My Vote For Most Insightful post of the year 2011! Wow!

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Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

These business owners are less likely to be sold on SEO and here is why.

In their view, why spend $500-1000 a month on SEO when if they spend $500-1000 a month on PPC, they KNOW they will get some leads.
Now "THIS" is a good freakin post!

Amazing insight here! Wow, what a way to look at it and probably 1000% true.

Now THERE is something to make a sales pitch out of!

Talk about an epiphany!

Business owners understand paid advertising...

A pitch like that will make someone some money FAST!!!
#2011 #insightful #post #vote #wow #year
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    When you think about it...which I rarely do, but he has me thinking... "content network" ads dont cost much at all... you could really save biz owners alot of money and Guarantee the results!

    Im not a PPC expert in fact years ago I lost alot of money on it trying to market some affiliate program, and never quite returned, but am I wrong that content network ads could work well for small biz owners like say lawyers...?

    If so I think I may give it another shot. I can see why it would be easy to sell business owners on it.

    But is it effective for them...?

    I wouldnt want to try getting them to spend $10.00 per click, but if content network ads work, then I could see profiting on something like this... because they are sooooo much cheaper.

    Mostly , I can see that this would be a no brainer to write a successful pitch for, and sales are about successful pitches.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrjibbles
      I think Iamnameless came out with a terrific piece of advice to

      When i first started in IM, I spent ages using SEO

      Then realised , if you look at PPC as buying data and not loosing money, you get there so much quicker

      Local wise, do you guys see the Google Display Network as viable?

      Nationwide, I do most certainly.. hense why I am starting the PPC service myself to customers
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    It's not really a matter of PPC vs SEO.

    It's more of "how can I prove I can generate results in fastest way possible?"

    For my clients I actually build-in $100-$200 into their monthly fees to do PPC research on the keywords BEFORE my guys even attempt to go after them. (assuming they are "doable" keywords to begin with)

    If I can generate leads with PPC, then it makes sense (to me AND my clients) to proceed with a 3-6 month SEM strategy to rank for those same keywords on Google etc.

    Ideally you'll actually have both PPC and SEO listings on the same front page real estate to maximize visibility...but this is maximized visibility on a keyword that has already proven to convert into paying customers.

    Meanwhile my clients get to see results (i.e phone calls / buyers) from initial marketing tests without waiting for weeks / months (and annoying us in the process with "why havent I seen results yet" type questions)

    I don't bother clients with the details of WHAT my guys will be doing...I just let them know "here are the results my profit systems will generate for your company...like them? Good. Here's the investment required each month."

    I actually lump SEO, video marketing, etc. into one general result of "increased online exposure" which will generate leads for a fraction of what they are currently spending on traditional advertising.

    At least that's my approach to it!

    ~Dexx

    PS - Properly targeted Facebook Ads > Google in my experience so far (not to mention the built-in viral exposure benefit)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Brilliant Dexx. Awesome. I dont know why I havent thought of this approach before!

    Do content network ads work? Are they still cheap?

    Havent done ppc in a couple of years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Brilliant Dexx. Awesome. I dont know why I havent thought of this approach before!

      Do content network ads work? Are they still cheap?

      Havent done ppc in a couple of years.
      I just added the PS when you posted but here's my response:
      Properly targeted Facebook Ads > Google in my experience so far (not to mention the built-in viral exposure benefit)
      ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Im gonna make a pitch outta this man! You could set appointments left and right with this angle.

    Thanks Iamnameless.
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  • Profile picture of the author maverick8
    SEO is a better ROI than PPC in most cases. Sure SEO has to mature like a fine bottle of wine. But in the long term SEO is performing better than PPC for my business. It gets more traffic.

    But for clients. It is a little bit of a different story. For small niches with low search volume PPC is a good option. But when the traffic market is larger SEO is really in a league if its own compared to any other marketing medium. Once it is up an running and decent rankings are achieved nothing really provides a better ROI than SEO. You will get more traffic with SEO than PPC normally. And to get more traffic with SEO you need to increases the rankings of the keywords that are providing traffic. I know this is easier said than done sometimes. Because SEO is usually a monthy retainer to increase your traffic by 50% costs nothing more. But to increase your PPC traffic you will pay more in clicks and more in monthly managements feed normally.

    As both a business owner and an online marketing consult if i were a normal business but had the knowledge i have about online marketing i would go for SEO 90% of the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by maverick8 View Post

      SEO is a better ROI than PPC in most cases. Sure SEO has to mature like a fine bottle of wine. But in the long term SEO is performing better than PPC for my business. It gets more traffic.

      But for clients. It is a little bit of a different story. For small niches with low search volume PPC is a good option. But when the traffic market is larger SEO is really in a league if its own compared to any other marketing medium.

      Yes, but is it easy to convince a business owner of that "comparatively"?

      Which is a better pitch to get your foot in the door...?

      I would say PPC would make a more effective sales pitch, then as Dexx mentioned, leading them into other things.... But great input.

      Im coming at it from a sales pitch perspective as opposed to a technical one... "obtaining the client".

      Once you have them then you can talk all the technical stuff in the world, but initially to land them...Which speaks their language more?

      Thanks your post has some great insight too.
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      • Profile picture of the author maverick8
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Yes, but is it easy to convince a business owner of that "comparatively"?

        Which is a better pitch to get your foot in the door...?

        I would say PPC would make a more effective sales pitch, then as Dexx mentioned, leading them into other things.... But great input.

        Im coming at it from a sales pitch perspective as opposed to a technical one... "obtaining the client".

        Once you have them then you can talk all the technical stuff in the world, but initially to land them...Which speaks their language more?

        Thanks your post has some great insight too.
        Ok i see what your saying John, and your not wrong.

        Most businesses i deal with are nothing like the online world. They dont chop and changes niches all the time. They have their core services in their industry and their business is built around that. They are in business the same in industry for the long run.

        Now that being said. if you had an offline business and it was ran properly, it is going to be around for a long time. Which advertising model would you want? The one that produces a far better ROI or the model that gets instant results but costs more money the more visitors you want. Also with PPC the more competition the higher the price. So as online advertising is supposed to be the biggest marketing medium by 2013. Which would you rather get ahead on?

        Now we all know the best option would be to target both. But sometimes businesses dont have the resources to fund it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    All good points. I do like adding the PPC into the seo plan so they still see results and think its coming from the SEO set up.

    One thing that I do advise to some clients is that with SEO you can get targeted visitors w/o the fear of running out of money where as with PPC they could get clicks that wont convert, may be people messing around and there goes the budget up in smoke!

    PPC --> clicks that cost that has no promise of converting.
    SEO --> clicks that cost less and can remain for longer periods over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I agree John. I loved that post where I read it. PPC is results now. And if you create a great marketing plan behind how you approach PPC for them they will get some good leads.

    Than you can upsell them on SEO and other avenues to get more leads. PPC is something they will understand and an area where you can prove that you provide quality services.
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