Conflicting thoughts on the potential of Adsense??

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I have been doing a lot of reading about Adsense including the reading of XFacotors recent thread on how he does things and I am getting a lot of conflicting information about whether using Adsense to make an income online is a good idea.

I mean John's (XFactor's) way sounds like a winner but some other information I am reading leads me to think it's not as easy as he makes it sound.

Specifically here are some of the issues I would like input on if anyone cares to give it to me here.

1. The ideal web sites that Google likes and which would work best with Adsense are high value content sites that visitors would come visit with or without Adsense. Some have stated that it is against the Terms of Use at Google to create sites soley for the purpose of putting Adsense on them. Is that true?

2. How difficult is it to not only come up with a good keyword phrase for an Adsense ad site but also to build it and rank it enough to reasonably expect to make $10 or even $5 a day from it? I mean I have heard some say they have had sites up for years and have made only $16 or some such in all that time. Some like John here seem to make it out to be some relatively easy thing. Others, mostly elsewhere, seem to indicate that it will take a long, long time before you see anywhere near $5 a day from a site never mind $10. What is the deal here? Why such a difference in what people make with Adsense (I have my ideas on why this is but I want to hear what others say about this)?

3. The Adsense terms of service seem pretty straight forward and reasonable overall but there is one section which says..."You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to:...xi) engage in any action or practice that reflects poorly on Google or otherwise disparages or devalues Google's reputation or goodwill." Does that mean that if I start using Adsense that Google requires me to shut my mouth and never say anything bad about Google?

4. A number have also advised me against focusing on making solely from Google Adsense as not being very sound business wise. A throwing all of our eggs into one basket so to speak. Has anyone that is making a living mainly if not entirely from Adsense experienced a problem with having all their eggs in the Google Adsence basket?

I have been thinking of buying John's ebook mentioned in this forum but I am not sure I would fit in with what John wants buyers of his ebook to agree to. Namely to not share the ebook with anyone else.

I may have to settle for just gleaning what I can from his long thread here on making $300 a day from Adsense.

I do not have the discretionary income to buy his $67 ebook myself but I have a partner who will put in whatever I need for domain registrations, hosting, etc.. while I do all the work of getting some sites up and running.

Anyone know if my partner buying the ebook and then letting me read it would violate the agreement that John wants of purchasers of his ebook? My partner cannot build his own web sites and is not super internet savy so this is not a matter where both of us will benefit from buying one ebook type of thing. At least not for some time. It's where if we are not able to share the ebook without buying two it isn't worth it (at least with respect to buying the ebook).

John may be too flooded with emails to see much less answer my question directly so I thought I would ask it publicly here to see if anyone had any input on this by virtue of having asked John about this type of thing in the past.

Any input on any of the above would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    1. As long as a site provides quality content, it is within TOS to put AdSense on it.

    2. Coming up with good keywords can be tricky. Most inexperienced people target the highly-saturated high paying keywords like "credit cards", "make money", etc adn then wonder why they cannot rank for those terms against 12,000,000,000,001 other websites. If you can't rank, you can't earn. Sticking with lower paying "buying" keywords yields much better CTR/profits than the hard to reach high-paying keywords.

    3. Google doesn't want its affiliates (that's what we are effectively) disparaging them nor do they want us discussing statistics.

    4. Yes, throwing your eggs in one basket can be dangerous. What makes John's course great is that it advises you to target "buying" keywords so you could always replace AdSense income with affiliate income if AdSense goes away.

    I have followed what he discusses and the sites I create do very well from a CTR perspective. Clients of mine are happy and I am happy with the sites that I keep.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If you have read John's threads - you have enough information to get started.

      You are overthinking and overanalyzing Adsense. It's not that complicated and you can make changes and adjustments any time you want but you can't do anything until you get started.

      No one can answer the question about purchasing the ebook except the seller.

      Some like John here seem to make it out to be some relatively easy thing.
      No, he doesn't. He says clearly it's a lot of work. It isn't easy, fast or guaranteed - but it's possible. It involves all the same basics of any site - effective keyword and niche research, writing content, getting traffic.

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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You are overthinking and overanalyzing Adsense.
        Perhaps but, I would have preferred input on why so many have tried it and have not made anywhere near what others like John say they make. I am not doubting that John and others make a killing through Adsense and I know it's going to take work. Lots of tedious work. Big deal. I can do that no problem.

        I am simply leaving no stone unturned before I plunge into a time consuming shift to my internet activities.

        Bear in mind too that I am shell shocked to income claims and other marketing rah, rah. John is not your typical internet marketing person hyping up the latest money making scheme. Not at all. But at the same time I am not going to believe everything I read on this or any other forum just because people come close to claiming it's the best thing since sliced bread in an internet marketing sense.

        If it was up to me alone I would fork out the money for John's ebook and get started today but I don't have the discretionary income to do anything right now. Not even to pay for additional domain registrations. So this isn't just about me.

        It's about making sure I am steering my client partner into something that holds out a reasonable hope of making us both some income. I do not lightly advise people to do something that entails some risk to them financially in that he will be backing me all the way in this. Even if that financial risk is a measly $200. When you don't have a measly $200 to play with it might as well be $20,000.

        Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
          Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

          Perhaps but, I would have preferred input on why so many have tried it and have not made anywhere near what others like John say they make. I am not doubting that John and others make a killing through Adsense and I know it's going to take work. Lots of tedious work. Big deal. I can do that no problem.
          Carlos

          Carlos, there are a few factors you have to consider:
          1. Did the individual do a proper keyword competition analysis?
          2. Are they keywords a "buyer's" search term?
          3. Did they create content as described in the thread and in the course or just copy/pase a 200-word review from amazon?
          4. Did they connect all of the on-page SEO dots?
          5. Did they write articles as described in the thread/course?
          6. Did they submit these articles primarily to EZA for maximum exposure?
          7. Are their articles well-written enough that they'll be published over time?
          8. Do they have a good grasp of the template John uses and have they created a near-duplicate, or are they "making do" with some other template?
          9. Are they strictly following the Adsense layout that John talks about?
          10. Have they removed every other traffic leak from their pages?
          11. Have they waited for their pages to fully rank before they call these sites failures? (John talks about 3 months to reach full earning potential in some cases)

          I have done all of the above. My oldest two sites are making $2-$3 per day each when any page is ranking on the first page. They're still bouncing in and out of the first page, but given that they're only 4 weeks old, this is perfectly normal.

          Every site I've made has SE traffic CTR's of 30-40%. I'm pretty certain that those who have less are trying to make the sites something they don't need to be (review sites, for example).
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Tom...thanks very much for your input but if you don't mind me asking you something publicly...I don't understand something.

      You say you are doing real well using XFactors System and all and that you create sites for use with Adsense and that you lease them out but...you only charge $15 per month lease them out to your clients.

      If a site is making even $5 a day which is half of what XFactor said that's $150 per month! Why are you only charging $15 when you could reasonably get at least $100 per such site?

      I don't understand the logic of what you are charging verses the payoff to your clients. You seem to really be underselling yourself.

      Please don't feel a need to respond publicly to this but it is something that struck me as rather...well...odd.

      Thanks again for your input.

      Carlos
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      1. As long as a site provides quality content, it is within TOS to put AdSense on it.

      2. Coming up with good keywords can be tricky. Most inexperienced people target the highly-saturated high paying keywords like "credit cards", "make money", etc adn then wonder why they cannot rank for those terms against 12,000,000,000,001 other websites. If you can't rank, you can't earn. Sticking with lower paying "buying" keywords yields much better CTR/profits than the hard to reach high-paying keywords.

      3. Google doesn't want its affiliates (that's what we are effectively) disparaging them nor do they want us discussing statistics.

      4. Yes, throwing your eggs in one basket can be dangerous. What makes John's course great is that it advises you to target "buying" keywords so you could always replace AdSense income with affiliate income if AdSense goes away.

      I have followed what he discusses and the sites I create do very well from a CTR perspective. Clients of mine are happy and I am happy with the sites that I keep.

      Tom
      I would reply but wolfmmiii summed up my own thoughts perfectly.

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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Thanks John...
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          I'll say one thing for you John. In addition to being very generous about sharing what works for you publicly here at the forum you are a very reasonable fellow respecting what one can and cannot do with the information in your ebook. I appreciate that about you.

          Thanks again for getting back to me by email in response to my questions. Much appreciated.

          Unfortunately my client partner decided not to go for the ebook so I will have to carefully study the thread here myself and glean what I can from it. Not a biggie since as others have said most of the info seems to be in the thread somewhere anyway though it will take a bit of time to sort through a 1000 post thread LOL.

          Thanks again for the input you all.

          God willing...in another month or two I might have my own story to tell about success with Adsense .

          Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I don't mind answering. I'm basically an impatient person. I enjoy actually building the sites and doing the keyword research. What I'm not too excited about is the actual article marketing. Now, I'm slowly coming around on that front but in the meantime, I lease out the new sites that I build to fund my domain purchases and such.

    Eventually, I'll force myself to do all of the promotion that's necessary but until then, I'll just continue to lease out what I consider excess inventory that will otherwise just sit un-promoted, earning nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      I don't mind answering. I'm basically an impatient person. I enjoy actually building the sites and doing the keyword research. What I'm not too excited about is the actual article marketing. Now, I'm slowly coming around on that front but in the meantime, I lease out the new sites that I build to fund my domain purchases and such.

      Eventually, I'll force myself to do all of the promotion that's necessary but until then, I'll just continue to lease out what I consider excess inventory that will otherwise just sit un-promoted, earning nothing.
      Very interesting approach you have there Tom. I like it. It's one way that I could do this and fund it myself without even having a client partner to back me financially for the $200 or so dollars I need to get started with hosting, domain registrations, and even John's ebook.

      Mind you my client partner is willing to put in more than just the $200 but still...I basically just need around $200 to get started big time in this.

      Hmm...very interesting indeed. I can easily do the keyword research myself and build some sites and then host them off a subdirectory at my main site for potential Adsense site buyers to see. And then do what you do. Lease them for $15-20 per month per site. Not quite the $10 a day I envision making with this but certainly doable with respect to generating enough to get me started registering and hosting my first domain or two.

      Great idea Tom. Thanks for sharing.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

        Very interesting approach you have there Tom. I like it. It's one way that I could do this and fund it myself without even having a client partner to back me financially for the $200 or so dollars I need to get started with hosting, domain registrations, and even John's ebook.

        Mind you my client partner is willing to put in more than just the $200 but still...I basically just need around $200 to get started big time in this.

        Hmm...very interesting indeed. I can easily do the keyword research myself and build some sites and then host them off a subdirectory at my main site for potential Adsense site buyers to see. And then do what you do. Lease them for $15-20 per month per site. Not quite the $10 a day I envision making with this but certainly doable with respect to generating enough to get me started registering and hosting my first domain or two.

        Great idea Tom. Thanks for sharing.

        Carlos
        Why don't you just do one or two sites and start making some money before you start to dream. Don't set a goal or income, don't try to get big overnight, just do it, get started. Find a keyword, Then write your pages, and then write ten articles. Then make your site and site back until you see some income. Then buy the book
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Well...I've done enough research. I am willing to go with it at this point. It's a matter of my client partner deciding to go for it with me or not. I am hopeful and do believe that this will work out for the both of us but we will see if he makes a definite committment to do this with me.

          What kinda amazes me is that the blueprint is so simple. I mean like someone else said it's no big deal to do this. Just follow the blueprint. What is amazing is how many people get it wrong and fail completely with Adsense.

          That's what makes it difficult to believe it can be done. Because so many have failed and failed miserably at it.

          But I am not going to follow the crowd who advise against it and will figure out some way to do this. I believe it will work.

          By the way if anyone is interested I found an ebook today in my reasearch on Adsense that covers Adsense exhaustively from someone else who is making a killing from it.

          If anyone is interested the ebook is here -> Make money with Google AdSense with Joel Comm's free book

          I am in no way, shape, or form connected with this ebook but it seems to be an excellent resource.

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author XFactor
            Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

            Well...I've done enough research. I am willing to go with it at this point. It's a matter of my client partner deciding to go for it with me or not. I am hopeful and do believe that this will work out for the both of us but we will see if he makes a definite committment to do this with me.

            What kinda amazes me is that the blueprint is so simple. I mean like someone else said it's no big deal to do this. Just follow the blueprint. What is amazing is how many people get it wrong and fail completely with Adsense.

            That's what makes it difficult to believe it can be done. Because so many have failed and failed miserably at it.

            But I am not going to follow the crowd who advise against it and will figure out some way to do this. I believe it will work.

            By the way if anyone is interested I found an ebook today in my reasearch on Adsense that covers Adsense exhaustively from someone else who is making a killing from it.

            If anyone is interested the ebook is here -> Make money with Google AdSense with Joel Comm's free book

            I am in no way, shape, or form connected with this ebook but it seems to be an excellent resource.

            Carlos
            The thing is Carlos is that you do not have to take much risk just
            to start.

            Just like the other person replied about, put up a few dollars and
            spend a month marketing several websites.

            See for yourself what you can do.

            If you "connect" with it, great - continue.

            If it completely turns you off - go with another business venture.

            - John
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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

              The thing is Carlos is that you do not have to take much risk just
              to start.
              Under normal circumstances you are correct John. In my case the risk is that I will devote practically all my spare time to this such that if it does not pan out for me I will be left with nothing at the end of 2-3 months and will have to start over on something else.

              Life is short. I don't have the time to fool around with things anymore.

              Creating adsense sites sounds like a very good thing. Something I am wiling to risk everything on. I mean everything professionally on.

              Although I am web developer by profession that is only a stepping stone to my ultimate goal of being able to make a living entirely over the Internet.

              With God's help...I will make it work.

              The risk is all mine and I will not hold anyone but myself responsible if things don't work out. But I wouldn't bother with this if I didn't think it was going to work for me. And that is not entirely based on what you say but what others who have succeeded in Adsense have said too.

              I appreciate your encouragement John. That's swell of you.

              Carlos
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              • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
                Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                Under normal circumstances you are correct John. In my case the risk is that I will devote practically all my spare time to this such that if it does not pan out for me I will be left with nothing at the end of 2-3 months and will have to start over on something else.

                Life is short. I don't have the time to fool around with things anymore.

                Creating adsense sites sounds like a very good thing. Something I am wiling to risk everything on. I mean everything professionally on.

                Although I am web developer by profession that is only a stepping stone to my ultimate goal of being able to make a living entirely over the Internet.

                With God's help...I will make it work.

                The risk is all mine and I will not hold anyone but myself responsible if things don't work out. But I wouldn't bother with this if I didn't think it was going to work for me. And that is not entirely based on what you say but what others who have succeeded in Adsense have said too.

                I appreciate your encouragement John. That's swell of you.

                Carlos
                At the risk of offending you I'm going to say that if you are at the computer all day and you're not making enough to go this alone without a partner and I suggest you don't do it with a partner or you will be sorry. Then you need to find something else anyway. There are no rewards for the meek, security is a fantasy JUST DO IT
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                • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                  Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

                  At the risk of offending you I'm going to say that if you are at the computer all day and you're not making enough to go this alone without a partner and I suggest you don't do it with a partner or you will be sorry. Then you need to find something else anyway. There are no rewards for the meek, security is a fantasy JUST DO IT
                  Marketseeker...you don't know this but it is extremely difficult to offend me by anything you might say to me on an internet forum. I've been around the block and then some and have developed a rather hard shell or perhaps more accurately the ability to let offensive comments just roll in one ear and out the other.

                  What you say doesn't faze me in the least.

                  I am at the computer all day because I am trying to solidify the gains I have made in web development. Gains that come and go due to the nature of the business. Some months I feast relative to other months where I starve (figuratively speaking...I have never starved literally. God has always provided for me in one way or another).

                  Also health wise I can't work at a normal job very easily anymore. I have bad knees and a bad back so it's either make a living over the Internet or starve. It's make a living over the internet for me or bust.

                  I have been working on a joint venture idea that has taken up almost all my discretionary time in recent weeks (above that which I must devote to client projects).

                  Incidentally my security is in God not the money I make or the business I get involved in. He has never let me down and I don't believe he ever will.

                  I don't intend to veer this conversation to Christian things but for the record I want it to be clear that my security is not in my work. Our jobs will come and go. People will come and go and let us down but God never will.

                  Regarding partnerships...yes I have had some bad experiences in the past. But I have learned and since coming to San Diego my "partnerships" have worked out very, very well. It is has been my experience that partnerships can serve a valuable purpose. That of bringing to the table resources that I do not have on my own as I bring to the table resouces and skills my partners do not. It can be a win/win all around though of course I must be careful and use wisdom in my partnership dealings.

                  Lastly I don't know why you brought up the subject of meekness. I certainly don't see myself as meek. Rather I see myself as acting prudently and cautiously and getting wise input from others here and on other forums who have had more experience than I have had in internet marketing/Adsense stuff.

                  Carlos
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              • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                Under normal circumstances you are correct John. In my case the risk is that I will devote practically all my spare time to this such that if it does not pan out for me I will be left with nothing at the end of 2-3 months and will have to start over on something else.

                Life is short. I don't have the time to fool around with things anymore.

                Creating adsense sites sounds like a very good thing. Something I am wiling to risk everything on. I mean everything professionally on.

                Although I am web developer by profession that is only a stepping stone to my ultimate goal of being able to make a living entirely over the Internet.

                With God's help...I will make it work.

                The risk is all mine and I will not hold anyone but myself responsible if things don't work out. But I wouldn't bother with this if I didn't think it was going to work for me. And that is not entirely based on what you say but what others who have succeeded in Adsense have said too.

                I appreciate your encouragement John. That's swell of you.

                Carlos
                Carlos, please read this...... Immediately!

                http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...y-newbies.html

                It's a good dose of reality that you might need before making your
                decision.

                - John
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                • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                  Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

                  Carlos, please read this...... Immediately!

                  http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...y-newbies.html

                  It's a good dose of reality that you might need before making your
                  decision.

                  - John
                  Thanks for the dose of reality John. I read through some of that thread. I will likely read through more of it later.

                  A couple of thoughts that I would like your further input on if you don't mind sharing more with me in this thread. I don't expect your input but if you do have something further to add I would appreciate hearing about it.

                  I think we can safely discount any need on my part to trudge through the technical side of creating Adsense related sites and their content. All modesty aside I know how to build web sites and I am an excellent writer.

                  I don't use PLR stuff. If I write something I write it myself. Always have....probably always will. That's not to say I won't ever use PLR stuff but I'd rather write it myself. Especially if it's a subject I enjoy writing about.

                  I am an excellent researcher at uncovering knowledge about a subject matter that I know next to nothing about. Becoming quite knowledgeable about something relatively quickly.

                  That's what I bring to the party.

                  In addition to the above my needs for money are very, very small. I can survive and survive quite well on about $1000 a month. Literally and completely. So unlike some that need to make thousands and thousands of dollars I need to make very little.

                  My main reason for considering an internet based living is not just the money. Indeed I would go so far as to say it isn't even mainly the money for me. I could make more at a regular job somewhere doing something as benign as flipping burgers at minimum wage (not always...I mean I do make more at times when I have a good string of web development projects I am working on but what I mean is that the money is not the main motivator for me).

                  What motivates me is that I can make those $1000 from anywhere in the world where there is a high speed internet connection. That I can work from home. Take a break when I want to. Operate in integrity without the constant pressure to compromise my principles of right and wrong to abide by a boss whose God is money and who might as likely be operating in greed as not.

                  That is why I am focused on making a living over the Internet.

                  If I make my $1000 (of course more would be better) consistently I can then go and live in the country of my birth in South America. Be with mom in her older years and get to know relatives I hardly know. Before they all start dying off on me. That's what motivates me.

                  I don't care if I have to work hard. That matters nothing to me.

                  Like I said...I have been working real hard for a long time and I have seen reward for my labor. Not as much as I would like but it's been there.

                  I am just looking for something that will be more consistent where I won't starve one month and then feast the next.

                  Always bearing in mind that whatever I do it must be internet based and allow me to make an income without going to an office or otherwise being tied to the local economy. That is the only way I will be able to survive in South America where it is much tougher to make a living.

                  I think Adsense may be that vehicle for me.

                  A few questions...given what I have said above and again I won't hold you responsible for my success or failure but I would like to know...given what I have said about my skills and motivation and my ability to write well...is it realistic for me to believe that I can create one website that will make at least $5 in Adsense money per day? On average? Over the course of a month (for a total of $150 for the month)?

                  I believe I can create one such site very two days on the outside and once I work through your system and become familiar with it...I believe I can create one a day. I have a system of creating web sites that allows me to create them very, very quickly. It's basically a plug and play system.

                  Of course getting traffic to the sites will require some daily work too but with regard to traffic are we talking about having to write 100 articles for every single web site I create? Is that what it takes? I mean really? Or can one do with less promotion if one ranks well for a nice niche area that has good traffic potential? Writing that many article per site might be the killer for me. I mean I can do it but I only have so many hours in a day.

                  Is it realistic to believe that there are plently of untapped niches left? Or is the market so saturated with Adsense wannabe's that finding a good niche is getting to be impossible?

                  I have been working on another idea to date. Creating joint venture material that could be used by internet marketers to give to their subscribers. A series of e-lessons on how to build web sites quickly using my cut and paste PHP object code classes and methods. It's just a way to get a lot more traffic to my site. Perhaps that would be much easier for me to implement. Don't know. I've never built or worked on Adsense sites. This joint venture thing I have been developing is going to take a lot of work too.

                  I just can't do both. I must choose one. While the joint venture thing looks very, very promising and I have received good feedback on the idea of it...it is something new. Untested. There is no blueprint or roadmap of anyone that has gone before. I am creating my own.

                  In many respects Adsense sites is better in that others have gone before me and at least made it work. I can duplicate that.

                  That's where I am coming from and any futher input on any or all of what I have said would be appreciated. I don't expect it John so no pressure on you to answer any of my questions but if you care to share anything more on what I have said...I am all ears.

                  Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author eqalias
    If I was a person that was going to make a serious time and money investment in online marketing I dont think I would go with a hardcore Adsense model at all after reading and re-reading XFactors' techniques. It's a lot of work. I decided to do it because I have the time to tinker with it and I am starting on a smaller scale because I love looking at the numbers; page hits, unique hits, CTR's, how fast something gets indexed, what backlinks show up, etc. But that's stuff I like to look at and this is cost effective way to play with it.
    But, if I was very serious about being a professional online marketer I would go full bore into making a CPA and affiliate sales empire because that looks like the more effective path (but still time consuming).
    But then again XFactor isnt fooling around and he is getting better results than many CPA and affiliate types. But he takes this very seriously and is committed to results. Meh, thats just my two cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      That's all well and good eqalias and I do wish you the best in your endeavours but I don't have the finances to build an empire on my own. So I have to work on something small at first and I have to do something that others, such as my client partner, can sink his teeth into with respect to believing that it will work to make us something.

      Creating simple web sites and using Adsense seems like just the ticket to make some needed discretionary income that will enable me to branch out into other revenue streams over the net without having to dig into my food money so to speak.

      Thanks for your input.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author XFactor
    Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post


    I mean John's (XFactor's) way sounds like a winner but some other information I am reading leads me to think it's not as easy as he makes it sound.
    Just for the record, I've never said this was easy. In fact I do my best
    to always stress that making it with niche sites and organic search engine
    traffic takes hard work and dedication.

    I have stressed this in both my threads and in my book.

    But then again, nothing online is easy - starting your own business is
    the riskiest venture you can take, but the most rewarding.

    - John
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

      Just for the record, I've never said this was easy. In fact I do my best
      to always stress that making it with niche sites and organic search engine
      traffic takes hard work and dedication.
      You definitely make that clear John. Sorry if I misrepresented what you said.

      I did not mean to say that you said it was easy as in nothing to it at all. That's definitely not the case. And you have definitely made that clear throughout.

      It will take work. Lots of work. Lots of hours staring at a computer screen and doing research on keywords, creating content, fiddling with site creation, all kinds of things.

      But I sit in front of my computer all day anyway. I really like what I do and I am good at it so for me...it will be relatively easy compared to what it would be for many others.

      I already know how to create web sites. I can follow directions. I can read. And I can afford the time to spend 10 hours a day on this if I want to do so. I mean literally.

      My own needs will for the most part be met so I won't have to devote myself every day to making money to meet them. I can devote myself to this or any other activity I chose to devote myself to. At least for the next month or even two.

      So yeah it won't be easy in a literal sense but I think for me it will be no more difficult and indeed less so than some of the things I do now so for me...well...it will be relatively easy.

      Not to mention that the way you do things and the blueprint you have put together makes it just as easy for anyone else who has the time, inclination, and can read and follow instructions to imitate your success.

      The only downfall I can see is the gap in knowledge people may have in knowing how to create their own web sites. That will undoubtedly be the toughest thing for people to imitate. There are a lot of folks who don't know the first thing about creating web sites. It's like learning Greek to them. It will not be a piece of cake for them at all.

      They will have to take extra time to learn to use a web site creation system or software. Some might give up if they bump into what seems to be very complex. That's the only stumbling block I can see to your system John. That's a gap that people might stumble over.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    Nothing is guaranteed, not even a job.

    Not one person here or anywhere can look you in the eye and say that Adsense, CPA, affiliate this or that or anything won't be a 100% complete waste of your time. You need to make a decision and do it to the fullest.

    BTW, don't get caught up in the stupid "eggs in 1 basket" thing. So many people say this and I'm not sure how many even know what it means.

    Do something well then think about diversifying. There's no sense in doing 3 things when you can't even do 1 of them right or if you haven't even begun to do anything.

    And don't be a "paper dreamer." You know, the people who haven't done anything yet, but sit around all day running scenarios of sites, $ per day per site, how many sites needed for $XYZ and blah blah blah double blah. How can you predict anything when you don't even have 1 site of your own as the foundation for these predictions?

    Fear is the enemy of progress.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Some good thoughts there Jason. Thank you.

      Carlos
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