PR 0 Backlinks - Is it worth it?

by Hanuka
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I've been hearing over and over from people that backlinks are all about
the quality and not the quantity and that you shouldn't
waste your time on rubbish backlinks cos 1 pr4 backlink is worth like hundreds
of pr0 backlinks.

But when I look at some of the SEO savvy people's sites (like Andy Jenkins's A2Armory site or Brad Fallons's wedding favors site)
I notice that they focus their attention on the pr3/4- backlinks
and no on the pr4+ ones..
The result is that they have hundreds of pr0 and pr1 backlinks and
quite few pr4+ backlinks.. what confuses me greatly as why SEO pros like
themselves still bother to get rubbish backlinks to their site?

I was enitially planning on focusing all my time on high quality backlinks
and little to no time on the pr0 ones... but now I'm tottaly confused... :/

Does Google look also the the quantity of the backlinks whenever it's ranking
sites?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

Cheers,
Anthony xD
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    As long as the page in question is indexed by Google, it should have some value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lester Privott
    I would think that any backlink is better than none at all. I would focus on the higher ranked sites but would not shun away pr0/1/2/3 sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      I think it comes down to the site itself.

      Look around and see if you think the site is worth it. A PR0 could be a PR5 within a few months.

      Look at the site itself and not just the PR.

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  • Profile picture of the author Hanuka
    Thanks for the answers guys.
    But do you think that I should accept also sites that are not in my theme?
    If lets say my theme be accessories like jewelry and such and I see a site
    which is about general fashion(clothes, patsz, haute couture and all that bs)..
    is it a good idea to have a semi-fous on those type of sites too?
    And what about a site that has nothing to do with my site but I have a clear
    shot for a 1 way blacklink, should I take it?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Hanuka View Post

      Thanks for the answers guys.
      But do you think that I should accept also sites that are not in my theme?
      If lets say my theme be accessories like jewelry and such and I see a site
      which is about general fashion(clothes, patsz, haute couture and all that bs)..
      is it a good idea to have a semi-fous on those type of sites too?
      And what about a site that has nothing to do with my site but I have a clear
      shot for a 1 way blacklink, should I take it?
      It all goes back to looking natural. If your site is about accessories for women, it would be quite natural to acquire links from sites both more general and more specific.

      Links to a jewelry site from a fashion site? Absolutely.

      Links to a jewelry site from a site selling jewelry-making supplies? Sure.

      Links to a jewelry site from a dating site? Maybe...

      Links to a jewelry site from a biz-opp site? Not unless you offer an affiliate program or some type of business opportunity ("Start your own jewelry biz").

      Another thing to consider is time. Is it natural to acquire 10,000 one-way links in the first day? I don't think so.

      Is it natural to acquire a mixture of one-way and two-way links from a variety of related pages over a period of weeks or months? Absolutely, if the content is good.

      So how do you know if the content is good?

      Google takes their best guess by looking at the number and type of backlinks, and where those links come from.

      Kind of a circular question, I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
    The PR of a site will fluctuate.
    It may be PR0, but have a lot of relevant traffic. Likewise it may be PR5 and have little traffic.

    The PR5 link helps with SEO, but the PR0 link may simply produce raw traffic.

    If the PR0 link produced 90 unique ad quality visitors per day, and you can convert 1 in 100 quality visitors to buyers, I think a few PR0 links like that could add up to nice additional traffic.

    Remember, not everyone goes through Google. Maybe the site isn't blessed by Google, but if it has a strong following or heavy favor from another search engine, it could be important as well.

    PR only reflects Google Love, not User Love, not Yahoo! Love, MSN Love, etc.

    As for backlinks from non-related or semi related sites, the semi related sites will probably be better quality traffic, and say fashion -> jewelry isn't a huge leap.

    If a quality site outside your niche is available, sure, you can take the link, but make sure the site is a good one you won't regret later.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hanuka
    Thanks for the clear answer m8, most appreciated
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  • Profile picture of the author logosi
    I would think that any site worth it's salt, over time would have an abundance of links from every PR, that's the natural part of the equation that we all talk about. This was already stated above by Tom (sort of). I go for relevance, but then there are others who say simply links.

    Who know, maybe a car site would say... hey guys it's okay if you love dogs, they need love too. Thus a link from an automotive site to a pet site. It's a web out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bishop81
    I feel that PR0's are still valuable even though they don't give as my PR to the site. Yes, more relevant sites are better to have links pointing to your site, but in the end, I feel that any backlink will still help. It might just take more of them.

    These are my thoughts, though, and can't be considered as facts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hanuka
    Thanks for the answers y'all xD

    But say.. how do I go about getting many relevant PR0 backlinks?
    I mean, for a pr2+ backlink I'm willing to dedicate some time and hustle about
    to get it.

    But for PR0 I can't possible waste as much time as I waste on the PR2+ backlinks.. can I? :/
    I mean.. getting 800+ PR0 backlinks seems like a massive headache.

    If lets say I post in forums(and have a link to my site from my sig), and each thread has on
    average PR0, so each post that I made is counted as another PR0 back to my site? just askin`..
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    plzzz answar
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Remember that PR0 backlink can grow to become PR1, PR2, or PR3 backlink in the next Google update.

    And, don't have to worry about "how many should I get for PR0, how many to get for PR4, how many to get for PR8, etc"

    Just keep on getting links naturally.

    The important thing it to keep a good variety in terms of the type of backlinks (ie. forum backlinks, run-of-site links, single backlink, multiple backlinks, etc) and the PR backlinks.


    It will work well.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi Anthony,

      I really think you've got it wrong when it comes to what quality means as it applies to backlinks. PR or Pagerank is not an indication of quality. I realize a lot of people think that it is, I'm here to tell you they are all wrong. If this upsets your world, I'm sorry but it's time you knew the truth.

      Sure there is some merit in having a higher PR but it is secondary to what is really important. If you focus on the top three most important factors in determining the value of a link, you will have a good grasp of what makes one link more valuable than another. Let me list the three most important factors for you:
      1. Targeted Relevant Traffic
      2. Targeted Relevant Traffic
      3. Targeted Relevant Traffic
      There you have it, the secret is now exposed. If you focus on these three factors, you will master the formula for determining the quality of a backlink.

      A site that has lots of targeted relevant traffic will always be more valuable than a site that has little or none of this, regardless of the length of the little green line on the toolbar. PR has nothing to do with it.
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    kk, thx m8 xD
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    I always look at PR0 sites as an investment, over time, depending on how that webmaster markets his/her site, their PR will increase.
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  • Profile picture of the author semie
    ultimately a link is still a link. if the pr0 site is relevant to your niche and then it can be somewhat valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author sparrow
    This whole PR thing is a lot of crap, and a scheme put together by Google for monitoring, you never really know what the true PR is so you should only look at this as a last indicator

    The true acid test is to look at the site itself, if it is relevant and is something you want to be associated with then go with it

    Google has always said they want a good visitor experience and you should not be gaming the system

    Using the PR Crack is trying the game the system, this is why I feel in many cases its BS, only Google knows what the true indicators are for rankings and page rank

    I also know this from my testing and monitoring links many of my lower PR links show when the higher one are never to be seen as links, in addition how many times do you see PR0 sites taking top rankings with very few links I see this all the time so if the PR we see in the Google toolbar was true you would not have a chance in getting rankings, because Google reports the little green line says so.

    This is why I doubt seriously the toolbar is accurate in the way we think it counts.

    So why buck the system Google has laid it out what they expect a good website to be

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  • Profile picture of the author Solidsnake
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    PR0 is still better... Not all PR0 means the website is nothing because it has PR0... It might be a new website... better to have a link from it so that the moment if gets PR2, you are lucky...
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  • Profile picture of the author A Chandler SEO
    Originally Posted by Hanuka View Post

    I've been hearing over and over from people that backlinks are all about
    the quality and not the quantity and that you shouldn't
    waste your time on rubbish backlinks cos 1 pr4 backlink is worth like hundreds
    of pr0 backlinks.

    But when I look at some of the SEO savvy people's sites (like Andy Jenkins's A2Armory site or Brad Fallons's wedding favors site)
    I notice that they focus their attention on the pr3/4- backlinks
    and no on the pr4+ ones..
    The result is that they have hundreds of pr0 and pr1 backlinks and
    quite few pr4+ backlinks.. what confuses me greatly as why SEO pros like
    themselves still bother to get rubbish backlinks to their site?

    I was enitially planning on focusing all my time on high quality backlinks
    and little to no time on the pr0 ones... but now I'm tottaly confused... :/

    Does Google look also the the quantity of the backlinks whenever it's ranking
    sites?

    Thanks in advance for any answers.

    Cheers,
    Anthony xD
    You assume that they asked for these links. They most likely didn't. We never ask for links. Any links that we have is because of forum or blog comments (which we control) or they are from sites that chose to link to us. This we can not control. So there is going to be a lot of low PR links.

    As long as a link is relevant to my business I will be glad to have it. Those that aren't, to that I say, Oh, well.
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  • Profile picture of the author tim_buchalka
    Make sure you spend some time looking into how that particular page your linking to ranks.

    I've gotten some great traffic from PR0's which are in a great position in the organic search result. Let's face it, it's not really that hard to get a brand new domain ranking well in the search engines if you know what you're doing.

    And if that page is ranking well, and it's in my niche, then yes I want a link from it thank you very much, PR0 or not.

    I rarely bother focusing on pagerank, I tend to agree with others that it is to a large degree hype or at least the PR rank you see in your browser is many months out of date.

    Natural is good, in a real "natural" world you would have all types of sites with different pageranks linking to you, wouldn't you?

    And as others have pointed out, if you do believe the PR stuff, some/many of these PR0's will eventually mature into PR1's, 2's, and higher.

    I've even gone to the trouble of assisting pages I have a link on but that are owned by someone else. e.g. driving backlinks to that page. Knowing it will have a positive impact for me.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author ezimedia
    HI

    Some great replies here, and I don't worry about PR,, it is nice to have a good PR on your site,, but I just focus on building as many backs as I can, from pr0 or pr4-5 sites , its all the same from me..

    Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author yaji
    I have a site with low PR but appear top in some keywords. Personally I don't care about PR. I looking into PR only when I notice a site has high PR but appear way back in G SERPs. Then I may suspect a sandbox effect has accurred to that site..
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  • Profile picture of the author jmccoyfl
    Look at the quality of the site you are considering more than the PR. A new site may have a PR0 today but that doesn't mean in won't grow into a high PR site in the future if the webmaster is good and actively promotes the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnsamuels
    as long as its indexed, it will help a bit. plus that pr0 may not be pr 0 forever...
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
    Don't forget SITES do not have PageRank, pages do!
    On my sites I have internal pages that have higher PR, according to the Google ToyTool, than the index page. As somebody else noted, PR changes but the visible PR you see in the ToyBar is at least a few weeks out of date and may be several months old, it also may not reflect the value given to the page by Google's internal ranking algorithm.
    On this basis it is not sensible to reject ANY link from ANY page - they are all good! (Even pages that are not in the visible index - all that is necessary for it to give value to the link is that Google should have spidered the page. (when referring to Google PageRank and not some form of ranking given by other search engines)
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  • Profile picture of the author BigBossPassion
    Yeh it surely worth if it is free..
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  • Profile picture of the author jasbloger
    PR is not everything. A link from PR 1 site that have content similar to Youre keywords can be stronger than PR 3 link form page not connected with Your content. It's all about quality, not jus PR
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  • Profile picture of the author peteranswers
    It shouldn't matter to you what the PR is now, you need to think to the future. If the site is good, has good content that is frequently being updated, is targetted to a niche, etc, you can assume that later it will move up in PR. Maybe two years later that little PR0 website is now a PR5 website and you are still benefitting from those links from years ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnsamuels
    yeah with good anchor text even a pr 0 is worth something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hanuka
    Aye, thanks for the answers all! xD
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    When I started in IM, all my sites were PR0... Now, they have more.

    So I would say yes.

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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    When I started in IM, all my sites were PR0... Now, they have more.

    So I would say yes because PR0 today is PR after 3 months...

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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Friend
    Personally I usually go with high PR sites unless I feel the site is worth considering as it may grow in PR at a later date. I usually look for good content, good optimisation and site structure. Pay attention to who is already linking to them and who they are linking to. Ultimately in time, considering some sites and making an educated decision can see you reap some reward at a later date. I would spend some time researching the sites and watch them over a period of time to see if the grow in content and links.
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  • Profile picture of the author sylvia88
    better if more and more backlink
    ...particularly PRs are over our web
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  • Profile picture of the author rahulmagi
    link from a well reputated and authroty site counts no matters what is the pr so look for good quality sites.pr will come automatically..
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    • Profile picture of the author freetraff
      Who told PR0 is rubbish?

      If the page is relevant, backlink from any page is great.

      And if you take into account that it is much easier to build LOTS of backlinks with pages with small PR, then it becomes even more exciting.

      I have Google page 1 for 'free traffic' (~ 3 mln inanchor competitors) and most of the backlinks I have (I assume 90-95%) are from the PR0 pages.

      Do you need any better proofs that PR0 pages are great for building backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author ebizza
    What freetraff said is correct.

    And many PR0 links grow to become PR1+ eventually.
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  • Profile picture of the author danjoe
    Agree they may grow to PR_+ but I usually ignore and dont target the PR0 links.
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  • Profile picture of the author krishananda
    Some of my clients in link building asked the same question, so I said to them why not restate the statement the other way around.
    If you submit links to high PR sites what warranty do you have that the PR increase on the next PR update? PR can decrease.

    So don't think about it too much, better get on working and spread the links. PR 0 pages still good for backlinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      But don't forget the "status" of your own site (almost afraid to say PR here).

      I have an older site that had many PR0 links when I started it - simply because it was a new site with a PR0 too. A few years later (and some cleanup here and there of links) - most of the links to it are from sites with PR4 and 5 because those sites grew as mine did.

      You can over analyze it to death - but some links from good sites that are closely related in topic to your own are always good. The really good ones send traffic as well as just being "a link".

      It's not just about "getting links to my site" - it's about your site becoming part of the linked web community of that niche.

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      • Profile picture of the author krishananda
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        But don't forget the "status" of your own site (almost afraid to say PR here).

        I have an older site that had many PR0 links when I started it - simply because it was a new site with a PR0 too. A few years later (and some cleanup here and there of links) - most of the links to it are from sites with PR4 and 5 because those sites grew as mine did.

        You can over analyze it to death - but some links from good sites that are closely related in topic to your own are always good. The really good ones send traffic as well as just being "a link".

        It's not just about "getting links to my site" - it's about your site becoming part of the linked web community of that niche.

        kay
        Nicely said kay, I agree with your statement - be a part of the linked web community of a niche
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    • Profile picture of the author freetraff
      Originally Posted by krishananda View Post

      If you submit links to high PR sites what warranty do you have that the PR increase on the next PR update? PR can decrease.
      Awesome. Brilliant idea!
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmacca
    hundreds of pr0-1 are better than none at all
    They all have some sort of value so they are worth getting
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