Kevin Trudeau sentenced to 10 years in prison

With the right lawyer he would have probably never been sentenced in the first place.

I looked him up on the inmate search. He is currently here at a high rise prison in Chicago:

You may be on to something. There are four different parole systems in the federal system. The Third Branch

It´s important to keep in mind that free speach ends were it might hurt others.

His marketing claims were ultimately his downfall, not the books themselves.

Deceitful marketing is not protected speech.

I think maybe you got it the other way around. The question is, how can he prove that his ideas are right? Can't? Fraud.

There's what should be, and there's what is. According to US Law, the only thing that can cure, prevent, or treat an illness, syndrome, disease, or physical problem or defeat is surgery or a drug recognized as such by the US FDA.

Trudeau KNOWS THAT. It's a center point of marketing in fact. So for him to then go around and say that some food or "cures" something was just ASKING for the federal government to go after him and it doesn't take a constitutional scholar to know that what Trudeau didn't fit the definition of free speech ... it was just stupid.

When someone refuses to deal with the reality of the situation, reality often will deal with that person quite harshly.

This is definitely a BIG lesson for all sociopaths.

But your statement is applicable here because a lot of IM'ers have the ethical standards of Mr. Trudeau.

If he has any theories, then they would be testable, falsifiable and based on evidence - you know, science-based?. I'm not sure what his "theories" are though, but people use that word very loosely, when the correct word to use is "hypotheses". If Trudeau's "theories" are anything like a lot of alternative health publishers, they are probably based mostly on anecdote or correlations that don't have any verified causal relationship (e.g. People in country X eat food Y and are very skinny. Therefore, food Y will cause you to be skinny).

What "theories"? Apparently it is the same old stuff. The question wasn't if it worked, but if it worked AS ADVERTISED! You can't tell people it is an EASY diet and deny them so much.

Steve

I'm not so sure it's an attack on free speech...here's what got him in trouble in the first place:

Yeah, you have the right to free speech, but do you have the right to make claims that are false and misleading?

Never could stand that self centered arrogant prick from day one. Well deserved for scamming and deceiving people for so many years.

Good riddance!

I think he learned it the hard way.

Indeed, what you sow is what you reap.

Exactly. That's what this case is about. For the "deceptive marketing," he was only fined the money that he'd made from the sales of the book. The jail time is the result of a failure to pay the fine amongst other acts of contempt. If he would've paid the fine, there would have been no jail time.

The reason Trudeau is facing such a stiff penalty is that he has been avoiding paying earlier penalties, traveling and working outside of the court rules, hiding his money and basically being in contempt of court.

The only thing Dianetics cures is obesity of the wallet.

The people who believe raw food diet can cure cancer, probably believe it because they're aware of the Dr. Gerson diet which has many fans singing it's praises who are hard to refute, since they are alive and well decades after being told by the cancer industry to get things in order, and wait to die, refusing to accept the death sentence, and going to the Gerson clinic instead.

There are two good documentaries on Netflix which explore the Gerson diet, and another which features Dr Burzynski, another doctor feared and hated by the AMA for having cured many people formerly condemned by them, to a painful early death. The industry is lying when they claim there are no effective alternatives to the knife, radiation and chemo which are the only tools in their arsenal. Why would they lie? Billions per year in profit is pretty good motive.

Anyone diagnosed with cancer owes it to themselves and their loved ones to watch these documentaries, and look into the treatments that don't make you horribly sick, make your hair fall out, poison, and finally kill you, but rather, cure those the industry condemned to death. With any luck the information will finally go viral, and the ongoing slaughter of patients that included several dear friends of mine, and my last surviving grandmother, by the respectable but deadly cancer industry will finally come to an end.

You obviously didn't read the story....

Fraud. He was held in contempt of court for several years, refusing to pay fines while at the same time living a lavish lifestyle. He peddled medical advice that had little basis in science, was not approved by the FDA (giving medical advice without FDA approval is a big no no), and could've potentially hurt a lot of people who take his advice without proper medical guidance.

Defrauding people and breaking laws meant to protect people is not protected by free speech. The guy had this coming for a while. He gives all IMers a bad name.

Seriously? You can't read the articles about his activity and why he's in the clink? This wasn't about the books - but about his lack of character.

Had he been as smart as he thinks he is - he would have solved this problem back in 2004-5 and gotten past it. He prolonged it - added to it - and basically ignored the court and justice system.

He had it coming.

This is a perfect example of why IMers need to be transparent with the claims they make - ESPECIALLY in the health and weight loss niche, where people can seriously hurt themselves following bad advice. Make it perfectly clear your advice is not a cure for anything and to check with your doctor first.

At the same time, Trudeau's fraud was on a large scale and goes back decades. He was given plenty of time to comply with the laws, pay the massive fines, etc, but chose not too. That's why the government went after him the way they did.

Quite a few of us don't make false claims. Many of us have never even DONE a WSO, let alone said anything false about one or done one that was crap.

That's an incredibly broad brush you're painting with there chief.

He is being bashed every bit as much for his refusal to follow court orders. Maybe you haven't actually read the thread?

And again, anyone paying attention knows that the FDA is one of the more ... aggressive ... agencies of the government, probably more so than even the IRS.

We can talk about false claims and who does what and on and on.

The bottom line is that he did it in an area controlled by the FDA and there is no WAY that he wasn't aware of how often they'll raid business and throw people in prison.

We can yap about whether or not what they do is constitutional or not, the FACT is that they do it, they get away with doing it, and they've never so much as received a slap on the hand for doing it.

The REALITY is you don't screw around with the FDA. Kevin did. I honestly think he knew that sooner or later he was going to get nailed for it and as someone has already pointed out, I think he's going to come out of prison and write another book (from outside the US this time).

His whole marketing pitch is going to be, "they put me in prison to try and silence me."

Wait 5 years and see if it doesn't happen.

I wouldn't. My stuff actually works?

bobson

one of the truest comments I have read in a long time.. good to see people like yourself on this board.

this industry is rife with this style of marketing its almost funny to watch.

the top sellers even meet at events so they can mastermind more ways to sell their shit to people here.

marketers mansion.. etc etc

So you consider committing intentional fraud as giving bad advice?

There's more, but I don't want to be accused of being part of the government lynch mob. :rolleyes:

Don't forget that their bread contains(supposedly contained now) an ingredient also used to make yoga mats.

This is sooooooo true. You have to remember that USDA (where the pyramid comes from) is the food industry. Key word - industry. I don't have a problem with weight at all, and can really load down on the food, but I can't even start to imagine 11 portions of carbs per day. It's like they accidentally confused the human chart with the chart meant for beefing cattle up before slaughter. And who can say why they pushed portions up. They have added portions of ALL food groups to that chart in the last few years. It's a disgrace, it's a lie, it's allowed simply because it's a government institution doing the lying, and it should be prosecuted, plain and simple.

It's a flour conditioner. It reduces the time necessary for dough to rise and provides a stronger bread that doesn't easily fall apart in your hands. The alternative is a denser bread product - more calorie content.

We often say "banned in European countries" - but in those same countries many products are sold unwrapped and unrefrigerated in open air markets that wouldn't be allowed in the US.

I think it's probable the incidence of allergies and asthma in this country are related to additives and preservatives used. How many people are willing to trade a 10 day shelf life for a 2 day freshness window?

In a country where it's estimated 37% of the population is overweight - healthy eating obviously isn't a top priority.

As for the "yoga mat" - it's a common news ploy to find the most outrageous case and present that as the newsworthy item.

No no, what you're experiencing there is a survival mechanism we males have called Selective Hearing.