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Hi

I am thinking to open a SEO company. Do you think there are clients to target paying $1000 or more per month and it is easy to get 100-200 clients in few months?

Any advice will be highly appreciated.

Regards
AB
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

    I am thinking to open a SEO company. Do you think there are clients to target paying $1000 or more per month
    Yes.

    Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

    and it is easy to get 100-200 clients in few months?
    No.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    Thanks Mike for answer. We can actually generate 50-100 leads a day.. and can hire 3-4 sales guys for selling SEO.

    Any insight of market?

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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      Thanks Mike for answer. We can actually generate 50-100 leads a day.. and can hire 3-4 sales guys for selling SEO.

      Any insight of market?

      Regards
      AB
      Yes and in a few dozen posts from now you'll offer leads for sale, we all heard that.
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    I would say start slowly and have results on your clients and then they will recommend you and the business will grow fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

    Hi

    I am thinking to open a SEO company. Do you think there are clients to target paying $1000 or more per month and it is easy to get 100-200 clients in few months?

    Of course. Its child's play starting a business that will generate 1.2 million to 2.4 million a year. Think higher like 1,000 clients.

    Why?

    12 million is bigger than 2.4 million.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Of course. Its child's play starting a business that will generate 1.2 million to 2.4 million a year. Think higher like 1,000 clients.

      Why?

      12 million is bigger than 2.4 million.
      Don't be silly. You know that anything over 850 new clients in just a few months is ridiculous. 1,000 clients. Pfft.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Look I was just being conservative. You can get 5,000 clients in a week if you know how to use facebook and Linkedin.


        I am not blowing smoke either . I am on the yacht I bought from my first year right now. Hey its Tiger's yacht passing by mine.

        Yo Tiger!!

        (Five bikini clad ladies this time. Guess the therapy didn't work. Time for surgery.)
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          (Five bikini clad ladies this time. Guess the therapy didn't work. Time for surgery.)
          Hey, he never said he was quitting cold turkey. That is a drastic reduction compared to 5 years ago.
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Look I was just being conservative. You can get 5,000 clients in a week if you know how to use facebook and Linkedin.


          I am not blowing smoke either . I am on the yacht I bought from my first year right now. Hey its Tiger's yacht passing by mine.

          Yo Tiger!!

          (Five bikini clad ladies this time. Guess the therapy didn't work. Time for surgery.)
          You missed Google+ that could add a few more thousand clients each week, and Twitter a few more thousand there.

          The OP clearly hasn't researched the SEO services niche, it ain't that big and it's highly competitive and fragmented into multiple smaller niches. Go spend a few hours looking at the monthly traffic search figures for SEO relevant SERPs using the Google AdWords tool: SEO Services for example is only 27,100 searches a month, SEO Services Pricing only 590 a month.

          Relatively low traffic, HIGHLY competitive.

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  • Profile picture of the author AskAnAffiliate
    I am thinking to open a SEO company. Do you think there are clients to target paying $1000 or more per month and it is easy to get 100-200 clients in few months?
    You better be good because people will pay enormous amounts of money if you give them results. You better be able to handle the load and provide results or you won't last long. For an adequate SEO service, I can easily pay $200 to some dudes on Freelancer. What will distinguish you from the rest will be quality and results. You make your clients money, they'll pay you NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!!
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  • It's not easy getting clients. You have to work very hard to be successful. I currently have 11 clients and i do what ever possible to keep them happy. If you think you can pull 100-200 clients in a month starting from scratch....all i can say is good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Blaine Smitley
      Originally Posted by ShoeNickel View Post

      It's not easy getting clients. You have to work very hard to be successful. I currently have 11 clients and i do what ever possible to keep them happy. If you think you can pull 100-200 clients in a month starting from scratch....all i can say is good luck.
      I have a constant barrage of emails that are willing to hook me up with hundreds of potential SEO clients per month so it's totally possible.

      Me? I'm so goofy I just delete them
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    • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
      Originally Posted by ShoeNickel View Post

      It's not easy getting clients. You have to work very hard to be successful. I currently have 11 clients and i do what ever possible to keep them happy. If you think you can pull 100-200 clients in a month starting from scratch....all i can say is good luck.
      I understand if you are selling / managing / doing Seo yourself , it is near to impossible. I am planning a division of my web design company and we have cheaper and professional labour to do so. Nobody can handle more than 5-10 clients a month if he/ she is doing all the work. My challenge is to give utmost quality with cheaper labour.

      Thanks
      AB
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    haha.. most of people here love posts like " Make $99.88 daily on autopilot" then subscribe to their newsletter and then buy few of their products.

    THIS POST is for dreamers. And i personally know few people in India who have built a business in a year generating $10-25M per year.

    Back to original idea. and Post is meant for only those who DREAM BIG.

    1. I have constant flow of leads for SEO.
    2. I know how to sell. 50-100 leads a day.. and 1-3 sales a day with 3-4 sales professional.. it is possible. We have money to invest.
    3. Problem is Price. Most of people want to pay $200-500 a month which will not justify marketing/sales/management/support/ & actual SEO procedure cost.
    4. Most of companies generating millions but having $200-500 clients are not able to deliver much.
    5. If price is $900-$1000 per month, We can actually deliver them value. Manage business properly and can have nice profits.

    You may make fun ( i love that).. or you can add value ( i love that as well).

    Regards
    AB
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      haha.. most of people here love posts like " Make $99.88 daily on autopilot" then subscribe to their newsletter and then buy few of their products.

      THIS POST is for dreamers. And i personally know few people in India who have built a business in a year generating $10-25M per year.

      Back to original idea. and Post is meant for only those who DREAM BIG.

      1. I have constant flow of leads for SEO.
      2. I know how to sell. 50-100 leads a day.. and 1-3 sales a day with 3-4 sales professional.. it is possible. We have money to invest.
      3. Problem is Price. Most of people want to pay $200-500 a month which will not justify marketing/sales/management/support/ & actual SEO procedure cost.
      4. Most of companies generating millions but having $200-500 clients are not able to deliver much.
      5. If price is $900-$1000 per month, We can actually deliver them value. Manage business properly and can have nice profits.

      You may make fun ( i love that).. or you can add value ( i love that as well).

      Regards
      AB
      Let's talk about profit, what's a decent margin for you?

      Now about management, how much do you expect your management costs to be? Express in percentage of revenue please.

      Once we know that we can talk about delivering value.
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    • Profile picture of the author pixelcreative
      I am the owner of web design company in turkey. I am just giving up seo services for long time. Satisfying a customer is not easy..You can sell and make customer..But this is not the trick. You need to satisfy them with results. Everytime google changes algo, you are in a bit problem..Websites survive or not..

      Anyway for prices, it depends on how hard and competitive a kw is..Customer can pany 1000 usd even a kw..

      But before trusting seo staffs to earn money..You need to be expert enough to place a website top place. Just build a website, make effort for backlinks..social media etc..Then start to show yourself in 1st place..Rest is easy

      With google ads is not logical to get many customers..

      Take care

      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      haha.. most of people here love posts like " Make $99.88 daily on autopilot" then subscribe to their newsletter and then buy few of their products.

      THIS POST is for dreamers. And i personally know few people in India who have built a business in a year generating $10-25M per year.

      Back to original idea. and Post is meant for only those who DREAM BIG.

      1. I have constant flow of leads for SEO.
      2. I know how to sell. 50-100 leads a day.. and 1-3 sales a day with 3-4 sales professional.. it is possible. We have money to invest.
      3. Problem is Price. Most of people want to pay $200-500 a month which will not justify marketing/sales/management/support/ & actual SEO procedure cost.
      4. Most of companies generating millions but having $200-500 clients are not able to deliver much.
      5. If price is $900-$1000 per month, We can actually deliver them value. Manage business properly and can have nice profits.

      You may make fun ( i love that).. or you can add value ( i love that as well).

      Regards
      AB
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post


      THIS POST is for dreamers. And i personally know few people in India who have built a business in a year generating $10-25M per year.
      I have no doubt negative SEO is big in India.

      . I know how to sell. 50-100 leads a day.. and 1-3 sales a day with 3-4 sales professional.. it is possible. We have money to invest.
      Yes but given you just reference India [no race argument but as a collective not the place you find the greatest concentration of Good SEOs) the chances you have any skill whatsoever in SEO is close to zip. You a fraud operation waiting to happen.


      . Problem is Price. Most of people want to pay $200-500 a month which will not justify marketing/sales/management/support/ & actual SEO procedure cost.

      They would probably be over paying at that price considering what you can deliver

      4. Most of companies generating millions but having $200-500 clients are not able to deliver much.
      YA THINK!!!! lol


      5. If price is $900-$1000 per month, We can actually deliver them value.
      You would deliver them squat. You are on an internet forum asking strangers (many of who you have no idea of their expertise) how you should set up and acquire SEO customers.

      That says it all
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    Hi Niko

    Here is what my plan is

    1. I want to make 40-50% ( $300-500) profit in long run.. not from 1-3 months.
    2. Management cost should be around 10% atleast. SEO cost should be around 20%. 20-30% goes to sales and marketing.
    3. Idea is to serve mid sized business ( making 40-50k per month) who can actually afford $1k or more on this. Like Lawyers/ Dentists/ Doctors/ Manufacturers etc.

    Regards
    AB
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      Hi Niko

      Here is what my plan is

      1. I want to make 40-50% ( $300-500) profit in long run.. not from 1-3 months.
      2. Management cost should be around 10% atleast. SEO cost should be around 20%. 20-30% goes to sales and marketing.
      3. Idea is to serve mid sized business ( making 40-50k per month) who can actually afford $1k or more on this. Like Lawyers/ Dentists/ Doctors/ Manufacturers etc.

      Regards
      AB
      So that's $200/month per customer on SEO. You have any idea how you are going to spend that?

      $200/mo is really not that much and they do have certain expectations when paying $1k/month, expectations that probably go beyond a budget of $200,-, just saying.

      For example if you plan to rank them with a PBN, a solid PR4 domain alone already costs $200,-+, then there is the cost of content, employees to set it up / make it look real and what not as that's what they at least expect when paying $1k+

      And they expect results fast, they ain't gonna wait 1 year for results so that approach of 1 domain per month wouldn't even work.

      It's great to dream but you have to be realistic. Getting clients is one thing, which will prove very hard at that price tag, keeping clients is a whole different thing and as an SEO myself for the last 2.5 years, it's not only about your service, it's also about the current state their website is in, eg currently active penalties caused by previous providers or their selves. All play a large role on their subscription length.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    And My Idea is also like this

    Hire a professional team working 4 hours a day ( collectively)... for $999 per month. They will be THEIR "TEAM". Offshore. @999 per month.

    We will ensure best staff and white hat practices. We will ensure that we dont guarantee anything while we do best for ranking them.

    We are actually NOT looking for individuals/companies who are making less than 15-20k per month. We are looking for companies having staff / expenses and budget.

    Regards
    AB
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      And My Idea is also like this

      Hire a professional team working 4 hours a day ( collectively)... for $999 per month. They will be THEIR "TEAM". Offshore. @999 per month.

      We will ensure best staff and white hat practices. We will ensure that we dont guarantee anything while we do best for ranking them.

      We are actually NOT looking for individuals/companies who are making less than 15-20k per month. We are looking for companies having staff / expenses and budget.

      Regards
      AB
      $1k/month TEAM per client that pays $1k/month, makes sense

      I do start to get a good idea of what you're planning to do, a whole bunch of Indian outsourcing companies placing bookmarks, links on web directories, guestposts, web2.0's and all manually, and thus "whitehat", right?

      Perhaps it works out for you, but not so much for your clients I'm afraid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    $200 does not include a LOT of content/links

    it just includes

    1. Daily forum/blog posting
    2. Directory submissions
    3. Few articles per month
    4. 1-2 youtube video's per month
    5. All other SEO activities where we dont have to pay third parties.

    I understand cost may be more and we will adjust things accordingly. My point is

    1. Only freelancers can do SEO in 200-500 budget and it will not be very successful for both client and freelancer
    2. even $1k budget is not much if client want to actively work on SEO. We will have to optimize expenses. Our profits may be very low at start ( or may be losses)
    3. Market is weak as i see a LOT of companies asking 200-500 per month. And that is why this discussion is.
    4. I want to give value to client while educating them what they should expect ( this is very important)
    5. We are looking for long term clients and NOT looking for someone hoping a rank in 1st month.

    I dont know how much it is possible. But we have to be realistic on delivery and expenses things. There are EXPENSES at backend which client have to bear and there are reality about delivery which client have to understand. We have to ensure best level of services and management at our end.

    Regards
    AB
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      $200 does not include a LOT of content/links

      it just includes

      1. Daily forum/blog posting
      2. Directory submissions
      3. Few articles per month
      4. 1-2 youtube video's per month
      5. All other SEO activities where we dont have to pay third parties.
      Maybe you misunderstood my question so once again.

      What are you going to do to increase their rankings in Google as the things you just mentioned won't accomplish that or in such way that it's hardly noticable.

      You really think businesses are going to pay a thousand dollar a month to cover all your expenses and end up with some crappy links?
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    Nik0

    if it is not working for my clients.. it will not be working for me in longer terms. Dont you think 4 hours daily ( collective) of team doing whitehat SEO will give results to clients? While we maintain best expertise/tools/procedures at company level.

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    AB
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    Nik0

    We will do all whitehat techniques and NO TRICK. We are not going to something extra ordinary otherthan doing consistent work for their keywords and whatever is needed and i believe that is called whitehat SEO. We will keep it as an ongoing process. It will be ideal for company like below

    You own a lawyer/dentist firm and we will keep making content/ doing link building and all other things. We will be blogging/ forum posting/ doing link building and all stuff..

    Ideal client should not expect something happening real soon. We are not going to guarantee anything except expert and whitehat work.

    Add your suggestions. What will client expect and what we should do to achieve this.

    Regards
    AB
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      Nik0

      We will do all whitehat techniques and NO TRICK. We are not going to something extra ordinary otherthan doing consistent work for their keywords and whatever is needed and i believe that is called whitehat SEO. We will keep it as an ongoing process. It will be ideal for company like below

      You own a lawyer/dentist firm and we will keep making content/ doing link building and all other things. We will be blogging/ forum posting/ doing link building and all stuff..

      Ideal client should not expect something happening real soon. We are not going to guarantee anything except expert and whitehat work.

      Add your suggestions. What will client expect and what we should do to achieve this.

      Regards
      AB
      Lol, it gets even more funny now.

      You want me to tell you what to do for your clients.

      Launching a multi million dollar company based on forum posting. blogging and "all link building stuff"

      Keep on dreaming mate
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    haha..

    I am not SEO expert. I am at business development. My partner is SEO expert and as i said.. i am not planning to do anything extra ordinary however i plan to do everything consistent and whitehat. A simple consistent outsourcing company.

    AB
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      haha..

      I am not SEO expert.
      QUOTED FOR TRUTH



      My partner is SEO expert
      QUOTED FOR LYING

      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post


      1. Daily forum/blog posting
      2. Directory submissions
      3. Few articles per month
      4. 1-2 youtube video's per month
      5. All other SEO activities where we dont have to pay third parties.

      I understand cost may be more and we will adjust things accordingly.
      I am sure lawyers, doctors and other professionals will line up to pay $12,000 per year for those great never been thought of before revolutionary SEO strategies

      OP thanks....funniest thread in a long time
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      THIS POST is for dreamers. And i personally know few people in India who have built a business in a year generating $10-25M per year.
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      $200 does not include a LOT of content/links

      it just includes

      1. Daily forum/blog posting
      2. Directory submissions
      3. Few articles per month
      4. 1-2 youtube video's per month
      5. All other SEO activities where we dont have to pay third parties.
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      haha..

      I am not SEO expert.






      You said it, dreamers.

      Fiverr gig reseller [meh].
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  • Profile picture of the author FreedomBlogger
    There are always going to be clients! .. that is not a problem at all!

    Abundance baby!!

    Now, it is not going to be easy to get that many clients, that is for sure.

    Everything in the online business will need hard work! ...thats it!

    I hope this helps!

    I wish you the best of the best!!

    Cheers!
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    If you have proven SEO skills and clients can see ROI with your input then I can't see any reason you increase your client base to 100's


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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    I love criticism here and Mike Anthony seems to be astrologer along with loser in life. You don't dream and you don't have hope.

    Rest when I am posting this, I am selling web design. Close to 400 clients in 8 months. And 6 Seo clients out of those paying more than 1k.

    I am here to discuss and get insight. Which I am getting that how frustrated are few people.

    Still love all response .

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      I don't care who wins the latest rant but the thread subject is a joke considering your going on about fiverr gig type stuff that's not even SEO related, it's a list of junk. Then you act like some quality SEO is going to happen all the while you say your not an SEO, your pimping out 3rd world hacks (again, list of junk you posted).

      Did you expect anything less than to be called out on the nonsense?

      If you want people to take you serious start posting comments that don't scream ripoff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      I love criticism here and Mike Anthony seems to be astrologer along with loser in life. You don't dream and you don't have hope.
      Yawn....you can dream about other things than just fleecing as many people as you can. You can dream about how to put together the best SEO so that you can charge $1,000 and grow your rep. You didn't start a thread about that.

      You came in here with ideas of how you could bag hundreds of customers for $1000 a month each even though you don't know squat about what it is you would be bagging them for.

      Thats why your thread got and gets no respect. No one believes anything you say about anything after you listed out SEO tactics from the 1990s

      Astrology? No. Accurate about what it was you were able to provide? Yep.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    I understand criticism and all this fun going on. Still question is

    1. Is it doable?
    2. Is it doable by me? A lot of losers will be happy to say "NO" because they could not do anything and dont want to do as well.
    3. This thread is bombarded by ebook buyers and probably sellers. Few good guys here though.
    4. I understand getting this thing done is Difficult so was getting 400 clients paying average $1200-1300 in 8 months.
    5. I see Mike is selling something for $49.. and i am sure he did not sell first 49 copies of whatever he is selling. I Understand and feel the pain.
    6. I CAN DO it. And it is not even near to impossible. I came here because i still think there are guys who dream and do big ( bigger than buying/selling ebooks).
    7. If you cannot add value/ positive criticism, you are not welcome to suggest anything.
    8. I am looking forward to ways to do it. and i saw Mike think India has no value... from every big bank to facebook to yahoo to google to microsoft or whatever... they have big development offices in India.
    9. Most of criticism are from people who see SEO as $49-200 buck service and IT IS NOT that cheap. Even consultation about SEO should cost $$$$.

    Add value or positive criticism. Do not please derail subject. and Thanks

    Regards
    AB
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      I understand criticism and all this fun going on. Still question is

      1. Is it doable?
      2. Is it doable by me? A lot of losers will be happy to say "NO" because they could not do anything and don't want to do as well
      Nope as has been well established by the SEO link packages you talked about its because you don't have a clue about SEO

      . This thread is bombarded by ebook buyers and probably sellers. Few good guys here though.
      and one wannabe SEO that wants to charge a $1000 per to as many people as he can but doesn't know SEO. Don't forget that guy. He started the thread


      5. I see Mike is selling something for $49.. and i am sure he did not sell first 49 copies of whatever he is selling. I Understand and feel the pain
      I understand and feel your pain at being English illiterate. I sell a TRIAL for $49. Actually PBNs sell for $497 but perhaps you don't understand numbers either. Meanwhile let me show you the way to the silly corner. People sell here what sells here. Those of us who charge good money for SEO do no advertise that part of our business here because its not the place for it NOT because they do not charge higher than $200/month.


      7. If you cannot add value/ positive criticism, you are not welcome to suggest anything.
      When you own the forum it will matter what you welcome
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        8. I am looking forward to ways to do it. and i saw Mike think India has no value... from every big bank to facebook to yahoo to google to microsoft or whatever... they have big development offices in India.

        I at no point said that India has no value. I know very many smart Indians. My favorite Programming teachers are Indians (they just get down to business without all the tech talk..freaking refreshing). Despite that I see strong evidence that very few of the smart ones are the ones offering SEO services. Generally speaking most Indian SEOs talk like you when it comes to SEO. They are still operating on SEO knowledge of three and four years ago. They offer garbage SEO calling manual link spam white hat link building because they place the spam manually.

        I am African American but that doesn't mean I am going to deny that a lot of fraud come out Nigeria and though it has nothing to do with race or country I am not going to deny that many SEOs out of India I have met don't know what they are doing.

        9. Most of criticism are from people who see SEO as $49-200 buck service and IT IS NOT that cheap. Even consultation about SEO should cost $$$$.
        You don't know anything about the people here. Most of the senior members here criticizing this thread think anything below $500 is DIRT CHEAP. Its not the price that has them criticizing you its that you don't know what you are doing but want to get hundreds of people to give you a thousand dollars a month to do what you don't know how to do.
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        • Profile picture of the author deezn
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I at no point said that India has no value. I know very many smart Indians. My favorite Programming teachers are Indians (they just get down to business without all the tech talk..freaking refreshing). Despite that I see strong evidence that very few of the smart ones are the ones offering SEO services. Generally speaking most Indian SEOs talk like you when it comes to SEO. They are still operating on SEO knowledge of three and four years ago. They offer garbage SEO calling manual link spam white hat link building because they place the spam manually.

          I am African American but that doesn't mean I am going to deny that a lot of fraud come out Nigeria and though it has nothing to do with race or country I am not going to deny that many SEOs out of India I have met don't know what they are doing.



          You don't know anything about the people here. Most of the senior members here criticizing this thread think anything below $500 is DIRT CHEAP. Its not the price that has them criticizing you its that you don't know what you are doing but want to get hundreds of people to give you a thousand dollars a month to do what you don't know how to do.
          Having never seen your face I always just pictured the guy in your avvy as you, with your accent (which I can't place). The info in bold just threw those visuals all out of the window now
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by deezn View Post

            Having never seen your face I always just pictured the guy in your avvy as you, with your accent (which I can't place). The info in bold just threw those visuals all out of the window now

            My parents were all over the place when I was younger so I picked up a little here and a little there with accents. Lol..the guy behind the test tubes in my avatar is a stock photo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      I understand criticism and all this fun going on. Still question is

      1. Is it doable?
      2. Is it doable by me? A lot of losers will be happy to say "NO" because they could not do anything and dont want to do as well.
      3. This thread is bombarded by ebook buyers and probably sellers. Few good guys here though.
      4. I understand getting this thing done is Difficult so was getting 400 clients paying average $1200-1300 in 8 months.
      5. I see Mike is selling something for $49.. and i am sure he did not sell first 49 copies of whatever he is selling. I Understand and feel the pain.
      6. I CAN DO it. And it is not even near to impossible. I came here because i still think there are guys who dream and do big ( bigger than buying/selling ebooks).
      7. If you cannot add value/ positive criticism, you are not welcome to suggest anything.
      8. I am looking forward to ways to do it. and i saw Mike think India has no value... from every big bank to facebook to yahoo to google to microsoft or whatever... they have big development offices in India.
      9. Most of criticism are from people who see SEO as $49-200 buck service and IT IS NOT that cheap. Even consultation about SEO should cost $$$$.

      Add value or positive criticism. Do not please derail subject. and Thanks

      Regards
      AB
      Everything is possible buddy.

      But all the books in the world don't create success in itself. It's the ability to comprehend and understand the knowledge in a way, that best fits the current search algo's bias. Some people know what that is, most people don't. People here don't think you do, but that's beside the point.

      The higher you go in terms of pricing and service, the lower the percentage profit should be.

      Going for say $1000 a month.
      You shouldn't be looking for anymore then 20-25% of that as profit. For anything over $5000, no more then 15%.

      Take Mike Anthony's signature for example. I think he sells 10-12 site ESN's (The new PBNS) for a little over $400. Now you could easily, find a local SEO client for $1000 and resell him 2 of Mikes plans each month. Do some kind of better deal with Mike for bulk orders even.

      So yeah it's fairly easy if you do have good leads. The concerns where made by others, that your idea of Good SEO, is actually everyone's idea of really really bad SEO. If your Expert friend, really was an "Expert" he would know this. He is probably lying to you. I'd ask to see proof of earning before going into business with him.

      If you learn whats works, and look at things a bit more long term. Reselling SEO can be very profitable indeed. Go big or go home.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      I understand criticism and all this fun going on. Still question is

      1. Is it doable?
      2. Is it doable by me? A lot of losers will be happy to say "NO" because they could not do anything and dont want to do as well.
      3. This thread is bombarded by ebook buyers and probably sellers. Few good guys here though.
      4. I understand getting this thing done is Difficult so was getting 400 clients paying average $1200-1300 in 8 months.
      5. I see Mike is selling something for $49.. and i am sure he did not sell first 49 copies of whatever he is selling. I Understand and feel the pain.
      6. I CAN DO it. And it is not even near to impossible. I came here because i still think there are guys who dream and do big ( bigger than buying/selling ebooks).
      7. If you cannot add value/ positive criticism, you are not welcome to suggest anything.
      8. I am looking forward to ways to do it. and i saw Mike think India has no value... from every big bank to facebook to yahoo to google to microsoft or whatever... they have big development offices in India.
      9. Most of criticism are from people who see SEO as $49-200 buck service and IT IS NOT that cheap. Even consultation about SEO should cost $$$$.

      Add value or positive criticism. Do not please derail subject. and Thanks

      Regards
      AB
      We all make wrong assumptions sometimes and I assumed you were supposed to be the SEO expert, which is not the case, and that's fine.

      As for Indian companies, two weeks ago I was talking with an Indian based web development company and the person for sales inquiries was the owner as well. He was very professional and got me a professional website mockup in only 2-3 hours and it looked awesome.

      I gave him half a word of how I wanted it, simply cause the idea just popped up in my mind hours before and I had no idea how to fill it up really. The next day he worked out a complete plan, I went over it, made some suggestions/adjustments where needed and we were ready to roll. Not very cheap, $3500 for everything together with a $1k pre-payment and the rest in milestones.

      That was one hell of an experience and normally I wouldn't recommend companies in India but he changed my view quite a bit. His English wasn't great but his idea's / plan / design was top notch. We talked a bit on the personal front as well and told me he regularly employs managers from the US and he pays his programmers $1500+/month, that's quite a bit of money in India, though nothing compared to programmer salaries in the states of course.

      As for doing SEO for clients in the $1k+ range/month.

      Build them a private network, don't use other people's services for that but train your own staff to do it or hire someone that can teach them the ropes. That way you're always cheaper off and budget is important here, there are quite a few guides around how to analyze domains (for example the guide from Mike Friedman) so you can easily do this in-house. There's not much magic involved, it's mostly time consuming though if you train your people properly you can use cheap staff for that, just make them follow a step by step list that they stick to.

      Those guides will also tell you to avoid SEO hosting or hosting that looks like SEO hosting (eg reseller hostings with multiple IP's) as those carry an extra risk of deindexation as they're on Google's radar.

      For clients that pay even more you can consider link outreach campaigns, eg creating epic content and making others aware of it. I suppose that's a bit of a hit or miss and clients demand results so starting with a private blog network based on high PR expired domains is the first thing you should think of. All the other things you listed like forum participation, blog comments, web directories are pretty much a waste of effort. There are a few good directories though.

      Besides this whole PBN thing, there are also companies that can get you featured at sites like Huffingtonpost, Forbes, BusinessInsider, Examiner and other large authority sites, these links can easily cost up to $1000/link though and mostly start somewhere around $100,- but it does bring some real solid links to the table.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    I used to be an SEO consultant and started (early 2000's) at £250 a month (about $400).

    I worked as an SEO for about a decade and by the end was charging over $3,000 a month and those clients took a LOT of time to manage. Note manage, not do the actual SEO work (the SEO work was easy), but manage their expectations which is a waste of an SEO's time that would be better spent building links etc...

    More you charge, more they expect quickly and though $1,000 a month isn't at the high end of SEO services, it's high enough to expect some serious ROI and what you have discussed will not offer a serious ROI.

    The services you've mentioned are the low end of SEO services, for $1,000 a month you should be at least gaining reasonable PR one way links that look natural, suggesting linkbait that works: for example creating products that webmasters use that automatically add a link to client sites including infographics, WordPress themes targeting a clients niche with a single home page link back to your clients site... This is time consuming, expensive work that requires certain skills AND it doesn't give fast results anymore.

    I find my time is better spent promoting my own sites than selling my skills to promote others. Don't have to waste so much time managing expectations and hand holding/explaining basic SEO and why it takes time to build traffic.

    I was recently offered $500 a month to chat with someone via email regarding SEO, was just chatting and answering SEO questions few times a month, turned it down (not worth the hassle). Almost setup a partnership with them that could have taken a 6 million visitor a month site to significantly more traffic (think it would have doubled traffic, their off-site SEO is great, their on-site SEO is shit), but it fell through.

    Adding forum posts has no direct SEO value (nofollow links) and is worth the $5 most people charge for it. Learns some SEO before trying to offer SEO services.

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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    Excellent advice David. And I think people expect that I should be expert at Seo and should find New strategies to do Seo . As said I know basic stuff and I am into business. In web designing I have built a business , adding around 40-50 new clients a month when I am neither a coder nor a salesman. My job is to find market and manage sales. And I am Good at that.
    And you are first person here who talks 4 figure to provide Seo. My question is getting answered here that if we have nice presentation of what we will be doing and we do actually good, There is enough market to create big business.

    Eventually you have to use cheap labour while maintaining professionalism. In no way, someone can do professional Seo in 1k per month in western countries when they have expenses like marketing / sales / management . I know few companies are charging more than $10k per month like orangesoda.com. So I am learning that

    Market is there
    Competition is there
    People pay
    1k is cheap if they expect quality
    And thanks for taking time writing above.

    Regards
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      Excellent advice David. And I think people expect that I should be expert at Seo and should find New strategies to do Seo . As said I know basic stuff and I am into business. In web designing I have built a business , adding around 40-50 new clients a month when I am neither a coder nor a salesman. My job is to find market and manage sales. And I am Good at that.
      And you are first person here who talks 4 figure to provide Seo. My question is getting answered here that if we have nice presentation of what we will be doing and we do actually good, There is enough market to create big business.

      Eventually you have to use cheap labour while maintaining professionalism. In no way, someone can do professional Seo in 1k per month in western countries when they have expenses like marketing / sales / management . I know few companies are charging more than $10k per month like orangesoda.com. So I am learning that

      Market is there
      Competition is there
      People pay
      1k is cheap if they expect quality
      And thanks for taking time writing above.

      Regards
      AB
      If you can convert 50 businesses a month to buy a $1,000 a month SEO package that's $50,000 the first month.

      If you are very good at SEO you'll retain clients for at least a year and if very good for years: I had clients for well over 5 years, my worst period (loosing clients) was during the world economic crisis when business cut back on advertising etc... and as I had a fair number of travel clients which was badly hit, lost a lot during that period, but during the normal times 3 years retention wasn't unusual.

      If SEO clients stay with you for even just 1 year, in 12 months you'd have 6,000 clients paying $1,000 month each, that's $6 million a month or $72 million a year.

      In reality you'd need a huge business to manage 6,000 clients, the email and phone support alone would require a dedicated team working 24/7, 365 days a year (assume you would be international).

      Your numbers aren't realistic.
      You don't have the skills to generate traffic to clients (you don't understand SEO).
      You don't know enough about SEO to create a service that will retain clients long term.

      To stack the deck in my favour I turned down the vast majority of potential clients, only took on businesses I was sure I could give a decent ROI because otherwise I'd spend 6 months managing expectations/hand holding, before they dropped the service because it was taking too long.

      The real money is when you have clients hooked for over a year, managing those clients is far easier when you've already made them a load of extra search engine traffic and they are happy to maintain it: as long as the traffic remains steady or increases they pay the fees and barely bother you for updates etc...

      David
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

        The real money is when you have clients hooked for over a year, managing those clients is far easier when you've already made them a load of extra search engine traffic and they are happy to maintain it: as long as the traffic remains steady or increases they pay the fees and barely bother you for updates etc...

        David
        Didn't you have a lot of clients that forgot about the initial value you offered.

        Eg rankings maintained for many months but didn't really increase cause they already ranked at #1 for example.

        Giving them the feeling, "Hey I'm at #1 already, why do I keep on paying?"

        I've personally seen that quite a lot really.
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Didn't you have a lot of clients that forgot about the initial value you offered.

          Eg rankings maintained for many months but didn't really increase cause they already ranked at #1 for example.

          Giving them the feeling, "Hey I'm at #1 already, why do I keep on paying?"

          I've personally seen that quite a lot really.
          No, because they needed the links to maintain those rankings and I controlled the websites where most of their best links came from.

          Consider the impact of loosing hundreds of PR3+ backlinks over night, these were backlinks with few links on the page (note our other discussion about how to link to client sites, low number of links on the pages linked to clients).

          Once the full power of the backlinks kicked in which in the early days was a few months, later ~9-12 months they were hooked for years.

          Only time I lost lots of clients was the economic crisis.

          It's the first 6 months hand holding that's the time consuming part, or was for me anyway.

          Find something that locks your clients in long term, be in control of their rankings so they need you. If you built niched themes for example with a client link in the footer, you'd make it clear when they stop paying the links go away. Pretty easy to do, with WordPress for example even if you can't add the theme to the WP repository you can add a custom theme updater (update from one of your servers), when the client stops paying you push an update out with a minor theme change and that includes the footer link. Webmasters will use the same theme for years and though they won't all update, plenty do.

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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

            No, because they needed the links to maintain those rankings and I controlled the websites where most of their best links came from.

            Consider the impact of loosing hundreds of PR3+ backlinks over night, these were backlinks with few links on the page (note our other discussion about how to link to client sites, low number of links on the pages linked to clients).

            Once the full power of the backlinks kicked in which in the early days was a few months, later ~9-12 months they were hooked for years.

            Only time I lost lots of clients was the economic crisis.

            It's the first 6 months hand holding that's the time consuming part, or was for me anyway.

            Find something that locks your clients in long term, be in control of their rankings so they need you. If you built niched themes for example with a client link in the footer, you'd make it clear when they stop paying the links go away. Pretty easy to do, with WordPress for example even if you can't add the theme to the WP repository you can add a custom theme updater (update from one of your servers), when the client stops paying you push an update out with a minor theme change and that includes the footer link. Webmasters will use the same theme for years and though they won't all update, plenty do.

            David
            And I suppose they were aware that the links would be removed in case they cancelled?

            Here on this forum they yell murder and fire when the links are removed when the client cancels his subscription and many of the clients ask these type of questions in the sales thread, eg they want permanent high PR links for a lifetime for a one time price.

            In the past we offered permanent links, though not permanent on the homepage obviously, but then the rankings just slowly declined.

            Nowadays the most important / strongest links I offer are based on a rental concept (partly rent to buy) and with the slight increased prices I can't make a single sale anymore lol. Not that it matters that much as I use the open spots to rank my own affiliate sites instead.

            I started a sales thread about this a couple of weeks ago in the main section, business dwindling what to do, I received some great suggestions like starting a weekly webinar with live case studies backed by paid advertising campaigns on Facebook targetting a certain group. For the rest the shared opinion is that most of the visitors here don't have profitable sites and thus it would be very expensive for them to shell out $200/month. If most start like that it's no surprise that 99 percent of the wannabee IM'ers fail but well.

            The webinar was a great idea, but I don't really feel much for doing all that, I can better just focus on my own affiliate sites and some new product launches that I'm busy with.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    You could spend less money on marketing If you focused on retaining clients (learn SEO).

    As soon as a client figures out they're getting fiverr gigs, you'll be looking for the next client.

    Repeat traffic/buyers are 100 times easier to monetize than new traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    Thanks Nik0

    And I completely understand that 90% of small Indian freelancers does not add any value. Reason being charging your clients peanuts. India is cheaper but not free. You cannot hire some professional for less than $1k and probably more. A five year experience fetch like 2-3k if he is good at programming. Company cost on that employee will be 3.5-4k per month.

    Most of western clients think that they will pay 200 to somebody in india and will get excellent work . This is not going to happen anytime. I have few web development clients who wants money back after website done because they have changed their mind and they can think like so because they know we are from India and they think we are just free.
    We don't outsource. We hire , train, educate and sell. It all costs a lot of money . One can save 30-50% cost if they want to match quality with Indian company. You buy some Seo/ web design for 300-500 and then complain, it's your fault. Nobody in india can deliver quality for 200-500.

    I appreciate all your words. Problem is those who suggested above wanted to see me as a freelancer Seo guy which I am not.

    Thanks

    AB
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    When I wrote about blog posting and forum posting, I really did not mean we will be limited to that . And as I said i am not expert but a business developer. I just knew that was a part of game and I wrote. And people think I am gonna charge 999 for just blog posting.

    We will actually make a project plan and present it to client and consistently implement for next 6 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    And I am in capital of india today to find sales team for $1-1.5k plus incentives and I will be happy if I get 1-2 good guys who am sell. And there is approx 1k other cost involved with every employee
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  • Profile picture of the author Hudson White
    I don't think it's that much easy now as it was earlier. Those who are into this niche since long know the condition of market better. Moreover, I will suggest you to move slowly and smartly. A single wrong step can make big disaster.

    All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    If you haven`t any JV partners collecting so many clients may takes you couple of years ...
    Only by cooperating with others who are for example webdesigners, paying them the comission you can acquire hundreds of clients. This is what I do.

    Earnings: well, it all depends on the niche and your agreement with the client, you can earn 300$/month as well as 10000/month per client
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    This thread should probably really die at this point.

    Here's the bottom line. It is absolutely possible (although highly unlikely). I've coached a couple of people that within 12-18 months had their SEO businesses pulling in $20-50k in sales a month.

    But you need to offer a better quality service than what you described in this thread. What you described is not going to rank anybody for anything the least bit competitive, and actually has a good chance of getting their website penalized in the future. You also did nothing to distinguish between SEO projects and local SEO projects.

    The other problem with having a bunch of salespeople out there is will they have any clue how to distinguish competition and price the services accordingly? It takes a lot more work to rank a restaurant in New York City than it does in Clarion, PA.

    My worry with the service you are describing is you are going to have salespeople making promises at price ranges in which you cannot deliver results. That is of course once you actually figure out an SEO service that is worth paying for, unlike the services you described in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    Hi Mike

    1. You think it is doable and i am happy to hear that.
    2. Secnodly, i am business development guy. And i have written that whatever i will be selling should have long term value for my client. I am assuming that we will be giving best possible service in budget prescribed. and this thread was mainly to see if there is market available. I personally dont have SEO skills.

    Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author deezn
    Oh yeah I know it's a stock photo. But without a visual that's just what got associated. Lol.

    And yes, $500 is cheap for SEO ... especially in my niche. Where you can charge people thousands.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweezeter
    I just really hope you can DELIVER results. Anyone can talk the talk and sell SEO. Selling SEO isn't what's hard, anyone can do it. The problems exist when people start SEO companies and sell the dream and never follow through.

    That's what gives the rest of us a bad name. Be sure you know what you are doing before you start a company. Selling is always the easy part.
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    I think you can get this money per month.
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