SEO Clients

Yes and in a few dozen posts from now you'll offer leads for sale, we all heard that.

Don't be silly. You know that anything over 850 new clients in just a few months is ridiculous. 1,000 clients. Pfft.

I have a constant barrage of emails that are willing to hook me up with hundreds of potential SEO clients per month so it's totally possible.

Me? I'm so goofy I just delete them

I understand if you are selling / managing / doing Seo yourself , it is near to impossible. I am planning a division of my web design company and we have cheaper and professional labour to do so. Nobody can handle more than 5-10 clients a month if he/ she is doing all the work. My challenge is to give utmost quality with cheaper labour.

Thanks
AB

Let's talk about profit, what's a decent margin for you?

Now about management, how much do you expect your management costs to be? Express in percentage of revenue please.

Once we know that we can talk about delivering value.

I am the owner of web design company in turkey. I am just giving up seo services for long time. Satisfying a customer is not easy..You can sell and make customer..But this is not the trick. You need to satisfy them with results. Everytime google changes algo, you are in a bit problem..Websites survive or not..

Anyway for prices, it depends on how hard and competitive a kw is..Customer can pany 1000 usd even a kw..

But before trusting seo staffs to earn money..You need to be expert enough to place a website top place. Just build a website, make effort for backlinks..social media etc..Then start to show yourself in 1st place..Rest is easy

With google ads is not logical to get many customers..

Take care

I have no doubt negative SEO is big in India.

Yes but given you just reference India [no race argument but as a collective not the place you find the greatest concentration of Good SEOs) the chances you have any skill whatsoever in SEO is close to zip. You a fraud operation waiting to happen.



They would probably be over paying at that price considering what you can deliver

YA THINK!!!! lol


You would deliver them squat. You are on an internet forum asking strangers (many of who you have no idea of their expertise) how you should set up and acquire SEO customers.

That says it all

So that's $200/month per customer on SEO. You have any idea how you are going to spend that?

$200/mo is really not that much and they do have certain expectations when paying $1k/month, expectations that probably go beyond a budget of $200,-, just saying.

For example if you plan to rank them with a PBN, a solid PR4 domain alone already costs $200,-+, then there is the cost of content, employees to set it up / make it look real and what not as that's what they at least expect when paying $1k+

And they expect results fast, they ain't gonna wait 1 year for results so that approach of 1 domain per month wouldn't even work.

It's great to dream but you have to be realistic. Getting clients is one thing, which will prove very hard at that price tag, keeping clients is a whole different thing and as an SEO myself for the last 2.5 years, it's not only about your service, it's also about the current state their website is in, eg currently active penalties caused by previous providers or their selves. All play a large role on their subscription length.

$1k/month TEAM per client that pays $1k/month, makes sense

I do start to get a good idea of what you're planning to do, a whole bunch of Indian outsourcing companies placing bookmarks, links on web directories, guestposts, web2.0's and all manually, and thus "whitehat", right?

Perhaps it works out for you, but not so much for your clients I'm afraid.

Maybe you misunderstood my question so once again.

What are you going to do to increase their rankings in Google as the things you just mentioned won't accomplish that or in such way that it's hardly noticable.

You really think businesses are going to pay a thousand dollar a month to cover all your expenses and end up with some crappy links?

Lol, it gets even more funny now.

You want me to tell you what to do for your clients.

Launching a multi million dollar company based on forum posting. blogging and "all link building stuff"

Keep on dreaming mate

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I am sure lawyers, doctors and other professionals will line up to pay $12,000 per year for those great never been thought of before revolutionary SEO strategies

OP thanks....funniest thread in a long time

You said it, dreamers.

Fiverr gig reseller [meh].

I don't care who wins the latest rant but the thread subject is a joke considering your going on about fiverr gig type stuff that's not even SEO related, it's a list of junk. Then you act like some quality SEO is going to happen all the while you say your not an SEO, your pimping out 3rd world hacks (again, list of junk you posted).

Did you expect anything less than to be called out on the nonsense?

If you want people to take you serious start posting comments that don't scream ripoff.

Yawn....you can dream about other things than just fleecing as many people as you can. You can dream about how to put together the best SEO so that you can charge $1,000 and grow your rep. You didn't start a thread about that.

You came in here with ideas of how you could bag hundreds of customers for $1000 a month each even though you don't know squat about what it is you would be bagging them for.

Thats why your thread got and gets no respect. No one believes anything you say about anything after you listed out SEO tactics from the 1990s

Astrology? No. Accurate about what it was you were able to provide? Yep.

Nope as has been well established by the SEO link packages you talked about its because you don't have a clue about SEO

and one wannabe SEO that wants to charge a $1000 per to as many people as he can but doesn't know SEO. Don't forget that guy. He started the thread


I understand and feel your pain at being English illiterate. I sell a TRIAL for $49. Actually PBNs sell for $497 but perhaps you don't understand numbers either. Meanwhile let me show you the way to the silly corner. People sell here what sells here. Those of us who charge good money for SEO do no advertise that part of our business here because its not the place for it NOT because they do not charge higher than $200/month.


When you own the forum it will matter what you welcome

Everything is possible buddy.

But all the books in the world don't create success in itself. It's the ability to comprehend and understand the knowledge in a way, that best fits the current search algo's bias. Some people know what that is, most people don't. People here don't think you do, but that's beside the point.

The higher you go in terms of pricing and service, the lower the percentage profit should be.

Going for say $1000 a month.
You shouldn't be looking for anymore then 20-25% of that as profit. For anything over $5000, no more then 15%.

Take Mike Anthony's signature for example. I think he sells 10-12 site ESN's (The new PBNS) for a little over $400. Now you could easily, find a local SEO client for $1000 and resell him 2 of Mikes plans each month. Do some kind of better deal with Mike for bulk orders even.

So yeah it's fairly easy if you do have good leads. The concerns where made by others, that your idea of Good SEO, is actually everyone's idea of really really bad SEO. If your Expert friend, really was an "Expert" he would know this. He is probably lying to you. I'd ask to see proof of earning before going into business with him.

If you learn whats works, and look at things a bit more long term. Reselling SEO can be very profitable indeed. Go big or go home.

We all make wrong assumptions sometimes and I assumed you were supposed to be the SEO expert, which is not the case, and that's fine.

As for Indian companies, two weeks ago I was talking with an Indian based web development company and the person for sales inquiries was the owner as well. He was very professional and got me a professional website mockup in only 2-3 hours and it looked awesome.

I gave him half a word of how I wanted it, simply cause the idea just popped up in my mind hours before and I had no idea how to fill it up really. The next day he worked out a complete plan, I went over it, made some suggestions/adjustments where needed and we were ready to roll. Not very cheap, $3500 for everything together with a $1k pre-payment and the rest in milestones.

That was one hell of an experience and normally I wouldn't recommend companies in India but he changed my view quite a bit. His English wasn't great but his idea's / plan / design was top notch. We talked a bit on the personal front as well and told me he regularly employs managers from the US and he pays his programmers $1500+/month, that's quite a bit of money in India, though nothing compared to programmer salaries in the states of course.

As for doing SEO for clients in the $1k+ range/month.

Build them a private network, don't use other people's services for that but train your own staff to do it or hire someone that can teach them the ropes. That way you're always cheaper off and budget is important here, there are quite a few guides around how to analyze domains (for example the guide from Mike Friedman) so you can easily do this in-house. There's not much magic involved, it's mostly time consuming though if you train your people properly you can use cheap staff for that, just make them follow a step by step list that they stick to.

Those guides will also tell you to avoid SEO hosting or hosting that looks like SEO hosting (eg reseller hostings with multiple IP's) as those carry an extra risk of deindexation as they're on Google's radar.

For clients that pay even more you can consider link outreach campaigns, eg creating epic content and making others aware of it. I suppose that's a bit of a hit or miss and clients demand results so starting with a private blog network based on high PR expired domains is the first thing you should think of. All the other things you listed like forum participation, blog comments, web directories are pretty much a waste of effort. There are a few good directories though.

Besides this whole PBN thing, there are also companies that can get you featured at sites like Huffingtonpost, Forbes, BusinessInsider, Examiner and other large authority sites, these links can easily cost up to $1000/link though and mostly start somewhere around $100,- but it does bring some real solid links to the table.

If you can convert 50 businesses a month to buy a $1,000 a month SEO package that's $50,000 the first month.

If you are very good at SEO you'll retain clients for at least a year and if very good for years: I had clients for well over 5 years, my worst period (loosing clients) was during the world economic crisis when business cut back on advertising etc... and as I had a fair number of travel clients which was badly hit, lost a lot during that period, but during the normal times 3 years retention wasn't unusual.

If SEO clients stay with you for even just 1 year, in 12 months you'd have 6,000 clients paying $1,000 month each, that's $6 million a month or $72 million a year.

In reality you'd need a huge business to manage 6,000 clients, the email and phone support alone would require a dedicated team working 24/7, 365 days a year (assume you would be international).

Your numbers aren't realistic.
You don't have the skills to generate traffic to clients (you don't understand SEO).
You don't know enough about SEO to create a service that will retain clients long term.

To stack the deck in my favour I turned down the vast majority of potential clients, only took on businesses I was sure I could give a decent ROI because otherwise I'd spend 6 months managing expectations/hand holding, before they dropped the service because it was taking too long.

The real money is when you have clients hooked for over a year, managing those clients is far easier when you've already made them a load of extra search engine traffic and they are happy to maintain it: as long as the traffic remains steady or increases they pay the fees and barely bother you for updates etc...

David

I would say what has been said already!
You make your clients money, they'll pay you and will get you more clients.