What Backlinks are valid these days - Post Penguin 3.0

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Okay guys, need some help.

I got battered by Penguin in 2012.
6 websites of mine got wiped out by Penguin. Tried like crazy to recover these sites. Didn't succeed. Gave up...until now.

Trying to make an SEO comeback.
Built a brand new site, brand new domain registered in October.
Got some content on board now, then the new Penguin 3.0 was rolled out coincidentally. New site doesn't look affected although I don't really have any rankings yet to speak about.

I have learnt my lessons to tread carefully with Google. I'm trying to be very careful NOT to offend Big G...again.
Reading about those affected by the new Penguin updates, it seems as though low quality backlinks are a problem...

Which begs the question...What is a low quality backlink in the eyes of the new Penguin update?

My research seems to indicate the following are considered low quality backlinks:
Forum profile links
Blog commenting
Article directories
Social bookmarking
Web directory submissions
RSS feed directory submissions

So what kind of backlinks are considered good these days?
I understand PBNs are good but of course they carry risks too and for a brand new site, not so sure.

Not sure what kind of backlinks to get now for my new site. At the moment I have none other than the facebook page and twitter account linked to the site.

Need advice as to the "safe backlinks that work these days" in the eyes of Big G vis-a-vis latest update.
Thanks guys
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  • Profile picture of the author FraidNot
    Great question and I'm looking forward to reading the responses from some of the more seasoned warriors. I don't have any definitive answers for you, but I have always subscribed to the rule of copy websites with high rankings back link profile. Use one of the many tools available to check a websites back links and check sites with first page rankings. Chances are their links are safe (for now).
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyFeet
      FraidNot, your suggestion sounds like a good strategy.
      One enigma though is that Google likes link diversity, but if you discount those so-called low quality links, you aren't left with a lot of diversity to work with.
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyFeet
      Project, I'm all for good content.
      In fact every article on my new site has a minimum of 900 words and I mean good content. Not some crappy stuff. I am thinking long term. That's why I want to tread carefully because I've been burnt by Big G before and I don't want a repeat of 2012 events.

      Naturally gained backlinks are easier said than done. If you have been online for a while you will realise how true this is. That's the reason webmasters become proactive in seeking backlinks. In doing so we sometimes put a foot wrong here and there.
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    • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
      Originally Posted by Project View Post

      naturally gained backlinks
      There are many people in the industry keep saying this, but are they really doing it? When we said naturally gained back links, meaning someone give you this link without asking it. If this is our strategy in link building we eat dust behind our competitors.

      We do Outreaching , PBN's, press release, and even those so called low quality links source to in crease our back link and chance to rank higher than our competitor. We all knew that they were not acquired naturally, but we are trying to convince our selves that we are doing it naturally .

      At the end of the day, still your strategy vs the strategy of your competitor. We can not rely on naturally gained back links, but we can create a back links that will look natural to the eye of engine bots .
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    Most low quality backlinks are backlinks built with automated link building tools like GSA and Xrumer. Those backlink sources you listed are not all low quality backlink sources depending on the way they are created. For example, a comment backlink on a relevant blog is not a low quality link (they are usually nofollow though). A link on DMOZ directory is a high quality link.
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  • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
    If you're scared of your shadow when it comes to backlinks then I'd suggest changing your perspective from link building to link earning. It then gives you new goals to focus on that might break you free of your mental shock and PTSD related to Penguin.

    Other than that, if you're still into link building then you will just have to accept some risk. It comes with this game. It's hard to tell you what to do until you are comfortable with the idea of risk, as minimal as it can be.
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    • Profile picture of the author Norveilex
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      If you're scared of your shadow when it comes to backlinks then I'd suggest changing your perspective from link building to link earning. It then gives you new goals to focus on that might break you free of your mental shock and PTSD related to Penguin.

      Other than that, if you're still into link building then you will just have to accept some risk. It comes with this game. It's hard to tell you what to do until you are comfortable with the idea of risk, as minimal as it can be.
      I like how you called it "link earning". That's probably the best way I've heard describe it. This is the best way of thinking about it in the long term.
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  • Profile picture of the author Garret1
    try to get links through social media. These days i just try to write a good article and submit it to the right social media sites. If its a good article it will usually attract some links on its own.
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyFeet
      Originally Posted by Garret1 View Post

      try to get links through social media. These days i just try to write a good article and submit it to the right social media sites. If its a good article it will usually attract some links on its own.
      Garret1. Nice suggestion.
      What social media sites would you suggest are best for this purpose?
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      • Profile picture of the author Garret1
        Originally Posted by HappyFeet View Post

        Garret1. Nice suggestion.
        What social media sites would you suggest are best for this purpose?
        It definitely depends on your niche. For example,if you were promoting an internet marketing site, you would submit to different social sites than if you were promoting a weight loss page.

        I really like twitter. Try building up alot of followers who are interested in your niche, then when you write a new article, you can send it out to your twitter followers and many times you will get re-tweets, links, etc.
        Here are some twitter follower building tips from an article i just wrote:
        How to get Traffic From Twitter | Jobs From Home Review

        There are also site like blogengage, bizsugar for internet marketing where you can submit your content. It has to be good content or it wont work.

        Also for a female demo, you might try pinterest.

        I also like some facebook groups and reddit. Just join as many FB groups with alot of members and post your content. If its good it will usually be re-shared.

        For reddit you have to find the right sub-reddit. People are really picky aboutwhat they vote for on reddit. If they think you are trying to sell to them in any way they will downvote your site.
        try it and let me know how it goes
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by HappyFeet View Post

    Forum profile links
    Blog commenting
    Article directories
    Social bookmarking
    Web directory submissions
    RSS feed directory submissions
    Penguin has nothing to do with it.
    Those were lousy backlinks before, during, and after any
    google update.

    So, why not go out and get backlinks that are not those?

    Makes sense to me!

    Where?

    That's funny too. I have been telling people for years how to generate
    good backlinks. If people had actually started years ago, well, they
    would not be in the google-update boat, constantly bailing water.

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  • Profile picture of the author dawoodkhan97
    As all gurus say : "Content is King"
    Produce a high quality article and do ON Site Seo of your site and after this focus on making back links..
    Works best for me!
    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author massiveray
    again and again and again, learn the word outreach, if you're going after links you need to learn how to communicate with actual people.
    "So not a single person on this thread so far knows what outreach is?

    Most of the things you guys have mentioned have been ineffective forms of link building for years.

    Social as the future of SEO, bullshit, the future to anybody with eyes and a brain is paid platforms, Facebook and google are both moving their services more and more towards paid discovery, however you can't concentrate on the future NOW.

    To build backlinks now (taking away the PBN option):
    Do some research into your target market, who are they? What sites are they visiting now?
    Create something of value to them that doesn't already exist on the sites they visit, this is your asset
    Approach the sites they visit via email, phone or even snail mail if you have to
    Tell them about your asset and that it might interest their viewers
    Ask them to link to it

    Then repeat the process for other areas that might be of interest to your target market, are there any transferable traffic options? For example a guy who is interested in books, will also be interested in ebooks, ebook readers, pdf's and other forms of material that he can read if it is sold to him in the right way by someone he trusts.

    This is how you link build, this is how link building has worked since 1998 and it's still the same, things just get added and taken away here and there.

    FYI read my blog post below, it tells you how to do this in a less targeted but still "safe" way.

    But keep in mind that what I have said above is a form of link building that will always be effective until link building as an activity becomes ineffective.

    Do it for the benefit of the person who will click your link and you won't go wrong.

    Back up this with a few PBN links and you'll pretty much rank anything with the exception of gambling, porn and personal loans site. If you wanna rank for them then you better start to learn how to write Linux linking scripts and other super shady activities."
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  • Profile picture of the author nestpillmart
    1st think is your content should be unique for blog and art. so you can easily get backlinks. social bookmarking very helpful to gain backlinks, so daily work on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandboyz
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    After Penguine 3.0 the content is the most valuable part is SEO .
    1)Web 2.0
    2)Press release
    3)Guest Post
    4)PBN
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    There are no natural backlinks in SEO industry (((: google wants to belive the people will naturally link to you because of your content, but how often such things happens ? Rarely. The content must has a viral potential to get backlinks naturally, there are no other way and this is an also part of our job cos we are specialists who promote our clients businesses so we should figure out how to bring the traffic and write the content the viral way, so its not maybe a direct technique we can acquire backlinks but this way has a big potential too.
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyFeet
      Very nice suggestions guys.
      Some gems and nuggets to use.
      Attracting links naturally as Google prefers is hard.

      One has to literally go out to get them. Only problem is treading carefully.
      One thing is clear. Avoiding those low quality backlinks is the key. Low quality backlinks may work in the short term but you will always be looking over your shoulders every time Google announces an impending update.

      Good principles are always better than quick tactics.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    I don't post often, but most people in this thread should just close their accounts and get their day jobs back.

    The same regurgitated crap I seen in 2006. The same stupid advice parroted over and over again by people that have accomplished nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    I don't comprehend this getting hit by penguin because of such and such links..

    When every day I see long-term businesses push on through when using these tactics. Pushing through Penguin 2.0, 3.0 and beyond.

    Maybe your sites are also low quality and you're spamming the links to unworthy pages?

    Maybe that's what you need to look at this time round.. is it?
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyFeet
      @Stallion, you say the advice given on this thread is cr@p.
      Obviously you have an opinion which is nice.

      What isn't nice is you say the advice given is useless but you don't say what links are valid post-Penguin 3.0 from your point of view.

      You really haven't helped anybody with your comments. Having a rant is fine but it doesn't help anybody.
      Professing a sought after solution that you think works (given the question that was asked) is better use of your time.

      Your professed solution would help everyone whom you think is wrong and indeed everyone who reads this thread.

      So, let's hear it @Stallion.
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      • Profile picture of the author raiko
        Stallion is correct. A large percentage of posters are padding post counts in order to later add sig's to their posts, which they cannot do with low post counts. Others have read thousands of posts and feel as if they know what's are appropriate strategies but have not actually implemented them successfully.

        Unfortunately there is a far smaller percentage of posters that are actually successful at ranking pages. And, it is sometimes difficult to pry useful information out of them. Instead of posting a question and hoping they will chime in, it's better to figure out who they are and search the forum for all their past posts. Then you can get a better idea of their approach.

        The "Good Content" meme is laughable. I first got into SEO years back when I created a site which, at the time, was the best on the net. Soon after a few other sites moved into the niche. They all ranked below my site. Then someone came along and virtually copied everything I had created on my site. I first noticed it when they took my previous #1 ranking. I couldn't believe it. They just stole everything I had worked on and Google ranked them 1. That's when I learned about backlinks and the fact that Google doesn't really care about content so much.

        I see content in a different light now. I try to write controversial content. Lots of hyperbole. I try to write content that is in the same vein as the "shared videos" you see constantly circulating through facebook and youtube. Basically it's click baiting but, if done right, can result in quite a few good backlinks. It's difficult to do for some niches but with enough thought you can usually think of something. You can write a great article about the new model Tesla and it won't rank because you'll be competing against big sites that have the same content and far better link generating capability. If you write an article questioning whether explosions from electric car batteries or fuel cells will cause more deaths than Hurricane Katrina over the next few years well then that's something someone might link to. I think that's why infographics are so popular as well. Link bait.
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        • Profile picture of the author Stallion
          Originally Posted by raiko View Post

          I see content in a different light now. I try to write controversial content. Lots of hyperbole. I try to write content that is in the same vein as the "shared videos" you see constantly circulating through facebook and youtube. Basically it's click baiting but, if done right, can result in quite a few good backlinks. It's difficult to do for some niches but with enough thought you can usually think of something. You can write a great article about the new model Tesla and it won't rank because you'll be competing against big sites that have the same content and far better link generating capability. If you write an article questioning whether explosions from electric car batteries or fuel cells will cause more deaths than Hurricane Katrina over the next few years well then that's something someone might link to. I think that's why infographics are so popular as well. Link bait.
          Exactly. If you want to really boil down on what you're saying, it's simple: If no one gives a crap about your site (no one cares to link to you), why should Google?
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          • Profile picture of the author HappyFeet
            @Raiko, I get your point.
            Click baiting leading up to Link baiting is a good strategy.

            Bend the truth, just a little bit, enough to draw the much needed attention.
            Some good links should happen.

            Nice one!
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      • Profile picture of the author Stallion
        Originally Posted by HappyFeet View Post

        @Stallion, you say the advice given on this thread is cr@p.
        Obviously you have an opinion which is nice.

        What isn't nice is you say the advice given is useless but you don't say what links are valid post-Penguin 3.0 from your point of view.

        You really haven't helped anybody with your comments. Having a rant is fine but it doesn't help anybody.
        Professing a sought after solution that you think works (given the question that was asked) is better use of your time.

        Your professed solution would help everyone whom you think is wrong and indeed everyone who reads this thread.

        So, let's hear it @Stallion.
        This is the problem and this is why I rant. Anyone that has the great ultimate advice on backlink, making the big bucks, and running awesome websites aren't going to just throw it out here. If something is working for me, why would I tell anyone without mutual gain? Anyone with really awesome fast ranking easy to get backlink will see the method abused to destruction and then it works for no one.

        Like I said, the advice here is garbage. It's the same garbage people spout on forums a decade ago and in 10 years time, the same garbage will be shared.

        Anyone parroting it has not seen success because it's garbage.

        All we know is that Google likes "good" websites. I'll leave it up to you to figure out what "good" is. Google also likes "good" backlink. I'll leave it up to you to figure out what is "good". And I'll leave it up to you to figure how to get those "good" backlinks. No one is going to come onto some forum and tell you what you need to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author inspiretoday
    There are no straight answers to these. And there are so many suggestions and tips floating around for the G updates that it becomes difficult to segregate good from the bad. Whatever you do on your site, don't do for the search engines. Do for your audience and you will see results coming in. And stick to quality. Mediocore is history now.
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyFeet
      jonathan5005, I've seen your link.
      That post of yours is as old as they come.

      Maybe you didn't read the question that this thread is about.
      It's about valid links that Google will consider as reputable links today.
      Apart from Guest posting, all the methods you suggested in your blog post are low quality links and will not cut the mustard today.

      You need a fresher look at today's linking strategy and that's what this thread is about.
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