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This really bothers me

by ShayB
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Here is a rant. Feel free to disagree. :p

It does not bother me one bit when it is hard for me to understand a non-native speaker of English. I know my accent in Spanish is horrible. :rolleyes: I commend them for trying to speak Engligh.

But what bother me is when native speakers of English are impossible to understand!

I nearly had to resort to hand signals today when trying to communicate with the cashier in the gas station. Her grammar (and I use that term loosely) and pronunciation were horrible.

One example of a sentence used: "You been done gone and gots the gas?" Translation: "Have you already pumped the gas into your car?"

I weep for this country....
  • Profile picture of the author Teresa Coppes
    Unfortunately Shay it continues to get worse but not everyone speaks like that. It's like on tv: any news story out there, I swear, they find the most unintelligent person to speak to who cannot form a complete sentence.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeddyP
    Personally doesn't bother me in the least. I mean it can definitly be annoying but I just keep in mind that a persons dialect can be affected by many things.

    Access to education, socio-economics, their environment...etc

    If the person is literally unitelligble it is one thing, but I have no problem outside of that. To each their own.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

      Personally doesn't bother me in the least. I mean it can definitly be annoying but I just keep in mind that a persons dialect can be affected by many things.

      Access to education, socio-economics, their environment...etc

      If the person is literally unitelligble it is one thing, but I have no problem outside of that. To each their own.
      Dialect is one thing. Gibberish is another.

      "Access to education?" 12 years of public school is apparently not enough. :confused:

      And people wonder why I homeschool. :rolleyes:
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        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        public school
        I think you found the problem.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        Dialect is one thing. Gibberish is another.

        "Access to education?" 12 years of public school is apparently not enough. :confused:

        And people wonder why I homeschool. :rolleyes:
        I've never been a huge fan of homsechooling. I know people have their reasons as to why they do it, but i think that kids miss out on a lot. I dont know you or your background, but I've seen some of the mothers down here that homeschool who apparently think that the ability go give birth somehow ranks them higher in educating ability than the person that spent 4 years at an institution of higher learning specifically to educate children.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          I've never been a huge fan of homsechooling. I know people have their reasons as to why they do it, but i think that kids miss out on a lot. I dont know you or your background, but I've seen some of the mothers down here that homeschool who apparently think that the ability go give birth somehow ranks them higher in educating ability than the person that spent 4 years at an institution of higher learning specifically to educate children.
          What kids miss out on:

          1. Exposure to tons of negative stuff from other kids who have cr*ppy parents - drugs, assault, etc. - and this is in the elementary grades.

          2. Long, boring hours in school hearing the same stuff over and over because the other 29 kids in the class don't "get it."

          3. Too much other junk to mention.

          What they get:

          Field trips, group activities, PE classes, free time, fresh air, Japanese/Spanish classes and a whole lot more. (An active homeschool group helps.) Plus a lot more education than what they would get in one of those kiddie kennels called "schools."

          I went to school to be a Chemistry teacher. I am no idiot. Most of what was taught for the "Education" minor for secondary certification is classroom management - what to do if Johnny tries to beat the cr*p outta Susie or comes to class high as a kite. Or what to do if one of the kids tries to kill you. Really nice.

          What, exactly, do you think kids miss out on when they are homeschooled? Just curious.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

            What kids miss out on:

            1. Exposure to tons of negative stuff from other kids who have cr*ppy parents - drugs, assault, etc. - and this is in the elementary grades.

            2. Long, boring hours in school hearing the same stuff over and over because the other 29 kids in the class don't "get it."

            3. Too much other junk to mention.

            What they get:

            Field trips, group activities, PE classes, free time, fresh air, Japanese/Spanish classes and a whole lot more. (An active homeschool group helps.) Plus a lot more education than what they would get in one of those kiddie kennels called "schools."

            I went to school to be a Chemistry teacher. I am no idiot. Most of what was taught for the "Education" minor for secondary certification is classroom management - what to do if Johnny tries to beat the cr*p outta Susie or comes to class high as a kite. Or what to do if one of the kids tries to kill you. Really nice.

            What, exactly, do you think kids miss out on when they are homeschooled? Just curious.
            Social interaction with their peers for one. hiding your children from the rest of the world is great, until they have to go out into the the world.

            Sooner or later your child is going to go out into the big wide world, the only people they have ever had regular interaction with in a repetitive social environment is probably either related to them, or other people who have likewise only interacted with someone that is related to them.

            Like it or not, the world isn't always a nice place. It would be nice if it were, but its not and not everyone is going to deal with them like their mom.

            Plus there are things that homeschooling can never match. Prom, standing up to the class bully, getting a chance to be the class clown, that one hot teacher that you pine over everyday, that one boy or girl that is THE reason you get up and go to school every day.

            If you tell me that home school can and does match those last two...well thats a whole can of worms i dont want to get into :p
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            • Profile picture of the author ShayB
              Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

              Social interaction with their peers for one. hiding your children from the rest of the world is great, until they have to go out into the the world.

              Sooner or later your child is going to go out into the big wide world, the only people they have ever had regular interaction with in a repetitive social environment is probably either related to them, or other people who have likewise only interacted with someone that is related to them.

              Like it or not, the world isn't always a nice place. It would be nice if it were, but its not and not everyone is going to deal with them like their mom.

              Plus there are things that homeschooling can never match. Prom, standing up to the class bully, getting a chance to be the class clown, that one hot teacher that you pine over everyday, that one boy or girl that is THE reason you get up and go to school every day.

              If you tell me that home school can and does match those last two...well thats a whole can of worms i dont want to get into :p
              Michael, I will simply say that my kids interact with their peers a lot more than they did when they were in school all day. How much interaction is there when you get in trouble for talking? :confused:

              We have proms, for the kids old enough. There is also a special girl that makes my son's heart go pitter-pat when he sees her at the homeschool meetings. :rolleyes: As for the other stuff....well, not sure how important that is, but that is JMHO.

              Homeschooling doesn't mean you hide your kids from the world. It just means you allow them to explore it in a safer manner - and with a better education than they would get from a public school. (At least better than the public schools around here.)
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
                Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

                Michael, I will simply say that my kids interact with their peers a lot more than they did when they were in school all day. How much interaction is there when you get in trouble for talking? :confused:

                We have proms, for the kids old enough. There is also a special girl that makes my son's heart go pitter-pat when he sees her at the homeschool meetings. :rolleyes: As for the other stuff....well, not sure how important that is, but that is JMHO.

                Homeschooling doesn't mean you hide your kids from the world. It just means you allow them to explore it in a safer manner - and with a better education than they would get from a public school. (At least better than the public schools around here.)
                you cant explore life in a safer manner. Life is life, nobody is getting out alive.

                and the stuff that you think isnt all that important...isnt all that important to you....an adult and an adult that has a completely seperate life from the children.

                good luck
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                • Profile picture of the author ShayB
                  Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

                  you cant explore life in a safer manner. Life is life, nobody is getting out alive.

                  and the stuff that you think isnt all that important...isnt all that important to you....an adult and an adult that has a completely seperate life from the children.

                  good luck
                  Must....fight....hormones....want....to....argue.. .

                  But I won't.

                  You know, Michael. I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    "You been done gone and gots the gas?"

    Unfortunately (for the rest of us!), access to education is only a part of the sum. Too often people who speak like that do so because that's how everyone they live with and hang out with speaks!

    I was brought up to enunciate my words when I speak. And I can tell you for a fact that since I have been 'down south', people have looked at me funny (as in 'you're not from around here, are ya?').

    I spent several years in Texas and upon visiting my sister one summer, she remarked that I had an accent! (I should've asked her if she knew where I left my horse.)

    Maybe I did have an accent (or still do?), but what does it matter? This entire world is going to hell in a handbasket.

    But I know what Shay means. I've heard things like that quite often here in Florida and I think it's a shame that people who speak like that don't even realize how they are holding themselves back on the socio-economic ladder.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      There are 2 things that are driving me nuts with the way english language is used today.

      1. is 'college chick' speak. Where everything is a question. The inflection in their voice makes it sound like every sentence is a question and its pretty damn annoying.

      2. People dropping their 't's' and 'd's' when they talk
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        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        1. is 'college chick' speak. Where everything is a question. The inflection in their voice makes it sound like every sentence is a question and its pretty damn annoying.
        Hahaha. But that's quite funny isn't it? I suppose it would definitely get annoying if you heard it all the time?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    *Chuckle* I know what you mean Shay. Some people's English isn't all that good. I have an accent from Wiltshire, England and I probably sound like a farmer or a hobbit from Lord Of The Rings.

    We all have days where things annoy us however I usually I try to see the funny side. Your experience that day would actually make a great comedy sketch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    The first time I drove through Kentucky (I was headed for Nashville) I stopped at a convenience store just off the freeway in the southern part of the state.

    I walked inside, filled a glass with pop (excuse me, soda to some of y'all...) and walked to the register to pay for it.

    The clerk looked at me with a straight face and said, "You wanna lad?"

    I looked back at her and said, "I'm sorry?"

    Again she said the same exact thing. "You wanna lad?"

    My response was a silent look of dumbfoundedness. I thought, a lad? Isn't that a little boy? Why would I want a little boy? Is she trying to get rid of her kids? (I'd heard stories about people in Kentucky...)

    Finally, another clerk walked over and slowly asked me, carefully enunciating her words, possibly thinking I might be mildly retarded, "Do you want a lid?"

    I hadn't put a lid on my cup.

    Now that we could communicate, I replied, "Oh! No, I don't need one, thanks."

    True story. I felt so stupid I will remember that until the day I pass away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
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      Originally Posted by Star69 View Post

      The first time I drove through Kentucky (I was headed for Nashville) I stopped at a convenience store just off the freeway in the southern part of the state.

      I walked inside, filled a glass with pop (excuse me, soda to some of y'all...) and walked to the register to pay for it.

      The clerk looked at me with a straight face and said, "You wanna lad?"

      I looked back at her and said, "I'm sorry?"

      Again she said the same exact thing. "You wanna lad?"

      My response was a silent look of dumbfoundedness. I thought, a lad? Isn't that a little boy? Why would I want a little boy? Is she trying to get rid of her kids? (I'd heard stories about people in Kentucky...)

      Finally, another clerk walked over and slowly asked me, carefully enunciating her words, possibly thinking I might be mildly retarded, "Do you want a lid?"

      I hadn't put a lid on my cup.

      Now that we could communicate, I replied, "Oh! No, I don't need one, thanks."

      True story. I felt so stupid I will remember that until the day I pass away.
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    I always feel pain when need to speak with GoDaddy support.
    There are people from India speaking on line it's terrible hard to understand what they are 'speaking'...

    Most people learn to speak English,
    Smart people learn to speak Chinese!
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    Well, Shay, they often hit the world being quite innocent to what's really going on out there, due to a sheltered upbringing. Interacting with their peers forces them to develop skills to deal with their peers, such as when they are being made fun of or when one of the other kids picks a fight or when someone is trying to take advantage of them, trying to cheat them. It prepares them to face the real world more than they might receive at home.

    I'm not saying home schooling is a bad thing, not by any means. But whether they are home schooled or sent to public school, there will always be something the child lacks when they are cut loose to fend for themselves.

    I went to public school (does it show?) and I definitely had my fair share of fistfights and arguments with my peers, and even so I felt I was still unprepared for the real world.

    I left home, moved across the country and ended up falling head over heels in love with a lesbian...really! Man, I was SO naive!
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by Star69 View Post

      I'm not saying home schooling is a bad thing, not by any means. But whether they are home schooled or sent to public school, there will always be something the child lacks when they are cut loose to fend for themselves.
      I fully agree. I think that every child is naive when they are cut loose. Public school didn't keep me from making some really stupid mistakes. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Star69
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        I fully agree. I think that every child is naive when they are cut loose. Public school didn't keep me from making some really stupid mistakes. :rolleyes:
        There is one thing that I found extremely lacking in public schools that I attended and that is I learned NOTHING about how to earn a dollar. (I don't hold only the public schools accountable for that, I also look at my father. The public schools can't do everything.)

        Shay, one of the best things you can ever do for your children (at least in my opinion, besides making sure they know that you love them) is to teach them how to earn money.

        When I graduated from high school with a diploma in 1974, I didn't know how to make a dollar. I was never taught what I needed to know! Knowing about the War of 1812, that Columbus (supposedly) discovered America or that DNA stands for deoxyribonucleac acid hasn't done me one damned bit of good.

        I didn't even know about going to Voc-Tech school after graduation to learn a trade. (My guidance counselor was a miserable failure.)

        Because of that I worked many low-wage, dead-end jobs with no chance of advancement. I was poor and always struggled to make ends meet. I had to figure out everything on my own, and believe me, that took quite a few very rough years. I thought I had to get a job and earn a paycheck, but that also held me back. It limited the amount of money I could earn.

        The turning point was when I learned how to put my money to work for me, rather than working for my money. Once I learned the difference between spending and investing life became very easy.

        Shay, I sincerely hope that your children want to become involved in internet marketing and that you teach them everything you know about it. With such a fabulous tool at their disposal, there is no need for them to struggle as I did.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by Star69 View Post

          Shay, I sincerely hope that your children want to become involved in internet marketing and that you teach them everything you know about it. With such a fabulous tool at their disposal, there is no need for them to struggle as I did.
          One of the courses that the kids will take in 8th grade is a course on personal finances.

          The other is to start an Internet business. I am using WSO material from John Yeo and Kevin Riley for the "textbooks."

          I agree - the schools do NOT teach about money. Yes, they teach how to count money (which is great if you want to be a cashier), but not how to make money and how to handle money responsibly.

          My son will be in 8th grade next year. By the end of the school year next year he will have set up multiple blogs, run successful affiliate marketing campaigns, be able to do keyword research, write articles, etc.

          And in 9th grade, I will teach him about outsourcing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Ive had no doubt that this conversation would end just this way . Talking to homeschooling mothers is like talking to the devoutly religious. They're right, you're wrong and any other answer is incorrect.


    again..good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Ive had no doubt that this conversation would end just this way . Talking to homeschooling mothers is like talking to the devoutly religious. They're right, you're wrong and any other answer is incorrect.
      Are you disappointed? :rolleyes:

      I can continue if you would like. It just didn't seem like the conversation was going to resolve itself.

      I am happy to continue, if you simply have the urge to debate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Hmm...do I want to get into a debate with an obviously loving, well intentioned mother over her choice of education for her children. I think that would be on my list of to-do's right under licking a light socket or shaving with a chainsaw .

    No thanks, like the great clint eastwood says...'A man has got to know his limitations'
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Hmm...do I want to get into a debate with an obviously loving, well intentioned mother over her choice of education for her children. I think that would be on my list of to-do's right under licking a light socket or shaving with a chainsaw .

      No thanks, like the great clint eastwood says...'A man has got to know his limitations'
      ROTFLMAO

      Good answer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        I think children should be allowed to decide whether they want to go to school or not. If they decide that they want to have fun and socialize with other children and wake up every day looking forward to it then why not?

        Then again we have good schools where I live. So I'm probably biased. I honestly don't know what the education system is like in America.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

          I think children should be allowed to decide whether they want to go to school or not. If they decide that they want to have fun and socialize with other children and wake up every day looking forward to it then why not?
          There is a reason why kids don't make decisions that are life-changing. They are kids. :rolleyes:

          However, in my case my kids hated school. The local schools are ones where kids have parents that hide drugs in their backpacks so the cops don't find them. Or they are violent to other kids because their parents are drug addicts and/or don't care about them one way or another. I was in the classrooms - these are scary, violent, angry children.

          Then again we have good schools where I live. So I'm probably biased. I honestly don't know what the education system is like in America.
          Where we used to live, I loved the school. The kids loved it. The school was clean and the kids in it were (for the most part) happy and well-adjusted. The academics were superior.

          Then we moved here. 6 months in the public schools here were enough, thank you very much. The classes were a year behind their old school, and the students were violent and hostile. The teachers were desperate to find jobs in other counties or states.

          Last I heard, SC was 50th out of 50 states in education, and the county I am in is one of the worst counties in SC.

          For us, homeschooling is the best option.
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            PS - To give you an idea about how bad the schools are, one of my friends (who is a teacher in the local school) said last year wasn't so bad because there was "only" one shooting.
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            Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

            For us, homeschooling is the best option.
            Definitely. Good choice. I wouldn't want my children growing up in that kind of environment either.

            No need to keep using that "rolls eyes" icon. Usually when I want to roll my eyes playfully I smile too. Like this: :rolleyes:. That way people don't think I'm being stuck up all the time.

            All I was saying is that children should have a say in whether they go to school or not.
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            • Profile picture of the author ShayB
              Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

              All I was saying is that children should have a say in whether they go to school or not.
              I think the opinion of the child needs to be considered, but (IMHO) the ultimate decision is the parent's.

              However, if the child hates homeschooling, then it obviously isn't the ideal choice for him/her.



              Please don't think I am stuck up.
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                Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

                I think the opinion of the child needs to be considered, but (IMHO) the ultimate decision is the parent's.

                However, if the child hates homeschooling, then it obviously isn't the ideal choice for him/her.



                Please don't think I am stuck up.
                When I type the smiley face it means I'm happy and/or being freindly. I just learned that the rolly eyes icon is "sarcasm." (I'm not very good with emotions.) Positive sarcasm is good. Negative sarcasm is bad. I'm assuming it means negative sarcasm. Anyway feel free to use whatever you want.
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      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Hmm...do I want to get into a debate with an obviously loving, well intentioned mother over her choice of education for her children. I think that would be on my list of to-do's right under licking a light socket or shaving with a chainsaw .
      Great comeback, Michael. LOL.

      I'm another homeschooling mum, going into bat with Shay. I don't believe the schools here are quite as bad as in SC, we're a bit behind the US over here, but my sister is a teacher and she has had some very challenging times with children aged 10 and 11. Bullets waved at her, threats, foul language from 6 year olds... not an environment I'd like my children in.

      My sister also can't spell. I have a friend who is a teacher and she can't work out percentages even with a calculator. I have another friend who used to train teachers and when she tried to fail a trainee for dreadful English, the trainee appealed and was passed on appeal. She's now teaching children her bad grammar. I have yet another friend and she's a trained teacher, she's homeschooling now and her nearly 12 year old son can't yet read! So, the teacher diploma argument doesn't hold water.

      I've asked my children if they'd like to go back to school, and the answer was an emphatic no. Bullying, name calling, hair pulling, and learning absolutely nothing. They're happy at home, and they're doing fine in all respects.
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    It's just a symptom of a much larger problem,but partially blame the dumbing down of America,which is very real.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      It's just a symptom of a much larger problem,but partially blame the dumbing down of America,which is very real.
      I aint not gotta baleeve you'se...

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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Shay,

    I may type proper here at the WF, but when I am in my element, grammar has no place...

    Our favorite saying around these parts is: "I aint not gotta do that" (Vermont redneck translation: I don't have to do that...)

    I ain't not gotta ax-plane myself

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