Dad Gets Revenge On FaceBook

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I had to laugh when I saw this...

Maybe it's just the parent in me. :p


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  • Profile picture of the author evawj
    Am so sorry,so sad hopefully she's learnt her lesson.
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    • Profile picture of the author VipsK
      Good on you daddy! That is just lovely - revenge is sweet - seems my (now grown up) kids where not alone in their bad and disrespectful behavior!

      They did also learn the facts about 'cause & effect' - cause trouble/hurt etc, then the effect is grounded/no pay/no dinner etc.....that is life after all!

      Most of todays kids really will have a great chock when they leave their cottonwool life behind and get out into real life!
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      • Profile picture of the author shalz15jan
        Originally Posted by VipsK View Post

        Good on you daddy! That is just lovely - revenge is sweet - seems my (now grown up) kids where not alone in their bad and disrespectful behavior!

        They did also learn the facts about 'cause & effect' - cause trouble/hurt etc, then the effect is grounded/no pay/no dinner etc.....that is life after all!

        Most of todays kids really will have a great chock when they leave their cottonwool life behind and get out into real life!
        Even I am feeling the same. Sometimes kids don't realize how they hurt their parents but their exposure to real life soon makes them realize. At the same time, destroying the laptop wasn't really a solution to the problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          destroying the laptop wasn't really a solution to the problem.
          I suspect no-one will know if that's true for quite a while. Including Dad and daughter.


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  • Profile picture of the author stephngreek
    Lol, Opps ...........
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    How can he let a good laptop go to waste???? I would have put it on Ebay and sold it instead
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      How can he let a good laptop go to waste???? I would have put it on Ebay and sold it instead
      Haha Sheryl,

      That's just the entrepreneur in you shining through.

      I thought...Well, there goes the girl's chance of ever having a date! Dad just scared off every boy in the state, lol!

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Haha Sheryl,

        That's just the entrepreneur in you shining through.

        I thought...Well, there goes the girl's chance of ever having a date! Dad just scared off every boy in the state, lol!

        Terra
        Best advice for Dads who are meeting that "first" boy over to take out his baby girl?

        Shoot him. Word gets around.
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        • Profile picture of the author InWait
          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Best advice for Dads who are meeting that "first" boy over to take out his baby girl?

          Shoot him. Word gets around.
          Frame the laptop and make it one of the first things boys see when they come into the house. Show them that daddy don't play around.
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          • Profile picture of the author bhl2506
            Originally Posted by InWait View Post

            Frame the laptop and make it one of the first things boys see when they come into the house. Show them that daddy don't play around.

            +1 for Dad.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Dave,
          Best advice for Dads who are meeting that "first" boy over to take out his baby girl?
          "I'll just be sitting here,
          Cleaning this gun."

          Go DAD!
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Dave,"I'll just be sitting here,
            Cleaning my gun."

            Go DAD!
            Paul,

            Okay, now you sound like my dad, lol!

            He was an avid hunter and loved to go to the shooting range or out in the fields and shoot clay pigeons. He had guns of all shapes and sizes.

            I can't tell you how many boys he chased off just by doing that very thing right out on the front porch "coincidentally" at the time they were supposed to arrive.

            Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Dave,"I'll just be sitting here,
            Cleaning my gun."

            Go DAD!

            About a father threatening BOYS to make them have respect for his DAUGHTER!

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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Steve,

              I've never heard this before most likely because I'm not a real fan of country music, but I love this!

              It reminds me so much of my dad and the timing is perfect. This Valentine's Day will be the 4th anniversary of his passing. Thank you so much for the fond memories this brought back.

              Who knew, huh?

              Terra
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                Steve,

                I've never heard this before most likely because I'm not a real fan of country music, but I love this!

                It reminds me so much of my dad and the timing is perfect. This Valentine's Day will be the 4th anniversary of his passing. Thank you so much for the fond memories this brought back.

                Who knew, huh?

                Terra
                Yeah, my tastes are kind of eclectic, but I haven't listened to country much. 6-( Since I moved here, about 12 years ago, IT is one of the most popular genres of music here, and I have listened to it a LOT. THIS is one of the more popular songs right now.

                It is a little off topic here, but I will show you a country video I LOVE! They tricked the girl into thinking that they were just WAITING for the crew to be ready for her father, but they had the cameras trained on her and her father! So it is REAL! It's a pitty that the best one has so many ads. 8-(


                Country music has been maligned so much, when much of it IS nice, even some of the funniest and silliest ones have a nice story, and moral, like:


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    • Profile picture of the author Shift23
      Maybe this was needed since she obviously didn't learn the first time round.

      But at least by selling it on Ebay he's make the $135 back that he spent
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    • Profile picture of the author revstan
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      How can he let a good laptop go to waste???? I would have put it on Ebay and sold it instead
      This is much more fun :p

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    I had to laugh when I saw this...

    Maybe it's just the parent in me. :p



    The eternal battle between parents and offspring goes on. LOL!

    She was very, very disrespectful in her letter.

    Destroying the laptop was super silly IMHO and indicates that they are in a very decent financial situation.

    So...

    Does she really need to get a job?

    IMHO doing her schoolwork well, and the chores around the house are more than enough to do for any teenager - unless the family disparately needs the extra income or she wants extra money to spend.

    If she does gets a job, it must not interfere with her school work.

    Why should a parent get up for a cup of coffee when a youngster is around to do it instead?

    Let's pray the girl does not do anything harmful to herself.

    All The Best!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Does she really need to get a job?
      The father might just be trying to instill a sense of work ethic in the girl.
      From her letter, she seems to have a bit of an entitlement issue.

      That and he's pissed.

      Just my two cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I'm with you on hoping she isn't so devastated that she does something harmful to herself!

      I personally am against public humiliation as a form of discipline, but there are some that come at it from the vein of let the punishment fit the crime.

      One thing is certain though, this definitely will not help their obviously strained relationship.

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        It's incredible how fast the view count on that video is rising.


        I imagine right about now he's wishing he had done it a bit differently.

        His facebook page mentions that he's not about to do any interviews at all. He doesn't want his daughter to think that it's ok to profit from something like this.

        Also - here's his story about how she got caught:

        "HOW SHE GOT CAUGHT: The Dog Did It.. no, really.

        I finally came out and told her this today, partly because it was too funny NOT to share.

        When my daughter made her post, she used Facebook's privacy settings to block "Family" and "Church" friend's lists. All her other friends could see it. We, of course could not.


        One of our dogs is always getting in photos and therefore has her own Facebook pa
        ...ge. It's just a cute dumb thing we did for fun. Well, the dog's profile is rarely used except when funny pictures of her are posted. Since that's not too often, and she has very few friends on Facebook, her wall is kind of bare, with relatively few posts showing up on it.

        The other night we gave the dog a bath and there was a funny photo we uploaded to Facebook and tagged her in. I logged in as the dog the next morning to comment on the photo. However when I logged into the dog's profile, my daughter had forgotten to add her to the "family" list.... so our family dog's profile showed her post right there on the front page.

        It wasn't any parent-hacking, computer spying, or monitoring of any kind.. the dog actually ratted her out completely by accident. She hasn't petted that dog all day today..."
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          It's incredible how fast the view count on that video is rising.
          OMGosh! This video now has 2,166,590 views in just 2 days!

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            OMGosh! This video now has 2,166,590 views in just 2 days!

            Terra
            WOW... I think i just had an idea for a viral video! LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Wow Sal,

        My parents forbade me to get a job at that age too even though all of my friends were.

        They told me that these years were going to be the ones I looked back upon as some of the best when I was older, so I needed to enjoy them and have fun.

        I had my share of chores to do though before I could have that fun!

        And I have a very good work ethic. There are other ways to instill that in children, IMHO.

        Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    TL - that's what bugged me "You are 15...." then harping on her to get a job. Other than something like occasionally babysitting, why should a kid that age have to work for a living. Let her be a kid for awhile. My parents wouldn't ALLOW me to get a job when I was in school.

    While it was kinda funny that the little twit got caught -- did you hear the list that daddy rattled off about what he was doing at her age? Not everyone could handle that kind of load. I'm getting the feel that he is more than hard to live with and I'm looking forward to the girl getting pregnant to get out from under him.

    Since he's so high intensity have to be busy every minute of your life, maybe he could have been teaching her to build a website and a business online - teach her about always having at least a bit of business demeanor online and keeping the personal rants that could reflect negatively off the net.

    I can see how he'd be ticked off about that letter - but he just further enslaved a girl that feels she's being used as a maid. Much better he could have sat down and talked to her about all they do for her and why being a team player in the family makes her feel so bad. He definitely should go a different route about making a 15 year old girl get a job. If she says she's that tired, there might be something wrong with her. She might just not have his extreme energy level. There's a lot of people that couldn't keep up with that guy - but they aren't "lazy".

    Sorry redneck daddy - FAIL.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The eternal battle between parents and offspring goes on. LOL!

      She was very, very disrespectful in her letter.

      Destroying the laptop was super silly IMHO and indicates that they are in a very decent financial situation.

      So...

      Does she really need to get a job?

      IMHO doing her schoolwork well, and the chores around the house are more than enough to do for any teenager - unless the family disparately needs the extra income or she wants extra money to spend.

      If she does gets a job, it must not interfere with her school work.

      Why should a parent get up for a cup of coffee when a youngster is around to do it instead?

      Let's pray the girl does not do anything harmful to herself.

      All The Best!!

      TL
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      TL - that's what bugged me "You are 15...." then harping on her to get a job. Other than something like occasionally babysitting, why should a kid that age have to work for a living. Let her be a kid for awhile. My parents wouldn't ALLOW me to get a job when I was in school.

      While it was kinda funny that the little twit got caught -- did you hear the list that daddy rattled off about what he was doing at her age? Not everyone could handle that kind of load. I'm getting the feel that he is more than hard to live with and I'm looking forward to the girl getting pregnant to get out from under him.

      Since he's so high intensity have to be busy every minute of your life, maybe he could have been teaching her to build a website and a business online - teach her about always having at least a bit of business demeanor online and keeping the personal rants that could reflect negatively off the net.

      I can see how he'd be ticked off about that letter - but he just further enslaved a girl that feels she's being used as a maid. Much better he could have sat down and talked to her about all they do for her and why being a team player in the family makes her feel so bad. He definitely should go a different route about making a 15 year old girl get a job. If she says she's that tired, there might be something wrong with her. She might just not have his extreme energy level. There's a lot of people that couldn't keep up with that guy - but they aren't "lazy".

      Sorry redneck daddy - FAIL.
      /rant on
      For once I completely disagree with you Sal, she should get a job to learn values. And if she is bitching about having to sweep a floor and wipe a counter,she obviously is in need of a good ass whooping too. Kids these days are spoiled rotten. A waste of a good laptop? The only reason a kid of 15 would need a laptop is if the school required them,which in itself is ridiculous in my opinion. Why aren't they actually learning anything in school anymore? Because they dont have to.
      I posted this video on my Facebook earlier today, those of you that are on my list probably have already seen it.
      Father fail? Not in the least bit. I applaud him and any other parent,man or woman that actually is trying to teach there child how to live in the real world!

      My children never had a laptop till they were in college. They had a desktop that they shared. And on that desktop was a monitoring program I installed to see what they actually did.
      At one point I had to tell my wife about some bad behavior. She didn't believe me,then I showed her. Boy were her eyes opened.
      These sweet little children that everyone says "well,that kid did it but mine never would" really need to get a grip on reality.
      /rant off

      /rant on
      TL,
      If he felt it was appropriate to destroy the laptop,what difference does it make? He bought it,she didn't. And this was not the first time she had exhibited bad behavior. And what if he is in a very decent financial situation? I think he made his point very well. It seems some here think her behavior is ok. I don't.
      "MHO doing her schoolwork well, and the chores around the house are more than enough to do for any teenager - unless the family disparately needs the extra income or she wants extra money to spend."

      Oh get a grip. The only point in this statement I agree with is if she wants spending money. Yes she should earn itif she wants it. She has obviously had had so many things handed to her that she knows the value of nothing.

      "Why should a parent get up for a cup of coffee when a youngster is around to do it instead?"
      You have no clue what that was about. Maybe it was something like "since your in the kitchen will you bring me a cup of coffee? I asked my kids that plenty of times and they never had a issue with it.

      As far as "Let's pray the girl does not do anything harmful to herself."

      I certainly hope not too,but if she does I would blame the society she is being raised in, not the parents.
      /rant off

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Terra,
      Come to think of it, looking back, the few guys that didn't hightail it and run turned out to be decent upstanding guys, but a lot of the ones who ran ended up being hooligans, trouble makers or did some jail time.
      People forget... Dads were the same age at one point. They know what's going on. My Dad didn't need a gun, though. My sister has four brothers, and we were scary enough.

      Steve,
      About a father threatening BOYS to make them have respect for his DAUGHTER!
      I wondered who'd catch the reference.

      Sal,
      he just further enslaved a girl that feels she's being used as a maid
      Did you listen through to the point where he listed her actual "chores?" A whopping great 15 minutes, on a bad day. "Enslaved?"

      Wow. Just... wow.

      Think for a moment about how the young lady set that up. She addressed it to her father, but made it viewable to everyone BUT her family. That was worse than disrespectful, Sal. That was deliberately destructive.

      If there's anything I like less than premeditated stupidity and casual rudeness, it's malicious destruction.

      I think Dad's answer was exactly the right response.


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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Terra,People forget... Dads were the same age at one point. They know what's going on. My Dad didn't need a gun, though. My sister has four brothers, and we were scary enough.

        Paul
        Haha! I wish I would have had some big brothers to watch out for me.

        Hubby never had a gun either, but he just has this look that is super intimidating. The kids came to call it his evil eye and they still stop dead in their tracks when they see it even though they're grown now.

        One of my girls even uses it as a warning method with her kids. "Do you want me to tell Papa?" Amazingly, it works, lol!

        Never has on me though!

        I watched some boys literally break out in a sweat when they came calling on one of our girls and had to meet "dad" first. It was fun to watch adam's apples slide up and down in their throats too.

        Terra
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          @ Kay

          Well said!

          We had a schedule set up on the home PC and not only did the kids have a scheduled time to be on the computer, but timed sessions too.

          It was located in the family room where everyone was. They were monitored quite consistently. If they asked for more time, their dad would look and see not only what they were doing at that time, but also what they had been doing prior to it.

          Sometimes they were allowed more time and sometimes not.

          Either way, parents need to get back to strict discipline like this dad showed but make sure that their lives are sprinkled with praise, encouragement, love, quality one on one time, and some fun too.

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            @ Kay

            Well said!

            We had a schedule set up on the home PC and not only did the kids have a scheduled time to be on the computer, but timed sessions too.

            It was located in the family room where everyone was. They were monitored quite consistently. If they asked for more time, their dad would look and see not only what they were doing at that time, but also what they had been doing prior to it.

            Sometimes they were allowed more time and sometimes not.

            Either way, parents need to get back to strict discipline like this dad showed but make sure that their lives are sprinkled with praise, encouragement, love, quality one on one time, and some fun too.

            Terra
            My step daughter (16) has her own laptop, but she knows my capabilities in finding stuff if I want. Plus, we have access to all of her accounts (unless she's hiding something, which I doubt).

            Even her phone - since it is under my account, she is convinced that not only can I see who she's texting (which is what she does 97% of the time on the phone as opposed to talking), I also have her convinced that I can actually read the texts she sends and receives if I wanted to. I can't of course... but she doesn't need to know that
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              My step daughter (16) has her own laptop, but she knows my capabilities in finding stuff if I want. Plus, we have access to all of her accounts (unless she's hiding something, which I doubt).

              Even her phone - since it is under my account, she is convinced that not only can I see who she's texting (which is what she does 97% of the time on the phone as opposed to talking), I also have her convinced that I can actually read the texts she sends and receives if I wanted to. I can't of course... but she doesn't need to know that
              Haha, I love it!

              Back before we had all of these electronic devices, I couldn't do anything without my parents knowing it.

              I always asked them how they knew and they would always say, "A little birdie told me."

              I soon discovered that our quaint little close knit subdivision nestled up against the lake was really like a Purple Martin's birdhouse with every living quarter containing a "birdie", lol!

              I guess that was back in the day when people still lived by "it takes a village to raise a child."

              Privacy settings weren't an option, haha!

              Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Terra,People forget... Dads were the same age at one point. They know what's going on. My Dad didn't need a gun, though. My sister has four brothers, and we were scary enough.

        Steve,I wondered who'd catch the reference.

        Sal,Did you listen through to the point where he listed her actual "chores?" A whopping great 15 minutes, on a bad day. "Enslaved?"

        Wow. Just... wow.

        Think for a moment about how the young lady set that up. She addressed it to her father, but made it viewable to everyone BUT her family. That was worse than disrespectful, Sal. That was deliberately destructive.

        If there's anything I like less than premeditated stupidity and casual rudeness, it's malicious destruction.

        I think Dad's answer was exactly the right response.


        Paul
        I agree it was excessively stupid for her to go online. But I've seen over-achieving daddy's and what they expect from kids. I had friends who never got to do anything because of parents who thought they were giving the kids "a few chores". They worked from the time they got home from school til they went to bed and nothing was ever enough. Those are the kids that went through my mind when I read this one. So if dad is being honest, then my perspective on the issue changes - if she is being honest, I stand by what I said.

        I have an ex whose sister ran a daycare out of her home. She grounded her kids every chance she got for any excuse she could find just so they would have to stay home and do HER job. Parent's aren't always the ones who are right. Some kids just stink, but so do some adults. I'm not in favor of the way the guy handled the situation either way. Had my father ever done that to me, we'd still not be speaking -- but then again, I'd have never have pulled a stunt like that either. She deserved some serious consequences for that one. I just would have handled it a lot differently.

        In the long run it doesn't matter what the hell I think. What matters is that the two of them can interact without major trauma.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          But I've seen over-achieving daddy's and what they expect from kids. <snip>
          I have no idea if he's an over achieving daddy himself, but I know what you mean. I believe in providing the means for a children to become themselves rather than trying to forcefully mold them into something.
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            I believe in providing the means for a children to become themselves rather than trying to forcefully mold them into something.
            But many people now days don't know how to properly provide that means. There's a difference between letting a child grow into their own personality, and simply not providing them boundaries and discipline. You can still let a child be his/her own person and STILL provide them with boundaries and discipline.

            And in reality it's those that grew up without proper boundaries that end up confused about who they are and how to get what they really want. Because they are eventually thrust into a world where rules and boundaries actually mean consequences. And they don't know how to properly deal with that.
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            • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              But many people now days don't know how to properly provide that means. There's a difference between letting a child grow into their own personality, and simply not providing them boundaries and discipline. You can still let a child be his/her own person and STILL provide them with boundaries and discipline.
              I agree. "Lord of the Flies" style parenting is not a good idea, lol. Providing them with boundaries and discipline is part of providing the means for them to become themselves.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              But many people now days don't know how to properly provide that means. There's a difference between letting a child grow into their own personality, and simply not providing them boundaries and discipline. You can still let a child be his/her own person and STILL provide them with boundaries and discipline.

              And in reality it's those that grew up without proper boundaries that end up confused about who they are and how to get what they really want. Because they are eventually thrust into a world where rules and boundaries actually mean consequences. And they don't know how to properly deal with that.

              I agree Gary!

              Sometimes I compare raising a child to growing a flowering bush from a seed.

              You plant the seed in the best environment for growth, you water it, feed it and smile as it begins to grow. You shower it with love and eventually you take pride in the bush as it shows signs of maturing as it spreads out it branches, but sometimes that growth gets crazy and you have to prune it back. If you don't, it will eventually grow wild, will never produce and be found undesirable!

              Sure pruning may hurt, but it is necessary and essential for proper growth.

              Okay, simple analogy, I know, but I think it makes some valid points.

              Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Terra - I was having fun trying to picture you being the parent in the film. "Soccer mom goes postal". LMAO. Not sure what happened to you, girl - - but I'll never understand how we could grow up in the same place and you managed not to get one tad of redneck in you. That's just not normal.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Bwaa Haaa forces itself out of my mouth along with my coffee!

      Thanks girlfriend! :p

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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Terra - I was having fun trying to picture you being the parent in the film. "Soccer mom goes postal". LMAO. Not sure what happened to you, girl - - but I'll never understand how we could grow up in the same place and you managed not to get one tad of redneck in you. That's just not normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I started working after school at age 13, and wouldn't trade that time for anything. It prepared me for real life. While my friends struggled trying to work and do college at the same time, it was already an easy part of my routine. Plus it taught me a certain respect for other working people, that most teenagers don't have at all.

    I think I may have actually had more fun than most of my friends in the college years, because I wasn't so stressed about working after school.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yoseff
    I think all kids need a job at 15 - 16. Nothing crazy but working at the mall or a grocery store 10- 15 hours a weeks lets them have extra money to blow with their friends, teaches responsibility and work ethic, and helps show the true "value" of money (aka it doesn't grow on trees). My parents provided above and beyond what I "needed" but for what I "wanted" I had to work, in high school and college.

    Shooting the laptop may have been a bit extream (I would have sold it, or dontated it to goodwill or something) but either way, I agree she needs to have some stiff consequences for her actions and his video will prove his point.

    I'm a firm beleiver in the punishment should fit the crime (a problem with our society, but thats another topic), if she embarrassed her family with a online post, she should be embarrassed by one. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime, and if she can't deal with that she has bigger issues than just missing out on video chat each night with her friends.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    I had my first job at 10 (paper route) and have always did some type of job growing up. I too think it's helped my work ethic.

    But that may not be the right answer for everyone. Also, there's more than one work ethic...

    My 16 year old step daughter does not have a job during the school year (except some babysitting). She is a junior and gets pretty much straight A's, and is on the honor roll. My wife and I consider that her #1 job. But she also takes it seriously. She "works" every night - not just doing her homework, but doing it very well, going the extra mile. And her SATs are in June, yet she has been studying since after the holidays (most every night). She also does the extra cirricular stuff that's important for college. In fact, she has her college plan all laid out.

    In the summer, she finds a job. This is what works for her. Nothing wrong with her work ethic. AND, she has a boyfriend and a ton of friends (a social life, in other words).

    She'll do well. She's on the right path.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      I had my first job at 10 (paper route) and have always did some type of job growing up. I too think it's helped my work ethic.

      But that may not be the right answer for everyone. Also, there's more than one work ethic...

      My 16 year old step daughter does not have a job during the school year (except some babysitting). She is a junior and gets pretty much straight A's, and is on the honor roll. My wife and I consider that her #1 job. But she also takes it seriously. She "works" every night - not just doing her homework, but doing it very well, going the extra mile. And her SATs are in June, yet she has been studying since after the holidays (most every night). She also does the extra cirricular stuff that's important for college. In fact, she has her college plan all laid out.

      In the summer, she finds a job. This is what works for her. Nothing wrong with her work ethic. AND, she has a boyfriend and a ton of friends (a social life, in other words).

      She'll do well. She's on the right path.
      I too worked for special things I wanted, however not not in the work force. My parents would find extra large projects for me to do if I wanted a high ticket item over and beyond what my allowance would cover.

      I also learned the value of a dollar with my allowance. For instance, if I went and bought a bunch of candy and snacks from the small party store at the end of our road, then told Dad that I wanted a new album, then he'd say, what about your allowance? If I told him it was gone, he'd say sorry to hear that. Perhaps you should have thought about the album before you blew your allowance. If I still had my allowance, but was a little short, he'd give me the difference.

      I participated in sports all through out school and during the summer, which also helped me develop discipline and responsibility.

      So, as I said, there are other ways to teach children work ethics and the value of a dollar. I'm not saying one is right over the other, I'm just saying there is more than one way.

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    Harsh dad.
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  • Profile picture of the author bailbondsguys
    Awesome, haha. Kids these days are spoiled. I grew up in a military family and we were told to do things we believed were pointless all the time, however we still did them. Why? Because it's the chain of command.
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  • Profile picture of the author InWait
    I kind of remember those years. Claims of feeling like a slave, fighting over who was going to do what chores, thinking I knew better at times. But I would have never dared to talk to/about my parents that way. Even my little sister who's more disrespectful than I ever was isn't that bad (though I sometimes feel like bopping her over the head or something).

    The girl is a typical teen who needed a reality check. Sometimes kids need a little bit of a shock. Just hopefully the father is able to do some kind of follow up to his tough love approach so they don't end up with a permanent wedge in between them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I certainly don't think it has done much for the father/daughter relationship. Right now, I'm sure she absolutely HATES her Dad!

    I never had a job until I was 17 but...... back in my days we didn't have XBox's, Laptops, Playstations and all the other stuff that kids have these days. My oldest boy is 14 and has an Xbox and constantly wants new games or new upgrades or new controllers, etc. and of course, expects us to pay for it all. So although I never had a job until I was 17, I am happy for my 14 year old to get himself a job after school if he wants to buy all this stuff. I didn't have as many 'wants' as him at that age but kids these days want everything.

    I certainly wouldn't expect him to get a job to earn his food or rent at his age, but I think it is good for them to get a job if they want all these games, etc that kids want these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      I certainly don't think it has done much for the father/daughter relationship. Right now, I'm sure she absolutely HATES her Dad!

      I never had a job until I was 17 but...... back in my days we didn't have XBox's, Laptops, Playstations and all the other stuff that kids have these days. My oldest boy is 14 and has an Xbox and constantly wants new games or new upgrades or new controllers, etc. and of course, expects us to pay for it all. So although I never had a job until I was 17, I am happy for my 14 year old to get himself a job after school if he wants to buy all this stuff. I didn't have as many 'wants' as him at that age but kids these days want everything.

      I certainly wouldn't expect him to get a job to earn his food or rent at his age, but I think it is good for them to get a job if they want all these games, etc that kids want these days.

      Actually, you should go to his FB page and read some updates According to him they've already talked it through, and she read many of the responses and shakes her head and has said it seemed to affect many of the people commenting more than it affected her. She got a kick out of the ones who said she was gonna go be a stripper due to the emotional turmoil this MUST have caused...

      And the whole "go get a job" thing was him saying from now on if you want stuff, get a job and get it yourself.

      Interesting indeed. Unorthodox, but I liked it. I have 4 kids aged 23, 21, 16 and 8 and have come up with creative punishments before... just not quite as creative as his - LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        @ Dave and Paul,

        Come to think of it, looking back, the few guys that didn't hightail it and run turned out to be decent upstanding guys, but a lot of the ones who ran ended up being hooligans, trouble makers or did some jail time.

        I think you Dads may be on to something!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    He OBVIOUSLY didn't care about her getting a job! He wanted her to be decent and respectful! When THAT didn't work, he wanted her to try to at least act decent and have a LITTLE respect. After that, he said "OK, GET A JOB"! So it was THREE strikes and she was out! The job was NOT to make money, but to get an idea of what it is like. HEY, ever see maid to order? Maid to Order (1987) - IMDb That is a PERFECT example!

    This guys daughter was a spoiled brat and spreading it like so much CANCER! And TL? HOW do you KNOW they were comfortable? WHAT, because he spent $9 on bullets? That is about the price of a cheap dinner at a restaurant.

    What OTHER choice did he have? Keeping it would be a chance for her to get it back, and not have the punch. ANY other thing requires SOME kind of preping. REMEMBER, he said he was in IT, so he won't just sell this or give it away. He would have to wipe the drive, reformat, and reinstall the O/S. And for WHAT? To get maybe $.30 on the dollar, IF he is lucky? So it could effectively cost him as much in time as he would get back, and WHY? OH, and he said her MOTHER wanted a bullet ALSO, so they discussed it and she APLAUDED the idea!

    I wonder if there is a backup. I wonder how much this REALLY hurt her! It might be MONTHS before she feels the FULL impact!

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    A little perspective?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think more parents should be like that Dad and KNOW what their kids are doing - most don't. Dad is teaching her there are consequences for things you do. He's not worried about a relationship of friend or buddy - he's being a parent.

      He's in IT so probably has home computers that can be used for homework, etc - placed in areas where parents can see what site their daughter is on.

      I think many times kids are allowed to be brats until they hit their teens and it's no longer funny or cute. Then it takes a lot more effort to get through to them. A few bullets might do the trick.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think more parents should be like that Dad and KNOW what their kids are doing - most don't. Dad is teaching her there are consequences for things you do. He's not worried about a relationship of friend or buddy - he's being a parent.

        He's in IT so probably has home computers that can be used for homework, etc - placed in areas where parents can see what site their daughter is on.

        I think many times kids are allowed to be brats until they hit their teens and it's no longer funny or cute. Then it takes a lot more effort to get through to them. A few bullets might do the trick.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          @Kim - Yep - and I definitely agree.

          Some adversity and responsibility would do that girl a world of good.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Steve,

            Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."

            I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:

            "Long Haired Country Boy," by Charlie Daniels
            "Family Tradition," by Hank Junior.
            "Still in Saigon," by Charlie Daniels
            "A Country Boy Can Survive," by Hank Junior

            And, of course, anything by Chris Ledoux or Chris Young...

            "Tomorrow..."


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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Steve,

              Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."

              I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:

              "Long Haired Country Boy," by Charlie Daniels
              "Family Tradition," by Hank Junior.
              "Still in Saigon," by Charlie Daniels
              "A Country Boy Can Survive," by Hank Junior

              And, of course, anything by Chris Ledoux or Chris Young...

              "Tomorrow..."


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              Yeah, I DID know about that. I also heard "who are you when I'm not looking?". There is also the one that has the lyrics "Because they're songs about me.....and WHO I am....". That is a story about a singer that tries to tell a stranger about why he is in country music. It ends up with the stranger, that first said basically "FORGET IT", but listened to the singer, saying he likes it "Because they're songs about me.....and WHO I am....".

              You know me.....I will sometimes try to promote a tangential thing, or at least expose people to the better stuff. I once gave a woman a mix tape of german popsongs just to show her it WASN'T ugly, etc... Too bad she never bothered to listen to it. 8-(

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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Steve,

              Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."

              I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:

              "Long Haired Country Boy," by Charlie Daniels

              "Family Tradition," by Hank Junior.
              "Still in Saigon," by Charlie Daniels
              "A Country Boy Can Survive," by Hank Junior


              And, of course, anything by Chris Ledoux or Chris Young...

              "Tomorrow..."


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              Here's a scary thought for you Paul.
              They would all be my choices also
              I'd add "Tear in my Beer" by Hank Sr.
              Especially this version.
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          Wow!..video is getting more and more popular..minute by minute..
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    I remember my very first real date after getting my very car ('64 Ford Galaxie)....

    When I showed up her Dad answered the door and referred to me as "Whistlebritches" and took me to the dining room table to lay down the rules...and he WAS cleaning a pistol.

    She got home EARLY!
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

      I remember my very first real date after getting my very car ('64 Ford Galaxie)....

      When I showed up her Dad answered the door and referred to me as "Whistlebritches" and took me to the dining room table to lay down the rules...and he WAS cleaning a pistol.

      She got home EARLY!
      It apparently works, lol!

      Kudos to dads everywhere who love and protect their daughters!

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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        It apparently works, lol!

        Kudos to dads everywhere who love and protect their daughters!

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  • Profile picture of the author ekfaysal
    thats sad. life without facebook was the perfect life
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by ekfaysal View Post

      thats sad. life without facebook was the perfect life
      So was a life without cell phones. Now people convince themselves they absolutely CAN'T live without one... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author JForsberg
    This was a great laugh. Yea, I know, it's not cool to laugh at other peoples expense.. but she did had it coming. I was 13 when I got my first job, and my dad got it for me so I wouldn't sit on my rear end all day playing World of Warcraft.

    He was a bit harsh on shooting the pc, and I agree with the lad who said he should sell it. A 130$ program adds up to the final price. Considering that her dad most likely pay all rents and stuff, it wasn't any fair saying she should get payed to fix her own stuff.
    She should be happy about what she got, and leave it there.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by JForsberg View Post

      This was a great laugh. Yea, I know, it's not cool to laugh at other peoples expense.. but she did had it coming. I was 13 when I got my first job, and my dad got it for me so I wouldn't sit on my rear end all day playing World of Warcraft.

      He was a bit harsh on shooting the pc, and I agree with the lad who said he should sell it. A 130$ program adds up to the final price. Considering that her dad most likely pay all rents and stuff, it wasn't any fair saying she should get payed to fix her own stuff.
      She should be happy about what she got, and leave it there.
      A $130 program, unless POPULAR, generally adds NOTHING to the price. It adds to the COST! So it is another reason to NOT sell. The father DID say that he wants his daughter to pay him $139!!!! $130 for the software he installed, that she likely could never use. $9 for the bullets used to destroy the computer.

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      • Profile picture of the author msudawgs56
        Love this!!!!!!! I teach 15 yr olds all day and this sounds like them!! Good going dad!
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Wow Steve!

      I always say my music tastes are eclectic too.

      I do listen to a little Country here and there.

      I especially like the first song you posted as it reminds me of my most favorite Country song. It has a story of course!

      Long story short...

      For Christmas 2007, my dad gave me a single country song CD that he had burned. I thought he was joking as he knew I didn't like country and just put it in the CD holder with the rest of our collection.

      He passed just shy of two months later unexpectedly from complications of a really bad slip and fall.

      When we left the hospital devastated and returned home, I went and got out that CD. Inside the case was a note saying, "Every time I hear this, I get teary eyed as I think of it as our life story, I Love You, Dad."

      I listened to it and it's been my favorite ever since! It's almost as if he knew deep down, his time was short.

      The song?


      As I said before,

      Thanks for the fond memories!

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Wow Steve!

        I always say my music tastes are eclectic too.

        I do listen to a little Country here and there.

        I especially like the first song you posted as it reminds me of my most favorite Country song. It has a story of course!

        Long story short...

        For Christmas 2007, my dad gave me a single country song CD that he had burned. I thought he was joking as he knew I didn't like country and just put it in the CD holder with the rest of our collection.

        He passed just shy of two months later unexpectedly from complications of a really bad slip and fall.

        When we left the hospital devastated and returned home, I went and got out that CD. Inside the case was a note saying, "Every time I hear this, I get teary eyed as I think of it as our life story, I Love You, Dad."

        I listened to it and it's been my favorite ever since! It's almost as if he knew deep down, his time was short.

        The song?


        As I said before,

        Thanks for the fond memories!

        Terra
        It's a shame that song sounds a bit sexist. Frankly, I wouldn't care if I had a girl or a boy.
        But it resolves well at least.

        Yeah, I was not crazy about my mother coming here, but I can't help but think that maybe the timing is because SHE knew. Of course, she probably DID know about the alzheimers earlier.

        No offense, but many women have this way of arguing, convincing, and blaming, and if you don't understand the goal, it COULD concievably look like alzheimers. Of course, at other times, those SAME women seem as lucid as anyone else! So what **I** thought was a pretense methodology, that my mother INTENTIONALLY employed, may have been symptoms of alzheimers. The failure to aknowledge mistakes she made, or statements I made that were contrary to what she wanted, or old habits/preferences I have that she doesn't like, or refusals to do what she wanted, may have been due to her MEMORY.

        She had problems going the wrong way on streets, and she said it was night vision. I figured it was eyesight and carelessness. I found one list that actually has PRECISELY that symptom as a symptom for alzheimers!!!!!

        I WAS shocked at the specificity of her understanding of icons, etc... and refusal to acknowledge certain accomplishments, etc.... over the past decade or so. I always chalked it up to a common malady that existed in the late 70s and up for as long as I could adequately track it. I decided to call it technophobia. I don't think I EVER heard the term before that. I called it techophobia simply because it fit so well. Some people tended to act like idiots around technical devices NOT because they WERE idiots but because they felt SO intimidated that they were unwilling to even TRY to learn. Some even bought lower quality and higher price gadgets SIMPLY because they were simpler.

        BTW advancements up to the 70s generally SIMPLIFIED operation and seemed minor. At THIS point, kids are BROUGHT UP with it, and there was never an option. Take an amish adult of 20+ and expose them to stuff of today, and you may see the SAME effect, although THEY are brought up to endure, and work through problems.

        If I ever wanted a few extra bucks, I could just go to someone and help them hook up their stereo, get a computer up(if they were daring), or even set their VCR clock and timer! If I told anyone I worked with computers, they were incredulous, or said I must REALLY be great at math. There was a myth that you had to be VERY good at math to work with computers. They ALSO thought I must have played a lot of computer games, etc... Kind of a DUMB myth, but OH WELL...

        Anyway, I set my mother up on about 4 FREE internet services. One she even used several times to send me Emails! But she later asked if I knew of ANY free one that worked. I had to shrug my shoulders, say they all worked the same basic way, and I didn't know of any others I could even try. Of course flying there, installing it, correcting problems, and training her was no longer worth it.

        But, after almost 10 years, she decided to "be near me, in another state"? YEAH, I KNOW! I make alzheimers sound SO obvious now! But she WAS, at times, very lucid, and this IS over 10 years of observation.

        BTW those technophobes are responsible for creating the myth that many kids, and younger adults, believe today, that people in my father's generation, and generation X, really don't understand technology, and never could. Ironically, THEY are often isolated from a lot of technology, and may stumble with problems that may be OBVIOUS to people like me or my father.

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    If the girl is smart, she'll find a way to leverage this into some TV appearances and maybe even a book or reality TV show!
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    That sound VERY familiar - and he just gave me some GOOD IDEAS
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Sorry, but I don't think "put a bullet in it" is the answer to very many problems, especially this one.

    Instead, Mr. IT expert should have wiped the hard drive clean, reinstalled windows.

    Then taken his daughter to the nearest children's hospital and have her:

    1. Donate the laptop to either a kid in need or the hospital itself.

    2. Have her spend the next 10 Saturdays "volunteering" to work with the kids at the children's hospital.

    I believe spending time with some terminally ill or very sick kids about her age would have taught her a lot more about life's expectations and entitlements than her dad playing Clint Eastwood with her PC.
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      I love that dad (No Homo!)
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Sorry, but I don't think "put a bullet in it" is the answer to very many problems, especially this one.
      One of the many misconceptions many non-Americans have about Americans is that "they're all gun nuts". This guy is not going to do anything at all to dispel that misconception.
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        One of the many misconceptions many non-Americans have about Americans is that "they're all gun nuts". This guy is not going to do anything at all to dispel that misconception.
        Exactly, I can also imagine that this would happen to her later that evening

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          Exactly, I can also imagine that this would happen to her later that evening

          YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
          The girl that had her laptop shot never even MENTIONED abuse. She was upset because he wanted her to do a few chores, some of which were to cover her OWN area! HE was upset because she showed him NO respect, bad mouthed him to her friends, and considered him and help he had as HER SERVANTS! ALSO, her MOTHER apparently asked him to do something. The fact that the daughter was using HIS property to do this was just TOO MUCH! So he DESTROYED his own property!

          I doubt that many fathers go to the extremes of that texas guy. In many hospitals, care areas, etc... here they will ask if you feel safe at home. If you say NO, they will probe deeper and could get someone thrown in jail. If you have a bruise that seems suspicious or doesn't have a reasonable excuse, they may report it! If that judge creates substantial bruises around the back of her knee, for example, he could be a dead duck! It could be hard to explain how they came to be.

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        • Profile picture of the author KimW
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          Exactly, I can also imagine that this would happen to her later that evening

          YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
          Derek, I usually agree with you but I think you are way off bae with this one. It has even been pointed out in one of the several threads people have posted in the forum that she is amazed at the reaction it has been getting. Seems to me the lesson may have actually hit home and ended then and there.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche. No wonder his daughter is pissed.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche.
      I WONDER......

      No wonder his daughter is pissed.
      GEE, maybe THAT is why!

      Kurt,

      Your idea about donation is nice, but a lot of work, doesn't get the coverage, and she may not do it. There are some things that make the loss very worth it.

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Your idea about donation is nice, but a lot of work, doesn't get the coverage, and she may not do it. There are some things that make the loss very worth it.

        Steve
        Yep...Doing the right thing is often work. And if she didn't do her volunteer work, she'd be grounded/room-bound without phone or tv until she did.

        And who cares about coverage? Dad says that isn't why he did it.
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yep...Doing the right thing is often work. And if she didn't do her volunteer work, she'd be grounded/room-bound without phone or tv until she did.

          And who cares about coverage? Dad says that isn't why he did it.
          He DID talk about letting her friends know, etc...
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      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche. No wonder his daughter is pissed.
      This is where the forum needs a "dislike" button.
      He stated he was making a point to not only her but her FB friends.
      I think he did a very smart thing. As others besides myself have already noted, she had been warned.She chose to ignore the warning
      g ( read: She thought she was smarter than dear old dad.Well,guess what, she wasn't.)
      Of course the biggest difference between him and me is that I don't own a gun. I probably would have taken a sledgehammer to it instead.
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      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Why would any father in his right mind share his father/daughter problems with the whole, wide world. What a douche. No wonder his daughter is pissed.
      Thats where SHE goes to share HER issues...
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    Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

      Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said.

      I thought the gun play was corny.

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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        One of the many misconceptions many non-Americans have about Americans is "that they're all gun nuts". This guy is not going to do anything at all to dispel that misconception.
        If non Americans have that concept they are way off base about America.

        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said.
        Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue.

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        He DID talk about letting her friends know, etc...
        At least you paid attention Steve, apparently many did not.

        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        I thought the gun play was corny.

        TL
        Yes, TL, you have posted that what, 3 or 4 times in this thread already? We get it :rolleyes:



        And for the record, I among many other posters here, actually applaud the father. The majority of us that do probably have daughters and are actually trying to teach them values.. How many of you that are condemning the man do?
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          If non Americans have that concept they are way off base about America.



          Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue.



          At least you paid attention Steve, apparently many did not.



          Yes, TL, you have posted that what, 3 or 4 times in this thread already? We get it :rolleyes:



          And for the record, I among many other posters here, actually applaud the father. The majority of us that do probably have daughters and are actually trying to teach them values.. How many of you that are condemning the man do?

          LOL!

          Actually, I posted my "corny comment" in the other related thread.

          But I wanted to get it into this one.

          All The Best!!

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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            LOL!

            Actually, I posted my "corny comment" in the other related thread.

            But I wanted to get it into this one.

            All The Best!!

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            My apologies. You only posted it once in this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Paul,
          I freak my friends out with the range of music I listen to, but there are a few songs that just scream at me to play them when I see them on a juke box. They're all country:
          I have one in particular that I have to play when I see it on a jukebox too, and it's Country.

          It's Charlie Daniels "The Devil Went Down To Georgia"

          Country music is about real stories. Real people. Ask any woman who's ever heard Blake Shelton's "Who are you when I'm not looking."
          Exactly, they evoke emotions that people can relate to.

          Ask any copywriter and they will tell you that evoking emotions that people relate to, sells.

          This also is what this father did, however without the intention of selling anyone anything.

          Well, other than selling his daughter on the fact that her unacceptable behavior had consequences.

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            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Paul,
            I have one in particular that I have to play when I see it on a jukebox too, and it's Country.

            It's Charlie Daniels "The Devil Went Down To Georgia"

            Exactly, they evoke emotions that people can relate to.

            Ask any copywriter and they will tell you that evoking emotions that people relate to, sells.

            This also is what this father did, however without the intention of selling anyone anything.

            Well, other than selling his daughter on the fact that her unacceptable behavior had consequences.

            Terra
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              Haha, Mike!

              I can relate to that, shhh! :p

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          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          If non Americans have that concept they are way off base about America.
          As I stated, a misconception.
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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue.
          If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

          No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
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            Jacob,
            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.
            So, having a different cultural background makes the Dad stupid? How is that sort of labeling useful?
            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
            [chuckle] Y'all're new 'round these parts, aincha?


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            • Profile picture of the author Riggs
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Jacob,So, having a different cultural background makes the Dad stupid? How is that sort of labeling useful?[chuckle] Y'all're new 'round these parts, aincha?Paul
              The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously.

              I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings. My dad would beat my ass with the sling of his tripod mounted Browning M1919 if he ever read my WF posts.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
            WOW! FIRST of all, a person with a single digit IQ would likely not even be able to speak, much less do anything else. One COULD assume you were using base 100 in which case a single digit IQ wouldn't necessarily be that bad but THEN you use a redundant slur making the silly meaning clear.

            It was NOT his daughters laptop. It was HIS laptop he let her use as her own.

            He got the idea across to everyone in about the only way possible. Some people may go to facebook only once and see her statements. THIS has gotten coverage.

            It's interesting that you insult people in such a way while making it clear that you believe that such slights should be allowed to fester and that his daughter should get EVERYTHING with no conditions. You would not DARE to do that to the degree that you obviously want him to, and it is not sustainable, so what does that say about YOU?

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            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
            Let it go Kim...
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

            No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.


            Excuse me,

            But anyone who would make such a rude and malicious comment against KimW, a warrior that has been struggling for his life for a very looong time and now finally on the road to recovery, is just...

            Uggh! Never mind, I can't say it as it is against the rules!

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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Jacob,
              The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture
              My point is that the cultural difference is why he chose that route to make his statement. Background has everything to do with how one communicates.

              For example, if my Dad or any of his siblings had done that, it would be disturbing. They grew up in a city, and weren't around guns much, except in the service. For them, guns meant war.

              Either of my grandfathers, or any of my Mom's side of the family, could have done just what that guy did and we'd have taken it as nothing more than a way to make the point. They all lived in the country, and guns were just part of life.


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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

              If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related.

              No offense, but please leave this thread. On fire if possible.
              Try to back paddle all you can but you both insulted a man that was raising hid dauter him way,which,at least here in America we still have a little imput into how they are raised,calling him a single digit IQ was insulting and unneeded.
              In addition,you intentionally insulted me. If I was a lesser man you'd have an infraction right now.


              Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

              Let it go Kim...
              Dave, you are probably right, I should just let the guy hang himself even more.

              Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

              The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously.

              I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings. My dad would beat my ass with the sling of his tripod mounted Browning M1919 if he ever read my WF posts.
              More back peddling. It was not a joke nor was it not directed at any individual,it was very blatantly directed at the father. Nuff said.

              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post



              Excuse me,

              But anyone who would make such a rude and malicious comment against KimW, a warrior that has been struggling for his life for a very looong time and now finally on the road to recovery, is just...

              Uggh! Never mind, I can't say it as it is against the rules!

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              Terra,
              Thank you. Contrary to what Riggs thinks, he has very little insight into this, IMO I have raised 4 daughters and am now raising 2 grandaughters and two grandsons. I hvae a fairly long life of experience behind me,some stuff I tried worked,some didn't,but I do have for the most part raised fine children.

              As far as the insult tossed at me by that poster, I've been insulted by better men. Love you all.
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              • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                It was not a joke nor was it not directed at any individual,it was very blatantly directed at the father. Nuff said.
                By definition, the meaning of the word culture and the meaning of the word individual differ greatly.


                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                Contrary to what Riggs thinks, he has very little insight into this, IMO I have raised 4 daughters and am now raising 2 grandaughters and two grandsons. I hvae a fairly long life of experience behind me,some stuff I tried worked,some didn't,but I do have for the most part raised fine children.
                That's a fairly naive comment to make considering you know nothing of my extensive fatherhood experience. So let me now jump on your dignified bandwagon of honesty...

                Contrary to what you think, I've actually got 15 children, all with different mothers and all from different cultural backgrounds. My children, and their children's children, and their children's grandchildren's children's grandchildren are all currently very successful in the IM industry. Without prejudice, likely more so than yourself.

                Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me.
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                  Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

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                  Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me.
                  Say what?! Where did that come from? KimW is a good guy. It is possible to differ in opinions in a cordial manner.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                    Say what?! Where did that come from? KimW is a good guy. It is possible to differ in opinions in a cordial manner.
                    Relax, it was a joke referencing the end of the video the discussion in this thread pertains to. I know he's a good guy, lol. :p
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                  Contrary to what you think, I've actually got 15 children, all with different mothers and all from different cultural backgrounds. My children, and their children's children, and their children's grandchildren's children's grandchildren are all currently very successful in the IM industry. Without prejudice, likely more so than yourself.
                  There comes a point where number, diversity, and success DETRACT from things. CONGRATS! You managed ALL THREE! Kids with FIFTEEN WOMEN? WOW, what a catch you must be! I don't know HOW you can raise 15 kids in such a way, unless you are a Mormon style polygamist, all in ONE home! YIKES! Or did the mothers all abandon them? And MAN must you be OLD! I'm bad at figuring this out, but how old must you be? Assuming an average puberty age of 12, and near recordholder stats, you must be over like 60 years old.

                  children....12/22
                  grandchildren....24/44
                  greatgrandchildren....36/66
                  they have children....48/88 (children)
                  they have children....60/110 (grand children)

                  The first number is about the youngest consistant age. The second number is an average I came up with in a survey of a few hundred people over a couple decades. Oh well, realistically, either set is probably LOW!

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                  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                    There comes a point where number, diversity, and success DETRACT from things. CONGRATS! You managed ALL THREE! Kids with FIFTEEN WOMEN? WOW, what a catch you must be! I don't know HOW you can raise 15 kids in such a way, unless you are a Mormon style polygamist, all in ONE home! YIKES! Or did the mothers all abandon them? And MAN must you be OLD! I'm bad at figuring this out, but how old must you be? Assuming an average puberty age of 12, and near recordholder stats, you must be over like 60 years old.

                    children....12/22
                    grandchildren....24/44
                    greatgrandchildren....36/66
                    they have children....48/88 (children)
                    they have children....60/110 (grand children)

                    The first number is about the youngest consistant age. The second number is an average I came up with in a survey of a few hundred people over a couple decades. Oh well, realistically, either set is probably LOW!

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                    ARE YOU SERIOUS. Did you really just take that post seriously.

                    Oh my god.

                    Oh...

                    my...

                    god.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Jacob,

                      There are many quirks in this part of the forum that you don't know about. For instance, if you'd said in main discussion what you said to Kim upthread, you'd have been unceremoniously spanked for it. Here, you get the full ceremonial spanking.

                      Another: You cannot use numbers in a discussion that involves Steve unless you mean them. Steve has an interesting reaction to numbers: He takes them literally. And he runs with them, which can sometimes yield surprisingly useful ideas. Of course, it can also create the occasional facepalm moment, but those aren't unusual hereabouts.

                      One of our quirks isn't unique to offtopic: When you're new and insult one of the regulars (deliberately or through carelessness), you set up roadblocks you have to get past before people decide you're not really a jerk. Until that point, everything you say will be tainted in their minds.

                      That's life in the fast food lane.


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                      • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                        Jacob,

                        There are many quirks in this part of the forum that you don't know about. For instance, if you'd said in main discussion what you said to Kim upthread, you'd have been unceremoniously spanked for it. Here, you get the full ceremonial spanking.

                        Another: You cannot use numbers in a discussion that involves Steve unless you mean them. Steve has an interesting reaction to numbers: He takes them literally. And he runs with them, which can sometimes yield surprisingly useful ideas. Of course, it can also create the occasional facepalm moment, but those aren't unusual hereabouts.

                        One of our quirks isn't unique to offtopic: When you're new and insult one of the regulars (deliberately or through carelessness), you set up roadblocks you have to get past before people decide you're not really a jerk. Until that point, everything you say will be tainted in their minds.

                        That's life in the fast food lane.


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                        Thanks for the informative information Paul. Everything I've posted (par my very first reply) has only been in the spirit of good fun. Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
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                        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                          Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                          Thanks for the informative information Paul. Everything I've posted (par my very first reply) has only been in the spirit of good fun. Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
                          Not usually in discussions that are of the more serious nature (such as this one). But there's a wonderful sense of humor if the topic is fitting.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Jacob,
                          Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
                          You just keep digging.

                          The folks around here can take (and give) as good a ribbing as any crowd I've seen online outside an OG list I'm on. (Original geeksters. Average time on the net is probably around 20 years. It's the one place online where I still feel like a newbie.)

                          Only a few of us play the college bar crowd humor, though. And even that is best reserved for friends who know you well. To the rest of the world, what you're calling humor is just being rude.

                          An interesting side note: The average age in this forum is significantly higher than in almost any other IM forum I know of. Big chunks of the crowd here are between forty and sixty. That might help you understand the responses you're getting...


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                          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                            Jacob,You just keep digging.
                            Only a few of us play the college bar crowd humor, though. And even that is best reserved for friends who know you well. To the rest of the world, what you're calling humor is just being rude.
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                            Well said, Paul!

                            I was just going to say that a couple of times Jacob said he was just kidding or joking, but after diligently trying to find humor in his statements, to determine if he were sincere, I just couldn't. Actually, I wouldn't find his attempts at humor funny in a bar, either.

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                    • Profile picture of the author KimW
                      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                      ARE YOU SERIOUS. Did you really just take that post seriously.

                      Oh my god.

                      Oh...

                      my...

                      god.


                      So, you really just posted that to throw another insult at me? GG!
                      By the way, thought you were out of this thread?
                      I quote you:
                      "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me."

                      But let me correct that for you.

                      "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the beaten man. Preferably before you pull a .45 on me."

                      I am a very easy going man. I have not knowingly insulted you that I am aware of except to say you don't have a clue,which by the way you keep proving over and over again.

                      You on the other hand seem to not able to make a post without throwing an insult and a dig at me.

                      Here, let me look at something:

                      From your profile:
                      "Riggs has not made any friends yet"

                      Surprise surprise.

                      And this response to Paul:
                      "Thanks for the informative information Paul. Everything I've posted (par my very first reply) has only been in the spirit of good fun. Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter"

                      "Blatant BS"
                      Just another attempt at back pedaling.

                      Here in Off Topic we know and understand mutual banter,and we know and understand insulting,and you have continually insulted me.,then backpedaled,then insulted me again.
                      Enough is enough.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                        "Blatant BS"
                        Just another attempt at back pedaling.

                        Here in Off Topic we know and understand mutual banter,and we know and understand insulting,and you have continually insulted me.,then backpedaled,then insulted me again.
                        Enough is enough.
                        I really don't know what your problem is, the only sarcastic insult directed towards you (which preceded an "if" statement) was the comment I made saying "your parents are probably related". Following your immediate and obvious misunderstanding, I respectfully attempted to calm the water as your taking of offense was not my intention. You might call it "backpeddling", but where I'm from such actions are commonly accepted as respectfully attempting to amend a dispute between two parties, and thus progress a relationship in a positive direction, as opposed to backwards.

                        But I really think you need to climb off your high horse and face the fact that I'm not the only person in this thread to disagree with your way of thinking. You might have a few of "the regulars" jumping on the bandwagon to fight your corner now, but understand that no friends list in any text-based community will ever make your point of view righter than anyone else's.
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                        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                          Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                          I really don't know what your problem is, the only insult directed towards you (which preceded an "if" statement) was the comment I made saying "your parents are probably related". Following your immediate and obvious misunderstanding, I respectfully attempted to calm the water as your taking of offense was not my intention.

                          But I really think you need to climb off your high horse and face the fact that I'm not the only person in this thread to disagree with your way of thinking. You might have a few of "the regulars" jumping on the bandwagon to fight your corner now, but understand that no friends list in any text-based community will ever make your point of view righter than anyone else's.
                          <SIGH>

                          Jacob, you just don't get it, do you?

                          If I were in your position, I'd quietly slink away from this thread with this thought, it is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

                          I'm sorry if you feel picked on, but man, you need to step back and think a minute, then look at what you've said in a different perspective.

                          If the majority sees your comments as rude, maybe they're on to something?

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                          • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            <SIGH>

                            Jacob, you just don't get it, do you?

                            If I were in your position, I'd quietly slink away from this thread with this thought, it is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

                            I'm sorry if you feel picked on, but man, you need to step back and think a minute, then look at what you've said in a different perspective.

                            If the majority sees your comments as rude, maybe they're on to something?

                            Terra
                            Terra,

                            I appreciate your sympathy, but I am capable of defending myself and my corner does not require your company nor counsel. Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons.

                            You might choose to "quietly slink away" as "a fool", but I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches.
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                            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                              Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                              Terra,

                              I appreciate your sympathy, but I am capable of defending myself and my corner does not require your company nor counsel. Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons.

                              You might choose to "quietly slink away" as "a fool", but I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches.
                              Thank you for proving my point!

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                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            it is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than to open your mouth and prove it.
                            I've never seen that Mark Twain Quote proven out so quickly... lol
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Jacob,
                          But I really think you need to climb off your high horse and face the fact that I'm not the only person in this thread to disagree with your way of thinking.
                          Ummm... Kim has never, as far as I've seen, taken civil disagreement in anything but a reasonable spirit.

                          The key word in that sentence is 'civil.'

                          Terra,
                          Actually, I wouldn't find his attempts at humor funny in a bar, either.
                          You'd miss a lot of fun with some of my friends, then.


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                          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


                            Terra,You'd miss a lot of fun with some of my friends, then.


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                            Dang! I'm all about having fun!

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                            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                              Terra,
                              Dang! I'm all about having fun!
                              Oh, we have a blast. Just a bit too rough with the humor for some folks at first. But only with the people we know well and who know it's all really just playing.

                              Jacob,

                              Let's try a different way of looking at the differences in style here. A question for you...

                              How would your father's friends react if you spoke to them the way you've been speaking here?


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                              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                Gary,
                                I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon.
                                Yup.

                                My Mom's family were farmers. Guns were for getting food (hunting), killing the varmints who were destroying the food they were growing, and protection from critters that might be dangerous, or attack their livestock.

                                Not exactly crazed rednecks.


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                                • Profile picture of the author KimW
                                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                                  Gary,Yup.

                                  My Mom's family were farmers. Guns were for getting food (hunting), killing the varmints who were destroying the food they were growing, and protection from critters that might be dangerous, or attack their livestock.

                                  Not exactly crazed rednecks.


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                                  Same here Paul, every summer I went to the country where my grandparents and uncles lived (rural Misssouri) and they were hunters,fishers and giggers.
                                  I will never forget the first time I had to help skin a squirrel or the first time I skinned a gigged frog.

                                  While I never became a hunter for food or sport, I understand those that do.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                    Kim,
                                    While I never became a hunter for food or sport, I understand those that do.
                                    I've got no use for it as a sport, but when it's for food...

                                    I have a simple answer for people who are not strict vegetarians who object to hunting. "Next time you have a cheeseburger, keep in mind that someone had to kill that meal for you."

                                    Vegetarians can stand on honest principle in that discussion. I may not share their choice, but I respect it. Carnivores who object to hunting for food are just hypocrites with queasy stomachs.


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                          • Profile picture of the author KimW
                            And I apologize to all, when I started posting again I had just gotten home from a Drs appointment and all is going well still!
                            I am now going to step away from the keyboard and have a lunch date with my wife.( And let my BP get back to normal )
                            Take care.
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                    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                      ARE YOU SERIOUS. Did you really just take that post seriously.

                      Oh my god.

                      Oh...

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                      god.

                      Whocan say? Some say some ridiculous things! If you WERE "serious" it was a lie, so I decided to poke fun at it. What, you though I thought you had kids by 15 women, cared for all of them, and stayed around till your grandkids had grandkids? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! And the IM is just icing on the cake!

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Frankly, if there was a handbook with universal "good parenting" solutions, no one would have to even worry about whether they did the right thing. They'd just need to consult the book.

    But, that's not the way it works. Some though the guy was over the top, others call him dad of the year. It all comes down to our own core values and beliefs.

    Personally, I applaud his actions in this one respect - he told her after the PREVIOUS time she pulled this same stunt that of she did so again, he'd put a bullet in her laptop. She did it again (only worse). He kept his word. She will never again doubt his word.

    I am not a gun owner, so I don't have that gun culture. If he wasn't a gun owner he may have taken a different approach.

    It is what it is. Right or wrong, I think that depends on your own beliefs.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Frankly, if there was a handbook with universal "good parenting" solutions, no one would have to even worry about whether they did the right thing. They'd just need to consult the book.

      But, that's not the way it works. Some though the guy was over the top, others call him dad of the year. It all comes down to our own core values and beliefs.

      Personally, I applaud his actions in this one respect - he told her after the PREVIOUS time she pulled this same stunt that of she did so again, he'd put a bullet in her laptop. She did it again (only worse). He kept his word. She will never again doubt his word.

      I am not a gun owner, so I don't have that gun culture. If he wasn't a gun owner he may have taken a different approach.

      It is what it is. Right or wrong, I think that depends on your own beliefs.
      You're right! I have a theory, that seems to be 100% correct. It seems that way with ME. Any creature, including people, is born with a certain basic way to handle things. Experiences after that then may change that. So the only way to have some idea of how a person might react is to actually know the person. What the father did could have been laughed off by the daughter, or led her to commit suicide. Anyone that says that disciplining a child can be boiled down to a book is, at best, not thinking.

      I think that a LOT of people that don't believe in guns would do something similar to what kimW said. He said he would use a sledgehammer.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OH BOY! I remeber seeing one where the fidelity was nice AND it was a proper video. 8-( There was one with nice fidelity, but it wasn't official. 8-( OK, Yeah, I like it TOO!


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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

      Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

        Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.
        I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

        As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

        When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

        people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

        And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

        No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

        Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.
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          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

          As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

          When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

          people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

          And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

          No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

          Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.

          Pete, just in case you were not aware of it,the two videos are not related at all, The beating one was by a judge in Texas and last I heard he has been removed from the bench. ( could be wrong though) I don't even know why that second video was introduced into the thread.

          As someone else has already pointed out, NOWHERE did the daughter claim any kind of abuse. Why people continually try to make that leap is beyond me.
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          • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            Pete, just in case you were not aware of it,the two videos are not related at all, The beating one was by a judge in Texas and last I heard he has been removed from the bench. ( could be wrong though) I don't even know why that second video was introduced into the thread.

            As someone else has already pointed out, NOWHERE did the daughter claim any kind of abuse. Why people continually try to make that leap is beyond me.
            Low stress Kim, the first dad, no problems and probably a good call, and I probably ran to deep on seeing that second video, just to close for me and many many bad memories.

            I can still see my little sister being beaten with a wooden paddle, she was so small and helpless, my bothers and I could only watch as she was beaten to a pulp where she could only crawl away after the bloody beating, we were to scared to do anything, our daily beating was only a short way away anyway.

            It still hurts. any way enough dwell and sorry to go off track, just never seen it in video form like that and it hit straight home. sorry
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

          As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

          When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

          people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

          And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

          No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

          Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.
          That is good. But sometimes discipline (NOT physical abuse) is the best way to show and teach the child love. And like Kim said - that second video is no relation to this thread. THAT guy should be whipped.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            That is good. But sometimes discipline (NOT physical abuse) is the best way to show and teach the child love. And like Kim said - that second video is no relation to this thread. THAT guy should be whipped.
            I refused to even watch it personally, and I'm with you and Kim, I see no correlation between it and this thread.

            The first video shows discipline as a form of tough love, from a responsible and caring father, and in no way is related to abuse by a weak, warped individual who can only feel a sense of power through violence directed towards HIS OWN CHILD!

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          I think most can see the guy who shot the lap top as thats life and maybe a good lesson for the girl to get off her backside, but beating a child like that ? in the second video / there is no way anyone can justify treating a person like that.

          As a child i was beaten daily with belts and horse whips, to a point my welts from the beatings bled constantly this happened for years, it came to a point where i could not cry anymore as a child, I no longer feel pain.

          When i was a lot older I rebelled against the constant beating and abuse, and god help anyone i see hurt another child like that.

          people have no idea of the pure fear and how scared you are when this happens.

          And yes since then i have had 2 daughters go through the teenage years, they only know love.

          No one will every justify beating a child like that, I felt all of that girls pain come back like it was yesterday, If i could still cry i would.

          Pussy's like that guy would be a cake walk for me now.
          NOBODY said that the guy whipping her was doing well. In the US, treatment like that can LAND YOU IN JAIL! And they have a built in network of spys to catch such people!

          1. People knowing about it could be tried!
          2. Teachers and schools are to find such things out.
          3. doctors are.
          4. health care workers, INCLUDING school nurses.
          5. etc...

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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

        Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.

        VERY WELL SAID Kay!!
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The disconnect in opinion in this thread is between those who have never raised a teen (so cruel) and those who have (go, dad).

        Living with a rebellious teen is like juggling jello.
        First, your premise isn't 100% correct.

        Second, you'll never convince me destruction is better than donating and that having her spend time with less fortunate kids is a bad thing.

        And if you want to juggle jello, freeze it first.
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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          I think there are two different issues here. The first is whether the girl should do housework and I think there is 100% agreement on this. The second issue is the response to her facebook statement which after all, is not supposed to be known to her parents. Teenagers do write silly things on social networks which they may not fully mean. Still not doing housework and complaining about it is not in the same league as taking drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense.

          The response of the father is troubling on 3 points

          1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
          2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
          3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.

          This video is approaching 20 millions views already. The chances are that this will be picked up by the press and the family outed. This will cause much more humiliation to his daughter. This is exactly the sort of thing that can push a 15 year old girl to suicide. That is assuming that the incident is real and not as ploy to make money through FaceBook.

          The reason I put the second video here was that the girls were of similar age and both involved the use of a computer. Also, judging by the temperament of the father in video, I could definitely imagine him beating his daughter. The girl in the second video purposefully installed a hidden camera in her room because the beatings were quite frequent. She released the videos several years later when she is already an adult and living apart from her father. She backtracked a bit when she found out that her father could get into trouble.

          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          Also - here's his story about how she got caught:

          "HOW SHE GOT CAUGHT: The Dog Did It.. no, really.

          I finally came out and told her this today, partly because it was too funny NOT to share.

          When my daughter made her post, she used Facebook's privacy settings to block "Family" and "Church" friend's lists. All her other friends could see it. We, of course could not.


          One of our dogs is always getting in photos and therefore has her own Facebook pa
          ...ge. It's just a cute dumb thing we did for fun. Well, the dog's profile is rarely used except when funny pictures of her are posted. Since that's not too often, and she has very few friends on Facebook, her wall is kind of bare, with relatively few posts showing up on it.

          The other night we gave the dog a bath and there was a funny photo we uploaded to Facebook and tagged her in. I logged in as the dog the next morning to comment on the photo. However when I logged into the dog's profile, my daughter had forgotten to add her to the "family" list.... so our family dog's profile showed her post right there on the front page.

          It wasn't any parent-hacking, computer spying, or monitoring of any kind.. the dog actually ratted her out completely by accident. She hasn't petted that dog all day today..."
          Derek, you are mistaken regarding the invasion of privacy.

          You are also confusing the issues here by bringing drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense into the discussion - none of this was mentioned - Just as the video you posted had no relevancy to this thread and only confused some readers.

          We do not know all the facts, nor what goes on behind closed doors, but the girl in question has not gone to the police nor posted about abuse at the hands of her father on her FB account. I'm certain if there was some sort of abuse, we would have heard about it by now.

          No offense here, but you seem to be comparing apples to oranges. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I think there are two different issues here. The first is whether the girl should do housework and I think there is 100% agreement on this. The second issue is the response to her facebook statement which after all, is not supposed to be known to her parents. Teenagers do write silly things on social networks which they may not fully mean. Still not doing housework and complaining about it is not in the same league as taking drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense.

    The response of the father is troubling on 3 points

    1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
    2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
    3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.

    This video is approaching 20 millions views already. The chances are that this will be picked up by the press and the family outed. This will cause much more humiliation to his daughter. This is exactly the sort of thing that can push a 15 year old girl to suicide. That is assuming that the incident is real and not as ploy to make money through FaceBook.

    The reason I put the second video here was that the girls were of similar age and both involved the use of a computer. Also, judging by the temperament of the father in video, I could definitely imagine him beating his daughter. The girl in the second video purposefully installed a hidden camera in her room because the beatings were quite frequent. She released the videos several years later when she is already an adult and living apart from her father. She backtracked a bit when she found out that her father could get into trouble.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post


      1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
      2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
      3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.
      1. Actually, he discovered it accidentally. He explains it on his wall. Also, a 15 year old girl's privacy only goes so far. If she was doing something illegal and got caught, the parents would be liable and they would be vilified for not knowing what she was doing.

      2. Sauce for the goose. She humiliated him first. In fact, this was her second time. I agree it's silly to have that sort of "retaliation" - he's supposed to be the adult. But as pointed out by another - perfect parents please raise your hands... Also, he had no idea it would go viral. His intention was for her FB friends and their parents to see it.

      3. He shot her laptop because he warned her he would if she repeated this offense. He was keeping his word. Also, because this is a household that has several guns (as pointed out by his own posts on his wall) I seriously doubt she felt intimidated. She's probably shot the guns herself...

      This is an interesting topic though. Makes me wonder sometimes how I managed through two teenage boys (now past that) on one 16 year old girl... LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Kim,
        As someone else has already pointed out, NOWHERE did the daughter claim any kind of abuse. Why people continually try to make that leap is beyond me.
        Because they don't understand that, for many people, a gun isn't about violence. They think anyone who would shoot a laptop is some kind of crazy nutball.

        If the young lady grew up around guns, this is nothing more than Dad making a point. Not a point she's likely to be happy about, but certainly not one that would be any more harrowing than if he'd just dropped the thing off a bridge.

        But some folks who hate guns won't "get" that.

        She made her point on Facebook, he responded on Facebook. He did it in a way that will make a lot of other kids think twice about what they say online, and to whom. And he probably woke a lot of parents up to something they ought to be watching.

        For all the dramatic flair, all the guy really did was ground her and take away her laptop.

        Derek,
        Invasion of privacy
        Privacy? She posted it on Facebook. Do you really think parents of young children shouldn't be monitoring what their kids say online?
        Public humiliation
        A public response to a public statement. A response, by the way, which was far more civil and respectful than her comments.
        Intimidation
        Only if guns are unusual in their lifestyle. I thought about that as a potential problem, but I don't see it. The guy wasn't making a big deal out of the gun, and his wife wouldn't have said to put one in it for her if it was something new and scary.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        And if you want to juggle jello, freeze it first
        We used to make "knox blocks" - adding knox gelatin to jello to make a treat you could hold in your hand to eat.

        Goofing around one day my sons and I (they were teens) got into a knox blocks fight (in the house) and we went nuts throwing them at each other. I guess I started it when I put a cold piece of jello in my sons sneaker:rolleyes:. Jello on the ceiling - oh my.

        Then we all got busy and cleaned it up - and no one complained about being enslaved. We were still laughing.

        Twenty years from now that girl will be telling her own daughter "you think you've got it hard - my dad shot my computer"....it will be a family legend.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          We used to make "knox blocks" - adding knox gelatin to jello to make a treat you could hold in your hand to eat.

          Goofing around one day my sons and I (they were teens) got into a knox blocks fight (in the house) and we went nuts throwing them at each other. I guess I started it when I put a cold piece of jello in my sons sneaker:rolleyes:. Jello on the ceiling - oh my.

          Then we all got busy and cleaned it up - and no one complained about being enslaved. We were still laughing.

          Twenty years from now that girl will be telling her own daughter "you think you've got it hard - my dad shot my computer"....it will be a family legend.
          Yeah, and her daughter will say "Wa..Wa...WAIT A SECOND! Yo...You mean you had computers back then?"!

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      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I think there are two different issues here. The first is whether the girl should do housework and I think there is 100% agreement on this.
      Good!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The second issue is the response to her facebook statement which after all, is not supposed to be known to her parents.
      So she fell victim to a myth. BOO HOO.

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Teenagers do write silly things on social networks which they may not fully mean. Still not doing housework and complaining about it is not in the same league as taking drugs and alcohol, school truancy, promiscuity, stealing, bullying, and committing a criminal offense.
      She was insulting and indignant, and THAT is what upset him. She made it sound like she was supposed to do EVERYTHING, and a maid was paid to do it all, and NEITHER was true,

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The response of the father is troubling on 3 points

      1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
      Not obvious AT ALL! It was HIS computer and he was installing software for HER. There are a LOT of ways he could see that info. I've BEEN there!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
      You're right, HE SHOULD have been upset at the humilation she put him through! He mentioned that! That was one reason why he did it THIS way!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video.
      GIVE ME A BREAK! WHAT should he have used? TISSUE PAPER?

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      This video is approaching 20 millions views already. The chances are that this will be picked up by the press and the family outed. This will cause much more humiliation to his daughter.
      YEP, THAT was the intent!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      This is exactly the sort of thing that can push a 15 year old girl to suicide.
      I DOUBT it.

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      That is assuming that the incident is real and not as ploy to make money through FaceBook.
      Well, there doesn't seem to really be a hook, so I think it is real.

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The reason I put the second video here was that the girls were of similar age and both involved the use of a computer. Also, judging by the temperament of the father in video, I could definitely imagine him beating his daughter.
      I DOUBT it!

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The girl in the second video purposefully installed a hidden camera in her room because the beatings were quite frequent. She released the videos several years later when she is already an adult and living apart from her father. She backtracked a bit when she found out that her father could get into trouble.
      Yeah, these days it is IDIOTIC for ANYONE to believe they are 100% private, ESPECIALLY if they live with others in the building. He should have ASSUMED he was being watched.

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    Would the perfect parent in this thread...please raise your hand?

    *sticks hands in pockets*
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Derek,
    "1. Invasion of privacy - obviously he hacked into her facebook while updating her software.
    2. Public humiliation - to her friends on FaceBook and also on Youtube.
    3. Intimidation - by the use of a gun in the video."

    Ther was zero invasion of property,this has already been addressed numerous time. BUT in my household any teenage under the age of 18 has no privacy to be invaded. As I readily stated earlier, The computer the kids were allowed to use had a monitoring program on it. And I am extremely glad it did. Kids love to stretch boundaries. And mine were no exception,but they just thought they were so cool they would never get caught. WRONGO!! And ,again,as I stated earlier,my wife thought she had the perfect angels that could not,would not do any wrong. WRONGO again. I really opened her eyes to a lot of things. But you know, My own feeling is that because of that,my kids ended up turning out much better than they would have if they had actually gotten away with all the trings they thought they were going to. If I had to do it again,I would in a heartbeat,and I would still feel it was no invasion of privacy.

    Public humiliation? All he did was follow through with what he told her he would do if she did something like this again. It was NOT her first time. I think the punishment fit the crime.

    Intimidtion by using the gun? Oh come on now. Did he flash the gun in her face? Did he threaten her in any way? No and No. Ther was zero intimidation. I don't know,maybe the laptop actually felt a twinge of fear,but it aint talkin!

    She was his daughter, she was bound to know he owned guns,but he did not pull any on her. Where is the intimidation??
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    Maybe I'm too "immature" to be a good Father however I would never do something like that to my daughter. She was just being a normal teenager and surely there would have been a better way to resolve the issue than making a video and shooting her laptop.
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Maybe I'm too "immature" to be a good Father however I would never do something like that to my daughter. She was just being a normal teenager and surely there would have been a better way to resolve the issue than making a video and shooting her laptop.
      So....you don't have one. That's what Kim meant when he mentioned not having a clue.

      When you DO have kids, let's just say.....you're in for a real education...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Maybe Dave. However I'm 99% certain I wouldn't result to that.
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Maybe Dave. However I'm 99% certain I wouldn't result to that.
          My father certainly never resorted to that kind of berserk behavior. He was tactful and strategic. Six kids all turned out well.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            My father certainly never resorted to that kind of berserk behavior. He was tactful and strategic. Six kids all turned out well.
            As I said earlier, your reactions are going to be driven by genetics and exposure. You kick five dogs, for example! It doesn't even matter if you move quickly, or even make contact with the dog! One may COWER! One may run AWAY! One may GROWL and BARK! One may ATTACK to get you to stop! One may try to RIP YOU TO SHREDS!

            The five dogs may appear identical, and all conditions may be the same.

            Of course, HUMANS are more likely to avoid vicious frontal attacks, but it has been known to happen!

            If I had a kid like me, I doubt I would have ANY trouble raising him or her. But with some kids? WOW! I would not want to end up there.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Maybe I'm too “immature” to be a good Father however I would never do something like that to my daughter. She was just being a normal teenager and surely there would have been a better way to resolve the issue than making a video and shooting her laptop.

      Being a normal teenager by publicly insulting your parents - after being grounded once before for the same offense - should be just kinda swept away? Ignored perhaps? You think that would have been a better lesson?

      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Maybe Dave. However I'm 99% certain I wouldn't result to that.
      And I am 99% sure that when you do have teenagers, your viewpoint - and parenting skills - will shift dramatically. Trust me - I am on my third teen with one more on the horizon

      Not saying you'd shoot a computer - just that things will be different...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Being a normal teenager by publicly insulting your parents - after being grounded once before for the same offense - should be just kinda swept away? Ignored perhaps? You think that would have been a better lesson?
        No. I just think there could have been a better way of dealing with it.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Just because I'm curious by nature, how would you have handled it, do you think, Jonathan?

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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Just because I'm curious by nature, how would you have handled it, do you think, Jonathan?

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            Well I don't know to be honest. Anything other than creating a YouTube video and shooting her laptop. I definitely wouldn't have made it public to everyone.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              But see the thing is that he warned her if she did that again he would put a bullet through it.

              So if he didn't follow through with that promise, threat, warning, whatever you choose to label it, she wouldn't take his discipline seriously next time and try to push her limits even more.

              I know you could argue otherwise, but come on, you were a teenager once, right?

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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                So if he didn't follow through with that promise, threat, warning, whatever you choose to label it, she wouldn't take his discipline seriously next time and try to push her limits even more.
                I think it's a stupid, over the top "promise" in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    As a little kid, I was given some guns by a friend. I called him my uncle, even though we weren't related. Anyway, I got a shotgun, and a revolver. And I shot both for target practice, but the shotgun had a smaller caliber as well that was a regular rifle, and I only used that as I recall. I ALSO had access to perhaps ALL of his guns. He had at least a half dozen small guns. I only shot them on land SANCTIONED for target practice. There are a lot of regulations and, for open target practice, at least THERE, only some places are allowed, so you can't hit people, hurt property, or disturb the public.

    Unfortunately, he died and, by the time I recovered, since I was in the same accident, his estranged kids descended like locusts to lock things down, and got everything I had been given as well. He used to be a jehovahs witness and apparently did something against the church, and was thrown out. But he was a nice guy, and treated me like a son. In THOSE days that didn't seem odd.

    Anyway, I only got one gun myself and that was, ironically, because the US government was about to outlaw it! Nobody knew the full impact of the law at the time, so there was a shortage on guns and a LOT of buyers. So I can own the gun now, but not get the full function parts, or sell the gun or buy any other like it. I ALSO got the best ammunition I could, which was outlawed after the hollywood incident. I have only used the gun on target ranges. In my home, it is locked up and well hidden.

    So YEAH, some people get guns only in case, and don't have any desire to advertise them, brag, or use them.

    Oh well, I guess that father is lucky he didn't have **MY** gun! HIS is the one that, last I knew, could be legally bought/sold, and only had 9 shots. Mine has 17. I wonder if the extra 8 shots would add to the insults.

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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Jonathan, Dad was only responding in public to issues that the daughter had already made public via FB.

    Like Terra stated, she had already been warned about such behavior.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Well maybe it's a cultural thing.
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    It was too amazing.. Thank god I never even thought of doing anything like what his kid did.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I can't relate to that father at all. He's overbearing, high and mighty, and tactless. I sure wouldn't lay that BS trip on my son. There are more effective and educational ways to convey a message.
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    • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I can't relate to that father at all. He's overbearing, high and mighty, and tactless. I sure wouldn't lay that BS trip on my son. There are more effective and educational ways to convey a message.
      Thunder, I know you really believe that. Is there any chance you don't understand the dynamic of their relationship? Of the culture in which he (and ultimately she) was raised?

      Why does Siri (Apple's voice recognition system) have a female voice in the US but has a male voice in the UK? There are dynamics in each culture that you could not understand unless you are aware they exist.

      I live inside of the same region of the US this guy does (based on his accent) and I can tell you that this man loves his daughter. The mindset is that you must be the dominant male role model in your daughters life. He was fulfilling what he thought was necessary based on his culture.

      Right or wrong, it is kind of irrelevant. This man will not change his mind about how he raises his daughter. He did not harm her or directly threaten her. To ask this man to change how he parents is like trying to stop isolated villages from practicing rituals that are viewed as "inhuman" by current standards. The tribes see them as rites of passage while we see them as barbarism.

      Who then is right?
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Breakinglink View Post

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        I live inside of the same region of the US this guy does (based on his accent) and I can tell you that this man loves his daughter. The mindset is that you must be the dominant male role model in your daughters life. He was fulfilling what he thought was necessary based on his culture. <snip>
        I've lived in lots of cultures and if there is one thing I have learned, individuals are different. Some are mentally agile and flexible, and more likely to be diplomatic inclined towards strategic and educational solutions involving dialog. Others are rigid-minded and inflexible, and more likely to be disciplinarians inclined towards violent solutions involving forcefully imposing one's will on those over whom they have power. I've come to believe genetics is biggest determinant in how someone will behave. I'd wager that that guy was born that way and would be the same anywhere and that culture has nothing to do with it. He'd use a rock on that computer if access to guns wasn't easy.

        To ask this man to change how he parents is like trying to stop isolated villages from practicing rituals that are viewed as "inhuman" by current standards. The tribes see them as rites of passage while we see them as barbarism.

        Who then is right?
        I agree with you on this point.
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        • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          I've lived in lots of cultures and if there is one thing I have learned, individuals are different. Some are mentally agile and flexible, and more likely to be diplomatic inclined towards strategic and educational solutions involving dialog. Others are rigid-minded and inflexible, and more likely to be disciplinarians inclined towards violent solutions involving forcefully imposing one's will on those over whom they have power. I've come to believe genetics is biggest determinant in how someone will behave. I'd wager that that guy was born that way and would be the same anywhere and that culture has nothing to do with it. He'd use a rock on that computer if access to guns wasn't easy..
          If that is so how do you suppose he would be capable of changing his attitude?
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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by Breakinglink View Post

            If that is so how do you suppose he would be capable of changing his attitude?
            I don't, lol. I'd stay the hell away from that guy.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          I've lived in lots of cultures and if there is one thing I have learned, individuals are different.
          You really DON'T seem to know that! This post, and the others, make that clear. You are saying that the FATHER should be the same because the child will be! WELL, if the father can be different, as you say, WHY can't the daughter be different? If the DAUGHTER is different, WHY do you expect her to act the same?

          You use yourself, and brothers, to back up your theory. I am SICK of that garbage! That experience is TAINTED and invalid! ANYONE that is the least bit intelligent will tel you so. You violated at least 4 criteria.

          1. Not Controlled.
          2. Not Monitored.
          3. Too small a sample.
          4. NO diversity.

          If the world worked as you claim, we could throw whole families in jail and get rid of all crime! We could have books on raising kids that actually work, ALL THE TIME! I tried checking out dr spocks book. There are few reviews, and the ones saying good seem to be from people with young kids, or no kids at all! The ones that say it is bad say things like he changes, suggests flouride for babies, etc...

          Some are mentally agile and flexible, and more likely to be diplomatic inclined towards strategic and educational solutions involving dialog.
          So waffling is a sign of a string mind? SINCE WHEN?

          Others are rigid-minded and inflexible, and more likely to be disciplinarians inclined towards violent solutions involving forcefully imposing one's will on those over whom they have power.
          So rigid people are ALWAYS violent? WOW, I've known some gentle pacifists that were very inflexible. Then again, I have known violent people that WERE flexible. OOOPS!

          I've come to believe genetics is biggest determinant in how someone will behave.
          Thank you for agreeing with me! This makes your statement about the 6 kids meaningless, and kind of puts an end to the debate!

          I'd wager that that guy was born that way and would be the same anywhere and that culture has nothing to do with it. He'd use a rock on that computer if access to guns wasn't easy.
          Well, kim DID say HE would use a sledghammer! I thought a lot before coming out with the tissue paper comment. I mean even NOTEBOOK paper can be abrasive.

          Culture DOES play a part though.

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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

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            So waffling is a sign of a string mind? SINCE WHEN?<snip>

            LOL. "Waffling" is a loaded word. Since when? Since the emergence of dialog and the advent of diplomacy. That would be since the dawn of humanity and probably even before that.
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    The dude in the video needs some serious counselling
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    You are not worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    I was going to stay far away from this but I just can't. There is a huge difference between discipline and abuse. That's what most of you are arguing about whether you know it or not. Plain fact, abusive adults raise abused children who become abusive adults and the beat goes on. It isn't just the hat, the cigarette or the gun that tells me much about this guy. The voice tone alone is enough to stand the hair up on the back of my neck. I know an abuser when I hear one. I grew up in a household with a hat wearing, gun wielding, I'm so cool I can't stand myself jerk that looks a whole lot like this guy. Five of us did. Each of us ran when we were old enough. What we each learned is that you don't run from all the scars or all the damage. That has to be dealt with (or not) as an adult. For me it took active church involvement and years of counseling. This girl is going to have huge issues to deal with as an adult. It seems she already does.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

      I was going to stay far away from this but I just can't. There is a huge difference between discipline and abuse. That's what most of you are arguing about whether you know it or not. Plain fact, abusive adults raise abused children who become abusive adults and the beat goes on. It isn't just the hat, the cigarette or the gun that tells me much about this guy. The voice tone alone is enough to stand the hair up on the back of my neck. I know an abuser when I hear one. I grew up in a household with a hat wearing, gun wielding, I'm so cool I can't stand myself jerk that looks a whole lot like this guy. Five of us did. Each of us ran when we were old enough. What we each learned is that you don't run from all the scars or all the damage. That has to be dealt with (or not) as an adult. For me it took active church involvement and years of counseling. This girl is going to have huge issues to deal with as an adult. It seems she already does.

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      Sorry you had to go through that in your life Thomas (no one should have to), but humans are simply not that easy to figure out. Attitude and hats don't make an abuser. I'm not saying he ISN'T what you think. But I can tell you looks can be deceiving.

      My father had that kind of swagger. Mr. tough guy, cigarette smoking roofer. The kind of guy who used to carry 2 full bundles of shingles up a 25 ft extension ladder at a time (80 pounds each). No one would mess with him if he went to a bar. At home, if we did something wrong he could throw a look that would make your knees knock. But... he never laid a hand on any of us, he never told us we were stupid, never made us feel worthless. He punished us when we did things wrong and he could yell loud if he was pushed hard... but he was a pussycat underneath it all. If you didn't know him, you'd probably have the same opinion of him as you do this guy.

      The cover doesn't always tell the whole story...
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

      I was going to stay far away from this but I just can't. There is a huge difference between discipline and abuse. That's what most of you are arguing about whether you know it or not. Plain fact, abusive adults raise abused children who become abusive adults and the beat goes on. It isn't just the hat, the cigarette or the gun that tells me much about this guy. The voice tone alone is enough to stand the hair up on the back of my neck. I know an abuser when I hear one. I grew up in a household with a hat wearing, gun wielding, I'm so cool I can't stand myself jerk that looks a whole lot like this guy. Five of us did. Each of us ran when we were old enough. What we each learned is that you don't run from all the scars or all the damage. That has to be dealt with (or not) as an adult. For me it took active church involvement and years of counseling. This girl is going to have huge issues to deal with as an adult. It seems she already does.

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      Wow, I'm sorry you had to suffer such horrible pain.

      But I find fault in your statement when you say that children of abusers grow up to become abusers. You yourself have just stated that you are okay now after much counseling and I am so happy for you. But in your statement you emphatically state that you are destined to be an abuser.

      However, I'm sure after counseling that you're not.

      I'm sorry, but life experiences aren't so cut and dry. I know people who grew up in abusive homes and are wonderful parents, upbeat and positive with phenomenal relationships with their kids.

      You see, we all have free will to choose how we will live our lives. Life experience can make you bitter or better, it's the "I" that makes the difference between the two.

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    I'd say that's bad parenting coz negativity can never counter negativity!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OH, and WHAT is IM? HERE, people take that to mean Internet marketing! BUT... that CAN'T be what you mean here, because you are talking about over 19 people spanning 5 generations. IM has only been around about 15 years, or ONE generation.

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      OH, and WHAT is IM? HERE, people take that to mean Internet marketing! BUT... that CAN'T be what you mean here, because you are talking about over 19 people spanning 5 generations. IM has only been around about 15 years, or ONE generation.
      Ummm... Steve? You have GOT to stop elbowing the old ladies out of the way to get to the Metamucil. You went and bruised your funny bone again!
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    Paul,
    I have to admit his use of those numbers did almost make me spew coffee on my monitor.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon against other human beings.

    The media and holywood has portrayed them as dumb hicks, simply because they themselves don't know the culture, and honestly don't really care to learn about it. But these people are anything but dumb, and they use guns as a tool, just like many people have done for years.

    A majority of the time they are used for the gathering of food, or the recreational gathering of food (hunting). But when you have one around, you quickly learn that they can be used for instance as a hammer - like when you need to destroy something - eg. a laptop.

    But owning a gun does NOT automatically mean the person is "dumb" or have a violent tendency. These people are very respectful of firearms. And as a matter of fact, far more "gun" deaths in America have occurred outside of this southern gun toting culture.

    And by the way, any of you that care to learn about this man, instead of forming your own judgements based on stereotypes, his facebook is an open page...

    https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

    Here's an excerpt from his page:

    "I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all.
    I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.

    I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT?
    I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!

    I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious.
    (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to.
    (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)

    I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes.
    I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.

    I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)

    I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy

    I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.

    That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter.
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    For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol

    Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.

    The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?

    The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)

    She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)"
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      One person thinks the father's voice is proof of abusive tendencies - or that a hat or the way he walks is a clue to personality. It's natural - and probably the physical characteristics related in their mind to bad experiences they've personally had.

      To me, the man appears honest and straightforward. I don't see shooting the laptop as waste as it was done to make a point in a certain way...but that's my view of it.

      My perception is based on my life experiences with men who were gruff and tough - and could be trusted to have your back no matter what. To me, the father was a man who would look you in eye and say what he thought without backing down.

      A story like this brings the emotional baggage of your past to the fore without you realizing it. If you will insult others to "prove" your opinion about a person and family none of us knows - add control issues to the mix.

      We've seen less than 5 minutes of a family's life - we know nothing about the people. But stories like this are great for drawing conclusions, aren't they?

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon against other human beings.
      HECK YEAH! I have one IN CASE! I spoke earlier of my "uncle". His name was Andy, by the way. He had LOTS of guns. Did he have holsters? HECK YEAH! Did he EVER go around with a gun? Not once in the whole time I knew him. He made parts for companies, and some of them were U.S. military. I bet they vetted him WELL. We had disagreements, but he never so much as THREATENED to slap me.

      OH, I guess he was evil though! They last time I saw him, I wasn't quite 8. He died before that. Anyway, he gave me parts for a band saw, made the band, and helped me put it together. It was a REAL saw, and I cut wood with it! He let me use his table saw! AGAIN, REAL, and I cut wood with it. He took me to his machine shop, and I got to see the attachments, which were OBVIOUSLY sharp! I saw the machines run, and even fed one! Steel rod goes in one side, and the parts shoot out the other. He EVEN let me use one of his lathes, and I tooled a piece of metal. Some would call THAT child abuse! BUT, when I left, I had NO scratches, NO CUTS, NO BRUISES, and could still see FINE. Those machines DID cut metal at high speed, so there was always the risk of getting hit with a filing. So obviously it was a good idea to have eye protection.

      I have known people and later found that they had guns. They tended to be nice and even tempered.

      Do all with computers play games all day or hack? Do all good cooks enter cooking contests, or even get paid for it? Do all that own axes use them as weapons? NOPE! So why would a person with a firearm be evil?

      BTW a LOT of construction workers have used a tool that uses BULLETS to set fasteners in concrete, to build homes!

      The media and holywood has portrayed them as dumb hicks, simply because they themselves don't know the culture, and honestly don't really care to learn about it. But these people are anything but dumb, and they use guns as a tool, just like many people have done for years.
      Yeah, imagine where we would be without guns. There would be a LOT more deer, etc... and less meat on the table. The US would probably be smaller. Europe could possibly all be part of nazi germany. A lot of women in earlier times might have been hurt, etc... There is a lot to be considered. HECK, some people reading this NOW might not be alive were it not for guns. Who's to say that your great great great grandmother wasn't saved with a gun. And at least guns are selective. If a murderer couldn't use a gun, they might use poison or a bomb.

      A majority of the time they are used for the gathering of food, or the recreational gathering of food (hunting). But when you have one around, you quickly learn that they can be used for instance as a hammer - like when you need to destroy something - eg. a laptop.
      Good one!

      But owning a gun does NOT automatically mean the person is "dumb" or have a violent tendency. These people are very respectful of firearms. And as a matter of fact, far more "gun" deaths in America have occurred outside of this southern gun toting culture.

      And by the way, any of you that care to learn about this man, instead of forming your own judgements based on stereotypes, his facebook is an open page...

      https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

      Here's an excerpt from his page:

      "I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all.
      I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.

      I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT?
      I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!

      I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious.
      (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to.
      (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)

      I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes.
      I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.

      I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)

      I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy

      I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.

      That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter.
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol

      Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.

      The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?

      The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)

      She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)"
      He still sounds like a nice guy. He just comes off as nice to me.

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think that a vast majority of people simply do not understand a "culture" where people use guns on a daily basis as a "TOOL" and not a weapon against other human beings.<snip>
      I lived on a remote farm in South America for a time. Guns were used to shoot hares and horse rustlers.

      [I]"I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all.
      I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.

      I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT?
      [B]I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!<snip>
      His self-deprecating sense of humor does modify my impression of him. I don't know him so obviously am not properly informed to give an educated assessment of him (and even if I was, I ain't no shrink).

      In reflecting on it, I'm going to "waffle" and say that, if he does indeed engage in regular conversation with his daughter, as he apparently does, and isn't some overbearing micro-managing and temperamental tyrant, maybe this whole episode might have been a good thing. The daughter would probably be better off:
      1. not getting caught up in social media sites and their associated mind-games.
      2. Being more involved with the real world vs cyber-world, focusing more on studies and getting exercise playing Frisbee or something instead of computer games or suchlike.
      3. Being able to make a living from a young age, working and making her own money and more fully appreciating what she has since she had to work and pay for it herself. I personally want my son to be able to make money by the time he's 15 (but not at McDonald's, lol).
      4. Understanding the power of the written word, especially with social media and its potentially viral nature. The power of the written word should not be underestimated. Words on Facebook have triggered beatings, murders and suicides.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Now your are again blatantly lying.
    But damn, I missed the insult you just mentioned.
    I must be getting old.
    Of course not everyone agrees with my opinion, we here in off topic are used to that,and we have great discussions about things. But you chose to take the discussion to another level that no one else was doing.

    You never tried to "calm the waters" as you say,instead you kept tossing gasoline on the flames, and you know. Insulting someone then lying about it, is called backpedaling where I come from,and that is what you did numerous times,and as has been pointed out,I am not the only one to see it that way.

    I need to get off my high horse? You need to get a grip on reality.
    You have been on the forum about 6 months and you think you know something about this place.
    I had no fight to pick with you, I made a comment that you had no clue about something,something that is said around here quite frequently,then you decided to take an all out attack on me. You are lucky I haven't given you infraction after infraction because of the comments you made.
    You said:
    " You might have a few of "the regulars" jumping on the bandwagon to fight your corner now, but understand that no friends list in any text-based community will ever make your point of view righter than anyone else's."

    Maybe you should listen to your own words. Nothing will make your point of view any more valid.
    I never said mine was the only, and actually a lot of those who don't share my view do share my friendship and respect.
    The majority of the people here are my friends,and if we disagree we don't insult each other,we just disagree and move on.

    You know, you could have very easily posted that I was misunderstanding you and your sorry,or that we should try to move on,but instead you kept piling it on.
    To me, more than anything else,it shows me what kind of character you have.
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    • Profile picture of the author Riggs
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Now your are again blatantly lying.
      No.

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      You have been on the forum about 6 months and you think you know something about this place.
      You disputed my first post in this thread and assumed, by what it said, you knew something about me. Tell me, how do you decipher I'm another person that "doesn't have a clue" by a single post that neutrally expresses my perspective?

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      To me, more than anything else,it shows me what kind of character you have.
      Gabbatha!
      Indications of each other's character are all we have online. You can't know a person's story by just their username and a few of their posts. Though without justification, you naively assumed you knew mine.

      In the space of only a few minutes you've contradicted yourself and managed to support the exact point your argument opposes. Well done.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        No.



        You disputed my first post in this thread and assumed, by what it said, you knew something about me. Tell me, how do you decipher I'm another person that "doesn't have a clue" by a single post that neutrally expresses my perspective?

        I didn't assume anything about you except what that the statement that you made indicated,and what almost every post you have made since then has proven. You didn't and still don't have a clue. In the beginning I didn't know a thing about you,now I know too much,



        Indications of each other's character are all we have online. You can't know a person's story by just their username and a few of their posts. Though without justification, you naively assumed you knew mine.

        Reread what I wrote above,once again you are wrong. I didn't assume I knew your story and I didn't,and still don't care to know your story.

        In the space of only a few minutes you've contradicted yourself and managed to support the exact point your argument opposes. Well done.

        I have not contradicted myself anywhere,You on the other hand have numerous times.As to supporting the point my argument opposes, please explain,I don't see that anywhere.
        You even posted that to show you were the better (your words,not words I would use to describe you) that you were leaving this thread, yet you haven't.


        The person making huge,incorrect assumptions in this thread seems to be mainly you.

        Let's see,what else did you say?
        " I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches."

        You have shown zero maturity and dignity in this thread and now you are being insulting to others besides myself. You hvae taken no responsibility for your actions as I pointed out several times, you lie,then backpeddle, then rinse and repeat. The majority of your comments have been mean spirited ,not funny.
        You have been cast as a fool because you have proven yourself one. You have done so,none of us did it to you.

        As far as defending accordingly as you said "something which that man's daughter never got the chance to"

        Well, you need to learn to research. She not only had several chances to, she has done so and very publicly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          I have not contradicted myself anywhere,You on the other hand have numerous times.As to supporting the point my argument opposes, please explain,I don't see that anywhere.
          You even posted that to show you were the better (your words,not words I would use to describe you) that you were leaving this thread, yet you haven't.


          The person making huge,incorrect assumptions in this thread seems to be mainly you.

          Let's see,what else did you say?
          " I like to think I have the maturity and dignity to stick around and take responsibility for my actions. If I'm casted as a "fool" because of this, I'll take what's said into account but will defend myself accordingly; something which that man's daughter never got the chance to, and something I believe the lesson of that video preaches."

          You have shown zero maturity and dignity in this thread and now you are being insulting to others besides myself. You hvae taken no responsibility for your actions as I pointed out several times, you lie,then backpeddle, then rinse and repeat. The majority of your comments have been mean spirited ,not funny.
          You have been cast as a fool because you have proven yourself one. You have done so,none of us did it to you.

          As far as defending accordingly as you said "something which that man's daughter never got the chance to"

          Well, you need to learn to research. She not only had several chances to, she has done so and very publicly.
          Look back at my first post:

          "Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said."

          Look at your first reply to that post:

          "Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue."

          Now ask yourself this, who naively insulted who first? You can point your finger at me all day but the bottom line is you didn't just start this fight, you repeatedly provoked it.

          I really don't have the time nor patience to sit here and play argumentative ping pong with you while you keep attempting to childishly twist my words.

          This is the internet. People have different perspectives.
          Get over it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Jacob,

    Humor me here for a moment. Seriously... How would your father's friends react if you spoke to them the way you've been speaking here?


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    • Profile picture of the author Riggs
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Jacob,

      Humor me here for a moment. Seriously... How would your father's friends react if you spoke to them the way you've been speaking here?


      Paul
      I do not know. I choose not affiliate myself with many of my father's friends for a number of reasons. Everyone is different and as I've already said, it would be naive to judge the mindset of someone I don't know.

      Humored?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Jacob,
        I do not know. I choose not affiliate myself with my many of my father's friends for a number of reasons.
        Fair enough. Thank you. I expect you have some idea of how they'd react, but that's just a guess.

        The point is, many of us here are probably the same age as, or older than, your father. I'm 53, and I'm not the oldest pony in the paddock this time around.
        Everyone is different and as I've already said, it would be naive to judge the mindset of someone you don't know.
        Then why have you done it yourself, and defended it so vigorously?


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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Then why have you done it yourself, and defended it so vigorously?
          I'm very careful with the words I use in what I say and I know for a fact that never happened. I suspect you're either hopelessly attempting to tag-team me into argument submission, or you've genuinely misread something I've said. Therefore, I respectfully ask that you supply evidence to support that accusation.

          Go on, humor me.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            Look back at my first post:

            "Yes he expressed a point I expect many parents want their children to understand. But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish. If anything it just negated everything he'd already said."

            Look at your first reply to that post:

            "Once again,someone that doesn't have a clue."

            Yes,that is exactly what I said.And I stand by it.

            Now ask yourself this, who naively insulted who first? You can point your finger at me all day but the bottom line is you didn't just start this fight, you repeatedly provoked it.

            Dude, if that is an insult to you ,you need thicker skin. I had already posted to another reply the exact same words. They didn't take it as an insult and get bent out of shape. And this is wjere you are really delusional beyond belief, Even attempting to say I started this and then repeatedly provoked it shows a mind so far attached to reality that is beyong comprehension.

            I really don't have the time nor patience to sit here and play argumentative ping pong with you while you keep attempting to childishly twist my words.


            If you don't have time,why are you sill doing it? And with all the wriggling your trying to do to get out of your original statements, no one here needs to swist your words,your doing a damn fine job by yourself.

            This is the internet. People have different perspectives.
            Get over it

            People having different perspectives? The only person I see here having issues with that is the High and Mighty Riggs. Nuff said, Get over it.
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            I'm very careful with the words I use in what I say and I know for a fact that never happened. I suspect you're either hopelessly attempting to tag-team me into argument submission, or you've genuinely misread something I've said. Therefore, I respectfully ask that you supply evidence to support that accusation.

            Go on, humor me.

            A word of caution. You really don't have a clue of the line you are crossing here.

            I really want to say something here,but Ihave a feeling things will resolve themselves shortly.
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            • Profile picture of the author Riggs
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              A word of caution. You really don't have a clue of the line you are crossing here.

              I really want to say something here,but Ihave a feeling things will resolve themselves shortly.
              Oh please, I'm quivering in my cowboy boots.

              Give it a rest, your threat incitations don't scare me. :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                Oh please, I'm quivering in my cowboy boots.

                Give it a rest, your threat incitations don't scare me. :rolleyes:
                Ummmm,

                That was not a threat of any kind, but a friendly warning (whether you wear cowboy boots or not.)

                The same would apply to me even though my cowboy boots are pink.

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                • Profile picture of the author Riggs
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  Ummmm,

                  That was not a threat of any kind, but a friendly warning (whether you wear cowboy boots or not.)

                  The same would apply to me even though my cowboy boots are pink.

                  Terra
                  What are you, KimW's personal mascot? I'm sure he can speak for himself.

                  Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                  But here is a warning from me. I have been on this forum a long time. During that time I have never given any one an infraction. Any more insults or derogatory remarks and you are about to become my first.
                  Pulling out the big guns I see. :rolleyes:
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                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                    Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                    What are you, KimW's personal mascot? I'm sure he can speak for himself.
                    No, he needs no mascot, however I am his personal friend and don't mind being a cheerleader for any of my friends, that's what friends do.

                    As for speaking for Kim, no, I was speaking for me from experience and know full well Kim can speak for himself, and I'll personally cheer for him as he continues to do so! :rolleyes:

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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

                Oh please, I'm quivering in my cowboy boots.

                Give it a rest, your threat incitations don't scare me. :rolleyes:
                LOL - you haven't had the "pleasure" of a full-on debate with Paul Myers. I did once, back in like 2001 or so. It's rare anyone gets the best of him.

                Kim wasn't threatening you though. We have all seen this before. Us "old salts" on this forum actually enjoy watching Paul in action.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Wow this thread got interesting
      What a lot of the non parents are missing is different kids require different punishments.
      I raised 4 daughters (1 mine and 3 step-daughters as most already know).
      Each one required a different approach when it came to punishment for bad behaviour.
      The fathers video reminded me of my oldest step-daughter.
      In fact I did something similar with her and our house phone once.
      She was being punished and her 'life line' was the phone, this is before cell phones. She was not allowed to use the phone for 2 weeks once for doing something stupid. The first 2 days of the phone ban I came home from work and caught her on the phone. The third day I caught her I simply took the phone off the wall and smashed it with a hammer. Then I bought a new phone and locked it up in our security box.. If we wanted to make a call we would just plug it in, do the call, then unplug the phone and lock it away. Sure I could of just locked up the first phone, but that wouldn't of had the same effect on the girl as smashing it did. For my other kids locking it up would of worked.
      As far as their boyfriends, meeting them for the first time was always fun for me and the wife
      Sal is the only person here who has met me and she will tell you I'm not the friendliest looking person and in person I will tell you what I really think ( I tend to be nicer online) When a new boy would should up my daughter(s) would introduce them to me and the wife. I would say "It doesn't matter what your name is, you won't be around long enough for me to bother learning it." Then as they where leaving I'd say "Remember this, I've been in prison before and I like it." Never had a problem with the boys and only the good ones made it to a second date.
      The girls always knew I had their back and knew I would defend them to death. They also knew if they did something wrong, they would be punished.
      What worked with the oldest wasn't what worked with the youngest.
      With my young one, talking to her and explaining what she did wrong so she understood why it was wrong worked better then any other type of punishment. With the oldest you had to take away something that was important to her like the father in the video did.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        The third day I caught her I simply took the phone off the wall and smashed it with a hammer.
        I think people are shocked w/ this guy's use of the gun. But he was using it as a hammer. Roofers do it all of the time
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Wow this thread got interesting
        What a lot of the non parents are missing is different kids require different punishments.
        I raised 4 daughters (1 mine and 3 step-daughters as most already know).
        Each one required a different approach when it came to punishment for bad behaviour.
        The fathers video reminded me of my oldest step-daughter.
        In fact I did something similar with her and our house phone once.
        She was being punished and her 'life line' was the phone, this is before cell phones. She was not allowed to use the phone for 2 weeks once for doing something stupid. The first 2 days of the phone ban I came home from work and caught her on the phone. The third day I caught her I simply took the phone off the wall and smashed it with a hammer. Then I bought a new phone and locked it up in our security box.. If we wanted to make a call we would just plug it in, do the call, then unplug the phone and lock it away. Sure I could of just locked up the first phone, but that wouldn't of had the same effect on the girl as smashing it did. For my other kids locking it up would of worked.
        As far as their boyfriends, meeting them for the first time was always fun for me and the wife
        Sal is the only person here who has met me and she will tell you I'm not the friendliest looking person and in person I will tell you what I really think ( I tend to be nicer online) When a new boy would should up my daughter(s) would introduce them to me and the wife. I would say "It doesn't matter what your name is, you won't be around long enough for me to bother learning it." Then as they where leaving I'd say "Remember this, I've been in prison before and I like it." Never had a problem with the boys and only the good ones made it to a second date.
        The girls always knew I had their back and knew I would defend them to death. They also knew if they did something wrong, they would be punished.
        What worked with the oldest wasn't what worked with the youngest.
        With my young one, talking to her and explaining what she did wrong so she understood why it was wrong worked better then any other type of punishment. With the oldest you had to take away something that was important to her like the father in the video did.
        Bingo, Thom!

        And I believe that, right there is the key to successful parenting!

        We raised three kids, two daughters and a son each requiring a different distinct parenting technique or method, if you will.

        There is no way a technique for one of them would have been successful for the other two and if we had attempted to utilize one methodology for another child, the results would have been disastrous for both us and the child.

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    Thom,
    I'll have a drink with you anyday,scary looking or not!

    and oh yeah, you too Gary even though politically we are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think people are shocked w/ this guy's use of the gun. But he was using it as a hammer. Roofers do it all of the time
      I know When it got to that part of the video my first thought was my buddy Ron would of used either his .357 or he would of set up the laptop about 300 yards out and used his .300 Weatherby mag
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Thom,
      I'll have a drink with you anyday,scary looking or not!

      and oh yeah, you too Gary even though politically we are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum.
      It's kinda disarming and funny when I'm out in public.
      Basically I look like the typical old outlaw biker.
      But I am probably the most polite, quite spoken, person you'll meet.
      Apparently not what people expect
      At the same time if I think you're an idiot, I'll look you in the eyes and tell you you're an idiot.

      If I drank I'd have one with you any day and Gary also.
      Like it or not, one of the great things about this country is we can all have different political views.
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    Sounds good to me Thom,
    I don't drink liquor, Here I was afraid I'd be drinking ice tea while you were downing shots of tequila! (what I used to drink when I did)
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    Dude, no threat. A reality check. In case you misunderstood,which you seem to do with everything, I was not referencing myself.

    But here is a warning from me. I have been on this forum a long time. During that time I have never given any one an infraction. Any more insults or derogatory remarks and you are about to become my first.
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    Unless you own fileice website you are breaking forum sig rules.

    Dude, you are a keyboard bully. I hope your parents are proud of you. You appear to be about the age of my daughter. Luckily she has learned to have respect for people,men and women, you haven't.

    Terra was not standing up for me, she was telling you that what I was saying was fact.You are treading on real thin ice when you start challenging the MODS of this forum.
    Continue at your own risk.
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    • Profile picture of the author Riggs
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      You appear to be about the age of my daughter.
      Maybe one day you can introduce us and she can teach me some manners.

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      You are treading on real thin ice when you start challenging the MODS of this forum.
      Continue at your own risk.
      No hard feelings keyboard Warrior, I didn't know you was a mod.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

        Maybe one day you can introduce us and she can teach me some manners.



        No hard feelings keyboard Warrior, I didn't know you was a mod.


        I see you still feel the need to keep digging at people.
        I'm not the Mod.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Maybe when people get angry with ME again, they can remember THIS!

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Maybe when people get angry with ME again, they can remember THIS!

      Steve
      LOL Steve.
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    3 daughters and a stepdaughter here. The stepson was too old when I came into the picture. But you are both right,every one responds to different types of guidance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom E
    Glad I didn't have a father like that. Thanks to him, his daughter is going to grow up with a lot of issues. Not because of his youtube video, but because of his complete inability to GET his daughter at any level whatsoever.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Jacob,
        I didn't know you was a mod.
        He isn't. That really shouldn't matter, though. The ability to give good advice isn't restricted to moderators. If the advice is sound, the source is irrelevant.
        Go on, humor me.
        Sure.

        The principal offender:
        But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish.
        ... followed by...
        single digit IQ mong father
        Need I point out the assumptions you're expressing about the mindset of the gentleman in question, or do you see them already?

        BTW, the use of the word "mong" was not only obviously inaccurate (even in the slang sense), but rude to at least two large groups of people. The original 'target' of the word, people with Downs Syndrome, and an entire subset of the world's genetic pool, those referred to anthropologically as mongoloids.

        Then there was this one:
        Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter.
        Already answered, but it serves as another example.

        And, for one last example:
        I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons.
        I find that to be the most insulting comment you've made in this entire conversation. It assumes things about the mindset of the group as a whole, none of them anything but derogatory.

        And, on a completely different note: Repeatedly saying rude things and then claiming absolution because "it was a joke" is something most people learn not to do when they're 12 or so.

        Once is often a simple misunderstanding of style or the environment. When it keeps happening, that is no longer grounds for a pass.

        Then you said to Kim:
        Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man.
        Which really explains the whole argument, dunnit? You appear to have decided to take on the whole group. You seem to think it's a battle, rather than a conversation. Alpha male crap.

        Testosterone rarely adds to effective communication. And no, you are not the only one guilty of that in this discussion.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Thom,
          Here's a scary thought for you Paul.
          They would all be my choices also
          I'd add "Tear in my Beer" by Hank Sr
          I can think of a great many things scarier than having something in common with you. Like, almost all of them.

          That said, if I were in a bar and someone played "Tear in my Beer," I would probably reply with Chris Ledoux's "There'll be a $5 Fine for Whining."



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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Thom,I can think of a great many things scarier than having something in common with you. Like, almost all of them.

            That said, if I were in a bar and someone played "Tear in my Beer," I would probably reply with Chris Ledoux's "There'll be a $5 Fine for Whining."

            YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              Y'all better quit or you'll go and make me into a Country music fan! LOL!

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              Well, I have to confess,I have a Hank williams Jr song on my computer.
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                Well, I have to confess,I have a Hank williams Jr song on my computer.
                Awesome Kim!

                Confession is good for the soul, ain't it?

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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Y'all better quit or you'll go and make me into a Country music fan!
              Heaven forfend! What a terrable thought!

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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Heaven forfend! What a terrable thought!

                YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

                Thanks Paul,

                Okay, I'm sold, I'm a new Country music fan especially after you put it that way. I mean it has my name written all over it, doesn't it! :p

                Just wait for Sal to return and find out that I got me a bit of redneck after all.

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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  Thanks Paul,

                  Okay, I'm sold, I'm a new Country music fan especially after you put it that way. I mean it has my name written all over it, doesn't it! :p

                  Just wait for Sal to return and find out that I got me a bit of redneck after all.

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                  Then you're ready for the King
                  The perfect country song,
                  and seeing how Paul and I have both talked a little about Hank Sr. & Jr., Here's a little Hank III
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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    Thom,

                    I don't think Terra is quite ready for The Perfect Country and Western Song just yet...


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                    • Profile picture of the author troybh
                      That father is a complete and total looser. The 15 year old girl is who she is because of how she was raised. Obviously from a looser father who doesnt think much of his kids. She is from a broken family. Father is a looser redneck smoker. If your gonna make a cool youtube video at least blow the crap out of the laptop. Good explosion or shoot it with a shotgun.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                        Originally Posted by troybh View Post

                        That father is a complete and total looser. The 15 year old girl is who she is because of how she was raised. Obviously from a looser father who doesnt think much of his kids. She is from a broken family. Father is a looser redneck smoker. If your gonna make a cool youtube video at least blow the crap out of the laptop. Good explosion or shoot it with a shotgun.

                        Um... what's a looser?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Um... what's a looser?
                          YES! With the appearance of the Wombat, we now have the perfect Warrior Forum offtopic thread.

                          Somebody call Steve Goodman!
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by troybh View Post

                        That father is a complete and total looser. The 15 year old girl is who she is because of how she was raised. Obviously from a looser father who doesnt think much of his kids. She is from a broken family. Father is a looser redneck smoker. If your gonna make a cool youtube video at least blow the crap out of the laptop. Good explosion or shoot it with a shotgun.
                        WOW, you INSULT him and then say he should have done MORE of what you say is bad?

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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                      Thom,

                      I don't think Terra is quite ready for The Perfect Country and Western Song just yet...


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                      Haha, you were right, Paul. I got to thinking maybe I should ease into this in small increments, lol!

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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          The principal offender:... followed by...Need I point out the assumptions you're expressing about the mindset of the gentleman in question, or do you see them already?
          "But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish."

          Actions are a type of behaviour. A "mindset" is a mental attitude. I was judging his actions, not his mindset. By definition they differ greatly.

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          BTW, the use of the word "mong" was not only obviously inaccurate (even in the slang sense), but rude to at least two large groups of people. The original 'target' of the word, people with Downs Syndrome, and an entire subset of the world's genetic pool, those referred to anthropologically as mongoloids.
          "If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related."

          Already stated that was a joke in my next reply that followed:

          "The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously. I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings."

          But I expect, like KimW, you will probably continue to call me out on that.

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Then there was this one:Already answered, but it serves as another example.
          "Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter."

          The keyword here is the word appears. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          And, for one last example:I find that to be the most insulting comment you've made in this entire conversation. It assumes things about the mindset of the group as a whole, none of them anything but derogatory.
          "Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons."

          The keyword here is the word expect. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Then you said to Kim:
          "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man."

          I did, now I'm back. Miss me? :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

            "But his actions at the end of the video were stupid and outright childish."

            Actions are a type of behaviour. A "mindset" is a mental attitude. I was judging his actions, not his mindset. By definition they differ greatly.

            Actually they are intertwined.



            "If you think any single digit IQ mong father shooting his daughter's laptop sets a good example, your parents are probably related."

            Already stated that was a joke in my next reply that followed:

            "The insult wasn't directed towards any particular culture, nor was it intended to be taken seriously. I apologise if I hurt anyone's feelings."

            But I expect, like KimW, you will probably continue to call me out on that.

            Yes, because we know that once again you are making it up as you go along.



            "Unfortunately, it appears my target audience doesn't appreciate sharing mutual banter."

            The keyword here is the word appears. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".



            "Maybe you and a couple of your friends do oppose me, but this is a marketing forum, thus I expect the momentum of that naive bandwagon is fairly illusory and the majority of you are only jumping on it for self-beneficial reasons."

            More than a couple. Yes,the forum as a whole is a marketing forum,but as you are well aware,THIS section of the forum is Off Topic,meaning for the most part its non marketing. To even make the suggeeation that you are making is once again,insulting.

            The keyword here is the word expect. It serves as evidence that from my perspective, I felt sufficient indications were present for a potential "mindset" judgement to be made. Please explain to me how this justified judgement was "naive".



            "Given you take everything so seriously, I will now walk away from this dispute as the better man."

            Of course you didn't but I did correct your statement to the proper meaning. previously. No thanks needed.

            I did, now I'm back. Miss me? :rolleyes:
            And of course,as stated above, you did not walk away,you just took several hours to refine this post to the point it made you happy.

            Miss you? undoubtedly and resoundingly No. But then, I knew you couldn't stay away for long, You actually lasted longer than I expected.


            Since I answered you in the quote I have to put some text here so here you go.
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            • Profile picture of the author Riggs
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              Miss you? undoubtedly and resoundingly No. But then, I knew you couldn't stay away for long, You actually lasted longer than I expected.
              Maybe my father took my laptop away. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

      Glad I didn't have a father like that. Thanks to him, his daughter is going to grow up with a lot of issues. Not because of his youtube video, but because of his complete inability to GET his daughter at any level whatsoever.
      Sigh, not again.

      Take a minute and research before you post. he and his daughter will be fine.
      He GETS his daughter and is raising her apparently in a manner she DOES understand.

      Now, lets stop beating a dead horse,shall we?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom E
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Sigh, not again.

        Take a minute and research before you post. he and his daughter will be fine.
        He GETS his daughter and is raising her apparently in a manner she DOES understand.

        Now, lets stop beating a dead horse,shall we?
        No need to be derogatory here. It's just my opinion, just like you have your opinion about this. No need to get bent out of shape. I would delve further into my viewpoints, but I can see that you're out to pick a fight, so I'll just agree to strongly disagree with you. Hopefully, you'll have the sense to do the same.
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          Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

          No need to be derogatory here. It's just my opinion, just like you have your opinion about this. No need to get bent out of shape. I would delve further into my viewpoints, but I can see that you're out to pick a fight, so I'll just agree to strongly disagree with you. Hopefully, you'll have the sense to do the same.
          OMG, do we have a shill here?
          I asked you to research before you post,as what you stated has been disproven over and over in the thread. People have quoted from both the fathers's and the daughter's FB pages.

          I am not out to pick a fight,but it sounds like you are. Why you are so bent out of shape because you were asked to research is beyond me. Most people actually do that before expressing an opinion.

          If you had done so there would have been no need to be 'beating a dead horse".
          Have a great day.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom E
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            OMG, do we have a shill here?
            I asked you to research before you post,as what you stated has been disproven over and over in the thread. People have quoted from both the fathers's and the daughter's FB pages.

            I am not out to pick a fight,but it sounds like you are. Why you are so bent out of shape because you were asked to research is beyond me. Most people actually do that before expressing an opinion.

            If you had done so there would have been no need to be 'beating a dead horse".
            Have a great day.
            Kim, you assumed that I didn't do my "research". You are wrong - I read through most of the thread before I posted my original post. Which I stand behind. Just let it go - I'm just stating my opinion here, not the Gospel. My truth is as valid for me as your truth is for you. I'm not wrong here - and neither are you. It's just opinions, no need to get bent out of shape.
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              Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

              Kim, you assumed that I didn't do my "research". You are wrong - I read through most of the thread before I posted my original post. Which I stand behind. Just let it go - I'm just stating my opinion here, not the Gospel. My truth is as valid for me as your truth is for you. I'm not wrong here - and neither are you. It's just opinions, no need to get bent out of shape.
              You are indeed welcome to your opinion. No matter how wrong it is. (Relax,I'm joking ,ok?)
              Though in all seriousness I honestly don't see how you can say what you did after doing your research. Because as stated before, he does get his daughter,his daughter gets him,and My guess is she will grow up a fine young adult with the regular issues young adults have,but not because of her father.

              Either way,you want to think I'm bent out of shape,which Im not, your welcome to think that.
              I can respect your opinion without agreeing with it.Thats what makes good discussions.
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      Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

      Glad I didn't have a father like that. Thanks to him, his daughter is going to grow up with a lot of issues. Not because of his youtube video, but because of his complete inability to GET his daughter at any level whatsoever.
      I don't care to even guess how she's going to evolve, but what I can guess is, the moment after watching the video she'll instictively want to rip out his hair with her teeth. I can only hope that the firearm is stashed well away.

      People who air their dirty laundry in public aren't worth their weight in salt. I can't think of anything which demonstrates more brilliantly how broken down communication actually is if a person needs to broadcast a family issue infront of every man and his dog.

      For that reason alone, I would not waste any amount of time researching this man. His finishing antics with the gun are enough for me to give him the same amount of respect as an attention seeking child with a firearm on Break.com. It's no different. I suspect he might be wanting to score some man points with Ol' Hank down at the Shack.

      What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it. This includes having Police in his home. Oh the joys. All for the sake of a rant his daughter of a whole 15 years has typed up.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I don't care to even guess how she's going to evolve, but what I can guess is, the moment after watching the video she'll instictively want to rip out his hair with her teeth. I can only hope that the firearm is stashed well away.

        People who air their dirty laundry in public aren't worth their weight in salt. I can't think of anything which demonstrates more brilliantly how broken down communication actually is if a person needs to broadcast a family issue infront of every man and his dog.

        For that reason alone, I would not waste any amount of time researching this man. His finishing antics with the gun are enough for me to give him the same amount of respect as an attention seeking child with a firearm on Break.com.

        What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it.
        He's pretty much already done that on his FB wall. There's a link to it somewhere in this thread.

        For me, judging anyone for one act without knowing the dynamics of the family, etc. is short sighted. We all have done one thing or another that other people have called idiotic, stupid, etc. It is what it is. Life will go on for both the father and daughter. In fact, reading their posts, they were fine a few hours later whereas the rest of the world (seemingly) is still going on about it (yes...including me. It is sort of fascinating in a "Jerry Springer" sort of way )
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post


          For me, judging anyone for one act without knowing the dynamics of the family, etc. is short sighted. We all have done one thing or another that other people have called idiotic, stupid, etc.
          I disagree only for the fact that when you perform an action you should be well aware that many people will not take history into regard. More often than not they will take it at face value and it's likely it might not be a valuable factor anyways. It's not a civilized court situation. It's all manners of people from all walks of life calling conclusions based upon what's served up before them.

          We therefore have a responsibility to think before we act with this in mind. That's one of the biggest lessons we can ever learn as adults however it is not one he is relaying to his child. Quite the opposite. It's irony at it's very best.

          There is nothing in my mind however in this case that could ever justify dragging out personal family issues onto the Internet.

          It doesn't really matter what he now has on his FB Wall. He's already done his bit and people have already drawn their conclusions from it.

          I'm sure I can't use my history as an excuse to do somethig quite foolish to say "sorry" and admit that it was maybe wrong to lessen the blow. I'd sooner think before I act and not do it in the first place. As an adult that's my responsibility. As a parent it's his responsibility for himself - tenfold.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


            We therefore have a responsibility to think before we act with this in mind. That's one of the biggest lessons why can every learn as adults however it is not one he is relaying to his child. Quite the opposite. It's irony at it's very best.
            Quite the contrary,thats exactly what he was teaching her I don't see how you miss that

            There is nothing in my mind however in this case that could ever justify dragging out personal family issues onto the Internet.

            As I said earlier to you,you obiously don't understand this generation and their use of social media. Your values (and mine) are not theirs.

            It doesn't really matter what he now has on his FB Wall. He's already done his bit and people have already drawn their conclusions from it.

            1:see what I said above. 2: even if the conclusion is wrong??

            I'd sooner think before I act and not do it in the first place. As an adult that's my responsibility. As a parent it's his responsibility for himself - tenfold.
            And,again,he did think. She did something inappropriate a few months back.he told her the consequences if she did it again.She did it again and he followed through. I applaud the man,tenfold.

            To each his own. I applaud the man for following through with what he said he would do.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            I disagree only for the fact that when you perform an action you should be well aware that many people will not take history into regard. More often than not they will take it at face value and it's likely it might not be a valuable factor anyways. It's not a civilized court situation. It's all manners of people from all walks of life calling conclusions based upon what's served up before them.

            We therefore have a responsibility to think before we act with this in mind. That's one of the biggest lessons why can every learn as adults however it is not one he is relaying to his child. Quite the opposite. It's irony at it's very best.

            There is nothing in my mind however in this case that could ever justify dragging out personal family issues onto the Internet.

            It doesn't really matter what he now has on his FB Wall. He's already done his bit and people have already drawn their conclusions from it.

            I'm sure I can't use my history as an excuse to do somethig quite foolish to say "sorry" and admit that it was maybe wrong to lessen the blow. I'd sooner think before I act and not do it in the first place. As an adult that's my responsibility. As a parent it's his responsibility for himself - tenfold.
            I hear what you're saying. Evidently, this man could give a rats ass about what other people would think of how he decided to discipline his daughter. Other people misjudging or mis-characterizing his action is their issue, not his.

            Besides, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't implying he should use his past history as any form of excuse. What I said was that other people judging any persons entire character or parenting abilities from just ONE action is short sighted. Entirely different thing all together Like I said - we all do stupid things. That doesn't mean we are bad people, parents, whatever.

            I also think, based on what his own daughter wrote, that she did indeed get the lesson - loud and clear. And in fact, she has marveled at the public reaction.

            You can sit in judgement if that's your thing. But my opinion is that what he did served it's purpose for HIS family, whether you or others think it did or not. I am willing to bet he sleeps just fine at night knowing what you think of him
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Terra,
        Just wait for Sal to return and find out that I got me a bit of redneck after all.
        It's all about the accessories.

        Daniel,
        What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it. This includes having Police in his home. Oh the joys.
        Had you read the quotes in this thread from his Facebook page, you'd have seen that he did expect and accept that.

        But hey... Little details like that shouldn't be allowed to dampen a good knee-jerk, right?


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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Terra,It's all about the accessories.

          Paul
          Oh, well why didn't you say so earlier?

          I've got a real one at home just like it minus the "WF" and pink cowboy boots to match, lol!


          @Kim - I'm beginning to see that too. After reading some of the posts on the FB page and here, I'm thinking, what the heck? How did this happen?

          Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        I am AMAZED at how things like this "evolve". OK, I ALREADY told you about the two MAIN items. Let's take it at that. You could say I am all wet, but some things I may remember until I DIE! I haven't forgotten the essence of ANYTHING like this since I was 5, and even have memories going back before THAT!

        First of all, the person that aired this in public was NOT male! SHE was the daughter of a person that got fed up and decided to shoot her computer, as he earlier promised. He made THAT public because SHE already made it public! OK, got that?

        Second, what she did was NOT a female thing! I have personally seen people doing that all my life. I earlier was very fastidious. I atually labeled my library, and stored parts in cabinets. If not for the fact that my mother kept moving things, etc... I would probably STILL be like that. Still, I have seen MANY, female and MALE, act like she did. It is a child thing and it ebbs and flows, but often peaks around the teenage years! It happened when I was a kid, and movies go back DECADES before that indicating it happened THEN.

        So testosterone doesn't enter into it. Any male that dissagrees that says it does might as well be saying he has practically no testosterone. I don't even know about roid rage, since it seems to not affect everyone.

        ALSO, you can BET she was brought up around guns. Females brought up around guns in a reasonable manner tend to be more accepting and less fearful of them. Not to be political, but look at sara palin! She is practically a spokeswoman for them!

        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I don't care to even guess how she's going to evolve, but what I can guess is, the moment after watching the video she'll instictively want to rip out his hair with her teeth. I can only hope that the firearm is stashed well away.
        So I guess SHE has too much testosterone? Did you know females have 1/15th as much, on average, and if it even doubles they tend to have problems?

        People who air their dirty laundry in public aren't worth their weight in salt. I can't think of anything which demonstrates more brilliantly how broken down communication actually is if a person needs to broadcast a family issue infront of every man and his dog.
        Like I said, SHE did it!

        For that reason alone, I would not waste any amount of time researching this man. His finishing antics with the gun are enough for me to give him the same amount of respect as an attention seeking child with a firearm on Break.com. It's no different. I suspect he might be wanting to score some man points with Ol' Hank down at the Shack.
        If he did this for "MAN points", wouldn't he have used a bigger gun? He EVEN had to explain about the BULLETS! A LOT of people LAUGH at .22s and 9mm(His looked like a 9mm) because they lack a lot of "stopping power". The caliber is small, and the charge is weak. Of course, the special jackets and heads on some ammo can make up for it. Agan, as I explained earlier, they are made for SOFT flesh, NOT computer cases or disk drives!

        What's needed is for the guy to man up and to realize that people will draw immediate conclusions based upon the idiotic videos he's presenting and to be prepared to accept consequences which arise from it. This includes having Police in his home. Oh the joys. All for the sake of a rant his daughter of a whole 15 years has typed up.
        As I said before, kid gloves that would appease the likes of you would NOT be effective!

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  • Profile picture of the author JoeyJoe
    this guy is too overprotective and crazy!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Is there a full moon out tonight??
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