Important question before adding more memory to my laptop

by sam770
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Guys,
I got a new lenovo laptop
This laptop has 2 slots for memory cards, one slot has a 4GB memory card while the other slot is empty.
I would like to buy another memory card of 8GB and use it on the empty slot...
However, although I run windows 7 ultimate 64 bit, the message I got from the laptop maintenance program is that my laptop support only 4GB (see screen shot attached) is that true or did I miss something?

I have been told that the 64 bit version support up to 32MB...
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    The 64bit version limits access ONLY so much as it can!!!!!!!!! You have SEVERAL limits!

    1. Memory
    2. Interface
    3. multiplexor
    4. Motherboard
    5. Bios
    6. CPU
    7. O/S!

    So your O/S is the SEVENTH limiting factor! If the CPU says you get 2GB, you get NO MORE than 2GB! If the BIOS says you get 1GB, you get no more than that. If the interface says you get no more than 64K, GOOD LUCK!

    BTW a free memory slot does NOT mean you can add more memory! If the interface can handle 8GB, and the multiplexor can handle 8GB, then you could have up to 8GB in any slot, but 8GB total! HECK, I have a system downstairs. The CPU could handle 4GB(It's an old system), but the board can only handle 16MB. Although nearly EVERY Intel CPU at the time could handle 4GB, nearly NO motherboard manufacturer supported it.

    BTW for the 32 bit windows 7, the limit is 4GB. That is ASSUMING everything ELSE handles it! For 64Bit:


    Starter: 8GB
    Home Basic: 8GB
    Home Premium: 16GB
    Professional: 192GB
    Enterprise: 192GB
    Ultimate: 192GB

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author sam770
      Wrong
      64 bit is much better than 32 bit
      Also, I discovered that my lap support 16GB (compared to 4GB on the 32 bit)
      Good Luck

      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      The 64bit version limits access ONLY so much as it can!!!!!!!!! You have SEVERAL limits!

      1. Memory
      2. Interface
      3. multiplexor
      4. Motherboard
      5. Bios
      6. CPU
      7. O/S!

      So your O/S is the SEVENTH limiting factor! If the CPU says you get 2GB, you get NO MORE than 2GB! If the BIOS says you get 1GB, you get no more than that. If the interface says you get no more than 64K, GOOD LUCK!

      BTW a free memory slot does NOT mean you can add more memory! If the interface can handle 8GB, and the multiplexor can handle 8GB, then you could have up to 8GB in any slot, but 8GB total! HECK, I have a system downstairs. The CPU could handle 4GB(It's an old system), but the board can only handle 16MB. Although nearly EVERY Intel CPU at the time could handle 4GB, nearly NO motherboard manufacturer supported it.

      BTW for the 32 bit windows 7, the limit is 4GB. That is ASSUMING everything ELSE handles it! For 64Bit:


      Starter: 8GB
      Home Basic: 8GB
      Home Premium: 16GB
      Professional: 192GB
      Enterprise: 192GB
      Ultimate: 192GB

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by sam770 View Post

        Wrong
        64 bit is much better than 32 bit
        Also, I discovered that my lap support 16GB (compared to 4GB on the 32 bit)
        Good Luck
        I NEVER said 64 bit was worse. NEVER! OK, I said "the 64 bit version limits....". Maybe I should have said "Memory is limited REGARDLESS of the databuss according to...".

        And 16GB is a good size, but still less than sockets could handle and less than the size of the CPU. So it still makes my point. The crucial site says THIS computer, my computer I am using now, can use only up to 8GB.

        Oh well, I'm glad that you found the 4GB was wrong, as I indicated that 32BIT might indicate. The BIOS, or O/S HAS to tell 32 bit programs that there is a 4GB limit to prevent them from trying to use more, etc....

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author sam770
          Thanks for that Steve,
          Sam
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          I NEVER said 64 bit was worse. NEVER! OK, I said "the 64 bit version limits....". Maybe I should have said "Memory is limited REGARDLESS of the databuss according to...".

          And 16GB is a good size, but still less than sockets could handle and less than the size of the CPU. So it still makes my point. The crucial site says THIS computer, my computer I am using now, can use only up to 8GB.

          Oh well, I'm glad that you found the 4GB was wrong, as I indicated that 32BIT might indicate. The BIOS, or O/S HAS to tell 32 bit programs that there is a 4GB limit to prevent them from trying to use more, etc....

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW if you want REAL help, at least give the model number. They USED to try to make processors better with speed and/or addressing:

    8085 64K
    8086/8088 1GB
    80286 4GB(as I recall)
    80386/80486 I believe 4GB
    Pentium was like 16GB(or was it 64GB)
    etc...

    Now they are backtracking!

    ARK | Intel® Atom

    I actually have one relatively new computer that has a maximum CPU limited addressing capability of 2GB! YEP, 2GB! The earlier generation was limited to 1GB! You see, IT was built for simplicity, economy, and power efficiency.

    steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Go to RAM Memory Upgrade: Dell, Mac, Apple, HP, Compaq. USB drives, SSD at Crucial.com

    Let it scan your computer.

    It will tell you exactly how much you can upgrade to, and show you which RAM fits your laptop. Then you have the option to purchase them if you want. Or you can try to find them somewhere else.

    I'd just purchase it from them tho, shipping time is pretty quick.
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    • Profile picture of the author sam770
      Thank you so much, you helped me big time!!!!
      Sam
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      Go to RAM Memory Upgrade: Dell, Mac, Apple, HP, Compaq. USB drives, SSD at Crucial.com

      Let it scan your computer.

      It will tell you exactly how much you can upgrade to, and show you which RAM fits your laptop. Then you have the option to purchase them if you want. Or you can try to find them somewhere else.

      I'd just purchase it from them tho, shipping time is pretty quick.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    WTG,

    Nice site. I tried BOTH methods. They both worked fine, but the one having you answer questions, like the model of the computer, was a LOT faster!

    I only now checked your screen shot. You obscured the model info, etc... It is possible that it is a 32 bit app, and misled. ALSO, some other piece could be limiting you to 4GB. 4GB IS a lot, and, not too long ago, was ABSOLUTE MAX! Still, usually, if the computer can handle all the memory to the BIOS level, and the O/S DOESN'T handle it, the O/S will use what it can as memory, and the remainder for CACHE, extended memory, and volatile disk space. So you usually don't LOSE anything, you are just LIMITED. AGAIN though, that is ONLY if everything up to the BIOS supports it. If you try 8GB and the system only supports 4GB, the system either won't boot(you can remove the extra 4GB to recover), or it will act like you only have 4GB.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Ya, thats where I get my RAM from whenever I need to order any.

    Selecting the info yourself is a bit faster, but I just prefer to let it scan. I'm lazy like that
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    lol no problem man, I'm actually surprised by the number of people who don't know about Crucial by now..

    Guess you learn something new each day!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      lol no problem man, I'm actually surprised by the number of people who don't know about Crucial by now..

      Guess you learn something new each day!
      I can't speak for sam, but I knew about the site, etc... I just didn't know it had the neat database to answer questions like this. Still, there HAVE been cases when such questions went down to the serial number level before they had a clear answer.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author nawshale
    Hi,

    You cannot just upgrade your memory to a higher capacity. But, you can always try to add 2 gb to your current memory, when it works, change the 2gb into 4 gb. If all this works, try to change the two 4gb memory to two 8gb.

    If you forced to upgrade the laptop, there's a possibility that something could go wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Yep, l have a Toshiba 32 bit, 2 gig of RAM, that l will upgrade to 4 gigs of RAM this week.

      Even though there is another slot, for another 4 gigs, it seems likely that 4 gigs is the limit for this Laptop.

      Shane
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