Ranking with internal links alone

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So I have been examining several larger websites that are ranking well for competitive keywords. A few of these sites are less then 2 years old, seems they have little to no external back links but they are doing well. It appears they are using the silo structure and then linking heavily back to their money pages. So my thought is, if you have enough pages, 300+ pages all linking internally properly, can you rank in time maximizing your link juice on your own site? It seems sites that are doing this same method with only 40-50 pages are not ranking that well which makes me wonder if its all about larger volume of pages to achieve this? I also realize without external back links its going to take longer. Basically a smaller version of Wikipedia.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkgg
    NO!. Internal linking will never if there is some link juice to pass, when there are no backlinks there is no juice coming in to flow.

    The website has most likely backlinks to its domain or other pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by Mark806 View Post

    So I have been examining several larger websites that are ranking well for competitive keywords. A few of these sites are less then 2 years old, seems they have little to no external back links but they are doing well. It appears they are using the silo structure and then linking heavily back to their money pages. So my thought is, if you have enough pages, 300+ pages all linking internally properly, can you rank in time maximizing your link juice on your own site? It seems sites that are doing this same method with only 40-50 pages are not ranking that well which makes me wonder if its all about larger volume of pages to achieve this? I also realize without external back links its going to take longer. Basically a smaller version of Wikipedia.
    No, that's not happening. You have to have external backlinks, authority has to originate from somewhere on the web.

    Just because you don't see backlinks on 3rd party link data doesn't mean a site doesn't have a backlink profile. They could have multiple domains that have established link profiles doing 301 redirects back to the money domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark806
      Makes sense, it just seemed the links they have no dot have any PR.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mark806 View Post

        Makes sense, it just seemed the links they have no dot have any PR.

        PR was last updated in 2013 so any new links since then won't have any PR. Only the links built before 2013 will have PR but those can be false PRs If links were lost between 2013 & 2015. PR on old links before 2013 can still be useful as a starting point for researching link profiles but you need to know how to spot legit links first.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    There is actually a spam tool out there that is doing this with some degree of success, but it is auto-creating sites with 30,000-40,000 pages and it is certainly a churn and burn kind of thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      There is actually a spam tool out there that is doing this with some degree of success, but it is auto-creating sites with 30,000-40,000 pages and it is certainly a churn and burn kind of thing.

      Doubtful they're ranking for anything competitive If all they're doing is building pages.

      What's the game plan, build a bazillion pages targeting a bazillion longtails with weak competition & picking up positions #5 through #10 on the SERPs per each longtail?

      I hope it's fully automatic.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Doubtful they're ranking for anything competitive If all they're doing is building pages.

        What's the game plan, build a bazillion pages targeting a bazillion longtails with weak competition & picking up positions #5 through #10 on the SERPs per each longtail?

        I hope it's fully automatic.
        It is fully automatic and is targeting long tail keywords, mostly local ones. It spins out a bunch of gibberish, but overlays a different page for the visitors. So it might be a lead generation page for a local plumber. The visitors see the exact same thing no matter what page ranks. The search engine bots are seeing "unique" spun content on each page.

        Certainly not going to rank someone in really competitive niches.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          It is fully automatic and is targeting long tail keywords, mostly local ones. It spins out a bunch of gibberish, but overlays a different page for the visitors. So it might be a lead generation page for a local plumber. The visitors see the exact same thing no matter what page ranks. The search engine bots are seeing "unique" spun content on each page.

          Certainly not going to rank someone in really competitive niches.

          How fast (ballpark) do they burn through domains?
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            How fast (ballpark) do they burn through domains?
            Surprisingly, not that fast. Most sites are lasting at least 6 months if not longer.

            Here is the thing, you can launch new sites in like 45 minutes. Even faster when you get really comfortable with the interface.

            Some people are launching 8-12 sites a day.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Surprisingly, not that fast. Most sites are lasting at least 6 months if not longer.

              Here is the thing, you can launch new sites in like 45 minutes. Even faster when you get really comfortable with the interface.

              Some people are launching 8-12 sites a day.

              Six months is impressive for any churn & burn site. I guess they kinda fly under the radar only targeting local longtails?
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Six months is impressive for any churn & burn site. I guess they kinda fly under the radar only targeting local longtails?
                Yes. I'm sure there are some cases where sites die much faster.

                It's an interesting project. The owner is a complete shithead though, so I refuse to mention it. The user interface is total crap.

                I'm sure someone will put out a better version sometime soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark806
    What I am seeing is guest blog links from multiple sites like forbes and other business websites, their anchor text is the brand rather then a keyword rich anchor.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Mark806 View Post

      What I am seeing is guest blog links from multiple sites like forbes and other business websites, their anchor text is the brand rather then a keyword rich anchor.
      ...but is the Forbes backlink followed & is the Forbes page title/s or <h> tags keyword optimized for the money page.

      Anchor-text isn't an end all solution, there's other ways to optimize for keyword relevancy.
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  • Profile picture of the author mringtone
    Originally Posted by Mark806 View Post

    So I have been examining several larger websites that are ranking well for competitive keywords. A few of these sites are less then 2 years old, seems they have little to no external back links but they are doing well. It appears they are using the silo structure and then linking heavily back to their money pages. So my thought is, if you have enough pages, 300+ pages all linking internally properly, can you rank in time maximizing your link juice on your own site? It seems sites that are doing this same method with only 40-50 pages are not ranking that well which makes me wonder if its all about larger volume of pages to achieve this? I also realize without external back links its going to take longer. Basically a smaller version of Wikipedia.

    You have to have external back links. Suppose you have a website 1 month old and have 0 external links and have over 1000 internal links. How your webmaster will generate keywords for you.When there is no reputation out there for your links in "WWW" no matter what frame work you are using external links helps in targeting keywords and many other things.
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