Will this be treated as duplicate content?

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My site has two major sections. Each has an intro page. The home page also contains the intro text for both sections. Is that a duplicate content issue?

The link structure for one section looks like this:
- Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro)
- - Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro/intro)
- - Page 1
- - Page 2
- - etc.

The reason that the intro is repeated is that many people will not click the top menu item and the content is important. Is this bad practice?
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  • Profile picture of the author nmwf
    Why not change the text (i.e., write diff intros for each section)?
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    • Profile picture of the author steveorg
      Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

      Why not change the text (i.e., write diff intros for each section)?
      The content will need regular maintenance. It would be an extra burden to edit twice as many pages so I'm hoping to avoid it.

      I fixed the second problem by making the first menu item just a heading without the link. So now the only issue is the home page.

      The home page has a bit of unique content and both intros so it essentially has over twice as much content as both intro pages. However, almost half the content is exactly the same as all of the content on one page and most of the other half is exactly the same as all of the content on another page.

      Is that playing with duplicate content fire?
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      • Profile picture of the author nmwf
        Originally Posted by steveorg View Post

        The home page has a bit of unique content and both intros so it essentially has over twice as much content as both intro pages. However, almost half the content is exactly the same as all of the content on one page and most of the other half is exactly the same as all of the content on another page.

        Is that playing with duplicate content fire?
        I believe some time ago that Matt Cutts addressed this very issue because of the way typical blogs work -- where the home page provides a summary of recent posts. His stance was that Google does not count this against you. Google's own blogspot platform works this way by default, so it looks like you're A-OK on that part. So moving the intros to the home page only was a smart thing to do.

        But if it's possible, you might want to shorten that "half" to "a third" just to be safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbwani
    Spinning the content might be the better option. The content will give same meaning but different wording. And avoid creating duplicate content in future as google will penalize for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author fugenxuae
    Yes it will treat has a duplicate or spam content so better you need to change your content..
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulGolf
      Better to write new contents for each and every pages of website. Divide keywords for pages and write contents separately.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by fugenxuae View Post

      Yes it will treat has a duplicate or spam content so better you need to change your content..
      Oh yeah. Sure. Don't quit your day job.

      What planet do you people live on?

      Every big site uses the same shtuff on a boatloads of pages.

      I wish duplicate content crapola would die. NOW!

      The lunacy surrounding this is just going beyond insane.

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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        The lunacy surrounding this is just going beyond insane.
        Indeed. I got request to remove a paragraph on a page, because very similar paragraph was on another page. And I got this from a established and well-known SEO company.

        If you pay attention to any blogs, many of the big names are carrying the same stale sales pitches thorough their sites. Doesn't seem to hurt them. And as other user posted above, Cutts says it's perfectly fine.

        Now, the issue at hand. I would not have exact same pages on the site. SEO is not even my first consideration, but keeping the structure tidy, and not confusing visitors or maintainers.

        I'm not sure which platform are you using, but most decent CMSes allow you to create custom links to the navi. I've done something like this in WordPress and a few other systems by just adding a custom link as the first sub menu link.

        If you can't do that, my second suggestion would be either jQuery (child's play to create extra navi item that only users can see) or redirect (technically add an extra page, but redirect everyone back to the real page). This last one is not optimal from SEO perspective, but you've missed the best suggestions already. Edit the menu if you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Why do you need an intro. page for an intro. page?
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  • Profile picture of the author Hemanth Malli
    Search engines will treat it as duplicate content or will be detected as spam text.. so it would be better to have unique and quality content in every page of website...
    If you are facing problems, you can make use of article spinner to rewrite the text...
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Hemanth Malli View Post

      Search engines will treat it as duplicate content or will be detected as spam text.. so it would be better to have unique and quality content in every page of website...
      If you are facing problems, you can make use of article spinner to rewrite the text...
      Lunacy.

      Originally Posted by InitialEffort View Post

      I'd definitely avoid adding the same content to 2 different pages to keep away from duplicate content issues.
      More clueless lunacy.

      You people obviously are some parallel internet on another planet.

      Because I visit sites like yahoo, google, amazon, ebay, craigslist, reuters,
      NYT, LAtimes, AP, kayak, zillow, .....and other normal big sites...and
      they regularly use dupe content because they'd be a fool not to.

      The internet runs on duplicated content. In fact, that's exactly what tons of
      people are using the internet for today.

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      • Profile picture of the author steveorg
        Thanks so much for all of those replies. Nothing like such universal agreement!

        Several people asked why the need for two intros exist. That's worth answering.

        My site has two sections, a line of related products for sale and reviews of equipment that works with those products.The home page has intros/overviews of each section in addition to a minor amount of other content. Each section then repeats the individual intro/overview.

        SEO activity does not focus on any of these pages. The individual product and review pages are the SEO landing pages. However, many people will enter the site through the intro pages, and others will enter through the home page. The intent is to orient site visitors immediately.
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      • Profile picture of the author Pdomain
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        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Lunacy.



        More clueless lunacy.

        You people obviously are some parallel internet on another planet.

        Because I visit sites like yahoo, google, amazon, ebay, craigslist, reuters,
        NYT, LAtimes, AP, kayak, zillow, .....and other normal big sites...and
        they regularly use dupe content because they'd be a fool not to.

        The internet runs on duplicated content. In fact, that's exactly what tons of
        people are using the internet for today.

        Paul

        Do they have the 50/50 ratio, like the problem mentioned in the thread?

        If you see Google home page, from the home page, you will be able to visit Google's all the pages, sections, products or services. And it is very user friendly and you can't call Google a foolish company.

        The thing is if it is repeated on most of the pages, we should just create a page for that duplicate content and let the page/link be an item of menu.
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  • Profile picture of the author kushalshah
    Originally Posted by steveorg View Post

    My site has two major sections. Each has an intro page. The home page also contains the intro text for both sections. Is that a duplicate content issue?

    The link structure for one section looks like this:
    - Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro)
    - - Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro/intro)
    - - Page 1
    - - Page 2
    - - etc.

    The reason that the intro is repeated is that many people will not click the top menu item and the content is important. Is this bad practice?
    Having 1 duplicate page on website shouldn't get you penalized, there are websites using ton and tons of duplicate articles still they are working fine and ranking well on SERP's.
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  • Profile picture of the author selenathomas
    Originally Posted by steveorg View Post

    My site has two major sections. Each has an intro page. The home page also contains the intro text for both sections. Is that a duplicate content issue?

    The link structure for one section looks like this:
    - Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro)
    - - Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro/intro)
    - - Page 1
    - - Page 2
    - - etc.

    The reason that the intro is repeated is that many people will not click the top menu item and the content is important. Is this bad practice?
    Have you got any message on Google Webmaster tools?
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    It won't get you penalized but if the text is very important, why do you have an intro page that basically says the same thing? Or, better yet, why not write a summary of the whole text, making people WANT to click to read the whole thing?
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOleaders
    As I can see your urls would be different so adding same content on different pages of your website is clearly a copy case. Do not spin it or make minor changes. Try making separate introduction if you are really going this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author InitialEffort
    I'd definitely avoid adding the same content to 2 different pages to keep away from duplicate content issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author zimmerseo
    Originally Posted by steveorg View Post

    My site has two major sections. Each has an intro page. The home page also contains the intro text for both sections. Is that a duplicate content issue?

    The link structure for one section looks like this:
    - Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro)
    - - Intro (URL structure: mysite.com/intro/intro)
    - - Page 1
    - - Page 2
    - - etc.

    The reason that the intro is repeated is that many people will not click the top menu item and the content is important. Is this bad practice?
    Duplicate content applies to 'substantive blocks' of content. A paragraph here and there isn't going to be an issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author steveorg
      Originally Posted by zimmerseo View Post

      Duplicate content applies to 'substantive blocks' of content. A paragraph here and there isn't going to be an issue.
      That may be the rub. The first block related to the products is more of a table with images and just under 200 words of text. However, the second block, the intro to the product reviews, has several sections with a total of 900 words.

      Accordingly, I guess if I have any issues, it's the second block. While researching this issue, I came across the rel="canonical" tag. Would using that tag on the home page with the URL of the page that duplicates the content eliminate my issue?
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      • Profile picture of the author zimmerseo
        Originally Posted by steveorg View Post

        That may be the rub. The first block related to the products is more of a table with images and just under 200 words of text. However, the second block, the intro to the product reviews, has several sections with a total of 900 words.

        Accordingly, I guess if I have any issues, it's the second block. While researching this issue, I came across the rel="canonical" tag. Would using that tag on the home page with the URL of the page that duplicates the content eliminate my issue?
        To be honest, I've never come across a website (legitimate that is) with so much duplicated content.

        Whats the percentage? I'm assuming if you have 1,100 words of duplicated content it's a high percentage of the words on the page.
        If thats the case, then yes, using a rel="canonical" link would be your best option as Google will only show one of the pages in it's serp's, so you might as well tell google which one to show.
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        • Profile picture of the author steveorg
          Originally Posted by zimmerseo View Post

          To be honest, I've never come across a website (legitimate that is) with so much duplicated content.

          Whats the percentage? I'm assuming if you have 1,100 words of duplicated content it's a high percentage of the words on the page.
          If thats the case, then yes, using a rel="canonical" link would be your best option as Google will only show one of the pages in it's serp's, so you might as well tell google which one to show.
          Thanks. "Legitimate"? I have seen other sites take this approach. As I mentioned the intent is to orient site visitors immediately. That helps them get to the page(s) of interest with less clicking. All other pages of the site do not duplicate content and many of those pages have 1,000+ words.

          We spent a great deal of time considering different approaches, but came to the conclusion that from a usability point of view, this structure works best for the site. Since the rel="canonical" tag takes care of the duplicate issue, we can now stop agonizing about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarksWineClub
    Yes. Duplicate content is the same text right? If you have the same text, it needs to be changed
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