claim" but trying to understand what constitues income claim. Personally I tried to stay away from putting out any dollar amounts and stuff like that.

But you can't say "Make Money"

I'm seeing posts around me say Make 10,000 dollars or this person makes more money than you...so just trying to figure where my Income claim is located or how extensive I would have to correct it.

New to creating WSOs not new to making money online.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml?view=modern

I might be missing something or is it that strict that you can't say "make money" on a forum designed to show people how to make money. I'm a little lost.

Can anyone help please as I want to be compliant.

Thanks. I hope my latest adjustments will work. I'm not your standard WSO guy. I just learned about 100 practical ways to make money online through trial and error.

I was getting out of a few of my businesses to concentrate on others so thought I'd let folks in on my little secret which ain't a big secret.

Basically you make stuff people want and here is what these particular people want and here is where to find them.

I don't think my WSO will sell that many copies but after buying several WSOs on this site that were featured mine are way better than some of the ones I've bought.

I mean most WSOs here are "Make youtube videos" "Make this type of youtube video""Spam this email list" "Make some funnels"

Mine is straight up, here are some nerds who like stuff, here is where they hang out, and this is what you sell them.

Or here are a bunch of guys who are sitting here looking for this product, they go to 1 of 3 websites to find it and this is what htey want. Bamm!

So hopefully my changes will work. I really want to help some folks out. I teach people in my day to day life how to make money online. It is not that difficult. I know what I want in a WSO and this was it but wow I need to learn alot about marketing this particular stuff.

Thanks for the word of wisdom from You can to You will or vice versa.

I read a couple of posts referencing the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) - thought that anyone reading this thread who is interested in or is actually selling a WSO should read thoroughly before they submit to WF for public consumption:

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/busi...-opportunities

Once on the page, if you do not wish to read the entire page, scroll down to the section titled:

"The earnings claim statement" and ask yourself if your WSO advertisement complies with what the FTC is looking for?

You guys don't get it. This is not about income claim like : You will make $5000 in 2 days.

This is about stupid general stuff...I got mine removed because I needed to remove "You will finally start making money online" ....like...really warrior forum?

They told me they will put it back when I removed it. I'm not sure I will continue to advertise here though.

Here is the thing...As people have mentioned, most people that are actually making money left this forum already. Why? Because they can't advertise properly anymore. I made a thread not so long ago with a step by step method on how to make money online. It was legit a huge post full of value, but it got removed because I have a link in my signature. They came to the conclusion that I did this for publicity.

Hum...

mmm..

OF COURSE I DID IT FOR PUBLICITY. You think I'm going to do all of this and not at least get a few opt-ins in exchange of all this value????? Really warrior forum?

This is why all of the big shots left this place. They need an incentive.

It's an exchange of value. They offer value, but in exchange they get opt-ins and they sell their WSO. That's how life works. The seller is happy, and the newbie is happy because he learns how to make money online. You guys remember this is an online marketing forum right?

When I got started online I literally learned EVERYTHING on this forum. I bought 5-10 WSO and most of them were really good, some average and like one or two absolutely sucked. I got a refund on these two. Would I recommend to newbies to buy a WSO? Absolutely because as I said most of them were good. If you buy one that is not good, just get a refund, it's this simple.

People that say they stay away from the WSO section are often people with thousands of posts that are not making money online anyways. They never bought one and they have no idea what they are talking about. Facts.

Also, the traffic went WAYYYYYYY DOWNNNNN. Most WSO are barely breaking even and they need to make their money on the back-end. But as time goes, the traffic goes down and down and down.

So to recap,

1) The new rules are a joke. How can you advertise an online marketing product if you cannot say : You will finally make money online? Really, just think about it. Think about how dumb it is.
2)Traffic went way down, so there is no point for someone that makes a lot of money online to come here at all. We need an incentive.
3)Same with the thread postings. We get accused of promoting all the time when we have a signature. Guess what, WE ARE PROMOTING. Why would we post if we can't even get an optin? Think about it for real. You think we come here to volunteer? Get real.


Basically, traffic is down, new tules are a joke, and that means less and less people that know how to actually make cash online and the quality of the information will be really, really bad. Good luck

Lol I've had both of my WSO's suspended for

"Even my gran could make income"
"You could start making money tomorrow"

Hmmm it's pretty frustrating when you pay for threads and nobody sees them, feel robbed.

Meanwhile - in the main forum section - mods are "approving" posts where new members promote their sites....or review products....

What they did in the WSO section was to create a rule they didn't clarify - so some days it's ignored - and some days over enforced. And they still don't know how their own rule should be defined and applied.

It's turning into a ghost town in that section.

If you can't mention 'money' in a forum about making money....what's the point of selling in that forum?

The WSO section has gotten worse. Today, many new members have no idea who they can even research to find something to get them started. And, as stated multiple times, this rule was okay for a day now it's not, thing, discourages reputable sellers.

People come here looking for help and it's so hard to find it now. Make the rules clean and concise. Heck, I'm tired of jumping through hoops around here just to read a few threads.

I guess what we will have to do is learn how to adapt to survive. And by survive I mean make money.

There is definitely still plenty of traffic to be had in the WSO section, so maybe all these hoops to jump through will serve as a barrier to entry, where only the strong will survive and make the sales.

Discrat - check this out http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml?view=modern

We can't make tenous claims to making some kind of profit, but check out this guys sales copy! This poor sod will wake up tommorow to see the thread suspended after one day.

I think for an income claim to be scientific you need to provide data on the percentage of people who made back more than they invested or some Sh*t like that, which you would have no way of finding out by releasing WSO's.

So yeh, you cant really do em anymore...

I've always been against income guarantees and most income claims simply because they aren't believable. I mean with some of these sales letters they ought to show this stuff to congress and we would settle our national debt and get every citizen a dang good income with no problem.

On the other hand, taking away the ability to say things like "you can finally break through and make the money you've been working for" I think is wrong and will hurt the WSO forum.

Imagine a weight loss forum that denied weight loss ads that said anything like "you can finally get rid of those inches". Or what about a computer forum denying a computer ad "get more speed with this software program"?

And, if management is going to make others live by this rule, it would be good for them to set the example. I just received an email from them selling an offer talking about earning $60,000 in a month and similar amounts every month.

While getting rid of extreme and exact claims and guarantees is good, getting rid of these mild ones is going to hurt more than help in my opinion.

Mark

Im trying to figure out why your wso gets approved, goes through the critiquing process where they ask you to change things, gets re-approved and then after NO CHANGES are made the mods hit you with more edits that need to be made.

It seems as if there is absolutely no structure or note taking when it comes to changes. Either that or it's personal.....