2010 Bringing Out the Worst in Us?

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Anyone else noticing a lot of people posting threads 'out of character' lately?

I don't know... I've just been seeing a lot of angry posts. Though they tend to be entertaining, I'm wondering what the heck's going on.

Anyone else think we should bring back the political discussions to lighten the tone around here? JK



Mods: I mistakenly posted a similar thread in the main forum. Sorry.
  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    I can't say that I've noticed this. At least, not from members that I feel I know. I've seen some trollish behavior but not in older members.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, there WERE some people that tried to skirt by the rules. And apparently they have a number of "puppets". Paul Myers wrote a number of posts about that. Anyway, all that encourages MORE to happen.

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    • Profile picture of the author FreeAgent13
      We're only 5 days into 2010. Give it some time. Anyways, it's a cold winter and people tend to be less friendly in cold weather.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Michael, I honestly haven't noticed.

        Can't be me...I'm always an ornery SOB.

        Actually, my New Year's resolution was to be kinder to people.

        We'll see how long it lasts.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I haven't seen it either --
    Steve......see why I love the nonsenseical threads? LOL.

    I haven't seen ya posting down here Mike....are you talking about the main forum or do you see it in here too?

    I'd love to see politics back in here.........hey, if people are perceived as angry anyways what'll be the difference? We've already raked, folded, spindled, and mutilated each other to the best of our abilities so there's not much new we can say to piss each other off at this point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    I guess it's just the threads I've been look at... Heck, maybe it's just me.

    Nonsensical??? Are you saying I don't make any sense?!?

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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Michael, I'm not sure about 2010, but the last few months of 2009 were quite hot in the copywriting forum, not sure if anyone was watching that soap opera over there... quite entertaining, but very appalling as well.

    I'm not sure people who bicker and fight in an open forum realize how much they are hurting their business/reputation in a major way.

    John Taylor broke up The Copywriters Brawl, with his post: http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...-heads-up.html but the severe damage was already done at that point.

    As Steven W. says quite often, "I now know who NOT to do business with."

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Damn. I missed it all! Can you post some links to some of the greatest brawls? Especially the appalling ones. :-p

      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      Michael, I'm not sure about 2010, but the last few months of 2009 were quite hot in the copywriting forum, not sure if anyone was watching that soap opera over there... quite entertaining, but very appalling as well.

      I'm not sure people who bicker and fight in an open forum realize how much they are hurting their business/reputation in a major way.

      John Taylor broke up The Copywriters Brawl, with his post: http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...-heads-up.html but the severe damage was already done at that point.

      As Steven W. says quite often, "I now know who NOT to do business with."

      .jrd


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      • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        What you fail to mention though Jared is how pretty
        much everyone pulled together in the Copywriting
        Forum afterwards.
        Good point Mark,

        I did forget to mention that and it was very refreshing to see everyone pull together in the end.

        Here's to 2010 bringing out the Best in everyone!
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      I'm not sure people who bicker and fight in an open forum realize how much they are hurting their business/reputation in a major way.
      I rarely read that section, however, I did happen to see a few threads when that was all taking place and I completely agree with your above post.

      I haven't had to hire a copywriter as yet, although I was planning to at one point but after reading through that section I decided against it.

      I read through two or maybe three threads and started thinking to myself, if these guys are all bitching and bickering over the most ridiculous of things, what are they going to be like to work with?

      When I do need to hire a copywriter/s in the coming months I'm definitely going to be skeptical of posting in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    As Steven W. says quite often, "I now know who NOT to do business with."

    .jrd
    That's why I always valued the OT forum -- people are more themselves in here and talk more about their life views in general.......and as a result of the play, you get an idea of who you would really like to partner with.

    Steve can back me up on that one right now 100% as we have about the most unlikely project ever going on and it was really unlikely that either of us would have met heads via business alone. Now that project might just end up being nothing but a really fun and interesting experiment since we are both just way out of the water into areas we have never been before......but the point is, we'd never gotten together on such an endeavor through business talk alone. Sometimes you have to go where people are being themselves to see who they really are underneath all the business decorum..or lack thereof.
    Just sayin' .........
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      That's why I always valued the OT forum -- people are more themselves in here and talk more about their life views in general.......and as a result of the play, you get an idea of who you would really like to partner with.

      Steve can back me up on that one right now 100% as we have about the most unlikely project ever going on and it was really unlikely that either of us would have met heads via business alone. Now that project might just end up being nothing but a really fun and interesting experiment since we are both just way out of the water into areas we have never been before......but the point is, we'd never gotten together on such an endeavor through business talk alone. Sometimes you have to go where people are being themselves to see who they really are underneath all the business decorum..or lack thereof.
      Just sayin' .........
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      Truth is, it's been years since I have collaborated with anybody and in
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      And who knows...stranger things have hit it big.

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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    hey...its a new decade...we all have our ghosts from 2000-2009 to let out somewhere

    I guess a lot of people are angry because the world is still messed up, the economy is still a mess, there are even more terrorist attacks, and they just broke their new year's resolution
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  • Profile picture of the author rctelles
    Im the new kid on the block. One thing Ive noticed for sure, and it may be psychological, is that almost everyone is pretty confident that 2010 and beyond is their time to shine. I guess 2009 seems like the bottom of the barrel for a lot people. Just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Can you imagine me and Sal at the Grammy Awards excepting our
    trophy?

    Boy...will THAT be a sight.
    Well, gee Steve - I already know what I'm gonna wear!


    My point in all this is that we used to talk politics in here - and there were many disagreements.... Some of us said things that really upset other people and Steve and I had a disagreement..........yet, we were able to still appreciate each other enough to continue on and actually probably understand each other much better than we'd have just talking business. Other people have said things that I disagree with on a level that I would never consider doing business with them.

    That's all good though - because it's like that in the real world, too. There are people in your own town you wouldn't consider doing business with....because you know them.

    For some reason people are just extremely upset by any disagreement and feel that everything always has to go along smoothly. The truth is that it isn't when things are going smoothly that we learn the most important things about each other.

    Sometimes arguments get out of hand and need to be shut down, but that doesn't mean we are always at our best when being on our best behavior either.

    Maybe the disagreements are becoming pronounced now because it's a new year and a new decade - and we are facing hard times. People are generally re-thinking their positions on a lot of issues and directions they want to take.

    It's all good. People will continue to agree or disagree, get to know each other and decide who they wanna work with and who they don't. We don't have to be as cohesive as a church choir for the world to run just fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Geez I thought I was being kinder in recent months.
      Heck when was the last time I told someone to bite my shiny metal ass
      There are a couple here in the OT that I have lost some respect for because of their postings though.
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