Dad Gets Revenge On FaceBook

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I had to laugh when I saw this...

Maybe it's just the parent in me. :p


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  • Profile picture of the author evawj
    Am so sorry,so sad hopefully she's learnt her lesson.
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    • Profile picture of the author VipsK
      Good on you daddy! That is just lovely - revenge is sweet - seems my (now grown up) kids where not alone in their bad and disrespectful behavior!

      They did also learn the facts about 'cause & effect' - cause trouble/hurt etc, then the effect is grounded/no pay/no dinner etc.....that is life after all!

      Most of todays kids really will have a great chock when they leave their cottonwool life behind and get out into real life!
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      • Profile picture of the author shalz15jan
        Originally Posted by VipsK View Post

        Good on you daddy! That is just lovely - revenge is sweet - seems my (now grown up) kids where not alone in their bad and disrespectful behavior!

        They did also learn the facts about 'cause & effect' - cause trouble/hurt etc, then the effect is grounded/no pay/no dinner etc.....that is life after all!

        Most of todays kids really will have a great chock when they leave their cottonwool life behind and get out into real life!
        Even I am feeling the same. Sometimes kids don't realize how they hurt their parents but their exposure to real life soon makes them realize. At the same time, destroying the laptop wasn't really a solution to the problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          destroying the laptop wasn't really a solution to the problem.
          I suspect no-one will know if that's true for quite a while. Including Dad and daughter.


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  • Profile picture of the author stephngreek
    Lol, Opps ...........
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    How can he let a good laptop go to waste???? I would have put it on Ebay and sold it instead
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      How can he let a good laptop go to waste???? I would have put it on Ebay and sold it instead
      Haha Sheryl,

      That's just the entrepreneur in you shining through.

      I thought...Well, there goes the girl's chance of ever having a date! Dad just scared off every boy in the state, lol!

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Haha Sheryl,

        That's just the entrepreneur in you shining through.

        I thought...Well, there goes the girl's chance of ever having a date! Dad just scared off every boy in the state, lol!

        Terra
        Best advice for Dads who are meeting that "first" boy over to take out his baby girl?

        Shoot him. Word gets around.
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        • Profile picture of the author InWait
          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Best advice for Dads who are meeting that "first" boy over to take out his baby girl?

          Shoot him. Word gets around.
          Frame the laptop and make it one of the first things boys see when they come into the house. Show them that daddy don't play around.
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          • Profile picture of the author bhl2506
            Originally Posted by InWait View Post

            Frame the laptop and make it one of the first things boys see when they come into the house. Show them that daddy don't play around.

            +1 for Dad.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Dave,
          Best advice for Dads who are meeting that "first" boy over to take out his baby girl?
          "I'll just be sitting here,
          Cleaning this gun."

          Go DAD!
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Dave,"I'll just be sitting here,
            Cleaning my gun."

            Go DAD!
            Paul,

            Okay, now you sound like my dad, lol!

            He was an avid hunter and loved to go to the shooting range or out in the fields and shoot clay pigeons. He had guns of all shapes and sizes.

            I can't tell you how many boys he chased off just by doing that very thing right out on the front porch "coincidentally" at the time they were supposed to arrive.

            Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Dave,"I'll just be sitting here,
            Cleaning my gun."

            Go DAD!

            About a father threatening BOYS to make them have respect for his DAUGHTER!

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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Steve,

              I've never heard this before most likely because I'm not a real fan of country music, but I love this!

              It reminds me so much of my dad and the timing is perfect. This Valentine's Day will be the 4th anniversary of his passing. Thank you so much for the fond memories this brought back.

              Who knew, huh?

              Terra
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                Steve,

                I've never heard this before most likely because I'm not a real fan of country music, but I love this!

                It reminds me so much of my dad and the timing is perfect. This Valentine's Day will be the 4th anniversary of his passing. Thank you so much for the fond memories this brought back.

                Who knew, huh?

                Terra
                Yeah, my tastes are kind of eclectic, but I haven't listened to country much. 6-( Since I moved here, about 12 years ago, IT is one of the most popular genres of music here, and I have listened to it a LOT. THIS is one of the more popular songs right now.

                It is a little off topic here, but I will show you a country video I LOVE! They tricked the girl into thinking that they were just WAITING for the crew to be ready for her father, but they had the cameras trained on her and her father! So it is REAL! It's a pitty that the best one has so many ads. 8-(


                Country music has been maligned so much, when much of it IS nice, even some of the funniest and silliest ones have a nice story, and moral, like:


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    • Profile picture of the author Shift23
      Maybe this was needed since she obviously didn't learn the first time round.

      But at least by selling it on Ebay he's make the $135 back that he spent
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    • Profile picture of the author revstan
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      How can he let a good laptop go to waste???? I would have put it on Ebay and sold it instead
      This is much more fun :p

      Simplestan
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    I had to laugh when I saw this...

    Maybe it's just the parent in me. :p



    The eternal battle between parents and offspring goes on. LOL!

    She was very, very disrespectful in her letter.

    Destroying the laptop was super silly IMHO and indicates that they are in a very decent financial situation.

    So...

    Does she really need to get a job?

    IMHO doing her schoolwork well, and the chores around the house are more than enough to do for any teenager - unless the family disparately needs the extra income or she wants extra money to spend.

    If she does gets a job, it must not interfere with her school work.

    Why should a parent get up for a cup of coffee when a youngster is around to do it instead?

    Let's pray the girl does not do anything harmful to herself.

    All The Best!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Does she really need to get a job?
      The father might just be trying to instill a sense of work ethic in the girl.
      From her letter, she seems to have a bit of an entitlement issue.

      That and he's pissed.

      Just my two cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I'm with you on hoping she isn't so devastated that she does something harmful to herself!

      I personally am against public humiliation as a form of discipline, but there are some that come at it from the vein of let the punishment fit the crime.

      One thing is certain though, this definitely will not help their obviously strained relationship.

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        It's incredible how fast the view count on that video is rising.


        I imagine right about now he's wishing he had done it a bit differently.

        His facebook page mentions that he's not about to do any interviews at all. He doesn't want his daughter to think that it's ok to profit from something like this.

        Also - here's his story about how she got caught:

        "HOW SHE GOT CAUGHT: The Dog Did It.. no, really.

        I finally came out and told her this today, partly because it was too funny NOT to share.

        When my daughter made her post, she used Facebook's privacy settings to block "Family" and "Church" friend's lists. All her other friends could see it. We, of course could not.


        One of our dogs is always getting in photos and therefore has her own Facebook pa
        ...ge. It's just a cute dumb thing we did for fun. Well, the dog's profile is rarely used except when funny pictures of her are posted. Since that's not too often, and she has very few friends on Facebook, her wall is kind of bare, with relatively few posts showing up on it.

        The other night we gave the dog a bath and there was a funny photo we uploaded to Facebook and tagged her in. I logged in as the dog the next morning to comment on the photo. However when I logged into the dog's profile, my daughter had forgotten to add her to the "family" list.... so our family dog's profile showed her post right there on the front page.

        It wasn't any parent-hacking, computer spying, or monitoring of any kind.. the dog actually ratted her out completely by accident. She hasn't petted that dog all day today..."
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          It's incredible how fast the view count on that video is rising.
          OMGosh! This video now has 2,166,590 views in just 2 days!

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            OMGosh! This video now has 2,166,590 views in just 2 days!

            Terra
            WOW... I think i just had an idea for a viral video! LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Wow Sal,

        My parents forbade me to get a job at that age too even though all of my friends were.

        They told me that these years were going to be the ones I looked back upon as some of the best when I was older, so I needed to enjoy them and have fun.

        I had my share of chores to do though before I could have that fun!

        And I have a very good work ethic. There are other ways to instill that in children, IMHO.

        Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    TL - that's what bugged me "You are 15...." then harping on her to get a job. Other than something like occasionally babysitting, why should a kid that age have to work for a living. Let her be a kid for awhile. My parents wouldn't ALLOW me to get a job when I was in school.

    While it was kinda funny that the little twit got caught -- did you hear the list that daddy rattled off about what he was doing at her age? Not everyone could handle that kind of load. I'm getting the feel that he is more than hard to live with and I'm looking forward to the girl getting pregnant to get out from under him.

    Since he's so high intensity have to be busy every minute of your life, maybe he could have been teaching her to build a website and a business online - teach her about always having at least a bit of business demeanor online and keeping the personal rants that could reflect negatively off the net.

    I can see how he'd be ticked off about that letter - but he just further enslaved a girl that feels she's being used as a maid. Much better he could have sat down and talked to her about all they do for her and why being a team player in the family makes her feel so bad. He definitely should go a different route about making a 15 year old girl get a job. If she says she's that tired, there might be something wrong with her. She might just not have his extreme energy level. There's a lot of people that couldn't keep up with that guy - but they aren't "lazy".

    Sorry redneck daddy - FAIL.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The eternal battle between parents and offspring goes on. LOL!

      She was very, very disrespectful in her letter.

      Destroying the laptop was super silly IMHO and indicates that they are in a very decent financial situation.

      So...

      Does she really need to get a job?

      IMHO doing her schoolwork well, and the chores around the house are more than enough to do for any teenager - unless the family disparately needs the extra income or she wants extra money to spend.

      If she does gets a job, it must not interfere with her school work.

      Why should a parent get up for a cup of coffee when a youngster is around to do it instead?

      Let's pray the girl does not do anything harmful to herself.

      All The Best!!

      TL
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      TL - that's what bugged me "You are 15...." then harping on her to get a job. Other than something like occasionally babysitting, why should a kid that age have to work for a living. Let her be a kid for awhile. My parents wouldn't ALLOW me to get a job when I was in school.

      While it was kinda funny that the little twit got caught -- did you hear the list that daddy rattled off about what he was doing at her age? Not everyone could handle that kind of load. I'm getting the feel that he is more than hard to live with and I'm looking forward to the girl getting pregnant to get out from under him.

      Since he's so high intensity have to be busy every minute of your life, maybe he could have been teaching her to build a website and a business online - teach her about always having at least a bit of business demeanor online and keeping the personal rants that could reflect negatively off the net.

      I can see how he'd be ticked off about that letter - but he just further enslaved a girl that feels she's being used as a maid. Much better he could have sat down and talked to her about all they do for her and why being a team player in the family makes her feel so bad. He definitely should go a different route about making a 15 year old girl get a job. If she says she's that tired, there might be something wrong with her. She might just not have his extreme energy level. There's a lot of people that couldn't keep up with that guy - but they aren't "lazy".

      Sorry redneck daddy - FAIL.
      /rant on
      For once I completely disagree with you Sal, she should get a job to learn values. And if she is bitching about having to sweep a floor and wipe a counter,she obviously is in need of a good ass whooping too. Kids these days are spoiled rotten. A waste of a good laptop? The only reason a kid of 15 would need a laptop is if the school required them,which in itself is ridiculous in my opinion. Why aren't they actually learning anything in school anymore? Because they dont have to.
      I posted this video on my Facebook earlier today, those of you that are on my list probably have already seen it.
      Father fail? Not in the least bit. I applaud him and any other parent,man or woman that actually is trying to teach there child how to live in the real world!

      My children never had a laptop till they were in college. They had a desktop that they shared. And on that desktop was a monitoring program I installed to see what they actually did.
      At one point I had to tell my wife about some bad behavior. She didn't believe me,then I showed her. Boy were her eyes opened.
      These sweet little children that everyone says "well,that kid did it but mine never would" really need to get a grip on reality.
      /rant off

      /rant on
      TL,
      If he felt it was appropriate to destroy the laptop,what difference does it make? He bought it,she didn't. And this was not the first time she had exhibited bad behavior. And what if he is in a very decent financial situation? I think he made his point very well. It seems some here think her behavior is ok. I don't.
      "MHO doing her schoolwork well, and the chores around the house are more than enough to do for any teenager - unless the family disparately needs the extra income or she wants extra money to spend."

      Oh get a grip. The only point in this statement I agree with is if she wants spending money. Yes she should earn itif she wants it. She has obviously had had so many things handed to her that she knows the value of nothing.

      "Why should a parent get up for a cup of coffee when a youngster is around to do it instead?"
      You have no clue what that was about. Maybe it was something like "since your in the kitchen will you bring me a cup of coffee? I asked my kids that plenty of times and they never had a issue with it.

      As far as "Let's pray the girl does not do anything harmful to herself."

      I certainly hope not too,but if she does I would blame the society she is being raised in, not the parents.
      /rant off

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      PS: I was working at about age 10 too. I have been (until I was diagnosed with kidney failure,which has taken me out of the work force for 5 years) in the work forcefor almost 48 years.Take away the 5 that makes me making my own money for 43 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Terra,
      Come to think of it, looking back, the few guys that didn't hightail it and run turned out to be decent upstanding guys, but a lot of the ones who ran ended up being hooligans, trouble makers or did some jail time.
      People forget... Dads were the same age at one point. They know what's going on. My Dad didn't need a gun, though. My sister has four brothers, and we were scary enough.

      Steve,
      About a father threatening BOYS to make them have respect for his DAUGHTER!
      I wondered who'd catch the reference.

      Sal,
      he just further enslaved a girl that feels she's being used as a maid
      Did you listen through to the point where he listed her actual "chores?" A whopping great 15 minutes, on a bad day. "Enslaved?"

      Wow. Just... wow.

      Think for a moment about how the young lady set that up. She addressed it to her father, but made it viewable to everyone BUT her family. That was worse than disrespectful, Sal. That was deliberately destructive.

      If there's anything I like less than premeditated stupidity and casual rudeness, it's malicious destruction.

      I think Dad's answer was exactly the right response.


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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Terra,People forget... Dads were the same age at one point. They know what's going on. My Dad didn't need a gun, though. My sister has four brothers, and we were scary enough.

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        Haha! I wish I would have had some big brothers to watch out for me.

        Hubby never had a gun either, but he just has this look that is super intimidating. The kids came to call it his evil eye and they still stop dead in their tracks when they see it even though they're grown now.

        One of my girls even uses it as a warning method with her kids. "Do you want me to tell Papa?" Amazingly, it works, lol!

        Never has on me though!

        I watched some boys literally break out in a sweat when they came calling on one of our girls and had to meet "dad" first. It was fun to watch adam's apples slide up and down in their throats too.

        Terra
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          @ Kay

          Well said!

          We had a schedule set up on the home PC and not only did the kids have a scheduled time to be on the computer, but timed sessions too.

          It was located in the family room where everyone was. They were monitored quite consistently. If they asked for more time, their dad would look and see not only what they were doing at that time, but also what they had been doing prior to it.

          Sometimes they were allowed more time and sometimes not.

          Either way, parents need to get back to strict discipline like this dad showed but make sure that their lives are sprinkled with praise, encouragement, love, quality one on one time, and some fun too.

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            @ Kay

            Well said!

            We had a schedule set up on the home PC and not only did the kids have a scheduled time to be on the computer, but timed sessions too.

            It was located in the family room where everyone was. They were monitored quite consistently. If they asked for more time, their dad would look and see not only what they were doing at that time, but also what they had been doing prior to it.

            Sometimes they were allowed more time and sometimes not.

            Either way, parents need to get back to strict discipline like this dad showed but make sure that their lives are sprinkled with praise, encouragement, love, quality one on one time, and some fun too.

            Terra
            My step daughter (16) has her own laptop, but she knows my capabilities in finding stuff if I want. Plus, we have access to all of her accounts (unless she's hiding something, which I doubt).

            Even her phone - since it is under my account, she is convinced that not only can I see who she's texting (which is what she does 97% of the time on the phone as opposed to talking), I also have her convinced that I can actually read the texts she sends and receives if I wanted to. I can't of course... but she doesn't need to know that
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              My step daughter (16) has her own laptop, but she knows my capabilities in finding stuff if I want. Plus, we have access to all of her accounts (unless she's hiding something, which I doubt).

              Even her phone - since it is under my account, she is convinced that not only can I see who she's texting (which is what she does 97% of the time on the phone as opposed to talking), I also have her convinced that I can actually read the texts she sends and receives if I wanted to. I can't of course... but she doesn't need to know that
              Haha, I love it!

              Back before we had all of these electronic devices, I couldn't do anything without my parents knowing it.

              I always asked them how they knew and they would always say, "A little birdie told me."

              I soon discovered that our quaint little close knit subdivision nestled up against the lake was really like a Purple Martin's birdhouse with every living quarter containing a "birdie", lol!

              I guess that was back in the day when people still lived by "it takes a village to raise a child."

              Privacy settings weren't an option, haha!

              Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Terra,People forget... Dads were the same age at one point. They know what's going on. My Dad didn't need a gun, though. My sister has four brothers, and we were scary enough.

        Steve,I wondered who'd catch the reference.

        Sal,Did you listen through to the point where he listed her actual "chores?" A whopping great 15 minutes, on a bad day. "Enslaved?"

        Wow. Just... wow.

        Think for a moment about how the young lady set that up. She addressed it to her father, but made it viewable to everyone BUT her family. That was worse than disrespectful, Sal. That was deliberately destructive.

        If there's anything I like less than premeditated stupidity and casual rudeness, it's malicious destruction.

        I think Dad's answer was exactly the right response.


        Paul
        I agree it was excessively stupid for her to go online. But I've seen over-achieving daddy's and what they expect from kids. I had friends who never got to do anything because of parents who thought they were giving the kids "a few chores". They worked from the time they got home from school til they went to bed and nothing was ever enough. Those are the kids that went through my mind when I read this one. So if dad is being honest, then my perspective on the issue changes - if she is being honest, I stand by what I said.

        I have an ex whose sister ran a daycare out of her home. She grounded her kids every chance she got for any excuse she could find just so they would have to stay home and do HER job. Parent's aren't always the ones who are right. Some kids just stink, but so do some adults. I'm not in favor of the way the guy handled the situation either way. Had my father ever done that to me, we'd still not be speaking -- but then again, I'd have never have pulled a stunt like that either. She deserved some serious consequences for that one. I just would have handled it a lot differently.

        In the long run it doesn't matter what the hell I think. What matters is that the two of them can interact without major trauma.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          But I've seen over-achieving daddy's and what they expect from kids. <snip>
          I have no idea if he's an over achieving daddy himself, but I know what you mean. I believe in providing the means for a children to become themselves rather than trying to forcefully mold them into something.
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            I believe in providing the means for a children to become themselves rather than trying to forcefully mold them into something.
            But many people now days don't know how to properly provide that means. There's a difference between letting a child grow into their own personality, and simply not providing them boundaries and discipline. You can still let a child be his/her own person and STILL provide them with boundaries and discipline.

            And in reality it's those that grew up without proper boundaries that end up confused about who they are and how to get what they really want. Because they are eventually thrust into a world where rules and boundaries actually mean consequences. And they don't know how to properly deal with that.
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            • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              But many people now days don't know how to properly provide that means. There's a difference between letting a child grow into their own personality, and simply not providing them boundaries and discipline. You can still let a child be his/her own person and STILL provide them with boundaries and discipline.
              I agree. "Lord of the Flies" style parenting is not a good idea, lol. Providing them with boundaries and discipline is part of providing the means for them to become themselves.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              But many people now days don't know how to properly provide that means. There's a difference between letting a child grow into their own personality, and simply not providing them boundaries and discipline. You can still let a child be his/her own person and STILL provide them with boundaries and discipline.

              And in reality it's those that grew up without proper boundaries that end up confused about who they are and how to get what they really want. Because they are eventually thrust into a world where rules and boundaries actually mean consequences. And they don't know how to properly deal with that.

              I agree Gary!

              Sometimes I compare raising a child to growing a flowering bush from a seed.

              You plant the seed in the best environment for growth, you water it, feed it and smile as it begins to grow. You shower it with love and eventually you take pride in the bush as it shows signs of maturing as it spreads out it branches, but sometimes that growth gets crazy and you have to prune it back. If you don't, it will eventually grow wild, will never produce and be found undesirable!

              Sure pruning may hurt, but it is necessary and essential for proper growth.

              Okay, simple analogy, I know, but I think it makes some valid points.

              Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Terra - I was having fun trying to picture you being the parent in the film. "Soccer mom goes postal". LMAO. Not sure what happened to you, girl - - but I'll never understand how we could grow up in the same place and you managed not to get one tad of redneck in you. That's just not normal.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Bwaa Haaa forces itself out of my mouth along with my coffee!

      Thanks girlfriend! :p

      Terra

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Terra - I was having fun trying to picture you being the parent in the film. "Soccer mom goes postal". LMAO. Not sure what happened to you, girl - - but I'll never understand how we could grow up in the same place and you managed not to get one tad of redneck in you. That's just not normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I started working after school at age 13, and wouldn't trade that time for anything. It prepared me for real life. While my friends struggled trying to work and do college at the same time, it was already an easy part of my routine. Plus it taught me a certain respect for other working people, that most teenagers don't have at all.

    I think I may have actually had more fun than most of my friends in the college years, because I wasn't so stressed about working after school.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yoseff
    I think all kids need a job at 15 - 16. Nothing crazy but working at the mall or a grocery store 10- 15 hours a weeks lets them have extra money to blow with their friends, teaches responsibility and work ethic, and helps show the true "value" of money (aka it doesn't grow on trees). My parents provided above and beyond what I "needed" but for what I "wanted" I had to work, in high school and college.

    Shooting the laptop may have been a bit extream (I would have sold it, or dontated it to goodwill or something) but either way, I agree she needs to have some stiff consequences for her actions and his video will prove his point.

    I'm a firm beleiver in the punishment should fit the crime (a problem with our society, but thats another topic), if she embarrassed her family with a online post, she should be embarrassed by one. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime, and if she can't deal with that she has bigger issues than just missing out on video chat each night with her friends.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    I had my first job at 10 (paper route) and have always did some type of job growing up. I too think it's helped my work ethic.

    But that may not be the right answer for everyone. Also, there's more than one work ethic...

    My 16 year old step daughter does not have a job during the school year (except some babysitting). She is a junior and gets pretty much straight A's, and is on the honor roll. My wife and I consider that her #1 job. But she also takes it seriously. She "works" every night - not just doing her homework, but doing it very well, going the extra mile. And her SATs are in June, yet she has been studying since after the holidays (most every night). She also does the extra cirricular stuff that's important for college. In fact, she has her college plan all laid out.

    In the summer, she finds a job. This is what works for her. Nothing wrong with her work ethic. AND, she has a boyfriend and a ton of friends (a social life, in other words).

    She'll do well. She's on the right path.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      I had my first job at 10 (paper route) and have always did some type of job growing up. I too think it's helped my work ethic.

      But that may not be the right answer for everyone. Also, there's more than one work ethic...

      My 16 year old step daughter does not have a job during the school year (except some babysitting). She is a junior and gets pretty much straight A's, and is on the honor roll. My wife and I consider that her #1 job. But she also takes it seriously. She "works" every night - not just doing her homework, but doing it very well, going the extra mile. And her SATs are in June, yet she has been studying since after the holidays (most every night). She also does the extra cirricular stuff that's important for college. In fact, she has her college plan all laid out.

      In the summer, she finds a job. This is what works for her. Nothing wrong with her work ethic. AND, she has a boyfriend and a ton of friends (a social life, in other words).

      She'll do well. She's on the right path.
      I too worked for special things I wanted, however not not in the work force. My parents would find extra large projects for me to do if I wanted a high ticket item over and beyond what my allowance would cover.

      I also learned the value of a dollar with my allowance. For instance, if I went and bought a bunch of candy and snacks from the small party store at the end of our road, then told Dad that I wanted a new album, then he'd say, what about your allowance? If I told him it was gone, he'd say sorry to hear that. Perhaps you should have thought about the album before you blew your allowance. If I still had my allowance, but was a little short, he'd give me the difference.

      I participated in sports all through out school and during the summer, which also helped me develop discipline and responsibility.

      So, as I said, there are other ways to teach children work ethics and the value of a dollar. I'm not saying one is right over the other, I'm just saying there is more than one way.

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    Harsh dad.
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  • Profile picture of the author bailbondsguys
    Awesome, haha. Kids these days are spoiled. I grew up in a military family and we were told to do things we believed were pointless all the time, however we still did them. Why? Because it's the chain of command.
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  • Profile picture of the author InWait
    I kind of remember those years. Claims of feeling like a slave, fighting over who was going to do what chores, thinking I knew better at times. But I would have never dared to talk to/about my parents that way. Even my little sister who's more disrespectful than I ever was isn't that bad (though I sometimes feel like bopping her over the head or something).

    The girl is a typical teen who needed a reality check. Sometimes kids need a little bit of a shock. Just hopefully the father is able to do some kind of follow up to his tough love approach so they don't end up with a permanent wedge in between them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I certainly don't think it has done much for the father/daughter relationship. Right now, I'm sure she absolutely HATES her Dad!

    I never had a job until I was 17 but...... back in my days we didn't have XBox's, Laptops, Playstations and all the other stuff that kids have these days. My oldest boy is 14 and has an Xbox and constantly wants new games or new upgrades or new controllers, etc. and of course, expects us to pay for it all. So although I never had a job until I was 17, I am happy for my 14 year old to get himself a job after school if he wants to buy all this stuff. I didn't have as many 'wants' as him at that age but kids these days want everything.

    I certainly wouldn't expect him to get a job to earn his food or rent at his age, but I think it is good for them to get a job if they want all these games, etc that kids want these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      I certainly don't think it has done much for the father/daughter relationship. Right now, I'm sure she absolutely HATES her Dad!

      I never had a job until I was 17 but...... back in my days we didn't have XBox's, Laptops, Playstations and all the other stuff that kids have these days. My oldest boy is 14 and has an Xbox and constantly wants new games or new upgrades or new controllers, etc. and of course, expects us to pay for it all. So although I never had a job until I was 17, I am happy for my 14 year old to get himself a job after school if he wants to buy all this stuff. I didn't have as many 'wants' as him at that age but kids these days want everything.

      I certainly wouldn't expect him to get a job to earn his food or rent at his age, but I think it is good for them to get a job if they want all these games, etc that kids want these days.

      Actually, you should go to his FB page and read some updates According to him they've already talked it through, and she read many of the responses and shakes her head and has said it seemed to affect many of the people commenting more than it affected her. She got a kick out of the ones who said she was gonna go be a stripper due to the emotional turmoil this MUST have caused...

      And the whole "go get a job" thing was him saying from now on if you want stuff, get a job and get it yourself.

      Interesting indeed. Unorthodox, but I liked it. I have 4 kids aged 23, 21, 16 and 8 and have come up with creative punishments before... just not quite as creative as his - LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        @ Dave and Paul,

        Come to think of it, looking back, the few guys that didn't hightail it and run turned out to be decent upstanding guys, but a lot of the ones who ran ended up being hooligans, trouble makers or did some jail time.

        I think you Dads may be on to something!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    He OBVIOUSLY didn't care about her getting a job! He wanted her to be decent and respectful! When THAT didn't work, he wanted her to try to at least act decent and have a LITTLE respect. After that, he said "OK, GET A JOB"! So it was THREE strikes and she was out! The job was NOT to make money, but to get an idea of what it is like. HEY, ever see maid to order? Maid to Order (1987) - IMDb That is a PERFECT example!

    This guys daughter was a spoiled brat and spreading it like so much CANCER! And TL? HOW do you KNOW they were comfortable? WHAT, because he spent $9 on bullets? That is about the price of a cheap dinner at a restaurant.

    What OTHER choice did he have? Keeping it would be a chance for her to get it back, and not have the punch. ANY other thing requires SOME kind of preping. REMEMBER, he said he was in IT, so he won't just sell this or give it away. He would have to wipe the drive, reformat, and reinstall the O/S. And for WHAT? To get maybe $.30 on the dollar, IF he is lucky? So it could effectively cost him as much in time as he would get back, and WHY? OH, and he said her MOTHER wanted a bullet ALSO, so they discussed it and she APLAUDED the idea!

    I wonder if there is a backup. I wonder how much this REALLY hurt her! It might be MONTHS before she feels the FULL impact!

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    A little perspective?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think more parents should be like that Dad and KNOW what their kids are doing - most don't. Dad is teaching her there are consequences for things you do. He's not worried about a relationship of friend or buddy - he's being a parent.

      He's in IT so probably has home computers that can be used for homework, etc - placed in areas where parents can see what site their daughter is on.

      I think many times kids are allowed to be brats until they hit their teens and it's no longer funny or cute. Then it takes a lot more effort to get through to them. A few bullets might do the trick.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think more parents should be like that Dad and KNOW what their kids are doing - most don't. Dad is teaching her there are consequences for things you do. He's not worried about a relationship of friend or buddy - he's being a parent.

        He's in IT so probably has home computers that can be used for homework, etc - placed in areas where parents can see what site their daughter is on.

        I think many times kids are allowed to be brats until they hit their teens and it's no longer funny or cute. Then it takes a lot more effort to get through to them. A few bullets might do the trick.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          @Kim - Yep - and I definitely agree.

          Some adversity and responsibility would do that girl a world of good.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Steve,

            Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."

            I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:

            "Long Haired Country Boy," by Charlie Daniels
            "Family Tradition," by Hank Junior.
            "Still in Saigon," by Charlie Daniels
            "A Country Boy Can Survive," by Hank Junior

            And, of course, anything by Chris Ledoux or Chris Young...

            "Tomorrow..."


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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Steve,

              Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."

              I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:

              "Long Haired Country Boy," by Charlie Daniels
              "Family Tradition," by Hank Junior.
              "Still in Saigon," by Charlie Daniels
              "A Country Boy Can Survive," by Hank Junior

              And, of course, anything by Chris Ledoux or Chris Young...

              "Tomorrow..."


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              Yeah, I DID know about that. I also heard "who are you when I'm not looking?". There is also the one that has the lyrics "Because they're songs about me.....and WHO I am....". That is a story about a singer that tries to tell a stranger about why he is in country music. It ends up with the stranger, that first said basically "FORGET IT", but listened to the singer, saying he likes it "Because they're songs about me.....and WHO I am....".

              You know me.....I will sometimes try to promote a tangential thing, or at least expose people to the better stuff. I once gave a woman a mix tape of german popsongs just to show her it WASN'T ugly, etc... Too bad she never bothered to listen to it. 8-(

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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Steve,

              Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."

              I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:

              "Long Haired Country Boy," by Charlie Daniels

              "Family Tradition," by Hank Junior.
              "Still in Saigon," by Charlie Daniels
              "A Country Boy Can Survive," by Hank Junior


              And, of course, anything by Chris Ledoux or Chris Young...

              "Tomorrow..."


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              Here's a scary thought for you Paul.
              They would all be my choices also
              I'd add "Tear in my Beer" by Hank Sr.
              Especially this version.
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        • Profile picture of the author rockstrong
          Wow!..video is getting more and more popular..minute by minute..
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    I remember my very first real date after getting my very car ('64 Ford Galaxie)....

    When I showed up her Dad answered the door and referred to me as "Whistlebritches" and took me to the dining room table to lay down the rules...and he WAS cleaning a pistol.

    She got home EARLY!
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

      I remember my very first real date after getting my very car ('64 Ford Galaxie)....

      When I showed up her Dad answered the door and referred to me as "Whistlebritches" and took me to the dining room table to lay down the rules...and he WAS cleaning a pistol.

      She got home EARLY!
      It apparently works, lol!

      Kudos to dads everywhere who love and protect their daughters!

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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        It apparently works, lol!

        Kudos to dads everywhere who love and protect their daughters!

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        I raised three daughters. And my handguns are VERY clean...
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  • Profile picture of the author ekfaysal
    thats sad. life without facebook was the perfect life
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by ekfaysal View Post

      thats sad. life without facebook was the perfect life
      So was a life without cell phones. Now people convince themselves they absolutely CAN'T live without one... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author JForsberg
    This was a great laugh. Yea, I know, it's not cool to laugh at other peoples expense.. but she did had it coming. I was 13 when I got my first job, and my dad got it for me so I wouldn't sit on my rear end all day playing World of Warcraft.

    He was a bit harsh on shooting the pc, and I agree with the lad who said he should sell it. A 130$ program adds up to the final price. Considering that her dad most likely pay all rents and stuff, it wasn't any fair saying she should get payed to fix her own stuff.
    She should be happy about what she got, and leave it there.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by JForsberg View Post

      This was a great laugh. Yea, I know, it's not cool to laugh at other peoples expense.. but she did had it coming. I was 13 when I got my first job, and my dad got it for me so I wouldn't sit on my rear end all day playing World of Warcraft.

      He was a bit harsh on shooting the pc, and I agree with the lad who said he should sell it. A 130$ program adds up to the final price. Considering that her dad most likely pay all rents and stuff, it wasn't any fair saying she should get payed to fix her own stuff.
      She should be happy about what she got, and leave it there.
      A $130 program, unless POPULAR, generally adds NOTHING to the price. It adds to the COST! So it is another reason to NOT sell. The father DID say that he wants his daughter to pay him $139!!!! $130 for the software he installed, that she likely could never use. $9 for the bullets used to destroy the computer.

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      • Profile picture of the author msudawgs56
        Love this!!!!!!! I teach 15 yr olds all day and this sounds like them!! Good going dad!
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Wow Steve!

      I always say my music tastes are eclectic too.

      I do listen to a little Country here and there.

      I especially like the first song you posted as it reminds me of my most favorite Country song. It has a story of course!

      Long story short...

      For Christmas 2007, my dad gave me a single country song CD that he had burned. I thought he was joking as he knew I didn't like country and just put it in the CD holder with the rest of our collection.

      He passed just shy of two months later unexpectedly from complications of a really bad slip and fall.

      When we left the hospital devastated and returned home, I went and got out that CD. Inside the case was a note saying, "Every time I hear this, I get teary eyed as I think of it as our life story, I Love You, Dad."

      I listened to it and it's been my favorite ever since! It's almost as if he knew deep down, his time was short.

      The song?


      As I said before,

      Thanks for the fond memories!

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Wow Steve!

        I always say my music tastes are eclectic too.

        I do listen to a little Country here and there.

        I especially like the first song you posted as it reminds me of my most favorite Country song. It has a story of course!

        Long story short...

        For Christmas 2007, my dad gave me a single country song CD that he had burned. I thought he was joking as he knew I didn't like country and just put it in the CD holder with the rest of our collection.

        He passed just shy of two months later unexpectedly from complications of a really bad slip and fall.

        When we left the hospital devastated and returned home, I went and got out that CD. Inside the case was a note saying, "Every time I hear this, I get teary eyed as I think of it as our life story, I Love You, Dad."

        I listened to it and it's been my favorite ever since! It's almost as if he knew deep down, his time was short.

        The song?


        As I said before,

        Thanks for the fond memories!

        Terra
        It's a shame that song sounds a bit sexist. Frankly, I wouldn't care if I had a girl or a boy.
        But it resolves well at least.

        Yeah, I was not crazy about my mother coming here, but I can't help but think that maybe the timing is because SHE knew. Of course, she probably DID know about the alzheimers earlier.

        No offense, but many women have this way of arguing, convincing, and blaming, and if you don't understand the goal, it COULD concievably look like alzheimers. Of course, at other times, those SAME women seem as lucid as anyone else! So what **I** thought was a pretense methodology, that my mother INTENTIONALLY employed, may have been symptoms of alzheimers. The failure to aknowledge mistakes she made, or statements I made that were contrary to what she wanted, or old habits/preferences I have that she doesn't like, or refusals to do what she wanted, may have been due to her MEMORY.

        She had problems going the wrong way on streets, and she said it was night vision. I figured it was eyesight and carelessness. I found one list that actually has PRECISELY that symptom as a symptom for alzheimers!!!!!

        I WAS shocked at the specificity of her understanding of icons, etc... and refusal to acknowledge certain accomplishments, etc.... over the past decade or so. I always chalked it up to a common malady that existed in the late 70s and up for as long as I could adequately track it. I decided to call it technophobia. I don't think I EVER heard the term before that. I called it techophobia simply because it fit so well. Some people tended to act like idiots around technical devices NOT because they WERE idiots but because they felt SO intimidated that they were unwilling to even TRY to learn. Some even bought lower quality and higher price gadgets SIMPLY because they were simpler.

        BTW advancements up to the 70s generally SIMPLIFIED operation and seemed minor. At THIS point, kids are BROUGHT UP with it, and there was never an option. Take an amish adult of 20+ and expose them to stuff of today, and you may see the SAME effect, although THEY are brought up to endure, and work through problems.

        If I ever wanted a few extra bucks, I could just go to someone and help them hook up their stereo, get a computer up(if they were daring), or even set their VCR clock and timer! If I told anyone I worked with computers, they were incredulous, or said I must REALLY be great at math. There was a myth that you had to be VERY good at math to work with computers. They ALSO thought I must have played a lot of computer games, etc... Kind of a DUMB myth, but OH WELL...

        Anyway, I set my mother up on about 4 FREE internet services. One she even used several times to send me Emails! But she later asked if I knew of ANY free one that worked. I had to shrug my shoulders, say they all worked the same basic way, and I didn't know of any others I could even try. Of course flying there, installing it, correcting problems, and training her was no longer worth it.

        But, after almost 10 years, she decided to "be near me, in another state"? YEAH, I KNOW! I make alzheimers sound SO obvious now! But she WAS, at times, very lucid, and this IS over 10 years of observation.

        BTW those technophobes are responsible for creating the myth that many kids, and younger adults, believe today, that people in my father's generation, and generation X, really don't understand technology, and never could. Ironically, THEY are often isolated from a lot of technology, and may stumble with problems that may be OBVIOUS to people like me or my father.

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    If the girl is smart, she'll find a way to leverage this into some TV appearances and maybe even a book or reality TV show!
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    That sound VERY familiar - and he just gave me some GOOD IDEAS
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Sorry, but I don't think "put a bullet in it" is the answer to very many problems, especially this one.

    Instead, Mr. IT expert should have wiped the hard drive clean, reinstalled windows.

    Then taken his daughter to the nearest children's hospital and have her:

    1. Donate the laptop to either a kid in need or the hospital itself.

    2. Have her spend the next 10 Saturdays "volunteering" to work with the kids at the children's hospital.

    I believe spending time with some terminally ill or very sick kids about her age would have taught her a lot more about life's expectations and entitlements than her dad playing Clint Eastwood with her PC.
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      I love that dad (No Homo!)
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Sorry, but I don't think "put a bullet in it" is the answer to very many problems, especially this one.
      One of the many misconceptions many non-Americans have about Americans is that "they're all gun nuts". This guy is not going to do anything at all to dispel that misconception.
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        One of the many misconceptions many non-Americans have about Americans is that "they're all gun nuts". This guy is not going to do anything at all to dispel that misconception.
        Exactly, I can also imagine that this would happen to her later that evening

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          Exactly, I can also imagine that this would happen to her later that evening

          YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
          The girl that had her laptop shot never even MENTIONED abuse. She was upset because he wanted her to do a few chores, some of which were to cover her OWN area! HE was upset because she showed him NO respect, bad mouthed him to her friends, and considered him and help he had as HER SERVANTS! ALSO, her MOTHER apparently asked him to do something. The fact that the daughter was using HIS property to do this was just TOO MUCH! So he DESTROYED his own property!

          I doubt that many fathers go to the extremes of that texas guy. In many hospitals, care areas, etc... here they will ask if you feel safe at home. If you say NO, they will probe deeper and could get someone thrown in jail. If you have a bruise that seems suspicious or doesn't have a reasonable excuse, they may report it! If that judge creates substantial bruises around the back of her knee, for example, he could be a dead duck! It could be hard to explain how they came to be.

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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          Exactly, I can also imagine that this would happen to her later that evening

          YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
          Derek, I usually agree with you but I think you are way off bae with this one. It has even been pointed out in one of the several threads people have posted in the forum that she is amazed at the reaction it has been getting. Seems to me the lesson may have actually hit home and ended then and there.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche. No wonder his daughter is pissed.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche.
      I WONDER......

      No wonder his daughter is pissed.
      GEE, maybe THAT is why!

      Kurt,

      Your idea about donation is nice, but a lot of work, doesn't get the coverage, and she may not do it. There are some things that make the loss very worth it.

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Your idea about donation is nice, but a lot of work, doesn't get the coverage, and she may not do it. There are some things that make the loss very worth it.

        Steve
        Yep...Doing the right thing is often work. And if she didn't do her volunteer work, she'd be grounded/room-bound without phone or tv until she did.

        And who cares about coverage? Dad says that isn't why he did it.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yep...Doing the right thing is often work. And if she didn't do her volunteer work, she'd be grounded/room-bound without phone or tv until she did.

          And who cares about coverage? Dad says that isn't why he did it.
          He DID talk about letting her friends know, etc...
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      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche. No wonder his daughter is pissed.
      This is where the forum needs a "dislike" button.
      He stated he was making a point to not only her but her FB friends.
      I think he did a very smart thing. As others besides myself have already noted, she had been warned.She chose to ignore the warning
      g ( read: She thought she was smarter than dear old dad.Well,guess what, she wasn't.)
      Of course the biggest difference between him and me is that I don't own a gun. I probably would have taken a sledgehammer to it instead.
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      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche. No wonder his daughter is pissed.
      Thats where SHE goes to share HER issues...
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    Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said.
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      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

      Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said.

      I thought the gun play was corny.

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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        One of the many misconceptions many non-Americans have about Americans is "that they're all gun nuts". This guy is not going to do anything at all to dispel that misconception.
        If non Americans have that concept they are way off base about America.

        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said.
        Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue.

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        He DID talk about letting her friends know, etc...
        At least you paid attention Steve, apparently many did not.

        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        I thought the gun play was corny.

        TL
        Yes, TL, you have posted that what, 3 or 4 times in this thread already? We get it :rolleyes:



        And for the record, I among many other posters here, actually applaud the father. The majority of us that do probably have daughters and are actually trying to teach them values.. How many of you that are condemning the man do?
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          If non Americans have that concept they are way off base about America.



          Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue.



          At least you paid attention Steve, apparently many did not.



          Yes, TL, you have posted that what, 3 or 4 times in this thread already? We get it :rolleyes:



          And for the record, I among many other posters here, actually applaud the father. The majority of us that do probably have daughters and are actually trying to teach them values.. How many of you that are condemning the man do?

          LOL!

          Actually, I posted my "corny comment" in the other related thread.

          But I wanted to get it into this one.

          All The Best!!

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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            LOL!

            Actually, I posted my "corny comment" in the other related thread.

            But I wanted to get it into this one.

            All The Best!!

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            My apologies. You only posted it once in this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Paul,
          I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:
          I have one in particular that I have to play when I see it on a jukebox too, and it's Country.

          It's Charlie Daniels "The Devil Went Down To Georgia"

          Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."
          Exactly, they evoke emotions that people can relate to.

          Ask any copywriter and they will tell you that evoking emotions that people relate to, sells.

          This also is what this father did, however without the intention of selling anyone anything.

          Well, other than selling his daughter on the fact that her unacceptable behavior had consequences.

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            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Paul,
            I have one in particular that I have to play when I see it on a jukebox too, and it's Country.

            It's Charlie Daniels "The Devil Went Down To Georgia"

            Exactly, they evoke emotions that people can relate to.

            Ask any copywriter and they will tell you that evoking emotions that people relate to, sells.

            This also is what this father did, however without the intention of selling anyone anything.

            Well, other than selling his daughter on the fact that her unacceptable behavior had consequences.

            Terra
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              Haha, Mike!

              I can relate to that, shhh! :p

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          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          If non Americans have that concept they are way off base about America.
          As I stated, a misconception.
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          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue.
          If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

          No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
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            Jacob,
            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.
            So, having a different cultural background makes the Dad stupid? How is that sort of labeling useful?
            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
            [chuckle] Y'all're new 'round these parts, aincha?


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            • Profile picture of the author Riggs
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Jacob,So, having a different cultural background makes the Dad stupid? How is that sort of labeling useful?[chuckle] Y'all're new 'round these parts, aincha?Paul
              The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously.

              I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings. My dad would beat my ass with the sling of his tripod mounted Browning M1919 if he ever read my WF posts.
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            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
            WOW! FIRST of all, a person with a single digit IQ would likely not even be able to speak, much less do anything else. One COULD assume you were using base 100 in which case a single digit IQ wouldn't necessarily be that bad but THEN you use a redundant slur making the silly meaning clear.

            It was NOT his daughters laptop. It was HIS laptop he let her use as her own.

            He got the idea across to everyone in about the only way possible. Some people may go to facebook only once and see her statements. THIS has gotten coverage.

            It's interesting that you insult people in such a way while making it clear that you believe that such slights should be allowed to fester and that his daughter should get EVERYTHING with no conditions. You would not DARE to do that to the degree that you obviously want him to, and it is not sustainable, so what does that say about YOU?

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            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
            Let it go Kim...
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.


            Excuse me,

            But anyone who would make such a rude and malicious comment against KimW, a warrior that has been struggling for his life for a very looong time and now finally on the road to recovery, is just...

            Uggh! Never mind, I can't say it as it is against the rules!

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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Jacob,
              The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture
              My point is that the cultural difference is why he chose that route to make his statement. Background has everything to do with how one communicates.

              For example, if my Dad or any of his siblings had done that, it would be disturbing. They grew up in a city, and weren't around guns much, except in the service. For them, guns meant war.

              Either of my grandfathers, or any of my Mom's side of the family, could have done just what that guy did and we'd have taken it as nothing more than a way to make the point. They all lived in the country, and guns were just part of life.


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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

              If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

              No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
              Try to back paddle all you can but you both insulted a man that was raising hid dauter him way,which,at least here in America we still have a little imput into how they are raised,calling him a single digit IQ was insulting and unneeded.
              In addition,you intentionally insulted me. If I was a lesser man you'd have an infraction right now.


              Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

              Let it go Kim...
              Dave, you are probably right, I should just let the guy hang himself even more.

              Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

              The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously.

              I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings. My dad would beat my ass with the sling of his tripod mounted Browning M1919 if he ever read my WF posts.
              More back peddling. It was not a joke nor was it not directed at any individual,it was very blatantly directed at the father. Nuff said.

              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post



              Excuse me,

              But anyone who would make such a rude and malicious comment against KimW, a warrior that has been struggling for his life for a very looong time and now finally on the road to recovery, is just...

              Uggh! Never mind, I can't say it as it is against the rules!

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              Terra,
              Thank you. Contrary to what Riggs thinks, he has very little insight into this, IMO I have raised 4 daughters and am now raising 2 grandaughters and two grandsons. I hvae a fairly long life of experience behind me,some stuff I tried worked,some didn't,but I do have for the most part raised fine children.

              As far as the insult tossed at me by that poster, I've been insulted by better men. Love you all.
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              • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                It was not a joke nor was it not directed at any individual,it was very blatantly directed at the father. Nuff said.
                By definition, the meaning of the word culture and the meaning of the word individual differ greatly.


                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                Contrary to what Riggs thinks, he has very little insight into this, IMO I have raised 4 daughters and am now raising 2 grandaughters and two grandsons. I hvae a fairly long life of experience behind me,some stuff I tried worked,some didn't,but I do have for the most part raised fine children.
                That's a fairly naive comment to make considering you know nothing of my extensive fatherhood experience. So let me now jump on your dignified bandwagon of honesty...

                Contrary to what you think, I've actually got 15 children, all with different mothers and all from different cultural backgrounds. My children, and their children's children, and their children's grandchildren's children's grandchildren are all currently very successful in the IM industry. Without prejudice, likely more so than yourself.

                Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me.
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                  Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

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                  Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me.
                  Say what?! Where did that come from? KimW is a good guy. It is possible to differ in opinions in a cordial manner.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                    Say what?! Where did that come from? KimW is a good guy. It is possible to differ in opinions in a cordial manner.
                    Relax, it was a joke referencing the end of the video the discussion in this thread pertains to. I know he's a good guy, lol. :p
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                  Contrary to what you think, I've actually got 15 children, all with different mothers and all from different cultural backgrounds. My children, and their children's children, and their children's grandchildren's children's grandchildren are all currently very successful in the IM industry. Without prejudice, likely more so than yourself.
                  There comes a point where number, diversity, and success DETRACT from things. CONGRATS! You managed ALL THREE! Kids with FIFTEEN WOMEN? WOW, what a catch you must be! I don't know HOW you can raise 15 kids in such a way, unless you are a Mormon style polygamist, all in ONE home! YIKES! Or did the mothers all abandon them? And MAN must you be OLD! I'm bad at figuring this out, but how old must you be? Assuming an average puberty age of 12, and near recordholder stats, you must be over like 60 years old.

                  children....12/22
                  grandchildren....24/44
                  greatgrandchildren....36/66
                  they have children....48/88 (children)
                  they have children....60/110 (grand children)

                  The first number is about the youngest consistant age. The second number is an average I came up with in a survey of a few hundred people over a couple decades. Oh well, realistically, either set is probably LOW!

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                  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                    There comes a point where number, diversity, and success DETRACT from things. CONGRATS! You managed ALL THREE! Kids with FIFTEEN WOMEN? WOW, what a catch you must be! I don't know HOW you can raise 15 kids in such a way, unless you are a Mormon style polygamist, all in ONE home! YIKES! Or did the mothers all abandon them? And MAN must you be OLD! I'm bad at figuring this out, but how old must you be? Assuming an average puberty age of 12, and near recordholder stats, you must be over like 60 years old.

                    children....12/22
                    grandchildren....24/44
                    greatgrandchildren....36/66
                    they have children....48/88 (children)
                    they have children....60/110 (grand children)

                    The first number is about the youngest consistant age. The second number is an average I came up with in a survey of a few hundred people over a couple decades. Oh well, realistically, either set is probably LOW!

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                    ARE YOU SERIOUS. Did you really just take that post seriously.

                    Oh my god.

                    Oh...

                    my...

                    god.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Jacob,

                      There are many quirks in this part of the forum that you don't know about. For instance, if you'd said in main discussion what you said to Kim upthread, you'd have been unceremoniously spanked for it. Here, you get the full ceremonial spanking.

                      Another: You cannot use numbers in a discussion that involves Steve unless you mean them. Steve has an interesting reaction to numbers: He takes them literally. And he runs with them, which can sometimes yield surprisingly useful ideas. Of course, it can also create the occasional facepalm moment, but those aren't unusual hereabouts.

                      One of our quirks isn't unique to offtopic: When you're new and insult one of the regulars (deliberately or through carelessness), you set up roadblocks you have to get past before people decide you're not really a jerk. Until that point, everything you say will be tainted in their minds.

                      That's life in the fast food lane.


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                      • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                        Jacob,

                        There are many quirks in this part of the forum that you don't know about. For instance, if you'd said in main discussion what you said to Kim upthread, you'd have been unceremoniously spanked for it. Here, you get the full ceremonial spanking.

                        Another: You cannot use numbers in a discussion that involves Steve unless you mean them. Steve has an interesting reaction to numbers: He takes them literally. And he runs with them, which can sometimes yield surprisingly useful ideas. Of course, it can also create the occasional facepalm moment, but those aren't unusual hereabouts.

                        One of our quirks isn't unique to offtopic: When you're new and insult one of the regulars (deliberately or through carelessness), you set up roadblocks you have to get past before people decide you're not really a jerk. Until that point, everything you say will be tainted in their minds.

                        That's life in the fast food lane.


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                        Thanks for the informative information Paul. Everything I've posted (par my very first reply) has only been in the spirit of good fun. Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
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                          Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                          Thanks for the informative information Paul. Everything I've posted (par my very first reply) has only been in the spirit of good fun. Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
                          Not usually in discussions that are of the more serious nature (such as this one). But there's a wonderful sense of humor if the topic is fitting.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Jacob,
                          Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
                          You just keep digging.

                          The folks around here can take (and give) as good a ribbing as any crowd I've seen online outside an OG list I'm on. (Original geeksters. Average time on the net is probably around 20 years. It's the one place online where I still feel like a newbie.)

                          Only a few of us play the college bar crowd humor, though. And even that is best reserved for friends who know you well. To the rest of the world, what you're calling humor is just being rude.

                          An interesting side note: The average age in this forum is significantly higher than in almost any other IM forum I know of. Big chunks of the crowd here are between forty and sixty. That might help you understand the responses you're getting...


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                          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                            Jacob,You just keep digging.
                            Only a few of us play the college bar crowd humor, though. And even that is best reserved for friends who know you well. To the rest of the world, what you're calling humor is just being rude.
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                            Well said, Paul!

                            I was just going to say that a couple of times Jacob said he was just kidding or joking, but after diligently trying to find humor in his statements, to determine if he were sincere, I just couldn't. Actually, I wouldn't find his attempts at humor funny in a bar, either.

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                    • Profile picture of the author KimW
                      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                      ARE YOU SERIOUS. Did you really just take that post seriously.

                      Oh my god.

                      Oh...

                      my...

                      god.


                      So, you really just posted that to throw another insult at me? GG!
                      By the way, thought you were out of this thread?
                      I quote you:
                      "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me."

                      But let me correct that for you.

                      "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the beaten man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me."

                      I am a very easy going man. I have not knowingly insulted you that I am aware of except to say you don't have a clue,which by the way you keep proving over and over again.

                      You on the other hand seem to not able to make a post without throwing an insult and a dig at me.

                      Here, let me look at something:

                      From your profile:
                      "Riggs has not made any friends yet"

                      Surprise surprise.

                      And this response to Paul:
                      "Thanks for the informative information Paul. Everything I've posted (par my very first reply) has only been in the spirit of good fun. Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter"

                      "Blatant BS"
                      Just another attempt at back pedaling.

                      Here in Off Topic we know and understand mutual banter,and we know and understand insulting,and you have continually insulted me.,then backpedaled,then insulted me again.
                      Enough is enough.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                        "Blatant BS"
                        Just another attempt at back pedaling.

                        Here in Off Topic we know and understand mutual banter,and we know and understand insulting,and you have continually insulted me.,then backpedaled,then insulted me again.
                        Enough is enough.
                        I really don't know what your problem is, the only sarcastic insult directed towards you (which preceded an "if" statement) was the comment I made saying "your parents are probably related". Following your immediate and obvious misunderstanding, I respectfully attempted to calm the water as your taking of offense was not my intention. You might call it "backpeddling", but where I'm from such actions are commonly accepted as respectfully attempting to amend a dispute between two parties, and thus progress a relationship in a positive direction, as opposed to backwards.

                        But I really think you need to climb off your high horse and face the fact that I'm not the only person in this thread to disagree with your way of thinking. You might have a few of "the regulars" jumping on the bandwagon to fight your corner now, but understand that no friends list in any text-based community will ever make your point of view righter than anyone else's.
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                          Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                          I really don't know what your problem is, the only insult directed towards you (which preceded an "if" statement) was the comment I made saying "your parents are probably related". Following your immediate and obvious misunderstanding, I respectfully attempted to calm the water as your taking of offense was not my intention.

                          But I really think you need to climb off your high horse and face the fact that I'm not the only person in this thread to disagree with your way of thinking. You might have a few of "the regulars" jumping on the bandwagon to fight your corner now, but understand that no friends list in any text-based community will ever make your point of view righter than anyone else's.
                          <SIGH>

                          Jacob, you just don't get it, do you?

                          If I were in your position, I'd quietly slink away from this thread with this thought, it is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

                          I'm sorry if you feel picked on, but man, you need to step back and think a minute, then look at what you've said in a different perspective.

                          If the majority sees your comments as rude, maybe they're on to something?

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                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            <SIGH>

                            Jacob, you just don't get it, do you?

                            If I were in your position, I'd quietly slink away from this thread with this thought, it is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

                            I'm sorry if you feel picked on, but man, you need to step back and think a minute, then look at what you've said in a different perspective.

                            If the majority sees your comments as rude, maybe they're on to something?

                            Terra
                            Terra,

                            I appreciate your sympathy, but I am capable of defending myself and my corner does not require your company nor counsel. Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons.

                            You might choose to "quietly slink away" as "a fool", but I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches.
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                              Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                              Terra,

                              I appreciate your sympathy, but I am capable of defending myself and my corner does not require your company nor counsel. Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons.

                              You might choose to "quietly slink away" as "a fool", but I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches.
                              Thank you for proving my point!

                              Terra
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                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            it is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than to open your mouth and prove it.
                            I've never seen that Mark Twain Quote proven out so quickly... lol
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Jacob,
                          But I really think you need to climb off your high horse and face the fact that I'm not the only person in this thread to disagree with your way of thinking.
                          Ummm... Kim has never, as far as I've seen, taken civil disagreement in anything but a reasonable spirit.

                          The key word in that sentence is 'civil.'

                          Terra,
                          Actually, I wouldn't find his attempts at humor funny in a bar, either.
                          You'd miss a lot of fun with some of my friends, then.


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                            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


                            Terra,You'd miss a lot of fun with some of my friends, then.


                            Paul

                            Dang! I'm all about having fun!

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                            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                              Terra,
                              Dang! I'm all about having fun!
                              Oh, we have a blast. Just a bit too rough with the humor for some folks at first. But only with the people we know well and who know it's all really just playing.

                              Jacob,

                              Let's try a different way of looking at the differences in style here. A question for you...

                              How would your father's friends react if you spoke to them the way you've been speaking here?


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                              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                Gary,
                                I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon.
                                Yup.

                                My Mom's family were farmers. Guns were for getting food (hunting), killing the varmints who were destroying the food they were growing, and protection from critters that might be dangerous, or attack their livestock.

                                Not exactly crazed rednecks.


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                                • Profile picture of the author KimW
                                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                                  Gary,Yup.

                                  My Mom's family were farmers. Guns were for getting food (hunting), killing the varmints who were destroying the food they were growing, and protection from critters that might be dangerous, or attack their livestock.

                                  Not exactly crazed rednecks.


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                                  Same here Paul, every summer I went to the country where my grandparents and uncles lived (rural Misssouri) and they were hunters,fishers and giggers.
                                  I will never forget the first time I had to help skin a squirrel or the first time I skinned a gigged frog.

                                  While I never became a hunter for food or sport, I understand those that do.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                    Kim,
                                    While I never became a hunter for food or sport, I understand those that do.
                                    I've got no use for it as a sport, but when it's for food...

                                    I have a simple answer for people who are not strict vegetarians who object to hunting. "Next time you have a cheeseburger, keep in mind that someone had to kill that meal for you."

                                    Vegetarians can stand on honest principle in that discussion. I may not share their choice, but I respect it. Carnivores who object to hunting for food are just hypocrites with queasy stomachs.


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                          • Profile picture of the author KimW
                            And I apologize to all, when I started posting again I had just gotten home from a Drs appointment and all is going well still!
                            I am now going to step away from the keyboard and have a lunch date with my wife.( And let my BP get back to normal )
                            Take care.
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                      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                      ARE YOU SERIOUS. Did you really just take that post seriously.

                      Oh my god.

                      Oh...

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                      god.

                      Whocan say? Some say some ridiculous things! If you WERE "serious" it was a lie, so I decided to poke fun at it. What, you though I thought you had kids by 15 women, cared for all of them, and stayed around till your grandkids had grandkids? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! And the IM is just icing on the cake!

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    Frankly, if there was a handbook with universal "good parenting" solutions, no one would have to even worry about whether they did the right thing. They'd just need to consult the book.

    But, that's not the way it works. Some though the guy was over the top, others call him dad of the year. It all comes down to our own core values and beliefs.

    Personally, I applaud his actions in this one respect - he told her after the PREVIOUS time she pulled this same stunt that of she did so again, he'd put a bullet in her laptop. She did it again (only worse). He kept his word. She will never again doubt his word.

    I am not a gun owner, so I don't have that gun culture. If he wasn't a gun owner he may have taken a different approach.

    It is what it is. Right or wrong, I think that depends on your own beliefs.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Frankly, if there was a handbook with universal "good parenting" solutions, no one would have to even worry about whether they did the right thing. They'd just need to consult the book.

      But, that's not the way it works. Some though the guy was over the top, others call him dad of the year. It all comes down to our own core values and beliefs.

      Personally, I applaud his actions in this one respect - he told her after the PREVIOUS time she pulled this same stunt that of she did so again, he'd put a bullet in her laptop. She did it again (only worse). He kept his word. She will never again doubt his word.

      I am not a gun owner, so I don't have that gun culture. If he wasn't a gun owner he may have taken a different approach.

      It is what it is. Right or wrong, I think that depends on your own beliefs.
      You're right! I have a theory, that seems to be 100% correct. It seems that way with ME. Any creature, including people, is born with a certain basic way to handle things. Experiences after that then may change that. So the only way to have some idea of how a person might react is to actually know the person. What the father did could have been laughed off by the daughter, or led her to commit suicide. Anyone that says that disciplining a child can be boiled down to a book is, at best, not thinking.

      I think that a LOT of people that don't believe in guns would do something similar to what kimW said. He said he would use a sledgehammer.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OH BOY! I remeber seeing one where the fidelity was nice AND it was a proper video. 8-( There was one with nice fidelity, but it wasn't official. 8-( OK, Yeah, I like it TOO!


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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

      Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

        Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.
        I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

        As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

        When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

        people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

        And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

        No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

        Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.
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        • Profile picture of the author KimW
          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

          As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

          When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

          people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

          And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

          No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

          Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.

          Pete, just in case you were not aware of it,the two videos are not related at all, The beating one was by a judge in Texas and last I heard he has been removed from the bench. ( could be wrong though) I don't even know why that second video was introduced into the thread.

          As someone else has already pointed out, NOWHERE did the daughter claim any kind of abuse. Why people continually try to make that leap is beyond me.
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          • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            Pete, just in case you were not aware of it,the two videos are not related at all, The beating one was by a judge in Texas and last I heard he has been removed from the bench. ( could be wrong though) I don't even know why that second video was introduced into the thread.

            As someone else has already pointed out, NOWHERE did the daughter claim any kind of abuse. Why people continually try to make that leap is beyond me.
            Low stress Kim, the first dad, no problems and probably a good call, and I probably ran to deep on seeing that second video, just to close for me and many many bad memories.

            I can still see my little sister being beaten with a wooden paddle, she was so small and helpless, my bothers and I could only watch as she was beaten to a pulp where she could only crawl away after the bloody beating, we were to scared to do anything, our daily beating was only a short way away anyway.

            It still hurts. any way enough dwell and sorry to go off track, just never seen it in video form like that and it hit straight home. sorry
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          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

          As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

          When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

          people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

          And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

          No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

          Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.
          That is good. But sometimes discipline (NOT physical abuse) is the best way to show and teach the child love. And like Kim said - that second video is no relation to this thread. THAT guy should be whipped.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            That is good. But sometimes discipline (NOT physical abuse) is the best way to show and teach the child love. And like Kim said - that second video is no relation to this thread. THAT guy should be whipped.
            I refused to even watch it personally, and I'm with you and Kim, I see no correlation between it and this thread.

            The first video shows discipline as a form of tough love, from a responsible and caring father, and in no way is related to abuse by a weak, warped individual who can only feel a sense of power through violence directed towards HIS OWN CHILD!

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          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

          As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

          When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

          people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

          And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

          No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

          Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.
          NOBODY said that the guy whipping her was doing well. In the US, treatment like that can LAND YOU IN JAIL! And they have a built in network of spys to catch such people!

          1. People knowing about it could be tried!
          2. Teachers and schools are to find such things out.
          3. doctors are.
          4. health care workers, INCLUDING school nurses.
          5. etc...

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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

        Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.

        VERY WELL SAID Kay!!
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

        Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.
        First, your premise isn't 100% correct.

        Second, you'll never convince me destruction is better than donating and that having her spend time with less fortunate kids is a bad thing.

        And if you want to juggle jello, freeze it first.
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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          I think there are two different issues here. The first is whether the girl should do housework and I think there is 100% agreement on this. The second issue is the response to her facebook statement which after all, is not supposed to be known to her parents. Teenagers do write silly things on social networks which they may not fully mean. Still not doing housework and complaining about it is not in the same league as taking drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense.

          The response of the father is troubling on 3 points

          1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
          2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
          3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.

          This video is approaching 20 millions views already. The chances are that this will be picked up by the press and the family outed. This will cause much more humiliation to his daughter. This is exactly the sort of thing that can push a 15 year old girl to suicide. That is assuming that the incident is real and not as ploy to make money through FaceBook.

          The reason I put the second video here was that the girls were of similar age and both involved the use of a computer. Also, judging by the temperament of the father in video, I could definitely imagine him beating his daughter. The girl in the second video purposefully installed a hidden camera in her room because the beatings were quite frequent. She released the videos several years later when she is already an adult and living apart from her father. She backtracked a bit when she found out that her father could get into trouble.

          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          Also - here's his story about how she got caught:

          "HOW SHE GOT CAUGHT: The Dog Did It.. no, really.

          I finally came out and told her this today, partly because it was too funny NOT to share.

          When my daughter made her post, she used Facebook's privacy settings to block "Family" and "Church" friend's lists. All her other friends could see it. We, of course could not.


          One of our dogs is always getting in photos and therefore has her own Facebook pa
          ...ge. It's just a cute dumb thing we did for fun. Well, the dog's profile is rarely used except when funny pictures of her are posted. Since that's not too often, and she has very few friends on Facebook, her wall is kind of bare, with relatively few posts showing up on it.

          The other night we gave the dog a bath and there was a funny photo we uploaded to Facebook and tagged her in. I logged in as the dog the next morning to comment on the photo. However when I logged into the dog's profile, my daughter had forgotten to add her to the "family" list.... so our family dog's profile showed her post right there on the front page.

          It wasn't any parent-hacking, computer spying, or monitoring of any kind.. the dog actually ratted her out completely by accident. She hasn't petted that dog all day today..."
          Derek, you are mistaken regarding the invasion of privacy.

          You are also confusing the issues here by bringing drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense into the discussion - none of this was mentioned - Just as the video you posted had no relevancy to this thread and only confused some readers.

          We do not know all the facts, nor what goes on behind closed doors, but the girl in question has not gone to the police nor posted about abuse at the hands of her father on her FB account. I'm certain if there was some sort of abuse, we would have heard about it by now.

          No offense here, but you seem to be comparing apples to oranges. :confused:
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    I think there are two different issues here. The first is whether the girl should do housework and I think there is 100% agreement on this. The second issue is the response to her facebook statement which after all, is not supposed to be known to her parents. Teenagers do write silly things on social networks which they may not fully mean. Still not doing housework and complaining about it is not in the same league as taking drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense.

    The response of the father is troubling on 3 points

    1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
    2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
    3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.

    This video is approaching 20 millions views already. The chances are that this will be picked up by the press and the family outed. This will cause much more humiliation to his daughter. This is exactly the sort of thing that can push a 15 year old girl to suicide. That is assuming that the incident is real and not as ploy to make money through FaceBook.

    The reason I put the second video here was that the girls were of similar age and both involved the use of a computer. Also, judging by the temperament of the father in video, I could definitely imagine him beating his daughter. The girl in the second video purposefully installed a hidden camera in her room because the beatings were quite frequent. She released the videos several years later when she is already an adult and living apart from her father. She backtracked a bit when she found out that her father could get into trouble.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post


      1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
      2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
      3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.
      1. Actually, he discovered it accidentally. He explains it on his wall. Also, a 15 year old girl's privacy only goes so far. If she was doing something illegal and got caught, the parents would be liable and they would be vilified for not knowing what she was doing.

      2. Sauce for the goose. She humiliated him first. In fact, this was her second time. I agree it's silly to have that sort of "retaliation" - he's supposed to be the adult. But as pointed out by another - perfect parents please raise your hands... Also, he had no idea it would go viral. His intention was for her FB friends and their parents to see it.

      3. He shot her laptop because he warned her he would if she repeated this offense. He was keeping his word. Also, because this is a household that has several guns (as pointed out by his own posts on his wall) I seriously doubt she felt intimidated. She's probably shot the guns herself...

      This is an interesting topic though. Makes me wonder sometimes how I managed through two teenage boys (now past that) on one 16 year old girl... LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Kim,
        As someone else has already pointed out, NOWHERE did the daughter claim any kind of abuse. Why people continually try to make that leap is beyond me.
        Because they don't understand that, for many people, a gun isn't about violence. They think anyone who would shoot a laptop is some kind of crazy nutball.

        If the young lady grew up around guns, this is nothing more than Dad making a point. Not a point she's likely to be happy about, but certainly not one that would be any more harrowing than if he'd just dropped the thing off a bridge.

        But some folks who hate guns won't "get" that.

        She made her point on Facebook, he responded on Facebook. He did it in a way that will make a lot of other kids think twice about what they say online, and to whom. And he probably woke a lot of parents up to something they ought to be watching.

        For all the dramatic flair, all the guy really did was ground her and take away her laptop.

        Derek,
        Invasion of privacy
        Privacy? She posted it on Facebook. Do you really think parents of young children shouldn't be monitoring what their kids say online?
        Public humiliation
        A public response to a public statement. A response, by the way, which was far more civil and respectful than her comments.
        Intimidation
        Only if guns are unusual in their lifestyle. I thought about that as a potential problem, but I don't see it. The guy wasn't making a big deal out of the gun, and his wife wouldn't have said to put one in it for her if it was something new and scary.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        And if you want to juggle jello, freeze it first
        We used to make "knox blocks" - adding knox gelatin to jello to make a treat you could hold in your hand to eat.

        Goofing around one day my sons and I (they were teens) got into a knox blocks fight (in the house) and we went nuts throwing them at each other. I guess I started it when I put a cold piece of jello in my sons sneaker:rolleyes:. Jello on the ceiling - oh my.

        Then we all got busy and cleaned it up - and no one complained about being enslaved. We were still laughing.

        Twenty years from now that girl will be telling her own daughter "you think you've got it hard - my dad shot my computer"....it will be a family legend.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          We used to make "knox blocks" - adding knox gelatin to jello to make a treat you could hold in your hand to eat.

          Goofing around one day my sons and I (they were teens) got into a knox blocks fight (in the house) and we went nuts throwing them at each other. I guess I started it when I put a cold piece of jello in my sons sneaker:rolleyes:. Jello on the ceiling - oh my.

          Then we all got busy and cleaned it up - and no one complained about being enslaved. We were still laughing.

          Twenty years from now that girl will be telling her own daughter "you think you've got it hard - my dad shot my computer"....it will be a family legend.
          Yeah, and her daughter will say "Wa..Wa...WAIT A SECOND! Yo...You mean you had computers back then?"!

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      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I think there are two different issues here. The first is whether the girl should do housework and I think there is 100% agreement on this.
      Good!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The second issue is the response to her facebook statement which after all, is not supposed to be known to her parents.
      So she fell victim to a myth. BOO HOO.

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Teenagers do write silly things on social networks which they may not fully mean. Still not doing housework and complaining about it is not in the same league as taking drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense.
      She was insulting and indignant, and THAT is what upset him. She made it sound like she was supposed to do EVERYTHING, and a maid was paid to do it all, and NEITHER was true,

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The response of the father is troubling on 3 points

      1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
      Not obvious AT ALL! It was HIS computer and he was installing software for HER. There are a LOT of ways he could see that info. I've BEEN there!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
      You're right, HE SHOULD have been upset at the humilation she put him through! He mentioned that! That was one reason why he did it THIS way!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.
      GIVE ME A BREAK! WHAT should he have used? TISSUE PAPER?

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      This video is approaching 20 millions views already. The chances are that this will be picked up by the press and the family outed. This will cause much more humiliation to his daughter.
      YEP, THAT was the intent!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      This is exactly the sort of thing that can push a 15 year old girl to suicide.
      I DOUBT it.

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      That is assuming that the incident is real and not as ploy to make money through FaceBook.
      Well, there doesn't seem to really be a hook, so I think it is real.

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The reason I put the second video here was that the girls were of similar age and both involved the use of a computer. Also, judging by the temperament of the father in video, I could definitely imagine him beating his daughter.
      I DOUBT it!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The girl in the second video purposefully installed a hidden camera in her room because the beatings were quite frequent. She released the videos several years later when she is already an adult and living apart from her father. She backtracked a bit when she found out that her father could get into trouble.
      Yeah, these days it is IDIOTIC for ANYONE to believe they are 100% private, ESPECIALLY if they live with others in the building. He should have ASSUMED he was being watched.

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    Would the perfect parent in this thread...please raise your hand?

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Derek,
    "1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
    2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
    3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video."

    Ther was zero invasion of property,this has already been addressed numerous time. BUT in my household any teenage under the age of 18 has no privacy to be invaded. As I readily stated earlier, The computer the kids were allowed to use had a monitoring program on it. And I am extremely glad it did. Kids love to stretch boundaries. And mine were no exception,but they just thought they were so cool they would never get caught. WRONGO!! And ,again,as I stated earlier,my wife thought she had the perfect angels that could not,would not do any wrong. WRONGO again. I really opened her eyes to a lot of things. But you know, My own feeling is that because of that,my kids ended up turning out much better than they would have if they had actually gotten away with all the trings they thought they were going to. If I had to do it again,I would in a heartbeat,and I would still feel it was no invasion of privacy.

    Public humiliation? All he did was follow through with what he told her he would do if she did something like this again. It was NOT her first time. I think the punishment fit the crime.

    Intimidtion by using the gun? Oh come on now. Did he flash the gun in her face? Did he threaten her in any way? No and No. Ther was zero intimidation. I don't know,maybe the laptop actually felt a twinge of fear,but it aint talkin!

    She was his daughter, she was bound to know he owned guns,but he did not pull any on her. Where is the intimidation??
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    Maybe I'm too "immature" to be a good Father however I would never do something like that to my daughter. She was just being a normal teenager and surely there would have been a better way to resolve the issue than making a video and shooting her laptop.
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Maybe I'm too "immature" to be a good Father however I would never do something like that to my daughter. She was just being a normal teenager and surely there would have been a better way to resolve the issue than making a video and shooting her laptop.
      So....you don't have one. That's what Kim meant when he mentioned not having a clue.

      When you DO have kids, let's just say.....you're in for a real education...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Maybe Dave. However I'm 99% certain I wouldn't result to that.
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Maybe Dave. However I'm 99% certain I wouldn't result to that.
          My father certainly never resorted to that kind of berserk behavior. He was tactful and strategic. Six kids all turned out well.
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            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            My father certainly never resorted to that kind of berserk behavior. He was tactful and strategic. Six kids all turned out well.
            As I said earlier, your reactions are going to be driven by genetics and exposure. You kick five dogs, for example! It doesn't even matter if you move quickly, or even make contact with the dog! One may COWER! One may run AWAY! One may GROWL and BARK! One may ATTACK to get you to stop! One may try to RIP YOU TO SHREDS!

            The five dogs may appear identical, and all conditions may be the same.

            Of course, HUMANS are more likely to avoid vicious frontal attacks, but it has been known to happen!

            If I had a kid like me, I doubt I would have ANY trouble raising him or her. But with some kids? WOW! I would not want to end up there.

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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Maybe I'm too “immature” to be a good Father however I would never do something like that to my daughter. She was just being a normal teenager and surely there would have been a better way to resolve the issue than making a video and shooting her laptop.

      Being a normal teenager by publicly insulting your parents - after being grounded once before for the same offense - should be just kinda swept away? Ignored perhaps? You think that would have been a better lesson?

      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Maybe Dave. However I'm 99% certain I wouldn't result to that.
      And I am 99% sure that when you do have teenagers, your viewpoint - and parenting skills - will shift dramatically. Trust me - I am on my third teen with one more on the horizon

      Not saying you'd shoot a computer - just that things will be different...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Being a normal teenager by publicly insulting your parents - after being grounded once before for the same offense - should be just kinda swept away? Ignored perhaps? You think that would have been a better lesson?
        No. I just think there could have been a better way of dealing with it.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Just because I'm curious by nature, how would you have handled it, do you think, Jonathan?

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            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Just because I'm curious by nature, how would you have handled it, do you think, Jonathan?

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            Well I don't know to be honest. Anything other than creating a YouTube video and shooting her laptop. I definitely wouldn't have made it public to everyone.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              But see the thing is that he warned her if she did that again he would put a bullet through it.

              So if he didn't follow through with that promise, threat, warning, whatever you choose to label it, she wouldn't take his discipline seriously next time and try to push her limits even more.

              I know you could argue otherwise, but come on, you were a teenager once, right?

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                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                So if he didn't follow through with that promise, threat, warning, whatever you choose to label it, she wouldn't take his discipline seriously next time and try to push her limits even more.
                I think it's a stupid, over the top "promise" in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    As a little kid, I was given some guns by a friend. I called him my uncle, even though we weren't related. Anyway, I got a shotgun, and a revolver. And I shot both for target practice, but the shotgun had a smaller caliber as well that was a regular rifle, and I only used that as I recall. I ALSO had access to perhaps ALL of his guns. He had at least a half dozen small guns. I only shot them on land SANCTIONED for target practice. There are a lot of regulations and, for open target practice, at least THERE, only some places are allowed, so you can't hit people, hurt property, or disturb the public.

    Unfortunately, he died and, by the time I recovered, since I was in the same accident, his estranged kids descended like locusts to lock things down, and got everything I had been given as well. He used to be a jehovahs witness and apparently did something against the church, and was thrown out. But he was a nice guy, and treated me like a son. In THOSE days that didn't seem odd.

    Anyway, I only got one gun myself and that was, ironically, because the US government was about to outlaw it! Nobody knew the full impact of the law at the time, so there was a shortage on guns and a LOT of buyers. So I can own the gun now, but not get the full function parts, or sell the gun or buy any other like it. I ALSO got the best ammunition I could, which was outlawed after the hollywood incident. I have only used the gun on target ranges. In my home, it is locked up and well hidden.

    So YEAH, some people get guns only in case, and don't have any desire to advertise them, brag, or use them.

    Oh well, I guess that father is lucky he didn't have **MY** gun! HIS is the one that, last I knew, could be legally bought/sold, and only had 9 shots. Mine has 17. I wonder if the extra 8 shots would add to the insults.

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    Jonathan, Dad was only responding in public to issues that the daughter had already made public via FB.

    Like Terra stated, she had already been warned about such behavior.
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      Well maybe it's a cultural thing.
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    It was too amazing.. Thank god I never even thought of doing anything like what his kid did.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I can't relate to that father at all. He's overbearing, high and mighty, and tactless. I sure wouldn't lay that BS trip on my son. There are more effective and educational ways to convey a message.
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    • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I can't relate to that father at all. He's overbearing, high and mighty, and tactless. I sure wouldn't lay that BS trip on my son. There are more effective and educational ways to convey a message.
      Thunder, I know you really believe that. Is there any chance you don't understand the dynamic of their relationship? Of the culture in which he (and ultimately she) was raised?

      Why does Siri (Apple's voice recognition system) have a female voice in the US but has a male voice in the UK? There are dynamics in each culture that you could not understand unless you are aware they exist.

      I live inside of the same region of the US this guy does (based on his accent) and I can tell you that this man loves his daughter. The mindset is that you must be the dominant male role model in your daughters life. He was fulfilling what he thought was necessary based on his culture.

      Right or wrong, it is kind of irrelevant. This man will not change his mind about how he raises his daughter. He did not harm her or directly threaten her. To ask this man to change how he parents is like trying to stop isolated villages from practicing rituals that are viewed as "inhuman" by current standards. The tribes see them as rites of passage while we see them as barbarism.

      Who then is right?
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Breakinglink View Post

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        I live inside of the same region of the US this guy does (based on his accent) and I can tell you that this man loves his daughter. The mindset is that you must be the dominant male role model in your daughters life. He was fulfilling what he thought was necessary based on his culture. <snip>
        I've lived in lots of cultures and if there is one thing I have learned, individuals are different. Some are mentally agile and flexible, and more likely to be diplomatic inclined towards strategic and educational solutions involving dialog. Others are rigid-minded and inflexible, and more likely to be disciplinarians inclined towards violent solutions involving forcefully imposing one's will on those over whom they have power. I've come to believe genetics is biggest determinant in how someone will behave. I'd wager that that guy was born that way and would be the same anywhere and that culture has nothing to do with it. He'd use a rock on that computer if access to guns wasn't easy.

        To ask this man to change how he parents is like trying to stop isolated villages from practicing rituals that are viewed as "inhuman" by current standards. The tribes see them as rites of passage while we see them as barbarism.

        Who then is right?
        I agree with you on this point.
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        • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          I've lived in lots of cultures and if there is one thing I have learned, individuals are different. Some are mentally agile and flexible, and more likely to be diplomatic inclined towards strategic and educational solutions involving dialog. Others are rigid-minded and inflexible, and more likely to be disciplinarians inclined towards violent solutions involving forcefully imposing one's will on those over whom they have power. I've come to believe genetics is biggest determinant in how someone will behave. I'd wager that that guy was born that way and would be the same anywhere and that culture has nothing to do with it. He'd use a rock on that computer if access to guns wasn't easy..
          If that is so how do you suppose he would be capable of changing his attitude?
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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by Breakinglink View Post

            If that is so how do you suppose he would be capable of changing his attitude?
            I don't, lol. I'd stay the hell away from that guy.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          I've lived in lots of cultures and if there is one thing I have learned, individuals are different.
          You really DON'T seem to know that! This post, and the others, make that clear. You are saying that the FATHER should be the same because the child will be! WELL, if the father can be different, as you say, WHY can't the daughter be different? If the DAUGHTER is different, WHY do you expect her to act the same?

          You use yourself, and brothers, to back up your theory. I am SICK of that garbage! That experience is TAINTED and invalid! ANYONE that is the least bit intelligent will tel you so. You violated at least 4 criteria.

          1. Not Controlled.
          2. Not Monitored.
          3. Too small a sample.
          4. NO diversity.

          If the world worked as you claim, we could throw whole families in jail and get rid of all crime! We could have books on raising kids that actually work, ALL THE TIME! I tried checking out dr spocks book. There are few reviews, and the ones saying good seem to be from people with young kids, or no kids at all! The ones that say it is bad say things like he changes, suggests flouride for babies, etc...

          Some are mentally agile and flexible, and more likely to be diplomatic inclined towards strategic and educational solutions involving dialog.
          So waffling is a sign of a string mind? SINCE WHEN?

          Others are rigid-minded and inflexible, and more likely to be disciplinarians inclined towards violent solutions involving forcefully imposing one's will on those over whom they have power.
          So rigid people are ALWAYS violent? WOW, I've known some gentle pacifists that were very inflexible. Then again, I have known violent people that WERE flexible. OOOPS!

          I've come to believe genetics is biggest determinant in how someone will behave.
          Thank you for agreeing with me! This makes your statement about the 6 kids meaningless, and kind of puts an end to the debate!

          I'd wager that that guy was born that way and would be the same anywhere and that culture has nothing to do with it. He'd use a rock on that computer if access to guns wasn't easy.
          Well, kim DID say HE would use a sledghammer! I thought a lot before coming out with the tissue paper comment. I mean even NOTEBOOK paper can be abrasive.

          Culture DOES play a part though.

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            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

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            So waffling is a sign of a string mind? SINCE WHEN?<snip>

            LOL. "Waffling" is a loaded word. Since when? Since the emergence of dialog and the advent of diplomacy. That would be since the dawn of humanity and probably even before that.
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    The dude in the video needs some serious counselling
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    I was going to stay far away from this but I just can't. There is a huge difference between discipline and abuse. That's what most of you are arguing about whether you know it or not. Plain fact, abusive adults raise abused children who become abusive adults and the beat goes on. It isn't just the hat, the cigarette or the gun that tells me much about this guy. The voice tone alone is enough to stand the hair up on the back of my neck. I know an abuser when I hear one. I grew up in a household with a hat wearing, gun wielding, I'm so cool I can't stand myself jerk that looks a whole lot like this guy. Five of us did. Each of us ran when we were old enough. What we each learned is that you don't run from all the scars or all the damage. That has to be dealt with (or not) as an adult. For me it took active church involvement and years of counseling. This girl is going to have huge issues to deal with as an adult. It seems she already does.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

      I was going to stay far away from this but I just can't. There is a huge difference between discipline and abuse. That's what most of you are arguing about whether you know it or not. Plain fact, abusive adults raise abused children who become abusive adults and the beat goes on. It isn't just the hat, the cigarette or the gun that tells me much about this guy. The voice tone alone is enough to stand the hair up on the back of my neck. I know an abuser when I hear one. I grew up in a household with a hat wearing, gun wielding, I'm so cool I can't stand myself jerk that looks a whole lot like this guy. Five of us did. Each of us ran when we were old enough. What we each learned is that you don't run from all the scars or all the damage. That has to be dealt with (or not) as an adult. For me it took active church involvement and years of counseling. This girl is going to have huge issues to deal with as an adult. It seems she already does.

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      Sorry you had to go through that in your life Thomas (no one should have to), but humans are simply not that easy to figure out. Attitude and hats don't make an abuser. I'm not saying he ISN'T what you think. But I can tell you looks can be deceiving.

      My father had that kind of swagger. Mr. tough guy, cigarette smoking roofer. The kind of guy who used to carry 2 full bundles of shingles up a 25 ft extension ladder at a time (80 pounds each). No one would mess with him if he went to a bar. At home, if we did something wrong he could throw a look that would make your knees knock. But... he never laid a hand on any of us, he never told us we were stupid, never made us feel worthless. He punished us when we did things wrong and he could yell loud if he was pushed hard... but he was a pussycat underneath it all. If you didn't know him, you'd probably have the same opinion of him as you do this guy.

      The cover doesn't always tell the whole story...
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

      I was going to stay far away from this but I just can't. There is a huge difference between discipline and abuse. That's what most of you are arguing about whether you know it or not. Plain fact, abusive adults raise abused children who become abusive adults and the beat goes on. It isn't just the hat, the cigarette or the gun that tells me much about this guy. The voice tone alone is enough to stand the hair up on the back of my neck. I know an abuser when I hear one. I grew up in a household with a hat wearing, gun wielding, I'm so cool I can't stand myself jerk that looks a whole lot like this guy. Five of us did. Each of us ran when we were old enough. What we each learned is that you don't run from all the scars or all the damage. That has to be dealt with (or not) as an adult. For me it took active church involvement and years of counseling. This girl is going to have huge issues to deal with as an adult. It seems she already does.

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      Wow, I'm sorry you had to suffer such horrible pain.

      But I find fault in your statement when you say that children of abusers grow up to become abusers. You yourself have just stated that you are okay now after much counseling and I am so happy for you. But in your statement you emphatically state that you are destined to be an abuser.

      However, I'm sure after counseling that you're not.

      I'm sorry, but life experiences aren't so cut and dry. I know people who grew up in abusive homes and are wonderful parents, upbeat and positive with phenomenal relationships with their kids.

      You see, we all have free will to choose how we will live our lives. Life experience can make you bitter or better, it's the "I" that makes the difference between the two.

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    I'd say that's bad parenting coz negativity can never counter negativity!
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    OH, and WHAT is IM? HERE, people take that to mean Internet marketing! BUT... that CAN'T be what you mean here, because you are talking about over 19 people spanning 5 generations. IM has only been around about 15 years, or ONE generation.

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      OH, and WHAT is IM? HERE, people take that to mean Internet marketing! BUT... that CAN'T be what you mean here, because you are talking about over 19 people spanning 5 generations. IM has only been around about 15 years, or ONE generation.
      Ummm... Steve? You have GOT to stop elbowing the old ladies out of the way to get to the Metamucil. You went and bruised your funny bone again!
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    I have to admit his use of those numbers did almost make me spew coffee on my monitor.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon against other human beings.

    The media and holywood has portrayed them as dumb hicks, simply because they themselves don't know the culture, and honestly don't really care to learn about it. But these people are anything but dumb, and they use guns as a tool, just like many people have done for years.

    A majority of the time they are used for the gathering of food, or the recreational gathering of food (hunting). But when you have one around, you quickly learn that they can be used for instance as a hammer - like when you need to destroy something - eg. a laptop.

    But owning a gun does NOT automatically mean the person is "dumb" or have a violent tendency. These people are very respectful of firearms. And as a matter of fact, far more "gun" deaths in America have occurred outside of this southern gun toting culture.

    And by the way, any of you that care to learn about this man, instead of forming your own judgements based on stereotypes, his facebook is an open page...

    https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

    Here's an excerpt from his page:

    "I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all.
    I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.

    I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT?
    I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!

    I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious.
    (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to.
    (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)

    I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes.
    I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.

    I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)

    I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy

    I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.

    That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter.
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    For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol

    Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.

    The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?

    The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)

    She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)"
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      One person thinks the father's voice is proof of abusive tendencies - or that a hat or the way he walks is a clue to personality. It's natural - and probably the physical characteristics related in their mind to bad experiences they've personally had.

      To me, the man appears honest and straightforward. I don't see shooting the laptop as waste as it was done to make a point in a certain way...but that's my view of it.

      My perception is based on my life experiences with men who were gruff and tough - and could be trusted to have your back no matter what. To me, the father was a man who would look you in eye and say what he thought without backing down.

      A story like this brings the emotional baggage of your past to the fore without you realizing it. If you will insult others to "prove" your opinion about a person and family none of us knows - add control issues to the mix.

      We've seen less than 5 minutes of a family's life - we know nothing about the people. But stories like this are great for drawing conclusions, aren't they?

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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon against other human beings.
      HECK YEAH! I have one IN CASE! I spoke earlier of my "uncle". His name was Andy, by the way. He had LOTS of guns. Did he have holsters? HECK YEAH! Did he EVER go around with a gun? Not once in the whole time I knew him. He made parts for companies, and some of them were U.S. military. I bet they vetted him WELL. We had disagreements, but he never so much as THREATENED to slap me.

      OH, I guess he was evil though! They last time I saw him, I wasn't quite 8. He died before that. Anyway, he gave me parts for a band saw, made the band, and helped me put it together. It was a REAL saw, and I cut wood with it! He let me use his table saw! AGAIN, REAL, and I cut wood with it. He took me to his machine shop, and I got to see the attachments, which were OBVIOUSLY sharp! I saw the machines run, and even fed one! Steel rod goes in one side, and the parts shoot out the other. He EVEN let me use one of his lathes, and I tooled a piece of metal. Some would call THAT child abuse! BUT, when I left, I had NO scratches, NO CUTS, NO BRUISES, and could still see FINE. Those machines DID cut metal at high speed, so there was always the risk of getting hit with a filing. So obviously it was a good idea to have eye protection.

      I have known people and later found that they had guns. They tended to be nice and even tempered.

      Do all with computers play games all day or hack? Do all good cooks enter cooking contests, or even get paid for it? Do all that own axes use them as weapons? NOPE! So why would a person with a firearm be evil?

      BTW a LOT of construction workers have used a tool that uses BULLETS to set fasteners in concrete, to build homes!

      The media and holywood has portrayed them as dumb hicks, simply because they themselves don't know the culture, and honestly don't really care to learn about it. But these people are anything but dumb, and they use guns as a tool, just like many people have done for years.
      Yeah, imagine where we would be without guns. There would be a LOT more deer, etc... and less meat on the table. The US would probably be smaller. Europe could possibly all be part of nazi germany. A lot of women in earlier times might have been hurt, etc... There is a lot to be considered. HECK, some people reading this NOW might not be alive were it not for guns. Who's to say that your great great great grandmother wasn't saved with a gun. And at least guns are selective. If a murderer couldn't use a gun, they might use poison or a bomb.

      A majority of the time they are used for the gathering of food, or the recreational gathering of food (hunting). But when you have one around, you quickly learn that they can be used for instance as a hammer - like when you need to destroy something - eg. a laptop.
      Good one!

      But owning a gun does NOT automatically mean the person is "dumb" or have a violent tendency. These people are very respectful of firearms. And as a matter of fact, far more "gun" deaths in America have occurred outside of this southern gun toting culture.

      And by the way, any of you that care to learn about this man, instead of forming your own judgements based on stereotypes, his facebook is an open page...

      https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

      Here's an excerpt from his page:

      "I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all.
      I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.

      I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT?
      I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!

      I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious.
      (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to.
      (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)

      I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes.
      I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.

      I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)

      I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy

      I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.

      That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter.
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol

      Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.

      The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?

      The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)

      She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)"
      He still sounds like a nice guy. He just comes off as nice to me.

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon against other human beings.<snip>
      I lived on a remote farm in South America for a time. Guns were used to shoot hares and horse rustlers.

      [I]"I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all.
      I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.

      I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT?
      [B]I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!<snip>
      His self-deprecating sense of humor does modify my impression of him. I don't know him so obviously am not properly informed to give an educated assessment of him (and even if I was, I ain't no shrink).

      In reflecting on it, I'm going to "waffle" and say that, if he does indeed engage in regular conversation with his daughter, as he apparently does, and isn't some overbearing micro-managing and temperamental tyrant, maybe this whole episode might have been a good thing. The daughter would probably be better off:
      1. not getting caught up in social media sites and their associated mind-games.
      2. Being more involved with the real world vs cyber-world, focusing more on studies and getting exercise playing Frisbee or something instead of computer games or suchlike.
      3. Being able to make a living from a young age, working and making her own money and more fully appreciating what she has since she had to work and pay for it herself. I personally want my son to be able to make money by the time he's 15 (but not at McDonald's, lol).
      4. Understanding the power of the written word, especially with social media and its potentially viral nature. The power of the written word should not be underestimated. Words on Facebook have triggered beatings, murders and suicides.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Now your are again blatantly lying.
    But damn, I missed the insult you just mentioned.
    I must be getting old.
    Of course not everyone agrees with my opinion, we here in off topic are used to that,and we have great discussions about things. But you chose to take the discussion to another level that no one else was doing.

    You never tried to "calm the waters" as you say,instead you kept tossing gasoline on the flames, and you know. Insulting someone then lying about it, is called backpedaling where I come from,and that is what you did numerous times,and as has been pointed out,I am not the only one to see it that way.

    I need to get off my high horse? You need to get a grip on reality.
    You have been on the forum about 6 months and you think you know something about this place.
    I had no fight to pick with you, I made a comment that you had no clue about something,something that is said around here quite frequently,then you decided to take an all out attack on me. You are lucky I haven't given you infraction after infraction because of the comments you made.
    You said:
    " You might have a few of "the regulars" jumping on the bandwagon to fight your corner now, but understand that no friends list in any text-based community will ever make your point of view righter than anyone else's."

    Maybe you should listen to your own words. Nothing will make your point of view any more valid.
    I never said mine was the only, and actually a lot of those who don't share my view do share my friendship and respect.
    The majority of the people here are my friends,and if we disagree we don't insult each other,we just disagree and move on.

    You know, you could have very easily posted that I was misunderstanding you and your sorry,or that we should try to move on,but instead you kept piling it on.
    To me, more than anything else,it shows me what kind of character you have.
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    • Profile picture of the author Riggs
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Now your are again blatantly lying.
      No.

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      You have been on the forum about 6 months and you think you know something about this place.
      You disputed my first post in this thread and assumed, by what it said, you knew something about me. Tell me, how do you decipher I'm another person that "doesn't have a clue" by a single post that neutrally expresses my perspective?

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      To me, more than anything else,it shows me what kind of character you have.
      Gabbatha!
      Indications of each other's character are all we have online. You can't know a person's story by just their username and a few of their posts. Though without justification, you naively assumed you knew mine.

      In the space of only a few minutes you've contradicted yourself and managed to support the exact point your argument opposes. Well done.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        No.



        You disputed my first post in this thread and assumed, by what it said, you knew something about me. Tell me, how do you decipher I'm another person that "doesn't have a clue" by a single post that neutrally expresses my perspective?

        I didn't assume anything about you except what that the statement that you made indicated,and what almost every post you have made since then has proven. You didn't and still don't have a clue. In the beginning I didn't know a thing about you,now I know too much,



        Indications of each other's character are all we have online. You can't know a person's story by just their username and a few of their posts. Though without justification, you naively assumed you knew mine.

        Reread what I wrote above,once again you are wrong. I didn't assume I knew your story and I didn't,and still don't care to know your story.

        In the space of only a few minutes you've contradicted yourself and managed to support the exact point your argument opposes. Well done.

        I have not contradicted myself anywhere,You on the other hand have numerous times.As to supporting the point my argument opposes, please explain,I don't see that anywhere.
        You even posted that to show you were the better (your words,not words I would use to describe you) that you were leaving this thread, yet you haven't.


        The person making huge,incorrect assumptions in this thread seems to be mainly you.

        Let's see,what else did you say?
        " I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches."

        You have shown zero maturity and dignity in this thread and now you are being insulting to others besides myself. You hvae taken no responsibility for your actions as I pointed out several times, you lie,then backpeddle, then rinse and repeat. The majority of your comments have been mean spirited ,not funny.
        You have been cast as a fool because you have proven yourself one. You have done so,none of us did it to you.

        As far as defending accordingly as you said "something which that man's daughter never got the chance to"

        Well, you need to learn to research. She not only had several chances to, she has done so and very publicly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          I have not contradicted myself anywhere,You on the other hand have numerous times.As to supporting the point my argument opposes, please explain,I don't see that anywhere.
          You even posted that to show you were the better (your words,not words I would use to describe you) that you were leaving this thread, yet you haven't.


          The person making huge,incorrect assumptions in this thread seems to be mainly you.

          Let's see,what else did you say?
          " I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches."

          You have shown zero maturity and dignity in this thread and now you are being insulting to others besides myself. You hvae taken no responsibility for your actions as I pointed out several times, you lie,then backpeddle, then rinse and repeat. The majority of your comments have been mean spirited ,not funny.
          You have been cast as a fool because you have proven yourself one. You have done so,none of us did it to you.

          As far as defending accordingly as you said "something which that man's daughter never got the chance to"

          Well, you need to learn to research. She not only had several chances to, she has done so and very publicly.
          Look back at my first post:

          "Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said."

          Look at your first reply to that post:

          "Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue."

          Now ask yourself this, who naively insulted who first? You can point your finger at me all day but the bottom line is you didn't just start this fight, you repeatedly provoked it.

          I really don't have the time nor patience to sit here and play argumentative ping pong with you while you keep attempting to childishly twist my words.

          This is the internet. People have different perspectives.
          Get over it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Jacob,

    Humor me here for a moment. Seriously... How would your father's friends react if you spoke to them the way you've been speaking here?


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    • Profile picture of the author Riggs
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Jacob,

      Humor me here for a moment. Seriously... How would your father's friends react if you spoke to them the way you've been speaking here?


      Paul
      I do not know. I choose not affiliate myself with many of my father's friends for a number of reasons. Everyone is different and as I've already said, it would be naive to judge the mindset of someone I don't know.

      Humored?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Jacob,
        I do not know. I choose not affiliate myself with my many of my father's friends for a number of reasons.
        Fair enough. Thank you. I expect you have some idea of how they'd react, but that's just a guess.

        The point is, many of us here are probably the same age as, or older than, your father. I'm 53, and I'm not the oldest pony in the paddock this time around.
        Everyone is different and as I've already said, it would be naive to judge the mindset of someone you don't know.
        Then why have you done it yourself, and defended it so vigorously?


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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Then why have you done it yourself, and defended it so vigorously?
          I'm very careful with the words I use in what I say and I know for a fact that never happened. I suspect you're either hopelessly attempting to tag-team me into argument submission, or you've genuinely misread something I've said. Therefore, I respectfully ask that you supply evidence to support that accusation.

          Go on, humor me.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            Look back at my first post:

            "Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said."

            Look at your first reply to that post:

            "Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue."

            Yes,that is exactly what I said.And I stand by it.

            Now ask yourself this, who naively insulted who first? You can point your finger at me all day but the bottom line is you didn't just start this fight, you repeatedly provoked it.

            Dude, if that is an insult to you ,you need thicker skin. I had already posted to another reply the exact same words. They didn't take it as an insult and get bent out of shape. And this is wjere you are really delusional beyond belief, Even attempting to say I started this and then repeatedly provoked it shows a mind so far attached to reality that is beyong comprehension.

            I really don't have the time nor patience to sit here and play argumentative ping pong with you while you keep attempting to childishly twist my words.


            If you don't have time,why are you sill doing it? And with all the wriggling your trying to do to get out of your original statements, no one here needs to swist your words,your doing a damn fine job by yourself.

            This is the internet. People have different perspectives.
            Get over it

            People having different perspectives? The only person I see here having issues with that is the High and Mighty Riggs. Nuff said, Get over it.
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            I'm very careful with the words I use in what I say and I know for a fact that never happened. I suspect you're either hopelessly attempting to tag-team me into argument submission, or you've genuinely misread something I've said. Therefore, I respectfully ask that you supply evidence to support that accusation.

            Go on, humor me.

            A word of caution. You really don't have a clue of the line you are crossing here.

            I really want to say something here,but Ihave a feeling things will resolve themselves shortly.
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            • Profile picture of the author Riggs
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              A word of caution. You really don't have a clue of the line you are crossing here.

              I really want to say something here,but Ihave a feeling things will resolve themselves shortly.
              Oh please, I'm quivering in my cowboy boots.

              Give it a rest, your threat incitations don't scare me. :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                Oh please, I'm quivering in my cowboy boots.

                Give it a rest, your threat incitations don't scare me. :rolleyes:
                Ummmm,

                That was not a threat of any kind, but a friendly warning (whether you wear cowboy boots or not.)

                The same would apply to me even though my cowboy boots are pink.

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                • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  Ummmm,

                  That was not a threat of any kind, but a friendly warning (whether you wear cowboy boots or not.)

                  The same would apply to me even though my cowboy boots are pink.

                  Terra
                  What are you, KimW's personal mascot? I'm sure he can speak for himself.

                  Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                  But here is a warning from me. I have been on this forum a long time. During that time I have never given any one an infraction. Any more insults or derogatory remarks and you are about to become my first.
                  Pulling out the big guns I see. :rolleyes:
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                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                    Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                    What are you, KimW's personal mascot? I'm sure he can speak for himself.
                    No, he needs no mascot, however I am his personal friend and don't mind being a cheerleader for any of my friends, that's what friends do.

                    As for speaking for Kim, no, I was speaking for me from experience and know full well Kim can speak for himself, and I'll personally cheer for him as he continues to do so! :rolleyes:

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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                Oh please, I'm quivering in my cowboy boots.

                Give it a rest, your threat incitations don't scare me. :rolleyes:
                LOL - you haven't had the "pleasure" of a full-on debate with Paul Myers. I did once, back in like 2001 or so. It's rare anyone gets the best of him.

                Kim wasn't threatening you though. We have all seen this before. Us "old salts" on this forum actually enjoy watching Paul in action.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Wow this thread got interesting
      What a lot of the non parents are missing is different kids require different punishments.
      I raised 4 daughters (1 mine and 3 step-daughters as most already know).
      Each one required a different approach when it came to punishment for bad behaviour.
      The fathers video reminded me of my oldest step-daughter.
      In fact I did something similar with her and our house phone once.
      She was being punished and her 'life line' was the phone, this is before cell phones. She was not allowed to use the phone for 2 weeks once for doing something stupid. The first 2 days of the phone ban I came home from work and caught her on the phone. The third day I caught her I simply took the phone off the wall and smashed it with a hammer. Then I bought a new phone and locked it up in our security box.. If we wanted to make a call we would just plug it in, do the call, then unplug the phone and lock it away. Sure I could of just locked up the first phone, but that wouldn't of had the same effect on the girl as smashing it did. For my other kids locking it up would of worked.
      As far as their boyfriends, meeting them for the first time was always fun for me and the wife
      Sal is the only person here who has met me and she will tell you I'm not the friendliest looking person and in person I will tell you what I really think ( I tend to be nicer online) When a new boy would should up my daughter(s) would introduce them to me and the wife. I would say "It doesn't matter what your name is, you won't be around long enough for me to bother learning it." Then as they where leaving I'd say "Remember this, I've been in prison before and I like it." Never had a problem with the boys and only the good ones made it to a second date.
      The girls always knew I had their back and knew I would defend them to death. They also knew if they did something wrong, they would be punished.
      What worked with the oldest wasn't what worked with the youngest.
      With my young one, talking to her and explaining what she did wrong so she understood why it was wrong worked better then any other type of punishment. With the oldest you had to take away something that was important to her like the father in the video did.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        The third day I caught her I simply took the phone off the wall and smashed it with a hammer.
        I think people are shocked w/ this guy's use of the gun. But he was using it as a hammer. Roofers do it all of the time
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Wow this thread got interesting
        What a lot of the non parents are missing is different kids require different punishments.
        I raised 4 daughters (1 mine and 3 step-daughters as most already know).
        Each one required a different approach when it came to punishment for bad behaviour.
        The fathers video reminded me of my oldest step-daughter.
        In fact I did something similar with her and our house phone once.
        She was being punished and her 'life line' was the phone, this is before cell phones. She was not allowed to use the phone for 2 weeks once for doing something stupid. The first 2 days of the phone ban I came home from work and caught her on the phone. The third day I caught her I simply took the phone off the wall and smashed it with a hammer. Then I bought a new phone and locked it up in our security box.. If we wanted to make a call we would just plug it in, do the call, then unplug the phone and lock it away. Sure I could of just locked up the first phone, but that wouldn't of had the same effect on the girl as smashing it did. For my other kids locking it up would of worked.
        As far as their boyfriends, meeting them for the first time was always fun for me and the wife
        Sal is the only person here who has met me and she will tell you I'm not the friendliest looking person and in person I will tell you what I really think ( I tend to be nicer online) When a new boy would should up my daughter(s) would introduce them to me and the wife. I would say "It doesn't matter what your name is, you won't be around long enough for me to bother learning it." Then as they where leaving I'd say "Remember this, I've been in prison before and I like it." Never had a problem with the boys and only the good ones made it to a second date.
        The girls always knew I had their back and knew I would defend them to death. They also knew if they did something wrong, they would be punished.
        What worked with the oldest wasn't what worked with the youngest.
        With my young one, talking to her and explaining what she did wrong so she understood why it was wrong worked better then any other type of punishment. With the oldest you had to take away something that was important to her like the father in the video did.
        Bingo, Thom!

        And I believe that, right there is the key to successful parenting!

        We raised three kids, two daughters and a son each requiring a different distinct parenting technique or method, if you will.

        There is no way a technique for one of them would have been successful for the other two and if we had attempted to utilize one methodology for another child, the results would have been disastrous for both us and the child.

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    Thom,
    I'll have a drink with you anyday,scary looking or not!

    and oh yeah, you too Gary even though politically we are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think people are shocked w/ this guy's use of the gun. But he was using it as a hammer. Roofers do it all of the time
      I know When it got to that part of the video my first thought was my buddy Ron would of used either his .357 or he would of set up the laptop about 300 yards out and used his .300 Weatherby mag
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Thom,
      I'll have a drink with you anyday,scary looking or not!

      and oh yeah, you too Gary even though politically we are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum.
      It's kinda disarming and funny when I'm out in public.
      Basically I look like the typical old outlaw biker.
      But I am probably the most polite, quite spoken, person you'll meet.
      Apparently not what people expect
      At the same time if I think you're an idiot, I'll look you in the eyes and tell you you're an idiot.

      If I drank I'd have one with you any day and Gary also.
      Like it or not, one of the great things about this country is we can all have different political views.
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    Sounds good to me Thom,
    I don't drink liquor, Here I was afraid I'd be drinking ice tea while you were downing shots of tequila! (what I used to drink when I did)
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    Dude, no threat. A reality check. In case you misunderstood,which you seem to do with everything, I was not referencing myself.

    But here is a warning from me. I have been on this forum a long time. During that time I have never given any one an infraction. Any more insults or derogatory remarks and you are about to become my first.
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    Unless you own fileice website you are breaking forum sig rules.

    Dude, you are a keyboard bully. I hope your parents are proud of you. You appear to be about the age of my daughter. Luckily she has learned to have respect for people,men and women, you haven't.

    Terra was not standing up for me, she was telling you that what I was saying was fact.You are treading on real thin ice when you start challenging the MODS of this forum.
    Continue at your own risk.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      You appear to be about the age of my daughter.
      Maybe one day you can introduce us and she can teach me some manners.

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      You are treading on real thin ice when you start challenging the MODS of this forum.
      Continue at your own risk.
      No hard feelings keyboard Warrior, I didn't know you was a mod.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        Maybe one day you can introduce us and she can teach me some manners.



        No hard feelings keyboard Warrior, I didn't know you was a mod.


        I see you still feel the need to keep digging at people.
        I'm not the Mod.
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    Maybe when people get angry with ME again, they can remember THIS!

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Maybe when people get angry with ME again, they can remember THIS!

      Steve
      LOL Steve.
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    3 daughters and a stepdaughter here. The stepson was too old when I came into the picture. But you are both right,every one responds to different types of guidance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom E
    Glad I didn't have a father like that. Thanks to him, his daughter is going to grow up with a lot of issues. Not because of his youtube video, but because of his complete inability to GET his daughter at any level whatsoever.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Jacob,
        I didn't know you was a mod.
        He isn't. That really shouldn't matter, though. The ability to give good advice isn't restricted to moderators. If the advice is sound, the source is irrelevant.
        Go on, humor me.
        Sure.

        The principal offender:
        But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish.
        ... followed by...
        single digit IQ mong father
        Need I point out the assumptions you're expressing about the mindset of the gentleman in question, or do you see them already?

        BTW, the use of the word "mong" was not only obviously inaccurate (even in the slang sense), but rude to at least two large groups of people. The original 'target' of the word, people with Downs Syndrome, and an entire subset of the world's genetic pool, those referred to anthropologically as mongoloids.

        Then there was this one:
        Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
        Already answered, but it serves as another example.

        And, for one last example:
        I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons.
        I find that to be the most insulting comment you've made in this entire conversation. It assumes things about the mindset of the group as a whole, none of them anything but derogatory.

        And, on a completely different note: Repeatedly saying rude things and then claiming absolution because "it was a joke" is something most people learn not to do when they're 12 or so.

        Once is often a simple misunderstanding of style or the environment. When it keeps happening, that is no longer grounds for a pass.

        Then you said to Kim:
        Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man.
        Which really explains the whole argument, dunnit? You appear to have decided to take on the whole group. You seem to think it's a battle, rather than a conversation. Alpha male crap.

        Testosterone rarely adds to effective communication. And no, you are not the only one guilty of that in this discussion.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Thom,
          Here's a scary thought for you Paul.
          They would all be my choices also
          I'd add "Tear in my Beer" by Hank Sr
          I can think of a great many things scarier than having something in common with you. Like, almost all of them.

          That said, if I were in a bar and someone played "Tear in my Beer," I would probably reply with Chris Ledoux's "There'll be a $5 Fine for Whining."



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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Thom,I can think of a great many things scarier than having something in common with you. Like, almost all of them.

            That said, if I were in a bar and someone played "Tear in my Beer," I would probably reply with Chris Ledoux's "There'll be a $5 Fine for Whining."

            YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


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            Y'all better quit or you'll go and make me into a Country music fan! LOL!

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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              Y'all better quit or you'll go and make me into a Country music fan! LOL!

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              Well, I have to confess,I have a Hank williams Jr song on my computer.
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                Well, I have to confess,I have a Hank williams Jr song on my computer.
                Awesome Kim!

                Confession is good for the soul, ain't it?

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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Y'all better quit or you'll go and make me into a Country music fan!
              Heaven forfend! What a terrable thought!

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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Heaven forfend! What a terrable thought!

                YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

                Thanks Paul,

                Okay, I'm sold, I'm a new Country music fan especially after you put it that way. I mean it has my name written all over it, doesn't it! :p

                Just wait for Sal to return and find out that I got me a bit of redneck after all.

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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  Thanks Paul,

                  Okay, I'm sold, I'm a new Country music fan especially after you put it that way. I mean it has my name written all over it, doesn't it! :p

                  Just wait for Sal to return and find out that I got me a bit of redneck after all.

                  Terra
                  Then you're ready for the King
                  The perfect country song,
                  and seeing how Paul and I have both talked a little about Hank Sr. & Jr., Here's a little Hank III
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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    Thom,

                    I don't think Terra is quite ready for The Perfect Country and Western Song just yet...


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                    • Profile picture of the author troybh
                      That father is a complete and total looser. The 15 year old girl is who she is because of how she was raised. Obviously from a looser father who doesnt think much of his kids. She is from a broken family. Father is a looser redneck smoker. If your gonna make a cool youtube video at least blow the crap out of the laptop. Good explosion or shoot it with a shotgun.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                        Originally Posted by troybh View Post

                        That father is a complete and total looser. The 15 year old girl is who she is because of how she was raised. Obviously from a looser father who doesnt think much of his kids. She is from a broken family. Father is a looser redneck smoker. If your gonna make a cool youtube video at least blow the crap out of the laptop. Good explosion or shoot it with a shotgun.

                        Um... what's a looser?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Um... what's a looser?
                          YES! With the appearance of the Wombat, we now have the perfect Warrior Forum offtopic thread.

                          Somebody call Steve Goodman!
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by troybh View Post

                        That father is a complete and total looser. The 15 year old girl is who she is because of how she was raised. Obviously from a looser father who doesnt think much of his kids. She is from a broken family. Father is a looser redneck smoker. If your gonna make a cool youtube video at least blow the crap out of the laptop. Good explosion or shoot it with a shotgun.
                        WOW, you INSULT him and then say he should have done MORE of what you say is bad?

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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                      Thom,

                      I don't think Terra is quite ready for The Perfect Country and Western Song just yet...


                      Paul

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                      Haha, you were right, Paul. I got to thinking maybe I should ease into this in small increments, lol!

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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          The principal offender:... followed by...Need I point out the assumptions you're expressing about the mindset of the gentleman in question, or do you see them already?
          "But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish."

          Actions are a type of behaviour. A "mindset" is a mental attitude. I was judging his actions, not his mindset. By definition they differ greatly.

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          BTW, the use of the word "mong" was not only obviously inaccurate (even in the slang sense), but rude to at least two large groups of people. The original 'target' of the word, people with Downs Syndrome, and an entire subset of the world's genetic pool, those referred to anthropologically as mongoloids.
          "If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related."

          Already stated that was a joke in my next reply that followed:

          "The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously. I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings."

          But I expect, like KimW, you will probably continue to call me out on that.

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Then there was this one:Already answered, but it serves as another example.
          "Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter."

          The keyword here is the word appears. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          And, for one last example:I find that to be the most insulting comment you've made in this entire conversation. It assumes things about the mindset of the group as a whole, none of them anything but derogatory.
          "Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons."

          The keyword here is the word expect. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Then you said to Kim:
          "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man."

          I did, now I'm back. Miss me? :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            "But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish."

            Actions are a type of behaviour. A "mindset" is a mental attitude. I was judging his actions, not his mindset. By definition they differ greatly.

            Actually they are intertwined.



            "If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related."

            Already stated that was a joke in my next reply that followed:

            "The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously. I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings."

            But I expect, like KimW, you will probably continue to call me out on that.

            Yes, because we know that once again you are making it up as you go along.



            "Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter."

            The keyword here is the word appears. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".



            "Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons."

            More than a couple. Yes,the forum as a whole is a marketing forum,but as you are well aware,THIS section of the forum is Off Topic,meaning for the most part its non marketing. To even make the suggeeation that you are making is once again,insulting.

            The keyword here is the word expect. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".



            "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man."

            Of course you didn't but I did correct your statement to the proper meaning. previously. No thanks needed.

            I did, now I'm back. Miss me? :rolleyes:
            And of course,as stated above, you did not walk away,you just took several hours to refine this post to the point it made you happy.

            Miss you? undoubtedly and resoundingly No. But then, I knew you couldn't stay away for long, You actually lasted longer than I expected.


            Since I answered you in the quote I have to put some text here so here you go.
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              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              Miss you? undoubtedly and resoundingly No. But then, I knew you couldn't stay away for long, You actually lasted longer than I expected.
              Maybe my father took my laptop away. :rolleyes:
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      Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

      Glad I didn't have a father like that. Thanks to him, his daughter is going to grow up with a lot of issues. Not because of his youtube video, but because of his complete inability to GET his daughter at any level whatsoever.
      Sigh, not again.

      Take a minute and research before you post. he and his daughter will be fine.
      He GETS his daughter and is raising her apparently in a manner she DOES understand.

      Now, lets stop beating a dead horse,shall we?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom E
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Sigh, not again.

        Take a minute and research before you post. he and his daughter will be fine.
        He GETS his daughter and is raising her apparently in a manner she DOES understand.

        Now, lets stop beating a dead horse,shall we?
        No need to be derogatory here. It's just my opinion, just like you have your opinion about this. No need to get bent out of shape. I would delve further into my viewpoints, but I can see that you're out to pick a fight, so I'll just agree to strongly disagree with you. Hopefully, you'll have the sense to do the same.
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        • Profile picture of the author KimW
          Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

          No need to be derogatory here. It's just my opinion, just like you have your opinion about this. No need to get bent out of shape. I would delve further into my viewpoints, but I can see that you're out to pick a fight, so I'll just agree to strongly disagree with you. Hopefully, you'll have the sense to do the same.
          OMG, do we have a shill here?
          I asked you to research before you post,as what you stated has been disproven over and over in the thread. People have quoted from both the fathers's and the daughter's FB pages.

          I am not out to pick a fight,but it sounds like you are. Why you are so bent out of shape because you were asked to research is beyond me. Most people actually do that before expressing an opinion.

          If you had done so there would have been no need to be 'beating a dead horse".
          Have a great day.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom E
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            OMG, do we have a shill here?
            I asked you to research before you post,as what you stated has been disproven over and over in the thread. People have quoted from both the fathers's and the daughter's FB pages.

            I am not out to pick a fight,but it sounds like you are. Why you are so bent out of shape because you were asked to research is beyond me. Most people actually do that before expressing an opinion.

            If you had done so there would have been no need to be 'beating a dead horse".
            Have a great day.
            Kim, you assumed that I didn't do my "research". You are wrong - I read through most of the thread before I posted my original post. Which I stand behind. Just let it go - I'm just stating my opinion here, not the Gospel. My truth is as valid for me as your truth is for you. I'm not wrong here - and neither are you. It's just opinions, no need to get bent out of shape.
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              Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

              Kim, you assumed that I didn't do my "research". You are wrong - I read through most of the thread before I posted my original post. Which I stand behind. Just let it go - I'm just stating my opinion here, not the Gospel. My truth is as valid for me as your truth is for you. I'm not wrong here - and neither are you. It's just opinions, no need to get bent out of shape.
              You are indeed welcome to your opinion. No matter how wrong it is. (Relax,I'm joking ,ok?)
              Though in all seriousness I honestly don't see how you can say what you did after doing your research. Because as stated before, he does get his daughter,his daughter gets him,and My guess is she will grow up a fine young adult with the regular issues young adults have,but not because of her father.

              Either way,you want to think I'm bent out of shape,which Im not, your welcome to think that.
              I can respect your opinion without agreeing with it.Thats what makes good discussions.
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      Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

      Glad I didn't have a father like that. Thanks to him, his daughter is going to grow up with a lot of issues. Not because of his youtube video, but because of his complete inability to GET his daughter at any level whatsoever.
      I don't care to even guess how she's going to evolve, but what I can guess is, the moment after watching the video she'll instictively want to rip out his hair with her teeth. I can only hope that the firearm is stashed well away.

      People who air their dirty laundry in public aren't worth their weight in salt. I can't think of anything which demonstrates more brilliantly how broken down communication actually is if a person needs to broadcast a family issue infront of every man and his dog.

      For that reason alone, I would not waste any amount of time researching this man. His finishing antics with the gun are enough for me to give him the same amount of respect as an attention seeking child with a firearm on Break.com. It's no different. I suspect he might be wanting to score some man points with Ol' Hank down at the Shack.

      What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it. This includes having Police in his home. Oh the joys. All for the sake of a rant his daughter of a whole 15 years has typed up.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I don't care to even guess how she's going to evolve, but what I can guess is, the moment after watching the video she'll instictively want to rip out his hair with her teeth. I can only hope that the firearm is stashed well away.

        People who air their dirty laundry in public aren't worth their weight in salt. I can't think of anything which demonstrates more brilliantly how broken down communication actually is if a person needs to broadcast a family issue infront of every man and his dog.

        For that reason alone, I would not waste any amount of time researching this man. His finishing antics with the gun are enough for me to give him the same amount of respect as an attention seeking child with a firearm on Break.com.

        What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it.
        He's pretty much already done that on his FB wall. There's a link to it somewhere in this thread.

        For me, judging anyone for one act without knowing the dynamics of the family, etc. is short sighted. We all have done one thing or another that other people have called idiotic, stupid, etc. It is what it is. Life will go on for both the father and daughter. In fact, reading their posts, they were fine a few hours later whereas the rest of the world (seemingly) is still going on about it (yes...including me. It is sort of fascinating in a "Jerry Springer" sort of way )
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post


          For me, judging anyone for one act without knowing the dynamics of the family, etc. is short sighted. We all have done one thing or another that other people have called idiotic, stupid, etc.
          I disagree only for the fact that when you perform an action you should be well aware that many people will not take history into regard. More often than not they will take it at face value and it's likely it might not be a valuable factor anyways. It's not a civilized court situation. It's all manners of people from all walks of life calling conclusions based upon what's served up before them.

          We therefore have a responsibility to think before we act with this in mind. That's one of the biggest lessons we can ever learn as adults however it is not one he is relaying to his child. Quite the opposite. It's irony at it's very best.

          There is nothing in my mind however in this case that could ever justify dragging out personal family issues onto the Internet.

          It doesn't really matter what he now has on his FB Wall. He's already done his bit and people have already drawn their conclusions from it.

          I'm sure I can't use my history as an excuse to do somethig quite foolish to say "sorry" and admit that it was maybe wrong to lessen the blow. I'd sooner think before I act and not do it in the first place. As an adult that's my responsibility. As a parent it's his responsibility for himself - tenfold.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


            We therefore have a responsibility to think before we act with this in mind. That's one of the biggest lessons why can every learn as adults however it is not one he is relaying to his child. Quite the opposite. It's irony at it's very best.
            Quite the contrary,thats exactly what he was teaching her I don't see how you miss that

            There is nothing in my mind however in this case that could ever justify dragging out personal family issues onto the Internet.

            As I said earlier to you,you obiously don't understand this generation and their use of social media. Your values (and mine) are not theirs.

            It doesn't really matter what he now has on his FB Wall. He's already done his bit and people have already drawn their conclusions from it.

            1:see what I said above. 2: even if the conclusion is wrong??

            I'd sooner think before I act and not do it in the first place. As an adult that's my responsibility. As a parent it's his responsibility for himself - tenfold.
            And,again,he did think. She did something inappropriate a few months back.he told her the consequences if she did it again.She did it again and he followed through. I applaud the man,tenfold.

            To each his own. I applaud the man for following through with what he said he would do.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            I disagree only for the fact that when you perform an action you should be well aware that many people will not take history into regard. More often than not they will take it at face value and it's likely it might not be a valuable factor anyways. It's not a civilized court situation. It's all manners of people from all walks of life calling conclusions based upon what's served up before them.

            We therefore have a responsibility to think before we act with this in mind. That's one of the biggest lessons why can every learn as adults however it is not one he is relaying to his child. Quite the opposite. It's irony at it's very best.

            There is nothing in my mind however in this case that could ever justify dragging out personal family issues onto the Internet.

            It doesn't really matter what he now has on his FB Wall. He's already done his bit and people have already drawn their conclusions from it.

            I'm sure I can't use my history as an excuse to do somethig quite foolish to say "sorry" and admit that it was maybe wrong to lessen the blow. I'd sooner think before I act and not do it in the first place. As an adult that's my responsibility. As a parent it's his responsibility for himself - tenfold.
            I hear what you're saying. Evidently, this man could give a rats ass about what other people would think of how he decided to discipline his daughter. Other people misjudging or mis-characterizing his action is their issue, not his.

            Besides, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't implying he should use his past history as any form of excuse. What I said was that other people judging any persons entire character or parenting abilities from just ONE action is short sighted. Entirely different thing all together Like I said - we all do stupid things. That doesn't mean we are bad people, parents, whatever.

            I also think, based on what his own daughter wrote, that she did indeed get the lesson - loud and clear. And in fact, she has marveled at the public reaction.

            You can sit in judgement if that's your thing. But my opinion is that what he did served it's purpose for HIS family, whether you or others think it did or not. I am willing to bet he sleeps just fine at night knowing what you think of him
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Terra,
        Just wait for Sal to return and find out that I got me a bit of redneck after all.
        It's all about the accessories.

        Daniel,
        What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it. This includes having Police in his home. Oh the joys.
        Had you read the quotes in this thread from his Facebook page, you'd have seen that he did expect and accept that.

        But hey... Little details like that shouldn't be allowed to dampen a good knee-jerk, right?


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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Terra,It's all about the accessories.

          Paul
          Oh, well why didn't you say so earlier?

          I've got a real one at home just like it minus the "WF" and pink cowboy boots to match, lol!


          @Kim - I'm beginning to see that too. After reading some of the posts on the FB page and here, I'm thinking, what the heck? How did this happen?

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        I am AMAZED at how things like this "evolve". OK, I ALREADY told you about the two MAIN items. Let's take it at that. You could say I am all wet, but some things I may remember until I DIE! I haven't forgotten the essence of ANYTHING like this since I was 5, and even have memories going back before THAT!

        First of all, the person that aired this in public was NOT male! SHE was the daughter of a person that got fed up and decided to shoot her computer, as he earlier promised. He made THAT public because SHE already made it public! OK, got that?

        Second, what she did was NOT a female thing! I have personally seen people doing that all my life. I earlier was very fastidious. I atually labeled my library, and stored parts in cabinets. If not for the fact that my mother kept moving things, etc... I would probably STILL be like that. Still, I have seen MANY, female and MALE, act like she did. It is a child thing and it ebbs and flows, but often peaks around the teenage years! It happened when I was a kid, and movies go back DECADES before that indicating it happened THEN.

        So testosterone doesn't enter into it. Any male that dissagrees that says it does might as well be saying he has practically no testosterone. I don't even know about roid rage, since it seems to not affect everyone.

        ALSO, you can BET she was brought up around guns. Females brought up around guns in a reasonable manner tend to be more accepting and less fearful of them. Not to be political, but look at sara palin! She is practically a spokeswoman for them!

        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I don't care to even guess how she's going to evolve, but what I can guess is, the moment after watching the video she'll instictively want to rip out his hair with her teeth. I can only hope that the firearm is stashed well away.
        So I guess SHE has too much testosterone? Did you know females have 1/15th as much, on average, and if it even doubles they tend to have problems?

        People who air their dirty laundry in public aren't worth their weight in salt. I can't think of anything which demonstrates more brilliantly how broken down communication actually is if a person needs to broadcast a family issue infront of every man and his dog.
        Like I said, SHE did it!

        For that reason alone, I would not waste any amount of time researching this man. His finishing antics with the gun are enough for me to give him the same amount of respect as an attention seeking child with a firearm on Break.com. It's no different. I suspect he might be wanting to score some man points with Ol' Hank down at the Shack.
        If he did this for "MAN points", wouldn't he have used a bigger gun? He EVEN had to explain about the BULLETS! A LOT of people LAUGH at .22s and 9mm(His looked like a 9mm) because they lack a lot of "stopping power". The caliber is small, and the charge is weak. Of course, the special jackets and heads on some ammo can make up for it. Agan, as I explained earlier, they are made for SOFT flesh, NOT computer cases or disk drives!

        What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it. This includes having Police in his home. Oh the joys. All for the sake of a rant his daughter of a whole 15 years has typed up.
        As I said before, kid gloves that would appease the likes of you would NOT be effective!

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    this guy is too overprotective and crazy!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Several things are evident by your post.
    I am not bothering to go into most of them because they have already been beaten to death in this thread.
    But one thing that is evident is you haven't a clue about how this generation uses social media.

    On top of that I am amazed at how judgemental so many of the poster against what he did have been, yet they haven't a clue about the situation except he is such a terrible father and the poor girl will be scarred for life.

    You said:
    "What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it."

    He has "manned up" and done a damn fine job of it. The video isn't idiotic.A lot of people, myself included applaud the man. But of course there ar those out ther that think a 15 year old girl has every right to be that disrespectful to her parents and then sneak and hide it from them.
    And of course, she had already been warned about what would happen if she was caught doing it again,yet she did it again,and guess what,he had the damn gall to actually follow through and do what he said he would do. How dare him actually raise his own child!

    Of course, if you,just like other father bashers would do some research you might actually learn something. No,I'm not going to tell you,you have to actually do some work for it,almost like sweeping a floor and wiping a counter down.

    My God what a sad state the world has come too.

    Now for the mandatory disclaimer: The above post is my opinion only and does not in any shape or form speak for any other individual.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Several things are evident by your post.
      I am not bothering to go into most of them because they have already been beaten to death in this thread.
      But one thing that is evident is you haven't a clue about how this generation uses social media.

      On top of that I am amazed at how judgemental so many of the poster against what he did have been, yet they haven't a clue about the situation
      What's wrong with this picture?

      You've drawn a conclusion about myself, yet in the the next sentence you're complaining of people making judgements.

      People are judging only upon what they see. They don't need the guys resume and they certainly aren't to be judged as "father bashers" just because they happen to disagree with an individuals actions.

      You aren't being morally consistant.

      He has "manned up" and done a damn fine job of it. The video isn't idiotic.A lot of people, myself included applaud the man. But of course there ar those out ther that think a 15 year old girl has every right to be that disrespectful to her parents and then sneak and hide it from them.
      And of course, she had already been warned about what would happen if she was caught doing it again,yet she did it again,and guess what,he had the damn gall to actually follow through and do what he said he would do. How dare him actually raise his own child!
      You need to realize that whilst you hold this opinion you might have a few people in firm disagreement and it's really the plug in the hole which will kill discussion dead since they are polar opposite opinions which deem any subsequent points redundant.

      Him raising his child isn't disputed. It's the way he's presented doing it in this single instance by making a petulant, frantic video which is ironically equally as immature and uncooperative as his 15 year old daughters efforts.

      People who are applauding this are no doubt viewing it as some sort of parental revolution in which we use the same social media tools as the kids to wage some sort of war.

      It pains me to think if this man was inspiration how much worse this world you complain of is actually going to get....

      It's bad enough with the kids alone. Where will the line in the sand be drawn?


      * I'm not going for your jugular and perpetuating an argument which otherwise seen a close but there's gaping holes in your points which beg me to address.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        What's wrong with this picture?

        You've drawn a conclusion about myself, yet in the the next sentence you're complaining of people making judgements.

        People are judging only upon what they see. They don't need the guys resume.

        You need to realize that whilst you hold this opinion you might have a few people in firm disagreement and it's really the plug in the hole which will kill discussion dead since they are polar oppositive opinions which deem any subsequent points redundant.

        Him raising his child isn't disputed. It's the way he's presented doing it in this single instance by making a petulant, frantic video which is ironically equally as immature and uncooperative as his 15 year old daughters efforts.

        People who are applauding this are no doubt viewing it as some sort of parental revolution in which we use the same social media tools as the kids to wage some sort of war.

        It pains me to think if this man was inspiration how much worse this world you complain of is actually going to get....

        It's bad enough with the kids alone. Where will the line in the sand be drawn?


        * I'm not going for your jugular and perpetuating an argument which otherwise seen a close but there's gaping holes in your points which beg me to address.
        - Actually, it's been disputed ad-nausea but other judgmental people

        - People who are applauding this are actual parents of teenagers who otherwise see a rash of snot-nosed, spoiled teenagers who have no regard for anyone but themselves - generally speaking, of course.

        - If you TRULY believe that this one mans action will go on to make the world a worse place, well, then your more judgmental than even you think.

        - Seems to me he drew the line quite clearly - with HIS daughter. You're free to raise yours any way you please. Same as he is. He chose this medium. What's the problem?
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          - If you TRULY believe that this one mans action will go on to make the world a worse place, well, then your more judgmental than even you think.
          That wasn't my claim.

          - Seems to me he drew the line quite clearly - with HIS daughter. You're free to raise yours any way you please. Same as he is. He chose this medium. What's the problem?
          Sure he is. He also got a responsibility as an adult what kind of message he's throwing out to the public as well as his daughter given that he's making a broadcast.

          I guess with that in mind then it doesn't end at his daughter.

          I'd guess then since that's where it doesn't end and since the guy is such an inspiration, why aren't the parents amongst us putting the same tactics into action?

          Does everyone else have rare angel teenagers or are we all queing up to post our videos of us trashing our kids rooms and smashing up their televisions for the whole world to see because our thin skins can't take a bit of kids banter which is otherwise meant to be kept amongst friends - those of whom will likely be doing the same....

          We can accept kids for being kids or we can become kids ourselves.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Okay guys...

            Does Lynyrd Skynyrd count?










            Now that's what I'm talking about!!

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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              Okay guys...

              Does Lynyrd Skynyrd count?


              YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



              YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



              YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


              Now that's what I'm talking about!!

              Terra

              One of my all time favorite bands. And about as "country" as I get
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Terra,

                Skynyrd? Hell no. Bunch of leftist pinko radicals. "Free the Birds" my...

                (What? Wait... It's not... Oh, hell.)

                Why yes. Yes, they do!
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  I also have family in Missouri, Arkansas and Alabama and even though they call me a Yankee and a city slicker, I'm not a complete stranger to country western or country rock.

                  I LOVE Free Bird!

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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                To Quote the Rock, "IT DOESN'T MATTER".
                Like the man who did the video said, he's fine with it, his wife, daughter, and mother are fine with it, and that's all that matters.
                Like most all the parents here have implied, there is no cookie cutter way to raise a child, they are all different.
                I'm going out on a limb here and say the father knew his daughter and knew what form of punishment would work for what she did.
                Despite what a few here think, that is actually good parenting.
                A couple here thought it was childish to shot the laptop, guess what?
                Sometimes as a parent you have to do childish things to get your point across so you child understands you, remember you are dealing with a child.
                I have a feeling that those who thought it was childish either don't have kids or don't really have a clue as to what raising a kid is about.

                So with that said, here's a little Paul Thorn for ya with a song my kids know very well
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Thom,

                  Here's my bad day version.


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                • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  A couple here thought it was childish to shot the laptop, guess what?
                  Sometimes as a parent you have to do childish things to get your point across so you child understands you, remember you are dealing with a child.


                  Adults do not have to act like a child to communite effectively with a 15 year old teenager. Adults communicate with 3 year olds by acting like a child. The entire point of hormones playing a catalyst to teenager angst is for the person to lose temper, take risks and reap reponse which they learn from to find their footing in the world. The entire teenage experience involves development of the self to know what we can and can't do in the world. As a father he's missed this factor entirely, as have many in this discussion.

                  The entire point of parenting is to set an example - not to set up a mirror image of the problem in a ditch effort to fight fire with fire assuming that doing so will alert the other to their ways. This opinion in itself is why there are already so many problems in the world. There are reasons for remaining composed as an authority. If people see stupidity then they see leeway for their own stupidity.

                  You say his approach might work within the framework of his family. I say there are probably much better ways to deal with it which he maybe hasn't taken the initiative to explore. Cutting a lawn with scissors works.

                  Methods considered might involve not having to drag the entire world into his personal ordeal, which would then, in turn, save other impressionable people from being effected by his antics - including those people in the world who do not use a gun so readily regardless if it is indeed a mere "tool" in his culture, whether he uses it to eat his dinner or pick his nose....



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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                    Adults do not have to act like a child to communite effectively with a 15 year old teenager. Adults communicate with 3 year olds by acting like a child. The entire point of hormones playing a catalyst to teenager angst is for the person to lose temper, take risks and reap reponse which they learn from to find their footing in the world. The entire teenage experience involves development of the self to know what we can and can't do in the world. As a father he's missed this factor entirely, as have many in this discussion.

                    The entire point of parenting is to set an example - not to set up a mirror image of the problem in a ditch effort to fight fire with fire assuming that doing so will alert the other to their ways. This opinion in itself is why there are already so many problems in the world. There are reasons for remaining composed as an authority. If people see stupidity then they see leeway for their own stupidity.

                    You say his approach might work within the framework of his family. I say there are probably much better ways to deal with it which he maybe hasn't taken the initiative to explore. Cutting a lawn with scissors works.

                    Methods considered might involve not having to drag the entire whole into his ordeal, which would then, in turn, save other impressionable people from being effected by his antics - including those people in the world who do not use a gun so readily regardless if it is indeed a mere "tool" in his culture, whether he uses it to eat his dinner or pick his nose....

                    Wouldn't it be simply amazing if the dynamic of every adult, every teen and every family were as simple as that? It's not, however. What works for some doesn't for others. It's that simple.

                    And since you don't know this family personally, there's no way for you to know that he hasn't already tried other ways to deal with this - except for the fact that he SAID he tried the other way. And it didn't work. So he got drastic. Which DID work, again, according to him, his wife AND his (supposedly traumatized) daughter.

                    Different people. Different dynamics. Life is complicated sometimes too. All the answers can't be found in a WF forum thread or on FB.

                    And once again - if his antics effected any other adults to do the same thing, the fault is their own - not his. After all - aren't they adults too?

                    BTW - like the song you posted. Not sure I ever heard it before.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                      Wouldn't it be simply amazing if the dynamic of every adult, every teen and every family were as simple as that? It's not, however. What works for some doesn't for others. It's that simple.

                      And since you don't know this family personally, there's no way for you to know that he hasn't already tried other ways to deal with this - except for the fact that he SAID he tried the other way. And it didn't work. So he got drastic. Which DID work, again, according to him, his wife AND his (supposedly traumatized) daughter.

                      Different people. Different dynamics. Life is complicated sometimes too. All the answers can't be found in a WF forum thread or on FB.

                      And once again - if his antics effected any other adults to do the same thing, the fault is their own - not his. After all - aren't they adults too?

                      BTW - like the song you posted. Not sure I ever heard it before.
                      Exactly Mike!

                      The dad already stated that it worked! How could it be wrong in that sense then? :confused:

                      His daughter, his family dynamics, his parenting method, his success!

                      That's what really matters in the grand scheme of things.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                      Wouldn't it be simply amazing if the dynamic of every adult, every teen and every family were as simple as that? It's not, however. What works for some doesn't for others. It's that simple.

                      And since you don't know this family personally, there's no way for you to know that he hasn't already tried other ways to deal with this - except for the fact that he SAID he tried the other way. And it didn't work. So he got drastic. Which DID work, again, according to him, his wife AND his (supposedly traumatized) daughter.

                      Different people. Different dynamics. Life is complicated sometimes too. All the answers can't be found in a WF forum thread or on FB.

                      And once again - if his antics effected any other adults to do the same thing, the fault is their own - not his. After all - aren't they adults too?

                      BTW - like the song you posted. Not sure I ever heard it before.
                      I think it would only be amazing if people didn't use "everyone / every circumstance is different" excuse so lavishly to justify aspects which are questionable. There are similarities and common factors in the world which we can draw upon to conclude with a loose opinion which can and should apply to many. It's this fact which establishes the loose form of order we have in the world. "Everyone / Everything is different" is just a scatterbrain notion which dismisses any opportunity to establish grounds to form an opinion to go about solving a problem.

                      No-one needs to know his family to draw a conclusion that airing dirty laundry and shooting a laptop perhaps isn't the best solution and perpetuating that it's a situation and solution for only his family is false given that it's a broadcast with 22m views at this time of writing. It's well beyond that of his family. The fact that he addresses "all you parents out there" underlines my point and his intentions clearly.

                      "Impressionable people" encompasses everyone.
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                      • Profile picture of the author garyv
                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


                        No-one needs to know his family to draw a conclusion that airing dirty laundry and shooting a laptop perhaps isn't the best solution and perpetuating that it's a situation and solution for only his family is false given that it's a broadcast with 22m views at this time of writing. It's well beyond that of his family. The fact that he addresses "all you parents out there" underlines my point and his intentions clearly.
                        Actually he says on his facebook page that the video was only meant for his daughter, and the kids and parents that might have seen HER original facebook post.

                        Honestly - if you think that all it takes is intent and shooting a laptop to get 22 million views, then every video on facebook would be of people shooting up their computers. There's no way he possibly knew the viral outcome of his video, otherwise he'd be rich by now.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                          I think you misunderstand me to be suggesting that it was his intention to reach such a vast audience.

                          His intention was to reach an audience. However, there is no reason for him to address "all you parents out there" if he only wished to communicate with his daughter regardless of his claim.

                          The scale of what he has achieved is only an amplification of his original intention and thefefore he still bears the responsibility for it.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        I think it would only be amazing if people didn't use "everyone / every circumstance is different" excuse so lavishly to justify aspects which are questionable.
                        I wasn't justifying anything. Just seems like you have this impression that one solution fits all circumstances.

                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        There are similarities and common factors in the world which we can draw upon to conclude with a loose opinion which can and should apply to many. It's this fact which establishes the loose form of order we have in the world. "Everyone / Everything is different" is just a scatterbrain notion which dismisses any opportunity to establish grounds to form an opinion to go about solving a problem.
                        No more scatterbrained than thinking there's a "one size fits all" type solution to every parenting situation. Same coin. Different sides. Somewhere in the middle is the answer, which is what I have been saying all along.

                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        No-one needs to know his family to draw a conclusion that airing dirty laundry and shooting a laptop perhaps isn't the best solution and perpetuating that it's a situation and solution for only his family is false given that it's a broadcast with 22m views at this time of writing. It's well beyond that of his family. The fact that he addresses "all you parents out there" underlines my point and his intentions clearly.
                        And no one needs to watch his dirty laundry either. It's frankly no different to me than those yahoo's that appear on Judge Judy to air their fight. The fact that this was on FB should make no difference.

                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        "Impressionable people" encompasses everyone.
                        And if a parent of a teen is THAT impressionable where he or she will suddenly change their parenting style because of a video, well that says a lot to me about that parent.

                        So I guess the question of the day for me is (and sorry if this has been asked and I missed it): Are you a parent of a teen (or two)?

                        Just curious...
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                        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                          I wasn't justifying anything. Just seems like you have this impression that one solution fits all circumstances.
                          Only an impression that we need to establish some form of loose factors to allow us to establish ground to improve and indeed, communicate more effectively as a race. Those can exist regardless of how different you assume people and circumstances to be. It's a fundamental process of law.

                          And no one needs to watch his dirty laundry either. It's frankly no different to me than those yahoo's that appear on Judge Judy to air their fight. The fact that this was on FB should make no difference.
                          No different indeed, but people do watch these shows and television production companies have a responsibility for how people act on these shows. Whether someone willingly watches something which has content which they cannot foresee makes no difference. It is the responsibility of the publisher since we naturally cannot predict content.


                          And if a parent of a teen is THAT impressionable where he or she will suddenly change their parenting style because of a video, well that says a lot to me about that parent.
                          It should say only that there are impressionable people in the world.

                          Your opinion of them does not void their existance.

                          So I guess the question of the day for me is (and sorry if this has been asked and I missed it): Are you a parent of a teen (or two)?

                          Just curious...
                          Yes. I'm a parent of 3.

                          I haven't found a need to smash any of their posessions thus far and I'm confident I won't have to. If I wish to speak with my daughter (or sons), I do some amicably vis-a-vis even during the most troubling of times.
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                          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


                            I haven't found a need to smash any of their posessions thus far and I'm confident I won't have to. If I wish to speak with my daughter (or sons), I do some amicably vis-a-vis even during the most troubling of times.

                            And if you read this mans FB posts you will see he tried that and it didn't work. You can only allow your child to be disrespectful for so long... unless you don't mind.

                            And FWIW, his method would not be MY chosen method (mine is more like yours). But this is the dynamics of my family. His worked for him (so it seems).
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                  • Profile picture of the author garyv
                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                    Adults do not have to act like a child to communite effectively with a 15 year old teenager. Adults communicate with 3 year olds by acting like a child. The entire point of hormones playing a catalyst to teenager angst is for the person to lose temper, take risks and reap reponse which they learn from to find their footing in the world. The entire teenage experience involves development of the self to know what we can and can't do in the world. As a father he's missed this factor entirely, as have many in this discussion.
                    So are you saying that you don't think that her actions reaped a response that taught her NOT to do that again?

                    This video is of a "final" response. There were several other milder responses to her behavior that obviously didn't work for her.

                    I say bravo to the dad for teaching her this lesson early on. It's important to know that any words you put out on the internet - on Facebook or anywhere - can come back to haunt you. Many people have lost jobs because of it. In fact there are even some recent stories of Murder linked back to simple words placed on a facebook wall.

                    So I say, whatever you have to do (short of a beating of course) to teach your child that lesson, it's incumbent upon you as a parent to get that point across. And he did that. I'll take a childish father that gets his point across over a non-communicating adult father any day of the week.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                      So are you saying that you don't think that her actions reaped a response that taught her NOT to do that again?

                      I'm stating that his chosen response was hasty and irresponsible given that it not only relates to the teenager in question (which I believe is wrong within itself) but everyone who he took the liberty to broadcast it to.


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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              Okay guys...

              Does Lynyrd Skynyrd count?


              YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



              YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



              YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


              Now that's what I'm talking about!!

              Terra
              Ok Terra,
              Now we are going country rock, but it still counts in my book.

              I love this song.

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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                Ok Terra,
                Now we are going country rock, but it still counts in my book.

                I love this song.

                YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

                Once upon a time I lived about 2 miles from a university campus. In the summer they used to have concerts in the football stadium. When I was about 13, the Marshall Tucker Band was playing, so we hopped on our bikes and rode over there.

                Ah, the memories.
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                • Profile picture of the author KimW
                  Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                  Once upon a time I lived about 2 miles from a university campus. In the summer they used to have concerts in the football stadium. When I was about 13, the Marshall Tucker Band was playing, so we hopped on our bikes and rode over there.

                  Ah, the memories.
                  My goodness Mike, Toy played that guitar so well sometimes it made me want to cry.
                  At times I will watch a vid of him playing can't you see and his finger pickin is just so amazing.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                    Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                    My goodness Mike, Toy played that guitar so well sometimes it made me want to cry.
                    At times I will watch a vid of him playing can't you see and his finger pickin is just so amazing.
                    I wish I'd had a better view back then

                    The concert was terrific though.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            That wasn't my claim.

            Sure he is. He also got a responsibility as an adult what kind of message he's throwing out to the public as well as his daughter given that he's making a broadcast.

            I guess with that in mind then it doesn't end at his daughter.

            I'd guess then since that's where it doesn't end and since the guy is such an inspiration, why aren't the parents amongst us putting the same tactics into action?

            Does everyone else have rare angel teenagers or are we all queing up to post our videos of us trashing our kids rooms and smashing up their televisions for the whole world to see because our thin skins can't take a bit of kids banter which is otherwise meant to be kept amongst friends - those of whom will likely be doing the same....

            We can accept kids for being kids or we can become kids ourselves.
            I see. So your issue is he chose to do this via a FB video... well, that was his choice. He DID say that if he'd known this would go viral the way it did he'd have worn his other hat. And shined his boots. And not had a smoke. Or used the word ass.

            In my opinion, he had only one responsibility - to his own family. If other adults emulate his tactics then whose fault is that really? His? I watched it and I am on my third teen. It has not even come CLOSE to changing my parenting style or decisions. I simply found it entertaining. Well, actually, I have found the public responses (from both sides) even more entertaining.

            As for the "rare teen angel"... hardly. Although, I have to admit - my 16 year old step daughter is pretty close

            But using the "they're just teens who don't know any better" rationale is to me an even more troubling issue than a father who shoots a computer to make a point. It's why we tend to have unruly teens. In this case, she was not simply "venting". She was down-right disrespectful to both her parents and a family friend. And it was not her first offense.

            As for becoming kids ourselves... LOL - I never left my childhood! And you know what? I make a damn fine parent too
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Originally Posted by KimW

            The only conclusion I drew about you was your lack of knowledge about social media. You call it a judgement I guess,I call it an observation.

            Of course all people don't agree with me,just as they don't agree with you and the other father bashers. But as much as some would like,you can't change the facts.
            You can call it whatever you want but the next quoted sentence has you calling people "father bashers" which gives a little reenforcement to my initial claim and in turn makes your claim ironic.

            Why would mine or anyone else opinion of this individual case render us as "father bashers"?

            Would that deem as haters of our own fathers too or just fathers or others?

            Reminds me of the classic comeback "How can I hate women when my Mother is one..." when someone throws out a suggestion of sexism towards men. It's a suggestion / judgement which doesn't really sit well or indeed make much sense....
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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              You can call it whatever you want but the next quoted sentence has you calling people "father bashers" which gives a little reenforcement to my initial claim and in turn makes your claim ironic.

              Why would mine or anyone else opinion of this individual case render us as "father bashers"?

              Would that deem as haters of our own fathers too or just fathers or others?

              Reminds me of the classic comeback "How can I hate women when my Mother is one..." when someone throws out a suggestion of sexism towards men. It's a suggestion / judgement which doesn't really sit well or indeed make much sense....
              My goodness, talking about making a mountain out of a molehill.
              I used the term because that was exactly what you and others are doing. Bashing the father for parenting his child . And contrary to your statement,it makes 100% sense.
              Nuff said on that one.....lol
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        What's wrong with this picture?

        You've drawn a conclusion about myself, yet in the the next sentence you're complaining of people making judgements.

        People are judging only upon what they see. They don't need the guys resume.

        You need to realize that whilst you hold this opinion you might have a few people in firm disagreement and it's really the plug in the hole which will kill discussion dead.

        Him raising his child isn't disputed. It's the way he's presented doing it in this single instance by making a petulant, frantic video which is ironically equally as immature and uncooperative as his 15 year old daughters efforts.

        People who are applauding this are no doubt viewing it as some sort of parental revolution in which we use the same social media tools as the kids to wage some sort of war.

        It pains me to think if this man was inspiration how much worse this world you complain of is actually going to get....

        It's bad enough with the kids alone.


        * I'm not going for your jugular and perpetuating an argument which otherwise seen a close but there's gaping holes in your points which beg me to address.
        The only conclusion I drew about you was your lack of knowledge about social media. You call it a judgement I guess,I call it an observation.

        Of course all people don't agree with me,just as they don't agree with you and the other father bashers. But as much as some would like,you can't change the facts.

        As far as this:
        "Him raising his child isn't disputed. It's the way he's presented doing it in this single instance by making a petulant, frantic video which is ironically equally as immature and uncooperative as his 15 year old daughters efforts."

        Certainly,once again. you are entitled to your opinion,but there are multitudes of those that think it was very appropriate.

        You say:
        " People who are applauding this are no doubt viewing it as some sort of parental revolution in which we use the same social media tools as the kids to wage some sort of war."

        That statement is beyond my comprehension. I don't see anyone waging a war of parents against children. And you are assuming thats where my head is at because I applaud the father? Wow, Amazing.

        You say:
        "It pains me to think if this man was inspiration how much worse this world you complain of is actually going to get....

        It's bad enough with the kids alone."

        I hope your sincere in that statement because it should pain you. I don't know your age,nor do I need to,but your old enough to see whats going on in the world if you take the blinders off.

        You say:
        "* I'm not going for your jugular and perpetuating an argument which otherwise seen a close but there's gaping holes in your points which beg me to address."

        Go for it. There are no holes in my points. My pants maybe,but not in my points.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Sorry Paul,Mike, et al, they just keep coming out of the woodwork and it is just reinforcing to me why the world is in such sad shape that it is.

    Yes Mike, I have mentioned numerous times that their walls have been quoted here in this thread and that they are both "ok" with what happened, yet most of the father bashers are too lazy to read the thread.

    On an aside, there was a WSO where people kept asking the same question over and over and it got to the pint where I said, the same thing, read the thread and get the answers,if you don't find what your asking,then ask the quetion.
    I had several people tell me they were "too busy" to read the thread. And at that point it was 2,maybe 3 pages long.

    Amazing.
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    I'll raise you one Paul and Thom

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I'll raise you one Paul and Thom

      YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

      Ok, this country music stuff has gone far enough. Can we talk about some REAL music now?


      (this is me ducking for cover... )
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        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Ok, this country music stuff has gone far enough. Can we talk about some REAL music now?


        (this is me ducking for cover... )
        Would this count? I'm kinda feelin like the devil tonight

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Would this count?
          "Sympathy for the Devil?" Hell yeah, that counts!

          Another of my jukebox favorites. Also, if memory serves, the first single I bought from Amazon for my phone.

          The first album (or one of) was one Mike would like. Delbert McClinton's "Ain't Never Been Rocked Enough." I have it on CD, but I was out of town and wanted to listen to it, so...

          Delbert real enough for ya, Mike?


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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            "Sympathy for the Devil?" Hell yeah, that counts!

            Another of my jukebox favorites. Also, if memory serves, the first single I bought from Amazon for my phone.

            The first album (or one of) was one Mike would like. Delbert McClinton's "Ain't Never Been Rocked Enough." I have it on CD, but I was out of town and wanted to listen to it, so...

            Delbert real enough for ya, Mike?


            Paul
            Paul,
            I think Love Rustler was the first Delbert album I bought.
            but this is one of my favorite songs

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I'll raise you one Paul and Thom

      YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
      It's not a well known fact, but I did a year's stint in Texas for my first acting job and hung out in those Texan bars with my my cowboy friends.

      Granted it was literally decades ago, but I can honestly say that I had the time of my life! Shhh! :p

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Mike,
    when I get some more Thanks available, that post is getting one!
    A voice of reason is heard.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Paul,
    you mentioned age in a post or two in this thread and how some of us might be older.
    I turned 58 a week ago today and I'm ornary. (course they just gave me a kidney of a 30something man)
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Sorry Daniel,
    But most of us here are adult.
    Most of us here have raised children.
    I have 3 daughters from my first marriage and a stepdaughter from my 2nd.
    I am a terrible father.
    In all the years of raising my daughters I actually spanked one of them once.
    I know,I know, I shouldn't be airing my dirty laundry out in public,but I can't keep that deadly secret any longer.
    But, now, are you ready for this?
    My oldest is 27 and has given me two granddaughters.
    My middle daughter,25, makes ,oh,about $300 a day waitrssing. She went to college for a while but decided she liked the daily money better for now.She plans on going back later.
    My youngest,23, has given me a grandson.
    My stepdaughter,also 23, has also given me a grandson and works at a prestigious firm where we live.

    I know, I know, I'm such a bad parent for teaching them actual values. But whats a man to do in this day and age?
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Sorry Daniel,
      But most of us here are adult.
      Most of us here have raised children.
      I have 3 daughters from my first marriage and a stepdaughter from my 2nd.
      I am a terrible father.
      In all the years of raising my daughters I actually spanked one of them once.
      I know,I know, I shouldn't be airing my dirty laundry out in public,but I can't keep that deadly secret any longer.
      But, now, are you ready for this?
      My oldest is 27 and has given me two granddaughters.
      My middle daughter,25, makes ,oh,about $300 a day waitrssing. She went to college for a while but decided she liked the daily money better for now.She plans on going back later.
      My youngest,23, has given me a grandson.
      My stepdaughter,also 23, has also given me a grandson and works at a prestigious firm where we live.

      I know, I know, I'm such a bad parent for teaching them actual values. But whats a man to do in this day and age?
      I'm glad we got that out in the open since without all those finer details and supplementary sarcasm I might have just judged you as a person who assumes himself to be a little more mature than he actually is....
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I'm glad we got that out in the open since without all those finer details and supplementary sarcasm I might have just judged you as a person who assumes himself to be a little more mature than he actually is....

        Please don't do that, you will ruin my reputation!

        Besides, I'm like Mike, I may grow old but I don't plan on ever growing up.
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          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Please don't do that, you will ruin my reputation!

          Besides, I'm like Mike, I may grow old but I don't plan on ever growing up.

          Look at that... after all these years people STILL wanna be just like Mike!


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    Terra,
    I was born in Missouri!
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Terra,
      I was born in Missouri!

      Learn something new everyday! Where about? I have family in Holcomb, Dexter, Kennett and St. Louis.

      Terra
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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Learn something new everyday! Where about? I have family in Holcomb, Dexter, Kennett and St. Louis.

        Terra
        Rolla in Phelps county.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    He's refusing to do intervews, or turn a profit on the 9 million you tube hits!

    His video did score a place on fox, where they mentioned that te police gave him kudos.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      He's refusing to do intervews, or turn a profit on the 9 million you tube hits!
      And this should be an indicator of his character and how he care's for his daughter. In accepting paid interviews or anything else for profit, he knew it would send the wrong message to his daughter.

      He wanted her to know that there are consequences for her rebellious actions and turning a profit from them would have defeated his purpose; not being the lesson he wanted her to learn. And in so doing, taught her another valuable lesson.

      It is all too obvious that this dad loves his daughter.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Jacob,
      Actions are a type of behaviour. A "mindset" is a mental attitude. I was judging his actions, not his mindset. By definition they differ greatly.
      "Stupid" and "childish" are not characteristics of actions. Using words like that in this way is a shorthand form of speech, intended to convey an opinion about the mentality (or mindset) of the person performing given actions at the time of doing so.

      The overall pattern of your replies in this thread may not be indicative of your usual way of thinking. Still, taken in isolation, it gives the impression of regular judgement of just the type you say is naive.
      Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".
      You had insufficient knowledge and experience of the particulars to form any conclusions in the first place, and yet you did. That is the very essence of naivete.

      My first guess about you appears to have been correct. You're a smart guy, and you reply with serious thought when you choose to leave out the slams. (Humorously intended or not.) You'll do just fine here, as soon as you realize there is no "enemy" for you to defend against.
      Miss me?
      You weren't gone long enough to miss you.
      Maybe my father took my laptop away.
      Okay. THAT was funny.


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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I don't know, I am feeling like a song!

    PS: You never did answer my question about your sig,and /or fix it if need be.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Let's hope he got his message across without any long term psychological probs resulting from his most unusual method.


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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Let's hope he got his message across without any long term psychological probs resulting from his most unusual method.


      TL
      TL, give it up. It has already been addressed 1oo times in this thread. He is ok,she is ok,

      Please tell me, how many long term problems are you dealing with because of a similar tramatic situation in your life growing up.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        TL, give it up. It has already been addressed 1oo times in this thread. He is ok,she is ok,

        Please tell me, how many long term problems are you dealing with because of a similar tramatic situation in your life growing up.
        How many long term problems do you diagnose after 6 days?

        I'm sure she's not likely to be mentally scarred but some of these posts are brilliant!
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          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          How many long term problems do you diagnose after 6 days?

          I'm sure she's not likely to be mentally scarred but some of these posts are brilliant!
          Well, Daniel, it only took me about 10 minutes to diagnose yours.
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            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            Well, Daniel, it only took me about 10 minutes to diagnose yours.
            Touche!
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              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              Touche!
              You do know I was kidding, right?
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          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          How many long term problems do you diagnose after 6 days?

          I'm sure she's not likely to be mentally scarred but some of these posts are brilliant!
          Have you asked this question to the millions who are convinced she WILL have long term issues? Or is this just directed to those who say she won't?
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        TL, give it up. It has already been addressed 1oo times in this thread. He is ok,she is ok,

        Please tell me, how many long term problems are you dealing with because of a similar tramatic situation in your life growing up.

        Never, ever give up! (LOL)

        She says she's OK for now and I sincerely hope it stays that way.

        But...

        I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of mental health doctors would say that she is...


        ... much more likely to have a prob going down the road than if this situation - had not happened.


        I guess I've been lucky.

        I rate my mental health as excellent but what do I know, I have not been checked out by a professional. (LOL)

        My parents never publicly humiliated me to prove a point.

        I guess everyone at her school knows about this.

        Nothing that has happened to me could be compared with this situation.

        All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    His intention was to show both his daughter AND her friends thza he wsn't BSing .
    Period.
    That he would and did follow through with what he said he would do.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think that whether people look at his video and can sympathize with him or sympathize more with his daughter - there's no doubt most viewing will come away from this knowing that you need to be careful with what you put out onto the internet and social media. Even if you HATE what he did and the way he did it, you still come away with a message of being careful of what you put out there.

    So in a sense, this man has put his point across on multiple levels. Personally I think the way the message went out and spread so quickly is genius. I know that he didn't intend for it to happen that way, but that kind of adds to the overall message of being careful of what you do on social media.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Daniel said:
    "No-one needs to know his family to draw a conclusion that airing dirty laundry and shooting a laptop perhaps isn't the best solution and perpetuating that it's a situation and solution for only his family is false given that it's a broadcast with 22m views at this time of writing. It's well beyond that of his family. The fact that he addresses "all you parents out there" underlines my point and his intentions clearly."

    Once again Daniel, you are right,how dare him let someone outside hid faily see such behavior.

    And yes,there could have been better ways.
    Why,should could have actually had to do some REAL work to eearn her perks abouve and beyond what she actually needed,and a parent should provide.You know,thoase silly things like food,shelter,clothing,an education,etc etc. Of course to a lot of "adults" posting in the thread that would be cruel and unusual punishment and ,lets not forget,child abuse!! And according to a few others, it would scar her emotionally for the rest of her life.

    Of course,thats why I am psychotic. I had to work and earn something if I wanted it, like someone else in this thread I was working at the age of 9 or 10. I even had to work to earn my cub scout,thenlater my boy scout uniform.
    If I didn'd do something I could be punished, I was so abused, tcan you believe there were actually times that my parents wouldn't let me watch any of the 3 TV channels we got??

    Gary, I think your right.I think he was trying to prove a point to his daughter and her friends who had seen the original post but he had no idea (as most adults don't) how this generation uses social media like FB and Youtube.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    TL:

    "I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of mental health doctors would say that she is..."

    The majority of mental health professional should have their liscense revoked and barred from ever practicing again.
    Most are friggin nutcases.

    Lets see some of the programs we have in place now:
    Leave no child behind. What it really means is whether your child learns anything or not we are going to pass him so the teacher doesnt have to deal with him anymore.

    It take a village to raise a child. by Former first lady Clinton. Guess what, no it doesn't. It takes good loving parents. I didn't need any body butting in on how I rasied my children,and as I posted earlier,for the most part they have come out fine.

    I could go on and on, but am not going to. Some will disagree with me,some will agree.
    Either way I will sleep well tonight knowing I do my part to help keep this country going in the right direction even if it means opposing those that think every child should be coddled and should never be held responsible for their actions and anything that goes wrong is due to bad parenting.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      TL:

      "I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of mental health doctors would say that she is..."

      The majority of mental health professional should have their liscense revoked and barred from ever practicing again.

      Most are friggin nutcases.

      Lets see some of the programs we have in place now:
      Leave no child behind. What it really means is whether your child learns anything or not we are going to pass him so the teacher doesnt have to deal with him anymore.

      It take a village to raise a child. by Former first lady Clinton. Guess what, no it doesn't. It takes good loving parents. I didn't need any body butting in on how I rasied my children,and as I posted earlier,for the most part they have come out fine.

      I could go on and on, but am not going to. Some will disagree with me,some will agree.
      Either way I will sleep well tonight knowing I do my part to help keep this country going in the right direction even if it means opposing those that think every child should be coddled and should never be held responsible for their actions and anything that goes wrong is due to bad parenting.
      Gaabbatha!
      "The majority of mental health professional should have their liscense revoked and barred from ever practicing again.

      Most are friggin nutcases."

      LOL!!

      Kim I'm glad you consider yourself a patriot and want to do your part in keeping the country going in the right direction.

      All The Best!!

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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        "The majority of mental health professional should have their liscense revoked and barred from ever practicing again.

        Most are friggin nutcases."

        LOL!!

        Kim I'm glad you consider yourself a patriot and want to do your part in keeping the country going in the right direction.

        All The Best!!

        TL
        While I don't think most are nutcases, I DO think that mental health professionals that deal with kids are way too quick to diagnose some form of ADD or ADHD and simply prescribe drugs (because the teachers and/or parents don't know how to deal with them).

        This is another one of those "debates" that can go either way, so I will say no more. But I formed this opinion when my oldest was diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed drugs. We refused to put him on anything and about a year later he was shown to NOT be ADHD. He's 23 now and just fine. Always was fine
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Ah - mental health professionals - gotta love 'em

        My only journey into child psychology was when my older son was having a few problems (acting like an ass at age 14) and it was suggested he visit a therapist.

        That lasted for 2 visits. The first time I waited outside for him - knew he was probably complaining about his mean mom, etc. He had little to say and I didn't ask questions when he came out.

        A week later he came storming out after only 20 minutes. Said the "doctor" told him I (his mother) was to blame for all of his dissatisfaction.

        My son said "that's a load of it - I'm the one acting like an idiot and I need to clean up my act". We never went back - and the problems disappeared.

        Guess therapy worked???:p
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Ah - mental health professionals - gotta love 'em

          My only journey into child psychology was when my older son was having a few problems (acting like an ass at age 14) and it was suggested he visit a therapist.

          That lasted for 2 visits. The first time I waited outside for him - knew he was probably complaining about his mean mom, etc. He had little to say and I didn't ask questions when he came out.

          A week later he came storming out after only 20 minutes. Said the "doctor" told him I (his mother) was to blame for all of his dissatisfaction.

          My son said "that's a load of it - I'm the one acting like an idiot and I need to clean up my act". We never went back - and the problems disappeared.

          Guess therapy worked???:p
          WOW, it sounds like you have a nice kid! Once, a school psychiatrist said my FATHER was to blame for MY problems. FUNNY, I always blamed the kids, for being bullies, and my mother for moving me around everywhere. I had some nice friends early on, but was only able to see them a few years.

          Seriously, I have said for decades that "mental doctors" need to have their heads examined. Too bad that that creates a paradox! Nobody is left to look at them!

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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        "The majority of mental health professional should have their liscense revoked and barred from ever practicing again.

        Most are friggin nutcases."

        LOL!!

        Kim I'm glad you consider yourself a patriot and want to do your part in keeping the country going in the right direction.

        All The Best!!

        TL
        TL,
        I honestly don't know if your being serious or sarcastic. While I was a rebellious teenager I saw several therapists.
        One was convinced all I needed was some rolfing Rolfing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Another time, as in Kays experience, it was all my parents fault.

        ANd as Mike has said now a days ithe common thing is to blame it on ADHD or ADD. Funny how these "diseases" have just appeared in the past few decades. And here is another one. Autism. Why is Autism,something that was very rare years ago now being said it happens in 1 out of every (I can't remember the exact number of births) getting so prevalent.

        I didn't say ALL health care people are nutcases,but I will cartainly stand by my statement that most are,and laugh all you want.

        By the way, I am not a liscense psychiatrist,I only took two years before I realized what a load of crap they were teaching.

        You want healthy well behaved children, Raise them the right way. teach them values. Don't expect society of schools to do it for you.

        Again TL, if you are being sarcastic, more power to you.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          TL,
          I honestly don't know if your being serious or sarcastic. While I was a rebellious teenager I saw several therapists.
          One was convinced all I needed was some rolfing Rolfing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Another time, as in Kays experience, it was all my parents fault.

          ANd as Mike has said now a days ithe common thing is to blame it on ADHD or ADD. Funny how these "diseases" have just appeared in the past few decades. And here is another one. Autism. Why is Autism,something that was very rare years ago now being said it happens in 1 out of every (I can't remember the exact number of births) getting so prevalent.

          I didn't say ALL health care people are nutcases,but I will cartainly stand by my statement that most are,and laugh all you want.

          By the way, I am not a liscense psychiatrist,I only took two years before I realized what a load of crap they were teaching.

          You want healthy well behaved children, Raise them the right way. teach them values. Don't expect society of schools to do it for you.

          Again TL, if you are being sarcastic, more power to you.
          Kim, I was/am serious in my belief that that vast majority of "competent" and honest...

          ... mental health pros would conclude that Dad's actions improved the chances of the daughter having mental probs down the road.

          Your response simply made me laugh.

          All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    You know, one thing I learned about discussions like this one. There isn't a right or wrong answer. Only perceived right or wrong answers based on your own core values and beliefs.

    So, I think I have said enough. I find myself covering the same ground It's been an enjoyable conversation though. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I have to go with Mike too.
    He said:
    "And FWIW, his method would not be MY chosen method (mine is more like yours). But this is the dynamics of my family. His worked for him (so it seems)."

    Being in IT I installed monitoring software on the computer that the kids were allowed to use.
    And then I actually monitored it.
    And I cought them doing things that I felt were inappropriate.
    Discussed it with my wife.She didn't think the "angels" were capable of such behavior.
    I discussed it with the kids and of course denial all the way around.
    Then I got them all together and showed them.
    Wife was flabbergasted. Kids were both shocked and embarrased beyond belief.
    BUT.
    Since they knew I wasn't joking around,that behavior stopped.
    And THAT was the goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Actually Mike I thought we had finished this thread last night then I come back to it and see it was going strong again.
    I think I need to use the dead horse analogy again!
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Actually Mike I thought we had finished this thread last night then I come back to it and see it was going strong again.
      I think I need to use the dead horse analogy again!
      Yes let it go champ, I bailed back several pages, everybody does see it different, some advice based on what people think, others based on experience and as mentioned there is no wright or wrong answer here - every parent will always do what they think is right at the time for their children even if that is seen as wrong by others.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        This story made news again tonight with followup (fox or cnn - can't rememer which).

        Seems the dad had visits from law enforcement who said "good for you" - they came to visit because a number of people watched a few minutes of video about a family they don't know at all....and called the law to report "child abuse".

        Computer abuse...maybe. But child abuse? What planet are these people from?

        Law enforcement likes parents who provide discipline - they see the results of no parental restraint in their work every day.

        How odd is someone who sees a video on YouTube with hundreds of thousands of hits - and thinks "I'd better report this because no one knows about it"? doo-doo gooders?
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Kay,
          How odd is someone who sees a video on YouTube with hundreds of thousands of hits - and thinks "I'd better report this because no one knows about it"? doo-doo gooders?
          I have no problem with that. He posted it publicly, and it's reasonable for people to have those questions. The Dad seems to have had no problem with it either, and I suspect that's just more proof that he's a reasonable person.

          Better safe than sorry with something like this. We can all form opinions and express them on a forum, but that's as far as we can go. The local cops are better equipped to get to the WHOLE truth of the thing.


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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Pretty much all child-raising methods will produce similar results, provided they're not raised with abuse or in extreme poverty, as studies of adopted identical twins raised apart reveal. It is mostly genetics.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Pretty much all child-raising methods will produce similar results, provided no abuse takes place, as studies of adopted identical twins reveal. It is mostly genetics.
      My mother and her brother (my Uncle) had a brother that they did not meet until the day my grandfather had his funeral. And while he looked just like my Uncle and had the exact same characteristics and physical ticks, their behavior was almost polar opposite of each other. My mom and uncle were brought up in a military house. It was a house where respect was taught at an early age. My "other" uncle went to a house that was more liberal with their discipline. To this day, the only way you can tell that they are brothers is to look at them. My "other" uncle has absolutely no respect for anyone.

      I personally give more credit to human beings than that. It is not genetic in my opinion, but something that definitely CAN be learned. I have no doubt about that.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        <snip>And while he looked just like my Uncle and had the exact same characteristics and physical ticks, their behavior was almost polar opposite of each other.<snip>
        I personally give more credit to human beings than that. It is not genetic in my opinion, but something that definitely CAN be learned. I have no doubt about that.

        They were identical twins?

        The percentage that is not genetic, even according to the biggest proponents of genetic predetermination, is at least 20% and that is actually huge.
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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          They were identical twins?

          The percentage that is not genetic, even according to the biggest proponents of genetic predetermination, is at least 20% and that is actually huge.

          Actually they were identical - but even with your own words, you are saying that there's a huge difference between people even when they are related genetically.

          I think that people can be genetically predisposed to act a certain way, but in response to what they have learned. Their genetics may play a role, but It's definitely not the determining factor. The discipline a person is subjected to plays a huge role.

          If genetics was the determining factor - it would be easy to get an adult dog without prior training to do tricks.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by garyv View Post

            Actually they were identical - but even with your own words, you are saying that there's a huge difference between people even when they are related genetically.

            I think that people can be genetically predisposed to act a certain way, but in response to what they have learned. Their genetics may play a role, but It's definitely not the determining factor. The discipline a person is subjected to plays a huge role.

            If genetics was the determining factor - it would be easy to get an adult dog without prior training to do tricks.
            Genetics can determine what their initial strengths are, and how they might react from the start. It is like they are differing amounts of clay that have different colors. The exposure is like mixing the clay. The colors may change, but it is always based on what it started with.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          They were identical twins?

          The percentage that is not genetic, even according to the biggest proponents of genetic predetermination, is at least 20% and that is actually huge.
          i once went to a school that had at LEAST 4 pairs of monozygotic twins while I was there. One pair was boys, and they even had different voices. Several things could account for that, but it was a non genetic component that could have changed behaviour in some way. Many such twins will tell you that mentally they ARE different.

          Still, MOST monozygotic twins, at least in history, had SIMILAR exposure NOT because they have the same genes, but because they are at the same place in the same family.

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Pretty much all child-raising methods will produce similar results, provided they're not raised with abuse or in extreme poverty, as studies of adopted identical twins raised apart reveal.


      It is mostly genetics.

      Do you believe in royal blood???


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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Do you believe in royal blood???


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        No. I don't think inbreeding is a good idea at all. Hybrid vigor is the way to go.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Pretty much all child-raising methods will produce similar results, provided they're not raised with abuse or in extreme poverty, as studies of adopted identical twins raised apart reveal. It is mostly genetics.
      I've known some VERY rich people that apparently WEREN'T abused by caregivers. I have ALSO known some poor people that apparently WERE abused by caregivers. Sorry, your theory doesn't hold up!

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Wait.... I think I found his real problem...

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  • The video was funny, Shooting the laptop may have been a bit over the top, but if it gets the job done...
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    Kids are spoiled nowadays. Another perfect example of a spoiled brat getting what he/she deserves
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    It's funny (and predictable) how someone can read the first post or two, and then re-start a discussion that's gone on for over 200 posts prior to their having decided to comment.

    That would be cool if they were adding something that hadn't already been hashed over repeatedly...


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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


      That would be cool if they were adding something that hadn't already been hashed over repeatedly...

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      I guess then we should just silently relish in the fact we're now onto the topic of psychiatrists...
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    I don't know the age of the dad, but I suspect that he didn't grow-up in the techno world we now live in. Just as I wasn't exposed to this until I was basically an adult (heck, I'm 50ish! going on..). Yeah, I had one of the 1st computers ever on the market, yet the internet was unheard of at the time. Social networking didn't exist and didn't begin until the internet was born - at that time an email was considered as social networking. WOW, we have come a long way in this journey. Just think about what kids have access to now - and cell phones, wow, that's a whole other story.

    We are continuously evolving from one generation to the next. I actually empathize with parents who are caught in the middle of this learning curve of new age technology - those who are just beginning to learn/understand this techno atmosphere their children are being raised and taught in at such a youthful age.

    I really do believe younger parents actually have an advantage here as they have a better grasp of this evolving technology....heck they've grown up with it. I guess the future will dictate whether these parents choose to educate their children accordingly.

    I also believe time will tell whether this dad made the right decision in choosing to disable his daughter's laptop.

    Side note - I worked with "severe behavior problem" students for too many years to agree that one solution fits all.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Jody, there were several threads about how and when many of us were exposed to our first computers. I couldn't find it though,so for your viewing pleasure,this was my very first computer.


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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    After seeing that, I was shocked. There should be a ban!

    That anchor shouldn't ever be allowed near dogs ever again.
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      After seeing that, I was shocked. There should be a ban!

      That anchor shouldn't ever be allowed near dogs ever again.
      TB - lol - just what did you see?

      Have you taken any mind altering med's today?
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        TB - lol - just what did you see?

        Have you taken any mind altering med's today?
        No. I've been reading too many Roald Dahl short stories.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Haha Jody,

        I was just going to ask TB if he was on some sort of medication. :p

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        TB - lol - just what did you see?

        Have you taken any mind altering med's today?
        He must have been commenting on the thread I started. The reporter was minlessly rubbing the dog this way and that, and THEN she shoved her face QUICKLY to within like a foot of the dog, and the dog quickly moved towards HER face and BIT!

        Regarding computers, I almost bought one of the first commercial computer kits offered. I was too young, and couldn't afford the $300. You might wonder HOW it cost so little when most CPUs were so expensive, and the cheapest keyboard keyswitch matrixes cost about $99. Well, it used a 4 bit multiplexed CPU, and a hexidecimal keypad. BTW a keyboard keyswitch matrix was the MAIN part in computer keyboards. TODAY, they remove the intelligence, use simpler mechanisms, built with cheap third world labor, and replace the intelligence through use of a small computer routine to decode it, and that $99 product s replaced by a piece selling for less than $12! Almost a DECADE later I had my father get me an Apple II+ as a christmas present.

        BTW I am just a little younger than you. The internet has been around a while, longer than anyone generally acknowledges. I HATE to admit it, but Al gore MIGHT have had something to do with making it public, and that is why people still poke fun at his oversimplification and arrogant statement about CREATING the internet. It had been around over a decade earlier. And the internet predates HTTP:, which drives WWW AKA the world wide web. In fact, WWW is called WWW because IT indicated what that IP was for. smtp was for mail, ftp for file transfer, etc....

        As for the dad? She was 15, right? That puts his lower age, on average, at about 37. He IS likely older. Still, if he IS 37, that means he was born almost to the YEAR that microsoft and Apple were! All three around 1975. At that point, most programmers were probably mainframe programmers, and the average kid may have thought they would never touch a computer. Some STILL laughed at the concept of a home computer. NOT because it was supposedly impossible, or failure prone, as many IBMers claimed, but because they felt it would be too complicated and expensive. Apple was probably the first really commercially viable computer to dispell that myth.

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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          He must have been commenting on the thread I started. <snip>
          Yeah, I goofed and commented on the wrong thread, sparking the question if I'm an acid-freak or a comedian. I guess I had two windows open at once, I don't know.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            Yeah, I goofed and commented on the wrong thread, sparking the question if I'm an acid-freak or a comedian.
            I can assure you, from having hung out with a guy who owned a comedy club, that these are not mutually exclusive options.


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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Haha...mine was a tad bit newer, not much though <slithers away - too embarrassed - thanks for the memories!!!>

    Love ya Kim!
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    LOL, I'm sorry, as serious as this thread has gotten, we need a few 'lite' moments!
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      No need to be sorry!

      It does get a bit deep and intense at times and the real humor thrown in here and there makes a better read, for sure!

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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    We need Paul back in here making a few more red-neck comments (I plastered my screen yesterday with wine, just reading what he posted - too funny!)

    If we can get a few more red-neck comments <as hilarious as they are>, I'm a thinkin' maybe we could publish a Kindle E-book. Heck, Paul dosen't even need to know about it....!!!
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      Jody,
      We need Paul back in here making a few more red-neck comments (I plastered my screen yesterday with wine, just reading what he posted - too funny!)
      Don't blame me. I always recommend scotch.


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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    TL said:
    "Kim, I was/am serious in my belief that that vast majority of "competent" and honest...

    ... mental health pros would conclude that Dad's actions improved the chances of the daughter having mental probs down the road.

    Your response simply made me laugh."

    The problem is that the ""competent" and honest...

    ... mental health pros " are the minority,not the majority.
    Of course just turn on any tv station nowadays and you will see the flavor of the week preaching their latest theories. As I stated before,not all, but most are and instead of having their degrees,they should be locked up with the rest of the inmates for the crap they cram down peoples throats. I used a perfect exampple in my post: Rolfing.

    But while you think dad's action are going to turn her into a psychpathic meth using psychotic killer, a good majority of us feel she actually klearned something, as she hasn even stated herself.


    Either way, I'm glad I made you laugh, After all, Humour IS the best medicine!
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      TL said:
      "Kim, I was/am serious in my belief that that vast majority of "competent" and honest...

      ... mental health pros would conclude that Dad's actions improved the chances of the daughter having mental probs down the road.

      Your response simply made me laugh."

      The problem is that the ""competent" and honest...

      ... mental health pros " are the minority,not the majority.
      Of course just turn on any tv station nowadays and you will see the flavor of the week preaching their latest theories. As I stated before,not all, but most are and instead of having their degrees,they should be locked up with the rest of the inmates for the crap they cram down peoples throats. I used a perfect exampple in my post: Rolfing.

      But while you think dad's action are going to turn her into a psychpathic meth using psychotic killer, a good majority of us feel she actually klearned something, as she hasn even stated herself.


      Either way, I'm glad I made you laugh, After all, Humour IS the best medicine!
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      I'm sure she did learn something and many of us feel that she could have "learned something" with a 100 different responses by the Dad.

      It's his kid and he has a right to deal with her any way he sees fit but not everyone has to agree with his methods.

      I never said Dad's actions were definitely going to hurt the girl long term.

      What I did say and I'm sticking to it, is that his actions have increased the chances of helping to create a mental climate within her that could lead her to having mental probs in the future.

      That's just my opinion.


      Why???


      I think I heard she's only 16 and if so that means she'll probably have to do another full year at the very same high school - after a very public humiliation.

      I bet she's very well known in her school now - thanks to Dad.


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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        I'm sure she did learn something and many of us feel that she could have "learned something" with a 100 different responses by the Dad.

        It's his kid and he has a right to deal with her any way he sees fit but not everyone has to agree with his methods.

        I never said Dad's actions were definitely going to hurt the girl long term.

        What I did say and I'm sticking to it, is that his actions have increased the chances of helping to create a mental climate within her that could lead her to having mental probs in the future.

        That's just my opinion.


        Why???


        I think I heard she's only 16 and if so that means she'll probably have to do another full year at the very same high school - after a very public humiliation.

        I bet she's very well known in her school now - thanks to Dad.


        All The Best!!

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        Hmmm I thought you said this.
        Kim, I was/am serious in my belief that that vast majority of "competent" and honest...

        ... mental health pros would conclude that Dad's actions improved the chances of the daughter having mental probs down the road.
        Interesting statement, what you are doing is assuming mental health pros will agree with you with absolutely no proof to back it up.
        As far as her being well known in school because of her dad, I think she was already well known for writing the original facebook letter that started it all. Remember she posted a letter to her dad, but tried to block her family from seeing it but allowed all her school friends to see it.
        So you think her father should of handled it in private so it would look like to all the world that she could get away with bad mouthing her family IN PUBLIC with no consequences?
        You don't think that if he handled it privately no matter what the punishment she would still feel like she got away with it and her friends would too.

        Bottom line is most parents here can say what he did was wrong and wouldn't do that because their kids wouldn't do what his did, but if they did....

        In the end it doesn't matter (like I said before) Him and his family are fine with it and his daughter understands and is fine with it so that is all that matters.

        TL last summer you and I had a round over picking up after yourself at a fast food joint. Did my opinion matter to you and did you change the way you raise your daughter because of it? No and of course not!
        You believe you know the best way to raise and treat your daughter.
        I believe (despite that disagreement) that you are right and are probably a damn good father.
        I also believe this father believes he knows the best way to raise his daughter and is probably a damn good father.
        My point is every parent will do something that someone else thinks is wrong when raising their kids. But a good parent will do what they know needs to be done to mould their child into a responsible adult regardless of what some stranger thinks.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Hmmm I thought you said this.

          Interesting statement, what you are doing is assuming mental health pros will agree with you with absolutely no proof to back it up.

          As far as her being well known in school because of her dad, I think she was already well known for writing the original facebook letter that started it all.

          Remember she posted a letter to her dad, but tried to block her family from seeing it but allowed all her school friends to see it.

          So you think her father should of handled it in private so it would look like to all the world that she could get away with bad mouthing her family IN PUBLIC with no consequences?

          You don't think that if he handled it privately no matter what the punishment she would still feel like she got away with it and her friends would too.

          Bottom line is most parents here can say what he did was wrong and wouldn't do that because their kids wouldn't do what his did, but if they did....

          In the end it doesn't matter (like I said before) Him and his family are fine with it and his daughter understands and is fine with it so that is all that matters.

          TL last summer you and I had a round over picking up after yourself at a fast food joint.

          Did my opinion matter to you and did you change the way you raise your daughter because of it? No and of course not!

          You believe you know the best way to raise and treat your daughter.
          I believe (despite that disagreement) that you are right and are probably a damn good father.

          I also believe this father believes he knows the best way to raise his daughter and is probably a damn good father.

          My point is every parent will do something that someone else thinks is wrong when raising their kids.

          But a good parent will do what they know needs to be done to mould their child into a responsible adult regardless of what some stranger thinks.

          You're right, I have no proof that mental health pros will back up my assertion but I can still speculate and IMHO it's not a silly speculation.

          This will always be a major event in her life and without a doubt a most unusual one at that.

          Her circle of friends knew all about her FB post - and now...

          ... the whole darn high school knows about her post and Dad's super humiliating response - thanks to Dad.

          But...

          It's not like it was one of those horrific honor killings.

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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            You're right, I have no proof that mental health pros will back up my assertion but I can still speculate and IMHO it's not a silly speculation.

            This will always be a major event in her life and without a doubt a most unusual one at that.

            Her circle of friends knew all about her FB post - and now...

            ... the whole darn high school knows about her post and Dad's super humiliating response - thanks to Dad.

            But...

            It's not like it was one of those horrific honor killings.

            All The Best!!


            TL
            Absolutely!
            I'm not so sure it will always be a major event in her life though.
            Seeing how she is already laughing about it and is fine with it.
            She seems to understand that there is always going to be a reaction to an action.
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        Kim,Great. He's already decided it would be bad enough to warrant a virtual book burning. Thanks, Kim.


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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    I'm not gonna read the entire thread, but I'm sure a lot of people will agree with me - and I'm not even a parent.

    I support the guy. This girl thinks doing a few chores is "BS" and she should be paid for cleaning up after herself?

    What a joke. Then knowing that HE paid for HER computer just a day or so earlier, I mean come on.. lol this isnt even 'biting the hand that feeds you' anymore. This is straight up chopping it off.

    To be honest, I'd have used a higher caliber. LOL
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    lol funny...
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You want to hear how dumb and dishonest "mental health professionals" are? They have misdiagnosed autism so many times that it makes me SICK, which made the statistics HIGH! THEN, they create a new diagnosis for autism which opens the diagnosis up FAR more! And they scream BLOODY MURDER that autism rates are skyrocketing. ****DUH****! THEN they start accusing many murderers of having that syndrome even though it should be clear that they DON'T.

    SO, someone, that doesn't even have a kid with autism, claims that her kid has autism, and starts an organization that insults many that have autism, and misleads research and diagnosis.

    After misreading it for SO long, they realize that they have made BIG mistakes! So what do they do? They broadened it yet AGAIN!

    Go on Youtube and look for HFA, high functioning autism, or Aspergers. Some actually clearly fit the definition, and you may not even notice it.

    Want to see an example? HERE she is talking about aspects she considers BENEFITS! BTW about autistics not being able to communicate? She is danish and speaks and reads danish, but HERE she speaks and reads and writes english.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAnMis...19/At4Vmo13vJE

    INCREDIBLE!

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    I think it is completely reasonable that the family was visited by Child Protection Services. Thomas Wilkinson posted earlier in thread that he suspected abuse and I am sure many others would. If the actions of the father that video weren't considered as extreme, it would not have got nearly 20 million views within a short time. This video has even been picked up by the Chinese press here.

    May be there is a cultural thing involved. Note that the vast majority of non US members do not support the actions of the father and are the most vocal to that effect here. I just cannot see how the daughter can be labeled as a "troubled teen". Who really likes housework and is it a crime to complain about your parents behind their backs. As I understand, only her "selected friends" can view her post in Facebook, this is very different to the completely public venue of Facebook. As to her friends who saw this, I am sure they would be intimidated by her father's presence. I am sure I would be if I had somebody like that as my work colleague.
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    ThomM,

    There are TWO types of "mental health" professionals out there:

    One type operate ON the brain and related areas. They are like the people that build motherboards. They may not understand the parts, OR how they are programmed or will react, but they can get it to RUN.

    The other type are experiential. They are like the end users of comuters that try to guess what is happening and how it happens.

    MY job is between the assembler and the user, and I can tell you NEITHER usually has a clue!

    You might have wondered what doctor is like a programmer? WHY did I leave it out? Well, ***I*** can use my experience to determine what is needed and how things may work. I can look at the reference books that can be tracked to the people that DESIGNED the circuits, etc... There is ****NO**** equivalent in the medical field!

    So for anyone to claim that they will know how ANY strange animal, or even strange human, would react is just naive.

    And I already showed how "mental health professionals" can't even identify autism, and how they fabricate an epidemic, and change the rules capriciously!

    Anyway, that father did NOT threaten the girl. He is married, and apparently happily so. The DAUGHTER started advertising this, and almost certainly knew how he was likely to react. There is a show on disney, called "good luck charlie". I KNOW I have seen this elsewhere! Do you know what the parents do, when the kids try to trick them? They usually do ALL THEY CAN to EMBARRASS them, publicly! YES, it is a TV show, but it gives kids a taste of what COULD happen and shows OTHERS have thought of it.

    Her father didn't say ANYTHING about her that SHE didn't say! He didn't make her sound ANY different from her peers! He didn't make himself out to look like a fool. So WHERE is the embarrasment?

    She probably got what she expected.

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      I can't help but be tickled by the thought of what the parent might otherwise do if he was raising his teenage daughter in the days before the Internet.

      When he takes the liberty to evesdrop on her telephone conversation to discover the almighty revelation that children don't like chores and their parents who impose them, does he shoot up the phone (one he's paid for no less) or chew up her Betty Boop journal with an auto cannon?
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        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


        When he takes the liberty to evesdrop on her telephone conversation to discover the almighty revelation that children don't like chores and their parents who impose them, does he shoot up the phone (one he's paid for no less) or chew up her Betty Boop journal with an auto cannon?
        Well, children not liking chores or that their parents imposed them was not the main root of the problem.

        And if he promised her he would do those things if it happened again, then I imagine he would have.

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I can't help but be tickled by the thought of what the parent might otherwise do if he was raising his teenage daughter in the days before the Internet.

        When he takes the liberty to evesdrop on her telephone conversation to discover the almighty revelation that children don't like chores and their parents who impose them, does he shoot up the phone (one he's paid for no less) or chew up her Betty Boop journal with an auto cannon?
        So what would you do if your daughter went on facebook and repeatedly called you an asshole?
        The equivalent before computers would be to go into a public place like a coffee shop and speaking loud enough for everyone to hear, not having a private, one on one conversation on the phone.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          So what would you do if your daughter went on facebook and repeatedly called you an asshole?
          The equivalent before computers would be to go into a public place like a coffee shop and speaking loud enough for everyone to hear, not having a private, one on one conversation on the phone.
          It wasn't meant to be a perfect analogy or be taken literally, though I'm convinced the father couldn't handle any of the aforementioned.

          I wouldn't go looking for the info in the first place and if it somehow magically appeared before me (which I'm sure will be the excuse) I'd do everything in my power to separate myself from my daughters "personal life" which she's entitled to, whilst coming to the realisation that petulant slander from a 15 year old is not going to have much of an impact anyways regardless of the expanse of her social circle which is likely filled with more 15 year olds who do exactly the same thing.

          It's of no coincedence that the only time people actually paid attention to her father and assumed he might be actually be a threat or indeed an "asshole" is when he took the liberty to star his gunslingin' self in a video.

          There's an apt saying I have: If you feed the dog your finger, don't cry when you get bitten.

          This guy cried.


          A person should only go feeding their fingers when they have thicker skin.

          This guy needs thicker skin.


          Moral: don't go looking for it and you won't get it.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            It wasn't meant to be a perfect analogy or be taken literally, though I'm convinced the father couldn't handle any of the aforementioned.

            I wouldn't go looking for the info in the first place and if it somehow magically appeared before me (which I'm sure will be the excuse) I'd do everything in my power to separate myself from my daughters "personal life" which she's entitled to, whilst coming to the realisation that petulant slander from a 15 year old not going to have much of an impact anyways regardless of the expanse of her social circle which is likely filled with more 15 year olds who do exactly the same thing no doubt.

            It's of no coincedence that the only time people actually paid attention to her father and assumed he might be actually be a threat or indeed an "asshole" is when he took the liberty to star his gunslingin' self in a video.

            There's an apt saying I have: If you feed the dog your finger, don't cry when you get bitten.

            This guy cried. A person should only go feeding their fingers when they have thicker skin. This guy needs thicker skin.
            That's a hell of an assumption considering you have no idea how many people read her post on facebook and what they thought of her father or her after reading it.

            Also he didn't go looking for it as you think. He was uploading a picture to the family's dogs facebook page and saw her post on the dogs page (which she forgot to block).

            Also you assume all her friends on FB are her age and you assume they all do the same thing, just like you assume it won't have any impact.
            Seeing how you don't know him, her, or her friends, those are nothing more then uneducated guesses.
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              That's a hell of an assumption considering you have no idea how many people read her post on facebook and what they thought of her father or her after reading it.
              The police arriving at the family home is enough for me to draw a conclusion.

              People were impacted negatively by her fathers video. My hypothesis therefore remains perfectly intact.

              Also he didn't go looking for it as you think. He was uploading a picture to the family's dogs facebook page and saw her post on the dogs page (which she forgot to block).
              That's quite an assumption to believe him.

              Also you assume all her friends on FB are her age and you assume they all do the same thing, just like you assume it won't have any impact.
              Seeing how you don't know him, her, or her friends, those are nothing more then uneducated guesses.
              Did you look through her friends list to suggest an opinion to the contrary?

              I'm one of a rare breed who know kids to be kids.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                The police arriving at the family home is enough for me to draw a conclusion.

                People were impacted negatively by her fathers video. My hypothesis therefore remains perfectly intact.



                That's quite an assumption to believe him.

                Did you look through her friends list to make your opinion an educated one?

                I'm one of a rare breed who know kids to be kids.
                It doesn't matter how other people where impacted, and the police where fine with it.
                So believing the father is just an assumption? Really?
                Did you look through her friends list before you made the statement about who her friends on FB where?
                By the way you're not as rare as you think.
                Every one of my kids as adults told me I was right when I was punishing them as kids and that I really did still know how kids are.
                Knowing kids to be kids doesn't excuse all their behavior, it just gives you an edge in parenting.
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                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  It doesn't matter how other people where impacted, and the police where fine with it.
                  A moment ago, this was a matter of your own:

                  "That's a hell of an assumption considering you have no idea how many people read her post on facebook and what they thought of her father or her after reading it."

                  The Police being "fine with it" is completely irrelevant to the fact that people were impacted negatively as I so rightly claimed.


                  So believing the father is just an assumption? Really?
                  I've lost track of what you are assuming me to believe.

                  Did you look through her friends list before you made the statement about who her friends on FB where?
                  Yes.

                  By the way you're not as rare as you think.
                  Every one of my kids as adults told me I was right when I was punishing them as kids and that I really did still know how kids are.
                  Knowing kids to be kids doesn't excuse all their behavior, it just gives you an edge in parenting.
                  I didn't claim it as an excuse for kids to run amok because it most certanly isn't. It's an "edge" which you put perfectly.

                  It's not however an excuse for an adult to act totally irresponsible - the definition of which seems to be the very root of the argument.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                    A moment ago, this was a matter of your own:

                    "That's a hell of an assumption considering you have no idea how many people read her post on facebook and what they thought of her father or her after reading it."

                    The Police being "fine with it" is completely irrelevant to the fact that people were impacted negatively as I so rightly claimed.


                    I've lost track of what you are assuming me to believe.

                    Yes.

                    I didn't claim it as an excuse for kids to run amok because it most certanly isn't. It's an "edge" which you put perfectly.

                    It's not however an excuse for an adult to act totally irresponsible - the definition of which seems to be the very root of the argument.
                    So the police being fine is irrelevant but the police being called BY STRANGERS isn't?
                    The police arriving at the family home is enough for me to draw a conclusion.

                    People were impacted negatively by her fathers video. My hypothesis therefore remains perfectly intact.
                    What are you basing people being impacted negatively on and really why does it matter how other people who weren't involved where impacted.
                    The father isn't trying to please strangers.
                    Also how is it confusing to you that I assume you don't believe the father when you came out and said this.
                    That's quite an assumption to believe him.
                    So because he said something that doesn't go with what you are saying about him, that automatically makes it a lie?
                    Using that logic I'll assume you didn't go to her FB page because that goes against what I said.:rolleyes:
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                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      So the police being fine is irrelevant but the police being called BY STRANGERS isn't?
                      You claimed I was making assumptions upon this matter which you youself raised. You were shown to the contrary.

                      Your talk of strangers is a red herring.

                      What are you basing people being impacted negatively on and really why does it matter how other people who weren't involved where impacted.
                      The father isn't trying to please strangers.
                      Police being called to the family home as mentioned.

                      It matters not who the father is trying to please. The point is police were called to the family home as a result of someone being negatively impacted which in turn resulted in concern for the mans child.

                      Also how is it confusing to you that I assume you don't believe the father when you came out and said this.
                      So because he said something that doesn't go with what you are saying about him, that automatically makes it a lie?
                      Using that logic I'll assume you didn't go to her FB page because that goes against what I said.:rolleyes:
                      You are throwing out suggestions so readily that I am making assumptions - more often than I am not. My point is, why do you make the assumption that the father is telling the truth when he claims he was uploading a picture of a dog to FB and not just peering through his daughters business?

                      You'll probably find you are making many assumptions of your own.
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                      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        You claimed I was making assumptions upon this matter which you youself raised. You were shown to the contrary.

                        Your talk of strangers is a red herring.

                        Police being called to the family home as mentioned.

                        It matters not who the father is trying to please. The point is police were called to the family home as a result of someone being negatively impacted which in turn resulted in concern for the mans child.

                        You are throwing out suggestions so readily that I am making assumptions - more often than I am not. My point is, why do you make the assumption that the father is telling the truth when he claims he was uploading a picture of a dog to FB and not just peering through his daughters business?

                        You'll probably find you are making many assumptions of your own.
                        The only real assumption I made was about you looking at her fb page and that was just an example of how you are assuming things to fit your argument.
                        Again it doesn't matter that a bunch of strangers who based solely on one video, and not knowing the man or daughter personally where effected.
                        Placing importance on the police being called and not the findings of the police is ridiculous. You're saying that a stranger being upset is more important then finding a happy well adjusted child. So would it have been better for the daughter if she was in danger?

                        The bottom line here is what the father did worked according to both him and his daughter. His family is fine with it.
                        So it doesn't matter one bit what I, you, or the rest of the world thinks about it.
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                          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                          The only real assumption I made was about you looking at her fb page and that was just an example of how you are assuming things to fit your argument.
                          Again it doesn't matter that a bunch of strangers who based solely on one video, and not knowing the man or daughter personally where effected.
                          Placing importance on the police being called and not the findings of the police is ridiculous. You're saying that a stranger being upset is more important then finding a happy well adjusted child. So would it have been better for the daughter if she was in danger?
                          Why would I, or anyone else, want the findings to be conclusive that his child is in danger?

                          If you want to push it to another level to claim that the police visiting were actually a result of a bogus call and that no-one was effected by his video, that's fair cop (no pun intended) but not something I'm going to agree with.

                          This segues smoothly into...


                          The bottom line here is what the father did worked according to both him and his daughter. His family is fine with it.
                          So it doesn't matter one bit what I, you, or the rest of the world thinks about it.
                          In my opinion, the bottom line is not that at all. As I have continously pushed, the bottom line is this:

                          The father has made an irresponsible and hasty move as a parent broadcasting his ways (which may work for him or not - I beleive the latter) to an audience who might be influenced to do similar - including in situations where it is not appropriate and with harsher force. It's about influence and emotion.

                          Again, people will be influenced.

                          Yes, once again we can question the morals and strength of those who are influenced, but people will be influenced and it won't always be carbon copied!

                          Claiming that it's all well and good between him and his family is void. It's not between him and his family. It's between him, his family and everyone who has viewed his video.

                          Needless to say, I do not agree at all with the Fathers approach. It's a problem within itself I feel, but when you push the idea that it's just between the family, you probably need to think again.
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                            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                            Why would I, or anyone else, want the findings to be conclusive that his child is in danger?

                            If you want to push it to another level to claim that the police visiting were actually a result of a bogus call and that no-one was effected by his video, that's fair cop (no pun intended) but not something I'm going to agree with.

                            This segues smoothly into...


                            In my opinion, the bottom line is not that at all. As I have continously pushed, the bottom line is this:

                            The father has made an irresponsible and hasty move as a parent broadcasting his ways (which may work for him or not - I beleive the latter) to an audience who might be influenced to do similar - including in situations where it is not appropriate and with harsher force. It's about influence and emotion.

                            Again, people will be influenced.

                            Yes, once again we can question the morals and strength of those who are influenced, but people will be influenced!

                            Claiming that it's all well and good between him and his family is void. It's not between him and his family. It's between him, his family and everyone who has viewed his video.

                            Needless to say, I do not agree at all with the Fathers approach. It's a problem within itself I feel, but when you push the idea that it's just between the family, you probably need to think again.
                            Again just an assumption and not based on the presented facts.
                            The father stated he thought about what he did before and after he did it, nothing hasty about it.
                            As far as irresponsible, that's just your opinion and not a fact.
                            His daughter choose to air her dirty laundry in public, he responded in public. Sometimes private stuff happens in public. Anyone else watching this are just spectators, not participants.
                            I'll go out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure the man and his family are glad they are all well and good. I think for them that is more important then how any stranger feels.
                            I still think it's between the family. Sure it was done in public and has been blown way out of proportion, but at the end of the day it's still about family.
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                          • Profile picture of the author garyv
                            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


                            Yes, once again we can question the morals and strength of those who are influenced, but people will be influenced and it won't always be carbon copied!
                            If you're going to use that argument, then we'd have to police and take down half of the videos on the internet, as well as most of the movies at the theater.

                            Just because people called the police, does not mean that he did anything wrong. It simply means that there were some people ignorant of his culture. And if people are ignorant of a certain culture, what better way to teach them about it, than to expose them to it?

                            It's a culture thing. There are certain areas in the Southern United States where the lifestyle is rough and gruff. These people don't pussyfoot around in their conversing or actions. It's usually a place where the adults grew up in households where there were a LOT of chores to be done, and not a lot of hours to do them. There was no time to form committees or make Tea and Crumpets to solve and discuss problems. If you had a problem, you solved it quickly and sometimes abruptly (like w/ a gun to the laptop).

                            And if you found a good solution to a problem - you shared it with others. And if others liked your solution, it usually became a tradition. And when you make a mistake - you try not to repeat it.

                            I think this was his Southern way of dealing w/ a problem many of them hadn't dealt w/ before. The video was his way of saying to her friends parents (most likely from the same culture) look, this is how I'm going to deal with this. If you're having the same problem, you may or may not want to try it. - Again a culture thing. I don't think he put it out there for the crumpet eaters to discuss during tea time.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                              If you're going to use that argument, then we'd have to police and take down half of the videos on the internet, as well as most of the movies at the theater.
                              Indeed.

                              There's vast amounts of content that should not be on the Internet.

                              The difficulty of managing the content does not make it's existance warranted.
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                              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                Indeed.

                                There's vast amounts of content that should not be on the Internet.

                                The difficulty of managing the content does not make it's existance warranted.
                                Touche'

                                But because this video is broadcast from the United States, our Constitution protects our rights of free speech. We are granted individual freedom, and thus are expected as individuals to be able to decipher right from wrong.

                                So in layman's terms - If you don't like what he did - Don't do it. Seems simple enough to me. And if there are some out there that are easily swayed, that is a problem not of his making. You can't always mold a world around the simple minded people.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                                  Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                                  Touche'

                                  But because this video is broadcast from the United States, our Constitution protects our rights of free speech. We are granted individual freedom, and thus are expected as individuals to be able to decipher right from wrong.

                                  So in layman's terms - If you don't like what he did - Don't do it. Seems simple enough to me. And if there are some out there that are easily swayed, that is a problem not of his making. You can't always mold a world around the simple minded people.
                                  The Constitution could therefore be argued to be part of the problem?

                                  I'd guess it's why he has a firearm and uses it so readily which might be an issue for some.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author garyv
                                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                    The Constitution could therefore be argued to be part of the problem?

                                    I'd guess it's why he has a firearm and uses it so readily which might be an issue for some.
                                    Only by those few simple minded people I referred to before. Those that are easily swayed by the actions of others. So in reality - no - the Constitution could NOT therefore be argued to be part of the problem. Simple minded people are the problem. People that can't control their own actions are the problem.

                                    I guess you can say people that never learned the value of a boundary are the problem. ** Eureka - that must be why those same people are upset w/ this video, because it so directly addresses that problem. He must have took a much needed direct blow to some nerves out there.
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                              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                Indeed.

                                There's vast amounts of content that should not be on the Internet.

                                The difficulty of managing the content does not make it's existance warranted.
                                But it DOES exist. That is reality.

                                So then by whose definition is "content that should not be on the internet"? While there may be some obvious items, things like the video that started this post are more opinion and gray area. You say "harmful" others say "instructional", "educational", etc. You would be no more right than those people.

                                Who manages it and what set of criteria would be used? One person says "offensive", and another says "funny". Who's right?

                                Frankly, I can decide for myself - and for my kids - what to watch and what to stay away from. I don't want or need anyone else to do that for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW there is ONE little fact known by the littlest ant, on up the food chain! I'm surprised more don't know it!

    People tend to notice things AFTER the thing makes its existence known! THAT might be why so many creatures have the "deer in the headlights" effect! If an animal thinks it sees you, and you stay still, there is a chance it could go around, etc...

    An eagle will generally NOT notice a mouse! SNAKES often don't notice mice! Heck, most times PEOPLE don't notice mice! NOPE, they recognize the MOVEMENT! If a mouse is on the ground an eagle could maybe miss it all day long but it MOVES, the eagle looks and BANG, *****LUNCH*****! And WHEN did you last notice a hole in your tire? They are almost NEVER noticed! People notice how things are AFFECTED! The tire becomes flat and affects things!

    WHY would ANYONE talk about the father of a teenager that externally may seem no worse than any other? NOPE, they noticed the father because "HE MADE HIMSELF KNOWN"! If he simply said he was her father, interest would have skyrocketed. If he said he saw her page, which WAS by accident, interest would have shot up MORE! If he had her laptop, it would have been MORE! If he hurt it, MORE! If he shot it, MORE!

    Give me a break, that gun was about the SMALLEST gun he could have used! OK, he COULD have used a bb gun, but bbs could conceivably ricochet, or not damage the disk drive, or maybe even not hurt the mother board! NOPE, that was about the smallest! Don't go on like he was some gun slinger that wanted to look like a big shot. And a fair number of people wear hats, ESPECIALLY when out in the open and working with animals and plants. There IS a valid reason for that. Unless you are bald, working in such an area, or think about it, you may not realize it, but there IS! And a number of people DO still smoke. sorry if you find it TOO stereotypical!

    I KNOW that associated people can see other people's pages. That IS the point! Apparently, her DOG has his own page, and she forgot to exclude it. Her parents logged into the dog's page to put some funny pictures of the dog up, and HER post popped up.
    So he wasn't trying to see her posts at all.

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I take it that the attacks against mental health professionals are meant tongue-in-cheek? My mother is a psychologist who has helped victims of post traumatic stress disorder, including war veterans, as well as children in incredibly difficult circumstances, among others. She helped a firefighter and his wife adopt a foster child and cut through bureaucratic red-tape that was preventing them from doing so. If she wasn't there for many of them, they would have had no one to turn to for psychological counselling and other help. I think society would be worse off without mental health professionals (even if some of them are kind of nutty themselves).
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    This is Sad... Honor Thy Mother and Father... Send her to Church Sir... Introduce her to the lord.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Daniel said:
    " Moral: don't go looking for it and you won't get it."

    But he also said:
    " I'm one of a rare breed who know kids to be kids. "

    Hate to break this to you Daniel,but your wrong on both counts.

    Don't go looking for it (which makes it sounds like you just think kids should run amuck and do what they please without consequences) and you wont get it. Which it correct, you wont get kids properly raised and brought up with Values.


    As far as you being one of the "rare breed" ,again,I hate to bust your bubble but most of your posts indicate that you think you are but actually far far far from it.


    Here is that dead horse again. Many many many of us posting here have already raised our children into adulthood. If we had followed your "parenting tips" I would be doing weekly visits to the county jail to see mine.
    Luckily, I didn't raise them the way you feel is proper and none are in jail.

    I think almost ALL of us know kids to be kids,Even you may have been one once.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Kim, to suggest someone is just "wrong" is very ignorant and inconsiderate to debate which encompasses differing opinion.

      You are breaking nothing to me, other than the fact that you misunderstand a discussion that does not have a conclusion. There is no "right" and no "wrong". There is no absolute onus.

      You'll be beating that dead horse until the cows come home if you can't grasp this concept.

      For your info though, the second quote you provide was a sarcastic undertone.

      I don't suggest kinds to run amuk as I've just previously outlined. Understanding of them only serve as an advantage to tackle a problem in a different way.

      I'd be really interested in your elaboration of how you'd be visiting jail if you followed my supposed "parenting tips" which so far have only suggested to not smash up my childrens belongings or air dirty laundry in public...
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Kim, to suggest someone is just "wrong" is very ignorant and inconsiderate to debate which encompasses differing opinion.

        You are breaking nothing to me, other than the fact that you misunderstand a discussion that does not have a conclusion. There is no "right" and no "wrong". There is no absolute onus.

        You'll be beating that dead horse until the cows come home if you can't grasp this concept.

        I don't suggest kinds to run amuk as I've just previously outlined. Understanding of them only serve as an advantage to tackle a problem in a different way.

        I'd be really interested in your elaboration of how you'd be visiting jail if you followed my supposed "parenting tips" which so far have only suggested to not smash up my childrens belongings or air dirty laundry in public...
        I'm glad you feel I am both ignorant and inconsiderate.
        Let me be the first to explain this to you in case you missed it before.
        I am as far away from "Politically Correct" as there can be. To me its Total BS> and completely unneeded.

        There is nothing inconsiderate and /or ignorant to say someone or some idea is wrong when it is blatantly so. And sorry,but I also have not misunderstood anything that you posted.
        Your suggestion to close a blind eye to what kids do and you wont have to deal with it,its just plain absurd. I should I say once again, wrong?

        I am breaking something to you, you just refuse to accept it.

        But then, I realized long ago the horse was dead, your the one still giving it mouth to mouth.

        You are one of the rare breed that know kids will be kids. Sorry Charlie, that breed isn't rare at all.


        Edit:

        "The point is police were called to the family home as a result of someone being negatively impacted which in turn resulted in concern for the mans child."

        Proof? Documentation of this? Maybe it was just some idiot sticking their nose where it didn't belong. Can't speak for the UK, nut it happens all the time here in the US.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          I'm glad you feel I am both ignorant and inconsiderate.
          Let me be the first to explain this to you in case you missed it before.
          I am as far away from "Politically Correct" as there can be. To me its Total BS> and completely unneeded.

          There is nothing inconsiderate and /or ignorant to say someone or some idea is wrong when it is blatantly so. And sorry,but I also have not misunderstood anything that you posted.
          Your suggestion to close a blind eye to what kids do and you wont have to deal with it,its just plain absurd. I should I say once again, wrong?

          I am breaking something to you, you just refuse to accept it.

          But then, I realized long ago the horse was dead, your the one still giving it mouth to mouth.

          You are one of the rare breed that know kids will be kids. Sorry Charlie, that breed isn't rare at all.
          I'm suprised that you feel you understand my posts given that I did not claim you to be ignorant or inconsiderate. I merely give you two aspects which are inconsiderate. Trust me, I word well as not to cause offence in my debate.

          Your portrayal of something being "wrong" is merely an opinion - something again which I feel you need to grasp.

          I'm struggling to comprehend how you still have it engrained into your philosophy that I condone kids to run wild when none of my posts have suggested this and I have highlighted this is recent subsequent posts. I can only conclude that maybe you are only seeing what you want to see to justify whacking a strawman.

          I did edit and add that my suggestion that I was a rare breed who knew "kids to be kids" was a sarcastic undertone before you made your reply. It was in reference to what I deemed to be dissapointing posts within this thread alone. Us Brits are rumoured to have this vibe of sarcasm. It's something many of us are aware of so are all to prepared to admit and clarify.

          My first quote however is something you can still cling onto since it's one I deem to be true. " Moral: don't go looking for it and you won't get it.", but it has nothing remotely to do with the context you put it in nor the "turn a blind eye" assumption which you concluded.

          The only thing you are breaking here is your back.


          If you'd address my previous burning question however I feel it may well be enlightening:

          You are throwing out suggestions so readily that I am making assumptions - more often than I am not. My point is, why do you make the assumption that the father is telling the truth when he claims he was uploading a picture of a dog to FB and not just peering through his daughters business?
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  • Profile picture of the author RevaxMedia
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    I had to laugh when I saw this...

    Maybe it's just the parent in me. :p





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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    He has no reason nor need to lie.
    Is that a sufficient answer?
    Now my question is why would you even think he was not telling the truth.??

    But here is a touch of reality.
    If I hold up what I call a spoon,and I am going to guess in the UK they call the same looking eating utensil a spoon also, and say this is a spoon.You come back and say ,no,thats not a spoon, thats a fork . Well, you would be wrong.
    And thats really been the gist of most of this being posted here. You say we are making assumptions, aI feel you are making a lot of assumptions,but just like the one in the post above, I actually ask for facts and/or proof, none which has been forthcoming against the father, only proof that have been forthcoming has been for both the father and the daughter.
    As far as closing a blind eye, that was your statement, no one elses. let me repeat it for you:" Moral: don't go looking for it and you won't get it."

    Well, as I readily admiited, being in IT when my kids were younger I not only went looking for it,but found it, and confronted them with it. That even right there was a MAJOR changing point in their lives.
    If I could go back in time I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

    Your statement appears at least to say leave them to their own designs and deal with the consequences later IF they arise. Bad idea,IMO
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      He has no reason nor need to lie.
      Is that a sufficient answer?
      Now my question is why would you even think he was not telling the truth.??
      To justify making an initial move which ended up with him in the limelight of the media?

      Can you honestly see his story begin with: "It all began when I was raking through my daughters Facebook account...."?
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        To justify making an initial move which ended up with him in the limelight of the media?

        Can you honestly see his story begin with: "It all began when I was raking through my daughters Facebook account...."?
        Daniel, you are so grasping at straws now.
        I can assure you that man had no need to "grab" the limelight.And there was nothing in the video to even suggest or indicate he was craving attention.That is something others,like maybe,internet marketers might have the need to do. :rolleyes:I'm sure next your going to be asking him to take a polygraph.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          I didn't state he "grabbed" the limelight in my words you quoted.

          I said he ended up in it.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            I didn't state he "grabbed" the limelight in my words you quoted.

            I said he ended up in it.
            Your EXACT words were he did it to JUSTIFY
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              Your EXACT words were he did it to JUSTIFY
              Those are not exact words and the word "justify" does not shed any light onto any point you are attempting to establish. The previous text you quoted did not correlate with your claim.

              Please quote me where I claim he "grabbed the limelight".
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              • Profile picture of the author KimW
                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                To justify making an initial move which ended up with him in the limelight of the media?

                Can you honestly see his story begin with: "It all began when I was raking through my daughters Facebook account...."?
                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                Those are not exact words and the word "justify" does not shed any light onto any point you are attempting to establish. The previous text you quoted did not correlate with your claim.

                Please quote me where I claim he "grabbed the limelight".
                Yes, those were your exact words as QUOTED in your post.
                You IMPLIED he did it to grab the spotlight.


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                They pull you back in."
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Kim,
                  "Just when you think you are out.......
                  They pull you back in."
                  [ahem] There is a difference between beckoning and pulling.


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                • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                  Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                  Yes, those were your exact words as QUOTED in your post.
                  You IMPLIED he did it to grab the spotlight when I asked you what other motive might he have.


                  "Just when you think you are out.......
                  They pull you back in."


                  Kim, I'm concerned for you.

                  Again, you have not quoted exact words.

                  If you did provide the quote, it would speak for itself and you wouldn't have to suggest that I'm implying.

                  Sorry buddy but unless you can actually quote me with the text "grabbed the limelight" as opposed to "ended up in the limelight" which you've quoted yet again I'll no longer be able to take you seriously in this discussion. You are quoting something which isn't even there.

                  You keep returning to beat the horse with very weak blows.
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                  • Profile picture of the author KimW
                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                    Kim, I'm concerned for you.

                    Again, you have not quoted exact words.

                    If you did provide the quote, the evidence would speak for itself and you wouldn't have to suggest that I'm implying.

                    Sorry buddy but unless you can actually quote me with the text "grabbed the limelight" as opposed to "ended up in the limelight" which you've quoted yet again I'll no longer be able to take you seriously in this discussion.

                    You keep returning to beat the horse with very weak blows.
                    Now Im worried about you,.I never said I was quoting you saying "grabbed the spotlight.'

                    I DID show and quote where you inplied he had a reason to lie about his actions,which is both rediculous and total conjecture on your part.

                    You made a comment that the father was probably not being honest. I adressed that and asked you how and why you brian could even come to that conclusion and THESE ARE YOUR EXACT WORDS: YOU CAN'T DENY THEM:

                    "Quote:
                    Originally Posted by KimW
                    He has no reason nor need to lie.
                    Is that a sufficient answer?
                    Now my question is why would you even think he was not telling the truth.??


                    To justify making an initial move which ended up with him in the limelight of the media?

                    Can you honestly see his story begin with: "It all began when I was raking through my daughters Facebook account...."?



                    Now quit trying to wiggle out of it. Your statement is very obvious one trying to implicate that the father was a liar.,with out any justification.
                    The rest is you trying ,without success,to put words in my mouth I never said or implied.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                      I DID show and quote where you inplied he had a reason to lie about his actions,which is both rediculous and total conjecture on your part.
                      You did, but you spoke of "exact words" Kim.

                      Implications are not exact words.


                      Originally Posted by KimW View Post


                      I adressed that and asked you how and why you brian could even come to that conclusion and THESE ARE YOUR EXACT WORDS: YOU CAN'T DENY THEM:

                      Once again, you claimed I said he "grabbed the limelight".

                      When I asked you for my quote you fell back upon an excuse which suggested me to be implying this. Your suggestion of me "wiggling out" is therefore hugely ironic. What I say and mean is present for all to see.

                      For your clarity, the fundamental difference between "grabbing the limelight" and "ending up in the limelight" (on an international scale which he achieved as a consequence) is intention.

                      Already we've addressed in this thread that the father doesn't have a god crafted ability to just call out to the world whenever he pleases otherwise he's make the perfect Internet Marketer or indeed, a dictator.

                      Now with that out of the way, please don't tell me what I'm implying (I speak articulately enough to avoid having to resort to veiled implication and you've assumed them throughout the entire thread) and please don't call me Brian.
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                      • Profile picture of the author KimW
                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        You did, but you spoke of "exact words" Kim.

                        I quoted the exact words I said you stated.Live with it

                        Implications are not exact words.

                        I never said they were, You are the one insisting that I said something that was never said. I challenged you before to show me where I said it, you still have not.
                        But you most certainly DID imply about the father.





                        Once again, you claimed I said he "grabbed the limelight".
                        Once again, SHOW ME. You can't because it didn't happen. No one else has pointed out to me where i said it either? Why not? Because its a figment of your wild imagination.

                        When I asked you for my quote you fell back upon an excuse which suggested me to be implying this. Your suggestion of me "wiggling out" is therefore hugely ironic. What I say and mean is present for all to see.

                        I showed you the only quote I claimed you made.Its is still there in black and white for ALL to see.I cannot show you a quote that you never made nor that I ever claimed you made. As far as your wiggling,it happened when I mentioned it and your making another attempt now..But no one is buying it that I can see.

                        For your clarity, the fundamental difference between "grabbing the limelight" and "ending up in the limelight" (on an international scale which he achieved as a consequence) is intention.

                        Already we've addressed in this thread that the father doesn't have a god crafted ability to just call out to the world whenever he pleases otherwise he's make the perfect Internet Marketer or indeed, a dictator.

                        Now with that out of the way, please don't tell me what I'm implying (I speak articulately enough to avoid having to resort to implication and you've assumed them throughout the entire thread) and please don't call me Brian.
                        Actually, you do not speak as articulately as you think you do or this conversation wouldn't have been needed. Of course you think you do,but you are sadly mistaken.


                        Now, I don't know if you are on mind altering substances at the moment or not, But as stated before, show mw the statement where I said i was quoting you as saying he grabbed the spotlight, or otherwise drop it,because I never said it.

                        (And I don't know who Brian is,sorry.)
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                        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                          Actually, you do not speak as articulately as you think you do or this conversation wouldn't have been needed. Of course you think you do,but you are sadly mistaken.


                          Now, I don't know if you are on mind altering substances at the moment or not, But as stated before, show mw the statement where I said i was quoting you as saying he grabbed the spotlight, or otherwise drop it,because I never said it.

                          (And I don't know who Brian is,sorry.)
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                          No problem Kim.

                          Your post is in the link below. You quote my text which stated "ended up in the limelight" yet in your text below my quote you place "grab the limelight" in quotation marks and you go on to elaborate upon what you assume to be my implication. If something is not otherwise presented in black and white (which it is) your assumption of implication might be assumed as you trying to read a persons mind - incorrectly no less.

                          I'm not sure how you confused my implication given that "ended up" (the very text you quoted) is an unintentional act as I've taken the time to explain to you in a previous post.

                          It's usual for people to segue from a post they quote and to address it directly, but you seemed to just twist your own quote of mine to match your expectations which was unfortunate not only for yourself but the debate as a whole.


                          http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post5629553

                          You begin with the implication suggestions after I challenged you to present what you had wrongly quoted and elaborated upon in attempt to justify having not addressed the actual content you quoted.

                          http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post5629742


                          I'm not sure if you this is an honest mistake through sKim reading, or you were trying to put words into my mouth, but the bottom line is this: If you quote content and continue the discussion based only upon your own version (or whatever you think you've just read), it's just going to open up a big can of stinking worms which otherwise doesn't really hold much value for the topic.


                          I think the "Brian" remark was you trying to type "brain" but you do tend to be a tad unarticulate yourself.

                          For someone who doesn't like to beat a dead horse you're brutal Sidney!
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Gary, just so you know certain areas in the Northeast are like that also
                    I grew up with farms all around me and my father worked 12 hour days 7 days a week (in the summer) in an ice house. When a problem came up you solved it fast. Maybe not in the prettiest way, but the problem got solved.
                    Back then all the farmers kept rifles on their tractors. That way they could either put meat on the table or kill a predator to their dairy cows.
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                    • Profile picture of the author garyv
                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      Gary, just so you know certain areas in the Northeast are like that also
                      I grew up with farms all around me and my father worked 12 hour days 7 days a week (in the summer) in an ice house. When a problem came up you solved it fast. Maybe not in the prettiest way, but the problem got solved.
                      Back then all the farmers kept rifles on their tractors. That way they could either put meat on the table or kill a predator to their dairy cows.
                      That's true - It's more of an old American culture. It just seems like it's more prevalent in the south, because the laws and politics have allowed traditions to flourish there more easily.
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    By the way,
    All my kids are gone, but I have a laptop I have the urge to blow up.Anyone have a gun I can borrow and then a youtube account we can load it to?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Kim,
    The Kindle Fire is THE new kindle readr that everyone is so hopped up about.
    Ummm. I know. Got one.

    That was a joke, dude. You know... self-defecating humor. (Well, okay. Maybe not THAT funny, but still humor.)


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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Kim,Ummm. I know. Got one.
      Paul
      I've got one too.

      The thing I find quite interesting about the the Kindle Fire is that both the words kindle and fire are hypernyms to the word "confuse" in the 3rd sense... confuse, flurry, disconcert, put off.

      So that just makes me wonder who Amazon was trying to confuse.

      Perhaps the buyers of the ipad for spending too much?

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Kim,Ummm. I know. Got one.

      That was a joke, dude. You know... self-defecating humor. (Well, okay. Maybe not THAT funny, but still humor.)


      Paul
      EEEW! Does tat happen often, or was THAT a joke TOO?

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "It's not between him and his family. It's between him, his family and everyone who has viewed his video.'

    Well La De dah! If you wish to go that route blame every friggin news media in the world that thought this was newsworthy. ( it isn't its just another sick symptom of our society that likes to sensationalize everything non newsworthy so they can hide the real news under the rug..


    Why don't people but the blame wehre it belongs instead of crucifying a parent doing what he has the right to do?

    (and to all those that are going boo hoo,the girl is scarred for life.Get over it already.)
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Honestly,
    I got good news from the DR today and this horse has been beat so long its turning into jerky,so I am going to think what I will and let everyone else think what they will and have a great rest of the afternoon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Terra,
    So that just makes me wonder who Amazon was trying to confuse.

    Perhaps the buyers of the ipad for spending too much?
    Apples to oranges, if you'll pardon the pun.

    For general reading, the e-ink display is far superior to either the Fire or the iPad. For productivity, the iPad beats the Fire handily.

    The Fire is an odd compromise. As an entry-level tablet for homes with an existing wifi connection, it's an excellent machine. But it doesn't do anything as well as the other two, or any of the better Android tablets.

    But it's got GREAT entertainment options.

    I just bought a Kindle Keyboard (3G) for my parents. I'm going to set them up with Gmail accounts, download a bunch of books to it for them, and see what happens. That way my Dad can Google sports and movie trivia and my Mom can email her friends and my brother, and they won't have to get an Internet connection to do it.

    Comes down to what's the right tool for the job.


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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Terra,Apples to oranges, if you'll pardon the pun.

      For general reading, the e-ink display is far superior to either the Fire or the iPad. For productivity, the iPad beats the Fire handily.

      The Fire is an odd compromise. As an entry-level tablet for homes with an existing wifi connection, it's an excellent machine. But it doesn't do anything as well as the other two, or any of the better Android tablets.

      But it's got GREAT entertainment options.

      I just bought a Kindle Keyboard (3G) for my parents. I'm going to set them up with Gmail accounts, download a bunch of books to it for them, and see what happens. That way my Dad can Google sports and movie trivia and my Mom can email her friends and my brother, and they won't have to get an Internet connection to do it.

      Comes down to what's the right tool for the job.


      Paul
      Very valid points, sir, however my post was intended to be a joke and somewhat humorous, and obviously something I failed at miserably.

      Anyway, I did indeed get mine for entertainment purposes and I do love it. I especially like the lighted background when reading. That is something the original Kindle didn't have.

      Now I don't need a little flashlight for reading when I'm supposed to be sleeping, Haha!

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    So Paul and Terra, if I was to get a kindle of any type, for my 87 year old mother,which would you suggest? (serious question).
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      So Paul and Terra, if I was to get a kindle of any type, for my 87 year old mother,which would you suggest? (serious question).
      That really depends on what she would be doing with it Kim. But with the price difference between the Kindle 3G and the Kindle Fire being only approximately $30, I'd recommend the Kindle Fire. (It has color, lol!)

      However, that being said, she would need to have a Wi-Fi connection in the house for internet usage where the Kindle uses satellite like a cell phone, I believe.

      The Kindle Fire has tons of apps for just about every thing, and some are even free. Like to play solitaire for instance.

      So it really comes down to what purpose you would give it to her for.

      Hope this helps.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      So Paul and Terra, if I was to get a kindle of any type, for my 87 year old mother,which would you suggest? (serious question).
      You really have to consider HER, and what she might use it for, and WHERE she would use it. The fire seemed smaller to me. ALSO, it's biggest feature is the flexibility and color. Of course, that means the battery likely won't last as long.

      If your mother is like MOST her age, and is comfortable with the interface, she might like the bigger kindle. It won't have apps. I don't think it even has an internet browser, but you can still buy and read books, and the print can be larger. Of course, if she travels via public transport, or sees well, that might not be an issue.

      Granted, MINE is just a semi educated opinion, but I bet I brought up a few good points.

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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        You really have to consider HER, and what she might use it for, and WHERE she would use it. The fire seemed smaller to me. ALSO, it's biggest feature is the flexibility and color. Of course, that means the battery likely won't last as long.

        If your mother is like MOST her age, and is comfortable with the interface, she might like the bigger kindle. It won't have apps. I don't think it even has an internet browser, but you can still buy and read books, and the print can be larger. Of course, if she travels via public transport, or sees well, that might not be an issue.

        Granted, MINE is just a semi educated opinion, but I bet I brought up a few good points.

        Steve
        Steve,

        If I am on my Kindle Fire most of my waking hours, the battery lasts for just over a day and a half.

        That only happened the first couple of days I got it, by the way, lol!

        However, I find I need to charge the battery approximately every four or five days and the recharge time is only a few hours too.

        The battery life is pretty good, in my opinion. I'm happy with it anyway.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Steve,

          If I am on my Kindle Fire most of my waking hours, the battery lasts for just over a day and a half.

          That only happened the first couple of days I got it, by the way, lol!

          However, I find I need to charge the battery approximately every four or five days and the recharge time is only a few hours too.

          The battery life is pretty good, in my opinion. I'm happy with it anyway.

          Terra
          i thought it was only rated for 8 hours. Of course, that should be with 100% duty cycle. If you do things like have lunch, etc... it may throttle down. ALSO, if you use WIFI, the time is shorter. But I think the kindle is supposed to up to like 15 days, because IT only uses power to DRAW the screen. OTHERS, like the kindle fire, use power for EVERYTHING, including like 50+ screen refreshes per second!

          The three reasons I think the large kindle is best for older women are:

          1. More screen real estate, so things are larger.
          2. Simpler.
          3. The battery lasts longer.

          I have to say, the kindle fire is CUTE! If it were more powerful and adaptable, I would have bought one last week. But you DO have to think about other things when dealing with people over say 60.

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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            i thought it was only rated for 8 hours. Of course, that should be with 100% duty cycle. If you do things like have lunch, etc... it may throttle down. ALSO, if you use WIFI, the time is shorter. But I think the kindle is supposed to up to like 15 days, because IT only uses power to DRAW the screen. OTHERS, like the kindle fire, use power for EVERYTHING, including like 50+ screen refreshes per second!

            The three reasons I think the large kindle is best for older women are:

            1. More screen real estate, so things are larger.
            2. Simpler.
            3. The battery lasts longer.

            I have to say, the kindle fire is CUTE! If it were more powerful and adaptable, I would have bought one last week. But you DO have to think about other things when dealing with people over say 60.

            Steve
            It could be rated for only 8 hours, I never did check into that, but I wasn't on the net the whole time I was on it those first few days. It does power down if it is idle for a bit or you can tap the power down button to activate a sort of sleep mode. Press it longer and it will ask you if you want to shut it down.

            I would also advise a larger screen for older people for certain web activities, as it does make some sites with a lot of info difficult to read with small print. Haha! Listen to me who's knocking on 50's door. :p

            It does also have settings to increase print size, but I haven't fiddled with that yet.

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              It does also have settings to increase print size, but I haven't fiddled with that yet.
              Yeah, my EEE does ALSO, but larger print means less text, and that means MORE SCROLLING! You really want to avoid that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Terra,
    however my post was intended to be a joke and somewhat humorous, and obviously something I failed at miserably
    Nah. I just spaced it.
    Anyway, I did indeed get mine for entertainment purposes and I do love it. I especially like the lighted background when reading.
    It's perfect for both of those. And the price can't be beat (yet) for those applications. Best tool for that job.

    Steve,
    EEEW! Does tat happen often, or was THAT a joke TOO?
    Also a joke. It means "To laugh so hard you crap yourself." (I made that up, but I'd bet others have had the same thought.)


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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Kim,

    Honestly? If she doesn't already have wifi access, I'd probably get her the DX. It has 3G, and it's got more screen real estate. Much easier on older eyes.

    If she has access to wifi at home, Terra's got it covered. "What would she use it for?"


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  • Profile picture of the author clean99
    Haha, that was a good laugh but also sad at the same time. I can't believe some kids are so disrespectful of what they have and what parents provide for them. I guess everyone has to live through rough times to understand the importance of mutual respect and love towards your close ones. It's sad, but it's true I heard all myself from my friends.
    Most of us are internet marketers here I assume and many of us realize how important all social media is to us, but at the same time I feel like my generation and younger kids getting a really bad influence from all those. Just my opinion...
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Paul and Terra,
    She does have wireless but not 3G.
    She is either bed ridden or wheelchair bound 24/7 but she keeps insiting she wants to learn about this "internet" thing.
    I was thinking about a tablet of some kind also,but I think she would be totally lost without any type of keyboard,but then again,I may be wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Get your glasses on and reread .I NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER said I was quoting you when I used the word grabbed. NEVER.Can your brain not comprehend that??

    The only time I quoted you at all what when I asked what reason the father had to lie and then I QUOTED you when you said "TO JUSTIFY" THAT WAS WHAT I QUOTED"
    And yes, you DID IMPLY the father was lying.

    Now, Since as I said before,you cannot nor ever will be able to show where I claimed I was quoting you saying he grabbed blah blah blah. Once again it is time for you to drop it completely and find some other little thing to try to nit pick apart. PS: the proper word is inarticulate.

    Once again your ego is so important to you that you cannot admit you are wrong,which you are most certainly.So you can say whatever you wish. Here in the states that would not be considered a quote,but if it makes you happy to call it one,feel free. The UK and the states do have different rules of grammar and I do not abide by "The King's English" (oops,was that a quote?)

    At the same time, I stand 100% behind the words of yours that I actually,really DID quote,and in which you IMPLIED the father had a motive to lie.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Get your glasses on and reread .I NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER said I was quoting you when I used the word grabbed. NEVER.Can your brain not comprehend that??

      The only time I quoted you at all what when I asked what reason the father had to lie and then I QUOTED you when you said "TO JUSTIFY" THAT WAS WHAT I QUOTED"
      And yes, you DID IMPLY the father was lying.

      Now, Since as I said before,you cannot nor ever will be able to show where I claimed I was quoting you saying he grabbed blah blah blah. Once again it is time for you to drop it completely and find some other little thing to try to nit pick apart. PS: the proper word is inarticulate.

      Once again your ego is so important to you that you cannot admit you are wrong,which you are most certainly.So you can say whatever you wish. Here in the states that would not be considered a quote,but if it makes you happy to call it one,feel free. The UK and the states do have different rules of grammar and I do not abide by "The King's English" (oops,was that a quote?)

      At the same time, I stand 100% behind the words of yours that I actually,really DID quote,and in which you IMPLIED the father had a motive to lie.

      I dislike to see a retort of a grown man in particular which borders on being petulant, so whilst we've swerved down a sideroute, I do feel this speaks volumes for the topic as a whole and why some people might backup this man and his video in question. It's been interesting.

      I believe I have already provided the information you've requested many times and thus won't be presenting it again.

      Your correction of my word was false. There are two ways of spelling the word. I entrust you can look this up too. Your spelling throughout has been lack luster but I've endured to ignore it and just accept you for a guy who wishes to express his opinion since spelling afterall wasn't the topic at hand and there is no telling why people might make such mistakes.

      My surname however is "Evans". I correct this since I hold it personal to me. There is no apostrophe after the "n", but who's to pick nits with a man who's just been kind enough to provide me with an assay on quotation marks?



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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Daniel,

        Not for nothing, but if you're going to call someone out for spelling and grammar, you should run your own posts through a spell checker. Three posts of yours just from this page (and I know there are more because of the amount of your posts I responded to yesterday):

        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Indeed.

        There's vast amounts of content that should not be on the Internet.

        The difficulty of managing the content does not make it's existance warranted.

        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        No problem Kim.


        I'm not sure if you this is an honest mistake through sKim reading, or you were trying to put words into my mouth, but the bottom line is this: If you quote content and continue the discussion based only upon your own version (or whatever you think you've just read), it's just going to open up a big can of stinking worms which otherwise doesn't really hold much value for the topic.


        I think the "Brian" remark was you trying to type "brain" but you do tend to be a tad unarticulate yourself.

        For someone who doesn't like to beat a dead horse you're brutal Sidney!
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I dislike to see a retort of a grown man in particular which borders on being petulant, so whilst we've swerved down a sideroute, I do feel this speaks volumes for the topic as a whole and why some people might backup this man and his video in question. It's been interesting.

        I believe I have already provided the information you've requested many times and thus won't be presenting it again.

        Your correction of my word was false. There are two ways of spelling the word. I entrust you can look this up too. Your spelling throughout has been lack luster but I've endured to ignore it and just accept you for a guy who wishes to express his opinion since spelling afterall wasn't the topic at hand and there is no telling why people might make such mistakes.
        Granted - these are minor and could actually be the result of hitting the wrong keys accidentally. But you pointed out errors in Kims posts - I thought it only fair to show you your own.

        And before you waste your time picking out mine - don't bother. I already know there are errors
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Mike, there are errors in my posts which I've already admitted to. The difference is, I didn't open the spelling and grammar school. Kim done that for us.

          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

          I'm not sure if you this is an honest mistake through sKim reading,
          Isn't it just awesome when a plan comes together...
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            Mike, there are errors in my posts which I've already admitted to. The difference is, I didn't open the spelling and grammar school. Kim done that for us.



            Isn't it just awesome when a plan comes together...
            No Daniel,
            You kept insisting I was quoting you and I kept explaining I had not. Even though some here would like to say I can't prove what I say,I went and proved that I was not quoting you,just as I had told you I wasn't.
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              No Daniel,
              You kept insisting I was quoting you and I kept explaining I had not. Even though some here would like to say I can't prove what I say,I went and proved that I was not quoting you,just as I had told you I wasn't.
              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              To justify making an initial move which ended up with him in the limelight of the media?

              You took my statement completely out of context and I'm going to go on (with friendly implication I assure you) to explain exactly why - hopefully as a finisher on my part.


              ** The quote of mine (above) was not suggesting that getting in the mass media was his intention. I simply stated that he perhaps needed to formulate an initial excuse to justify being in a situation where he did not want to be.

              **
              His excuse which I proposed was him claiming that he was uploading a picture of his dog rather than admit openly to everyone that he had infact been raking through his daughters FB account within the situation he did not wish to be.


              This is why the proper term "ended up" (my exact words) were relevant to the context rather than wanting to "grab" media attention which is a suggestion you were pushing through only your misunderstanding and in turn, making my claim into something else entirely.

              Your version suggests me to be saying he's lying for the purpose of getting himself into the media, when I'm merely stating that he might be formulating excuses to not have to admit to invading his daughters privacy after he inadvertently finds himself in the media.



              What concluded was you only assuming my implication which, as you can now see, was clearly wrong.

              No intention to break the calm status quo but I don't leave threads hanging.


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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post



                **
                His excuse which I proposed was him claiming that he was uploading a picture of his dog rather than admit openly to everyone that he had infact been raking through his daughters FB account within the situation he did not wish to be.

                If he was snooping on his daughter's computer, I don't think he'd be the type that would shy away from telling everyone.

                As a busy-body father myself, I have no qualms in telling you that I know every bit and byte that leaves my home network. I'm not going to be one of these imbecile parents on the news who's famous last words are always "I had no idea". I'm going know what my kids are doing, and it's my right (and actually responsibility) to do so. I may be labeled over-bearing for doing that, but I can live with that.
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                • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

                  ** His excuse which I proposed was him claiming that he was uploading a picture of his dog rather than admit openly to everyone that he had infact been raking through his daughters FB account within the situation he did not wish to be.
                  Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                  If he was snooping on his daughter's computer, I don't think he'd be the type that would shy away from telling everyone.
                  I mentioned nothing of his daughters computer.

                  Are you assuming he doesn't have one?

                  Scrap that question.....
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  I wouldn't label that overbearing at all, Gary.

                  I would label that as responsible and caring.

                  And as a matter of fact, I think the world would be a far better place if we had more fathers like you and Kim and Mike and Thom, etc., and the famous/infamous dad in the video.

                  Far too many parents complain their children are out of control and they wonder why! :rolleyes:

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                  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
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                    Far too many parents complain their children are out of control and they wonder why! :rolleyes:

                    Yeah, and this doesn't even begin to address the dead-beat Dads that don't take any responsibility in raising their children.
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                    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
                      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                      i thought it was only rated for 8 hours. Of course, that should be with 100% duty cycle. If you do things like have lunch, etc... it may throttle down. ALSO, if you use WIFI, the time is shorter. But I think the kindle is supposed to up to like 15 days, because IT only uses power to DRAW the screen. OTHERS, like the kindle fire, use power for EVERYTHING, including like 50+ screen refreshes per second!

                      The three reasons I think the large kindle is best for older women are:

                      1. More screen real estate, so things are larger.
                      2. Simpler.
                      3. The battery lasts longer.

                      I have to say, the kindle fire is CUTE! If it were more powerful and adaptable, I would have bought one last week. But you DO have to think about other things when dealing with people over say 60.

                      Steve
                      Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                      It could be rated for only 8 hours, I never did check into that, but I wasn't on the net the whole time I was on it those first few days. It does power down if it is idle for a bit or you can tap the power down button to activate a sort of sleep mode. Press it longer and it will ask you if you want to shut it down.

                      I would also advise a larger screen for older people for certain web activities, as it does make some sites with a lot of info difficult to read with small print. Haha! Listen to me who's knocking on 50's door. :p

                      It does also have settings to increase print size, but I haven't fiddled with that yet.

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                      Until they come out with a water/alcohol proof model, I'm not buying. Poor ole computer takes enough abuse.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                  If he was snooping on his daughter's computer, I don't think he'd be the type that would shy away from telling everyone.

                  As a busy-body father myself, I have no qualms in telling you that I know every bit and byte that leaves my home network. I'm not going to be one of these imbecile parents on the news who's famous last words are always "I had no idea". I'm going know what my kids are doing, and it's my right (and actually responsibility) to do so. I may be labeled over-bearing for doing that, but I can live with that.
                  One NASTY thing is that there are a lot of perverts that like triking young girls, or even young boys into basically allowing themselves to be kidnapped. some people spend all day pretending to be young girls to trap them before they approach REAL little girls.

                  With that, I think *I* would be a bit paranoid and over protective.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    For Mr Evan's knowledge:
    Single vs. Double Quotation Marks: Once Again British Usage Differs from American

    QUOTE:
    (Yes,a real quote)

    " as quotation within quotation is much less common than the simple kind, and conspicuousness is desired [for the more common simple quotation], the heavy double mark is the favourite. (591)

    At present, even many who follow British usage conventions for other forms of punctuation will use the double mark as their basic form for quotations. In fact, Julie's question concerned why I was enclosing nonquoted words in double quotation marks, when I was not after all quoting anything. The question itself implies that double marks are the preferred form for quotation.

    And that brings us to the point about using double quotation marks for enclosing words or phrases that are not actual quotations but that are being set off for some other reason--i.e., words referred to as words.

    When a word is being defined or otherwise set apart as a word, it needs to be rendered in some way that will distinguish it from the rest of the text. For words presented as vocabulary terms, either italics or boldface can be used.

    But when a word or phrase is being used archly or in some specialized sense, then it is more common to set it off with quotation marks, and since in the U. S. the standard form for quotation marks is the double mark, that is the form we use to set off such words or phrases. (For an example, look again at the title of my article in the link above, or check out the way I refer to words throughout that article.)


    So Mr Evans, while your perception may be that I was quoting you then, I in fact,as I have always claimed was not,yet I was also using a very commonly accepted form of punctuation used to offset words,not to quote them.
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    I should have had somebody video me when I shot the neighbors mutt in ass with a paintball gun. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody.

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      Next time tell me Thomas and I'll bring a camera!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    What information have you provided? A false statement that I was quoting you?
    I do give you props for managing to get the word whilst in a sentence though.

    My spelling has been lackluster? What a laughable statement. A typo or two may slip by me,I have no problem admitting that, but my spelling and usage of grammar is on par,if not exceeds yours.
    But it is true I will speak honestly and plainly.If that is a fault in your eyes it is one I can easily live with.
    At this point I have proven that what I said was correct,that I did not quote you as you kept trying to claim I did,and as much as you try to insult me, you have utterly failed.
    After last nights discussion I thought we both walked away on even ground,but after today I see that wasn't so.
    Gabbatha.

    PS: Quote: "I believe I have already provided the information you've requested many times and thus won't be presenting it again." Nope, not once have you been able to do that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      What information have you provided? A false statement that I was quoting you?
      I do give you props for managing to get the word whilst in a sentence though.

      My spelling has been lackluster? What a laughable statement. A typo or two may slip by me,I have no problem admitting that, but my spelling and usage of grammar is on par,if not exceeds yours.
      But it is true I will speak honestly and plainly.If that is a fault in your eyes it is one I can easily live with.
      At this point I have proven that what I said was correct,that I did not quote you as you kept trying to claim I did,and as much as you try to insult me, you have utterly failed.
      After last nights discussion I thought we both walked away on even ground,but after today I see that wasn't so.
      Gabbatha.

      PS: Quote: "I believe I have already provided the information you've requested many times and thus won't be presenting it again." Nope, not once have you been able to do that.
      Kim, sorry buddy. I don't mean to get personal and I tell you this only so that you can pass off better in a future debate and perhaps reconsider before you try to school someone on spelling and grammar.

      There are periods followed commas laden throughout your posts mingled amongst misspelled words that you even highlight.

      I only had to take this as an example from the previous page:

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Now Im worried about you,.I never said I was quoting you saying "grabbed the spotlight.'

      I DID show and quote where you inplied he had a reason to lie about his actions,which is both rediculous and total conjecture on your part.

      You made a comment that the father was probably not being honest. I adressed that and asked you how and why you brian could even come to that conclusion and THESE ARE YOUR EXACT WORDS: YOU CAN'T DENY THEM:


      Now quit trying to wiggle out of it. Your statement is very obvious one trying to implicate that the father was a liar.,with out any justification.
      The rest is you trying ,without success,to put words in my mouth I never said or implied.
      Gabbatha.

      This again isn't meant to be personal and I make mistakes myself constantly, but you should think twice before you try to teach something you aren't too sharp at yourself. This is only one such post of yours which shows such evident errors.

      I did tell you to relax and grab a beer during one of my edits (to correct some spelling no less) but it was lost somehow.

      I'd therefore take this opportunity to tell you to go get a beer.

      Too much time has been done and the situation is now totally off topic.



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    • Profile picture of the author Riggs
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      What information have you provided? A false statement that I was quoting you?
      I do give you props for managing to get the word whilst in a sentence though.

      My spelling has been lackluster? What a laughable statement. A typo or two may slip by me,I have no problem admitting that, but my spelling and usage of grammar is on par,if not exceeds yours.
      But it is true I will speak honestly and plainly.If that is a fault in your eyes it is one I can easily live with.
      At this point I have proven that what I said was correct,that I did not quote you as you kept trying to claim I did,and as much as you try to insult me, you have utterly failed.
      After last nights discussion I thought we both walked away on even ground,but after today I see that wasn't so.
      Gabbatha.
      I think you're angry because you don't understand Mr Evans' posts. You repeatedly claim to be "correct" whenever someone disagrees with you, yet supply little evidence to support the claims you make. You fail to write with the comprehensible grammar I would expect to see from a mature native American, and appear to throw child-like tantrums whenever someone disagrees with your dry, incorrect ideas.

      I would recommend leaving the thread before your consistently poor social conduct casts you into further ridicule.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        I think you're angry because you don't understand Mr Evans' posts. You repeatedly claim to be "correct" whenever someone disagrees with you, yet supply little evidence to support the claims you make. You fail to write with the comprehensible grammar I would expect to see from a mature native American, and appear to throw child-like tantrums whenever someone disagrees with your dry, incorrect ideas.

        I would recommend leaving the thread before your consistently poor social conduct casts you into further ridicule.

        I'm afraid that's far from happening here... You obviously do not know Kim and his reputation here.

        As far as grammar goes - arguing grammar in a forum known for it's diverse cultures and languages is usually a sign that you can no longer in good faith keep up with the original argument.

        That being said... I'm bowing out for a while. I already know that my spelling and grammar are/is atrocious.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        I think you're angry because you don't understand Mr Evans' posts. You repeatedly claim to be "correct" whenever someone disagrees with you, yet supply little evidence to support the claims you make. You fail to write with the comprehensible grammar I would expect to see from a mature native American, and appear to throw child-like tantrums whenever someone disagrees with your dry, incorrect ideas.

        I would recommend leaving the thread before your consistently poor social conduct casts you into further ridicule.
        I think your angry because you got spanked.
        I certainly understand his posts,apparently more so than yourself.
        I only "claim" to be correct when I am,and I have supplied more than enough evidence to support any claims I have made.

        Most of your posts in this thread have been laughable,and you have been called out on them by myself,others,and even a Mod.
        You keep saying your leaving this thread but you can't stay away.

        But since you have come back, and once again insulted me. You already know whats coming.
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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          But since you have come back, and once again insulted me. You already know whats coming.
          Really? Another infraction? Be warned, my father will hear of this!
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            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            Really? Another infraction? Be warned, my father will hear of this!
            Yes, another infraction,and every time you insult me on this forum you will get another. The choice is yours.
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            • Profile picture of the author Riggs
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              Yes, another infraction,and every time you insult me on this forum you will get another. The choice is yours.
              I never insulted you. Though I am satisfied that's your natural defense whenever I quote one of your posts.
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              • Profile picture of the author KimW
                Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                I think you're angry because you don't understand Mr Evans' posts. You repeatedly claim to be "correct" whenever someone disagrees with you, yet supply little evidence to support the claims you make. You fail to write with the comprehensible grammar I would expect to see from a mature native American, and appear to throw child-like tantrums whenever someone disagrees with your dry, incorrect ideas.

                I would recommend leaving the thread before your consistently poor social conduct casts you into further ridicule.
                Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                I never insulted you. Though I am satisfied that's your natural defense whenever I quote one of your posts.

                LOL, you not only insult me but lie about it as well.

                I certainly can't think of anyone that would consider that statement anything but an insult.

                But as mentioned before, you keep "claiming" your leaving this thread the better man,but you can't do it. Your need for attention,good or bad, is outweighing any common sense you may have.
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                • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                  Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                  LOL, you not only insult me but lie about it as well.

                  I certainly can't think of anyone that would consider that statement anything but an insult.
                  No.

                  Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                  But as mentioned before, you keep "claiming" your leaving this thread the better man,but you can't do it. Your need for attention,good or bad, is outweighing any common sense you may have.
                  Clever sales technique. So if I stay I'm not the better man, but if I go I lose the satisfaction of victory? Maybe I'll just leave for now and come visit you again later when you miss me.
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                  • Profile picture of the author KimW
                    Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                    No.



                    Clever sales technique. So if I stay I'm not the better man, but if I go I lose the satisfaction of victory? Maybe I'll just leave for now and come visit you again later when you miss me.
                    I hate to break it to you,but if you lived to twice my age you would never make it to half the man I am,much less the better man.

                    And stay or go, you will never have victory either. What a spot to be in. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    Bugs me that a redneck with a funny hat and adequacy issues gets twice as many views on You Tube as Sully Sullenburger did for landing a jet liner in the Hudson river with two minor injuries and no fatalities.

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      Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

      Bugs me that a redneck with a funny hat and adequacy issues gets twice as many views on You Tube as Sully Sullenburger did for landing a jet liner in the Hudson river with two minor injuries and no fatalities.

      Thomas
      LOL - Not everyone toting a gun has adequacy issues.

      But you can rest happy, knowing that he'll never have as many views as The Tootin' Bathtub Baby Cousins...

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Gee Golly Mr EvanS, Thanks a million.
    How I ever got my college degree without you I will never know.
    I could very easily go through many of the posts you made and find similar examples,but I am not going to bother.
    My father had a Masters in english language.Admittedly I am not as smart as he was,but I can hold me own, especially when I deem it important. Contrary to what you may think. this thread was for fun,not to change the world. If I ever decide to write a manifesto I will certainly have someone proofread it for me.
    But before you start throwing stones, go reread many of your posts. They are not th eloquent writings you may feel they are.
    That being said, you also don't know a thing about me or what I have dealt with over the past few years,nor do you even need to.
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    This was great! Definitely created a buzz on and offline.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    We all make spelling and grammar mistakes. I'd say as long as you don't make them in your sales letters you doing ok!
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Well Daniel, I know of no perfect person

    Although from the time my kids were old enough to understand me until they were old enough to know the truth, I had them ALL convinced for a while that I WAS perfect - LOL!

    Ah, those were the days...

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Quite a pissing contest in this thread. If the three of you (and you know who you are) continue acting like the girl referenced in the video, I just might have to shoot **your** computers.






    A little levity, kids, just a little levity.

    We now return you to the "Kim, Daniel and Riggs" show...followed by a
    very special episode of "Blossom"...

    (I threw the quotes in there for giggles. I can't remember if you quote TV show titles or not.)
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Quite a pissing contest in this thread. If the three of you (and you know who you are) continue acting like the girl referenced in the video, I just might have to shoot **your** computers.






      A little levity, kids, just a little levity.

      We now return you to the "Kim, Daniel and Riggs" show...followed by a
      very special episode of Blossom...

      (I threw the quotes in there for giggles. I can't remember if you quote TV show titles or not.)
      Dan,
      You don't understand, for the first time in almost 5 years I CAN piss! Happy Happy Joy Joy!
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        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Dan,
        You don't understand, for the first time in almost 5 years I CAN piss! Happy Happy Joy Joy!

        Glad to hear that, by the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Jacob,

    If Daniel and Kim want to argue past each other and "nyah nyah" each other like children, let them. They are perfectly capable of acting foolish without any further prompting from you. Stay out of it, please.


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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Jacob,

      If Daniel and Kim want to argue past each other and "nyah nyah" each other like children, let them. They are perfectly capable of acting foolish without any further prompting from you. Stay out of it, please.


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      Paul,
      you have a PM.
      This has gone on long enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Kim,
    She does have wireless but not 3G.
    The 3G I was referring to is built into some models of Kindle.
    She is either bed ridden or wheelchair bound 24/7 but she keeps insiting she wants to learn about this "internet" thing.
    Ask her what she wants to learn.

    If she wants to learn about the Net, it will have to be a Fire or an Android tablet of some kind. Honestly, though, if that's her goal, you can get a decent laptop for her pretty cheaply.

    A tablet may not be the right answer to this question. Especially if she has kids, grandkids, or friends she'd like to stay in touch with.


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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      A tablet may not be the right answer to this question. Especially if she has kids, grandkids, or friends she'd like to stay in touch with.
      <SPLORF> ...lmao, especially if they own any firearms.

      Sorry Paul, I just couldn't resist. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Kim,The 3G I was referring to is built into some models of Kindle.Ask her what she wants to learn.
      Yeah, ALSO, 3G is sales slang for EVDO. EVDO uses the cellular network almost like WIFI, except wifi is limited to about 1000feet or so, and every CELL(if you want to call it that) may be owned and controlled by ANYONE, and they may not even exist! So stray about 1000feet, and all bets may be OFF! EVDO is limited to about 2 miles, cells are strategically placed to try to avoid gaps, and contracts usually allow them to be shared. So you COULD start a load at home, drive to the airport MILES away, and it could load the whole way as if it were never moved. Wifi just doesn't allow that.

      EVDO would EASILY have killed the hotspot business if it weren't generally so expensive. As I understand it, Most ipads, kindles, and nooks, actually have a perpetual agreement so a carrier provides that service for FREE! I have a nook, and it IS nice being able to sit down almost anywhere, order a book, and read it. I CAN do that with my laptops, but pay about $50/month for the privilege!

      If she wants to learn about the Net, it will have to be a Fire or an Android tablet of some kind. Honestly, though, if that's her goal, you can get a decent laptop for her pretty cheaply.
      Yeah, the eee line has laptops that are better in almost every way, as far as flexibility, than most tablets, and they start at a price not much higher than about the cheapest decent tablet. Of course tablets are often more durable, have touchscreens, and are a bit smaller.

      A tablet may not be the right answer to this question. Especially if she has kids, grandkids, or friends she'd like to stay in touch with.
      Good point.

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    LOL Jody! No guns I promise.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    LOL Kim, just trying to inject a bit of humor here - it's not that hard when Paul get's involved - as he always know the right thing to say!
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      Jody,
      LOL Kim, just trying to inject a bit of humor here - it's not that hard when Paul get's involved
      Ummm... Thanks. I think. Unless that's another "He's got a face for radio" joke.
      - as he always know the right thing to say!
      Sadly, that hasn't been true since I was 17.


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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Jody,Ummm... Thanks. I think. Unless that's another "He's got a face for radio" joke.Sadly, that hasn't been true since I was 17.


        Paul
        Now Paul, you're starting to misinterpret what I said.....lol.....j/k. It was meant as a compliment.

        Now, just don't go p*ssing me off, or I just may have to retract that statement!!
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Jody,
          Now Paul, you're starting to misinterpret what I said.....
          Umm... Is this the wrong room for that? I thought this was "Getting hit on the head lessons."

          Dammit! I knew I should have bought the map!


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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Jody,Ummm... Thanks. I think. Unless that's another "He's got a face for radio" joke.Sadly, that hasn't been true since I was 17.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Kurt,
          Not to mention...The perfect voice for print.
          Have I told you today, sir? Have I?

          Consider yourself told.

          Also... I really do have a voice for radio. At least after my morning coffee. Before that, I have a voice for Star Wars commercials. (Vader, not Jar-Jar)


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    Daniel,
    Thanks for the clarification.
    As far as me misunderstanding you or you misunderstanding me,it doesn't matter. As I have mentioned already to several people, I am done with this thread.
    Have a great night.
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      Pssst...

      Is it safe to enter the waters yet? :p

      Wait...bad choice of words! I don't wanna get p*ssed on or p*ssed off!

      You know I luv ya, Kim!

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    I think what you did was what might make her think twice about doing that again.

    Way to go!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Steve,

    The iPad doesn't have any free cellular connectivity. The $25, 2G/Mo plan is decent, and, if you go with AT&T, will give you excellent coverage.


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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Steve,

      The iPad doesn't have any free cellular connectivity. The $25, 2G/Mo plan is decent, and, if you go with AT&T, will give you excellent coverage.


      Paul
      WOW! I thought they did! The NOOK is FREE! Of course, the browser on the nook, that I have anyway(I got the first generation one, with a regular B/W e-ink, as I recall, and a little color touch sensitive screen), is experimental, so most access is to BUY. But some things are even FREE!

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Steve,

        The applications people use the Fire or iPad for are much more data-heavy than the e-ink Kindles or the Nook.

        Compare a book at (typically) 500-900KB, which you can charge $6-$20 for, to a hi-def movie downloaded from some external source. The cost model for the first makes sense with a "free" 3G connection. The second... Not so much.


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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Steve,

          The applications people use the Fire or iPad for are much more data-heavy than the e-ink Kindles or the Nook.

          Compare a book at (typically) 500-900KB, which you can charge $6-$20 for, to a hi-def movie downloaded from some external source. The cost model for the first makes sense with a "free" 3G connection. The second... Not so much.


          Paul
          Yeah, I mentioned that myself a few times.
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