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so i keep seeing commercials for cosiquin.. I even see them for horses and dogs now...

I am of that age ... everything hurts... all the time.

I don't do ANY meds... ever, in fact i might have had penicillin ONCE in my life.
I don't do ibuprofen or tylenal, or .. really anything

But i need to do something ... sooner then later.

Does anyone here use that .. does it work?

If not, do you have any other over the counter remedies or solutions?
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I have never had anything help with joint or bone pain of any kind better than ibuprofen personally... Its my go to medicine if I am in pain.

    Man the side effects of what they show on those commercials seems more scary than than the issues they are alleged to cure. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Have you tried finding natural remedies?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Have you tried finding natural remedies?
      Kim, glucosamine & chondroitin are natural remedies.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        I wish you well with this, Ken.

        IMO you need a diagnosis before starting to try treatments. (I realize that in this part of the forum, that orthodox view's probably going to put me in a minority of one! But how can "remedies" be appropriate without knowing what you're trying to remedy? "Joint pain" isn't a diagnosis: it's a symptom).

        I have no idea what age you are, at which "everything hurts", but my guess is that you're wondering whether you might have some osteoarthritis? I'm just saying: it might not be (and I hope it isn't, but it's easy enough to find out?). Good luck and good wishes ...
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Kim, glucosamine & chondroitin are natural remedies.
        Tina,
        Maybe I should have been clearer, I meant in a natural state or form, not something you get in a pill or tablet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    I don't use that particular product but I can tell you that a glucosamine chondroitin combo helps a lot with arthritis pain. You do not need to follow the directions, either, as most have you consume far more than you need.

    My old doctor (before I moved) was big on alternatives to drugs when possible and he kept up well with this stuff. He told me to start taking one every morning for the first week and then add a second pill in the evenings on the second week and continue on 2 pills daily, divided as said. Taking more than that does not increase effectiveness, just the cost.

    It takes about 30 days to fully reach effectiveness. The starting out slow like that is to make sure you can tolerate them well - most people can. You can buy these much cheaper than buying those brand names and they're just as effective.

    I get the ginormous bottle of the Walmart Equate brand. They're horse pills but they're perfectly safe to cut or grind. I pulverize mine and mix into a small cup of juice or sprinkle in a bit of applesauce, as I have a hard time with pills.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Ken,

    My doctor recommended I read a book titled, Younger Next YearYounger Next Year (not an affiliate link). It's co-written by a 70+ year old guy who can bike and ski with more stamina than most people half his age, and by one of the world's foremost doctors.

    After reading it I now recommend it to others. It explains the aging process, and how we can reverse things like joint pain. It's worked for me. My knees used to kill me, but not anymore.

    Don't let the title fool you, "younger next year" refers to being functionally younger, it's not some quack peddling a magical fountain of youth remedy. It's a good book with good advice that works. I highly recommend you read it. It's life changing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
    Ken,
    For now, until you find what solution is acceptable to you, get yourself a little jar of Tiger Balm. I am like you, don't take anything .. I do take ibuprofin and aspirin. WHEN I NEED IT!

    The Tiger Balm will take about a day, but it really does help! Add that with what Tina said.. the G/C does take a bit to kick in, but it is a huge help. I give it too my old man.. no, not my husband, my 28 almost 29 year old gelding. He does GREAT!

    I also take it! (I brought up the gelding first cause I didn't want to admit that I'm at that age that stuff is starting to hurt!)

    I have a physically demanding life, I also suffer from lap-top-anitus. I use the Tiger Balm to curb my aches. I also take Citracel, it's a calcium supplement, it really helps.

    If you are up to it... take two aspirin and then drink some warm wine. Only a cup or half a cup! It will allow your body to rest, and the aspirin is an anti-inflammatory.

    Last, here is a cool website on anti-inflammatory foods:
    Food to fight pain - Pain management diet for arthritis and other pain - MetabolismAdvice.com

    Good luck Ken.. it's totally doable! Just give it all a chance!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    I have a lot of arthritis throughout my body and used Mobic for quite awhile. I finally decided I didn't want to take any more meds than I absolutely needed to and quit taking it. Eventually I discovered that diet can make a big difference. I'm certainly not pain free, but I wasn't when I was taking Mobic either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

    so i keep seeing commercials for cosiquin.. I even see them for horses and dogs now...

    I am of that age ... everything hurts... all the time.

    I don't do ANY meds... ever, in fact i might have had penicillin ONCE in my life.
    I don't do ibuprofen or tylenal, or .. really anything

    But i need to do something ... sooner then later.

    Does anyone here use that .. does it work?

    If not, do you have any other over the counter remedies or solutions?
    Cissus quadrangularis.

    I'm buying myself some for my knees. Used to great effect in the past!

    Best get it capped though! Not the best taste!
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      Get to your doctor and get a diagnosis first. Then you can get some meds. You never know when this is a symptom of something serious or just because you are getting older and/or have let yourself go some. I've seen family tragedy happen due to general symptoms not checked out quite quickly enough.

      Possible solutions might be some rehab and then a gym membership or exercise equipment with regular sessions at home. If that is the case, you have to keep it up. It's a use it or lose it kind of thing.

      How is your posture while you work? You might be sitting far too long.

      Prescription Naproxen. It's the pharmacy version of Aleve and contains a different salt than the over the counter product, so you can't just take a double dose of the over the counter and get the same effect.

      Be aware that you might need to take a generic famotidine (this is a very cheap and seemingly good version of Pepcid) with it as this is rough on your stomach, even when taken with food. The Naproxen can cause big problems if you don't deal with it promptly. If you are using the Naproxen or other meds, cut down on acidic foods. For instance, you can get reduced acid orange juice at the grocery, etc.

      Sometimes prescription medications take time to kick in and don't start making a difference for 2 to 4 weeks.

      Topical gels, like Bio-Freeze, usually available at rehab places can also greatly help.

      Do you have too much salt in your food? You might have become salt sensitive and be retaining too much water. Get off the junk foods, canned foods and following recipes when they call for adding salt. Are you eating far too much meat and meat products? That can also cause problems.

      How old is your bed and pillow? You might need to get something newer or more appropriate to get a better night's sleep.

      Glucosamine and Chondroitin can help, but it's not something that is always appropriate or works for everyone.

      I am not familiar with the name cosiquin. I thought you originally meant Co-Q-Ten, which doctors prescribe particularly for a patient with high cholesterol and taking meds for that. I believe the Co-Q-Ten is supposed to be good for your heart, so it's not just for cholesterol problems and I've heard other people say they use it for symptoms like you have.

      You need to see your doctor as all our advices here could be way off or harmful. We have no way to diagnose you and no credentials to do so.

      If your insurance does not cover meds, ask for generic if appropriate. Some pharmacies also compete with each other and offer special lower prices on generics for one month and three month prescriptions. Your state might have a listing of pharmacies and prices so you can pick where to have a script filled or print out what you find and ask your pharmacy to match the lower price.

      Join a site like coupons.com, they also have coupons that might get you a better price (usually stating possible 50 to 70% off regular price,) and sometimes the pharmacies have a copy---BUT you have to ask for it or bring your own coupon.

      Let us know what happens.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Durham
        Originally Posted by AprilCT View Post

        Get to your doctor and get a diagnosis first. .
        PHHHHHHTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

        That is the last thing and what is wrong with society!
        Some, such as Kim , yes.... But the entire doctor bullsh@t is wrong.
        FACT IS- You get old, you hurt more, get used to it...

        Smoke a bowl, have a drink... DON't ABUSE!!
        You'll find the pain isn't so bad....
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        • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
          I take flax seed for other health benefits, but it's also supposed to be excellent for joint pain reduction and overall joint health. Plus it's dirt cheap. You can get it at pretty much any health food store.

          Get a seed grinder (flax seed isn't very effective unless it's ground up), then put it in a smoothie or mix it in with your food. I think it adds a nice flavor to homemade bread, and it's good as a baked potato topping as well.

          And I agree that going to the doctor for something like that should be your last resort. Why pay someone an exorbitant amount of money, only to (most likely) be subscribed dangerous prescription drugs that only cover up the symptoms.... when you could use a 100% natural, safe, inexpensive solution that may very likely get rid of the root cause of the problem altogether?

          Eat right and live healthy first... then once you start doing that, give it at least a few weeks or a month before expecting to see any significant improvement. Then if that doesn't appear to be helping your problem, then you might consider seeing a doctor (and preferably a naturopathic one, as they tend to focus more on the root cause of the problem, instead of just trying to cover up the symptoms like most traditional doctors do).
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  • Profile picture of the author Beverley Boorer
    I agree that you should find out the cause of joint pain. There are many kinds of arthritis that will cause it, but also something as simple as a lack of Vitamin D - something that many computer addicted persons suffer from - will cause it. I have rhuematiod arthritis and find that half a teaspoon of cinnamon and half a dessertspoon of honey really helps. I rarely take any other pain killers. It can be added to porridge or just taken as it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    thank you all
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    A visit to my Primary care physician ( they aren't called Doctors anymore) will cost me upward of $500 just for walking in the door. On top of that every test or procedure is ala cart nowadays. I can easily walk out with a $1000 bill. If I have insurance,great,that will knock down my actual out of pocket to probably $200-$250. If I don't I an responsible for the full amount.
    I almost always recommend researching for natural treatments first,unless you suspect it may be life threatening,
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      A visit to my Primary care physician ( they aren't called Doctors anymore) will cost me upward of $500 just for walking in the door. On top of that every test or procedure is ala cart nowadays. I can easily walk out with a $1000 bill. If I have insurance,great,that will knock down my actual out of pocket to probably $200-$250. If I don't I an responsible for the full amount.
      I almost always recommend researching for natural treatments first,unless you suspect it may be life threatening,
      costs me $35 to visit my doc, my taxes subsidise my, and everyone else's good health. blood tests are free too, but it did cost a friend $35 for an ecg

      a three month stay in hospital cost zero, including surgeries, a benefit of socialised medicine
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      • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
        Cut a lot farther back on the salt than you think you need to, and don't eat anything salty for about 4 to 6 hours before bedtime. One other thing you might want to try is cut out any kind of alcohol and see if that makes you feel better and ache less.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Aspirin, yes plain old aspirin, works really well for relieving joint pain. Regular exercise makes it pretty much go away completely.
    That's one of the points made in that book I recommended in an earlier post. It helps promote cell regeneration, which makes you functionally younger. And yes, you're quite right, it works. I've proven it to myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Professor
    what type of pain do you have? does it hurt when you type as well? ir just like on a daily when ever you move/get up/ go to bed?

    maybe physical therpy? or spa treatment?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Jeez - just take a couple of shots (spoons) of organic apple cider vinegar and some omega 3 (krill or flax, etc) every day if all you're worried about is some pain and stiffness. ThomM and I use Braggs. Organic is cloudy so don't buy the distilled crap.

    Why do people make getting older so hard?
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      What size spoon Sal? Teaspoon or Tablespoon? I'd like to try the organic apple cider vinegar, right now all I have is the old off the shelf variety at home. I'm always careful not to overdose on anything.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
        Originally Posted by AprilCT View Post

        What size spoon Sal? Teaspoon or Tablespoon? I'd like to try the organic apple cider vinegar, right now all I have is the old off the shelf variety at home. I'm always careful not to overdose on anything.
        It would be hard to "OD" on apple cider vinegar, as it is basically just fermented apple juice (without the alcohol). About the worst that could happen if you take too much is that you would be a little more... errrr.... "regular", than you normally are. (but that will happen anytime you eat healthier than what your body is used to).

        Start with a teaspoon once a day, and if that's not too much for your digestive tract, you can up the frequency or dosage a bit after a few days.

        And go get a bottle of Braggs... it's the best... and it's cheap.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

          It would be hard to "OD" on apple cider vinegar, as it is basically just fermented apple juice (without the alcohol). About the worst that could happen if you take too much is that you would be a little more... errrr.... "regular", than you normally are. (but that will happen anytime you eat healthier than what your body is used to).

          Start with a teaspoon once a day, and if that's not too much for your digestive tract, you can up the frequency or dosage a bit after a few days.

          And go get a bottle of Braggs... it's the best... and it's cheap.
          This is right - but I just dive in. It seems to me when you get bad off enough that you need the stuff to STOP something rather than just prevent it, that letting your digestive tract go "water faucet" on you is a good and necessary clean out. I do the same with Vitamin C if I think I've contracted a flu - 1000 mg every couple of hours for a day. Guaranteed to increase your bathroom visits 4 fold for the day, but then - I never get put down by the flu either.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

          It would be hard to "OD" on apple cider vinegar, as it is basically just fermented apple juice (without the alcohol). About the worst that could happen if you take too much is that you would be a little more... errrr.... "regular", than you normally are. (but that will happen anytime you eat healthier than what your body is used to).
          It's an acid so the worst that can happen from an "OD" is a swolen mouth / throat, eroding teeth and other various sides including blood sugar levels dropping.

          Too much of anything is a bad thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I have Braggs in my pantry too.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    I am the most ignorant person you ever met .. when it come to being healthy.
    I have just.. always been healthy.

    I eat a lot of vegetables .. that we grow ourselves. So i know that is good.
    But much beyond that .. i know nothing.

    Never knew apple cider was helpful ... for anything. I think i drank it
    a few times as a kid.. If i remember properly, it did NOT taste good.

    flax.. I don't even know what that is .. I will research it and find out.

    Krill. Isn't that what whales eat? ... I will research that too.

    SALT. Now... that is something i eat a LOT of .. I crave it.

    I don't eat sweets. Because i don't like to .. i prefer anything salty or super spicy.

    I probably eat more potatoes then the Irish do.. completely soaked in salt and butter.

    I figure my pain is due to three things.

    1: I seriously abused myself in my younger years.

    2: rather sedentary life for the last few years ( ie sitting on my ass doing nothing physical )

    3: old age.

    So, less salt. More exercise, some apple cider ... some krill ...

    lets see what happens. In a month, i will say thank you ...

    or go ... you frigging quacks ...lol i am teasing.

    Also i hate doctors, i watched them kill two of my family members.
    So i really do appreciate the help from all who took the time to reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      I figure my pain is due to three things.

      1: I seriously abused myself in my younger years.

      2: rather sedentary life for the last few years ( ie sitting on my ass doing nothing physical )

      3: old age.
      That sums up where my knee pain came from. I played a lot of sports up until my early forties. When I started my online business the amount of exercise I was getting was drastically reduced, which of course, sent my weight up, up, and up. And I'm 57 now.

      I bought a bike. I started riding at the end of June 2012. I could only go a couple miles at first without being gassed and my knees and ankles aching. In less than a month I was up to 8 miles a day. After two months I could ride 15 miles and had no more pain.

      I bought an odometer/speedometer for the bike early on, and so I know I put on well over 700 miles in 3-4 months. I averaged about 14 miles per hour, but was able to ride as fast as 26 mph for a short burst. More importantly, I lost 26 pounds and got rid of the knee pain. It also gave me more energy.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It is acid - but it turns your blood alkaline. It's best to take it with food or dilute with water - it's also good to rinse out your mouth because, like Daniel points out -- it can corrode your teeth. Some people can deal with the acid easier than others. If you're blood's negative acid probably doesn't bother you much.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnnyKing79
    Hey Ken,

    I run several boot camp locations and have seen thousands of clients come through my doors over the last 3 years and bar none, what has helped the most when they inevitably bring up joint pain in their knees, elbows, etc, it's the result of their highly acidic nutrition.

    As a personal trainer and certified nutritionist, I'd recommend one of two things which has worked 90%-95% of the time with all my clients and that is to invest in a premium fish oil or plant based essential oil supplement.

    These essential oils which are high in the Omega's help to reduce inflammation and acidity in your joints. It's worked for me too and I avoid medication at all costs so I'm like you.

    I personally use Udo's 3-6-9 Blend, plant based oil and mix them into my smoothies or shakes during my day. I've gone from knee pain so bad that I couldn't do any of my leg workouts at the gym, to doing some of the heaviest sets in my life within two months of supplementing with essential oils.

    I'm confident this will help immensely. Hope you find your relief. Take care.
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  • Profile picture of the author Heart Cardio
    My sister swears by joint juice. It is a small can that you drink daily. She gets it from Sams Club.
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