client not seeing the value of FB campaign ?

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I set up a nice mobile site and FB campaign for a chain of BBQ restaurants a few months back. I have them on monthly maintenance. The owner is tough to deal with but at this point I don't want to lose the monthly residual. He told me this morning via email that he is thinking of dropping the FB campaign b/c he isn't getting feedback from his customers. He is asking me what I think. How would you respond?
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  • Profile picture of the author e30drifter
    Why they don't give feedback?
    How many people are fans?
    Give away free meal to take a poll and find out what they don't like about the place?
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  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    130 or so fans. this guy is anti giving out anything free which is part of the problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Etak
      I'm sure you could find a client to replace him who actually wants to build the business instead of standing in the way.

      He is looking for you to give him a price break or else he would have just told you he was getting rid of the service. He's waiting for you to come back and say you will lower his monthly fee.

      Unfortunately, there are some clients you have to let go. It will get worse down the line. Find someone else to replace him!

      Good Luck!

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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

      ...He told me this morning via email that he is thinking of dropping the FB campaign b/c he isn't getting feedback from his customers. He is asking me what I think. How would you respond?
      The truth?

      Not every marketing campaign as the goal of bringing in more customers - in fact some of them are just Brand Awareness.

      If he thinks he just needs to create a FB Page and he'll be rich, I have bad news for him:

      FB is social media - people socialize - majority don't want to be bothered with advertising.

      Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

      130 or so fans. this guy is anti giving out anything free which is part of the problem.
      People are Fans of MacDonalds not cause they offer hamburgers in FB - but cause they love them. Tell him to think about that for a second.

      People often confuse FB marketing (butterfly...) with logic and hard hitting marketing, like Adwords - and that pisses me off. Sheessh.

      FB is a social network - SOCIAL.

      You need to be able to deliver what people want to create brand awareness and get FANS that hopefully will go visit the restaurant someday.

      Social media needs "social marketing"!

      Thats all.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    How do they/you get the 'fans' to interact on the page? Its like email marketing only the (restaurants) client has so much more control over it all amd the communications should be truly two way .

    Can the fans be asked to create a new dish, suggest additions or changes to the menu, be invited to post their own pics and vids from the restaurant etc anything that will give them a chance to 'like' it so their contacts can see it too .
    Polls and contests (dont have to give anything away free) are of course great ways of using FB fan pages. Clearly he's looking for more from you for the $$$ he's paying you, only you know if he's right to do so
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  • Profile picture of the author IMAnthony
    Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

    I set up a nice mobile site and FB campaign for a chain of BBQ restaurants a few months back. I have them on monthly maintenance. The owner is tough to deal with but at this point I don't want to lose the monthly residual. He told me this morning via email that he is thinking of dropping the FB campaign b/c he isn't getting feedback from his customers. He is asking me what I think. How would you respond?
    People, will stay in Facebook. The viral potential is the key to success on internet. If someone sees his friend "likes" certain pages, he will maybe after watching it, likes too, and so on. We all know that.
    When that happen, if some day he wants to stay at home, and he wants order a hamburguer and he remembers that there is a restaurant it is offering a hamburguer delivery service,may be he calls them, and make an order, or if he is going some day with his girfriend and want try something new, maybe they will go there.

    Now, if the owner stops the fb campaign, that will never happen.
    But the point is that his site or service will be known if he stands on Facebook.
    At this point, as you manage his campaign you should make sure that the potential customers be strictly targeted.
    Now he can implement a survey, I dont know if you are doing it yet, and ask for all the customers going to these BBQ restarurants, how they have found the restaurant, and offer a little incentive to them to answer the little survey at the restaurant, and he will see how many have gone there thank to FB.
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  • Profile picture of the author Digital Traffic
    I guess I would ask your client how much time he spends interacting with his clientele on FB.

    In order for social media to work, your client has to become sociable and engage them as well.

    He needs to wish his customers "Happy Birthday" on their birthdays, perhaps offer them a 50% coupon.

    Have them post a special of the day every day, or special of the week, every week.

    They need to be creative and just start posting.

    I also "had" a client that didn't see the value of social media and said it was a waste of time and money. When I asked if they were posting to FB he said yes, I check his account and they had only made 3 posts in 7 months.

    Sometimes, you just can't save people from themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradleyC
    Okay, I'm going to go old school on you all.

    There are two reasons businesses advertise ...
    1) To get sales right now from people who need what they have. They have a need, they see the ad, they call or visit the business.

    2) To put their name out there and make people aware of them. That's because people want to do business with businesses they're familiar with! The idea is that one day in the future when they have a need it'll be the name of their business they'll be familiar with.

    Picture this.

    A dry cleaner, Joe's Dry Cleaning, puts his ads in the newspaper and other places. Consumers see this ad week after week, month after month (based upon his advertising schedule).

    Months down the road they need a dry cleaner. They don't specifically remember the dry cleaner that advertised because at the time they saw the ads they didn't have a need so they didn't really pay attention to it.

    They do a Google search or they look in the phone book (yes, many still do). They search for dry cleaners. The FIRST thing this consumer is going to look for is a business they are familiar with. They see Joe's Dry Cleaner. It's familiar to them. They may not know exactly why, but they know the name so they call on him FIRST.

    If none of the names are familiar to them, then they'll start working from the top down. In the Yellow Pages it's the biggest ads that catch their attention first. Then it's A to Z. In Google it's Organic #1 first and then down from there (another reason why they need to be on the 1st page).

    People like doing business with people they know and are familiar with. That's why social media works. Plus, social media brings in an additional element ... it's like an endorsement from friends and peers. Others are saying they like this place so it must be good.

    It's NOT always about getting the sale today. It's about branding and social proof so when the consumer is in the market for that product it'll be that business they'll go to.

    You get the idea.

    Bradley
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by BradleyC View Post

      There are two reasons businesses advertise ...
      1) To get sales right now from people who need what they have. They have a need, they see the ad, they call or visit the business.

      2) To put their name out there and make people aware of them. That's because people want to do business with businesses they're familiar with! The idea is that one day in the future when they have a need it'll be the name of their business they'll be familiar with.
      Marketing 101 BY Bradley. Read 10 times per day for a whole month. If you forget it, get back to it for one more week.
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      • Profile picture of the author BradleyC
        Another tid-bit of advice.

        What I shared with you in the previous post is what businesses have been taught for YEARS! Then you get inexperienced IM's who come along and say, "Hey, offline marketing is dead, buy from me".

        When you say that, you just lost creditability with the business owner!!

        I'm going to tell you, offline marketing is NOT dead and business owners know that!

        The problem is IM's don't understand offline marketing, and they are listening to the wrong people on how to do this business! They only know online marketing, which is a different playing field.

        These offline businesses have been brainwashed for years on marketing from yellow page sales reps and the likes. You can't all of a sudden come along and say, "Offline marketing is dead" or start telling them what they are doing is wrong.

        Instead, align with them. Show them how you will COMPLEMENT what they are currently doing to help them maximize their results. (one of my key strategies, by the way).

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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    A lot of businesses (some big ones, too) put more focus on the "media" part and not the "social" part. I looked at his page and he is not interacting with his fans/customers. Interact, engage, listen to the people talking about the brand.

    Social media is not about making more sales, but building stronger relationships.

    It's a marathon, not a sprint.
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  • Profile picture of the author scarab
    OP, every answer here is absolutely correct. If you use everyone of these responses to build your rebuttals you will keep that client.

    A lot of the time when working with a client you will find that you have to continually educate them about the value they are paying for and even more you have to teach them how to use the social media.

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author RySpencer
    Just remember, there are 20% of your clients that will give you 80% of your income. Hopefully he falls into the other 80% that don't generate as much income and you can afford to drop him.

    If you don't mind the work and problems he is generating you, it's time to get him more invloved in his "social" media marketing. He needs to be interacting with the consumers, not you. Explain to him how important it is for the end-users to see a face and hear a voice in the local businesses they love.
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  • Profile picture of the author danielkanuck
    Have you ever considered dropping the FB campaign and start helping him with getting feedback from his customers and getting referrals via direct mail?
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I have found the magic number of Fans for Bars/Restaurants is about 1,000. Once you crack that number, you will have many more people to work with. Did you add a Facebook Deal? That way the Business Owner will have something trackable. Lastly...add the Foursquare App to the Facebook wall and remind them to check in.
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  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    Thanks for all the feedback! Client just text me and said that he put the check in the mail this afternoon!
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