Duplicate Content & Google

ruxi

16 years ago

yes it is consider as duplicate content you should choose unique way or add something new to your content

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J Bold

16 years ago

I see SEO experts say all the time that duplicate content is a myth.

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by redicelander

I see SEO experts say all the time that duplicate content is a myth.

I bet you didn't test it yourself!

Duplicate content is no value to Google, and Google won't show it unless:

1. You had tons of links to it.
2. There are no other unique content available yet.

Please proof me wrong, I like to see SERP with duplicate content that don't meet this 2 conditions.

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I bet you didn't test it yourself!

Duplicate content is no value to Google, and Google won't show it unless:

1. You had tons of links to it.
2. There are no other unique content available yet.

Please proof me wrong, I like to see SERP with duplicate content that don't meet this 2 conditions.

I can pove this wrong with no problem at all .. Matter fact I already posted on a forum proving this very thing. I will not post the links here though but I will tell you this before anybody listens to that advice I suggest they go test.

You can very easily take over the top few spots on google with the exact same article with no backlinks at all..

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Kay King 16 years ago

yes it is consider as duplicate content you should choose unique way or add something new to your content

That is wrong.

Use the search on this forum and look for threads about duplicate content and get the facts. Every time this same question is asked, wrong answers are given.

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I can pove this wrong with no problem at all .. Matter fact I already posted on a forum proving this very thing. I will not post the links here though but I will tell you this before anybody listens to that advice I suggest they go test.

You can very easily take over the top few spots on google with the exact same article with no backlinks at all..

James

Please post the links, I want to learn what you have to say...

Just did some search and found this:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post361379

Apparently you agreed to spinning articles, and I also agree there is not "duplicated content penalty"!

However, I must stress this - Google prefer unique content, that's why this applies:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post361324

Spinning articles and make it as unique as possible proves to have Google "love"!

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kausarkhan

16 years ago

If you are copying articles from article directories and posting at your blog or website, it is consider as replication, not duplication. Google will still rank your content if you have page rank for your website or blog but the importance goes to the original publisher because you are backlinking thier website as a source (from where you have copied).

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kausarkhan

If you are copying articles from article directories and posting at your blog or website, it is consider as replication, not duplication. Google will still rank your content if you have page rank for your website or blog but the importance goes to the original publisher because you are backlinking thier website as a source (from where you have copied).

This is wrong ... Google has no idea who the "original publisher" is .. PR has nothing to do with it either, backlinks has a great deal to do with it. I personally do not re-publish anyones articles but many on this very forum do and yes they can outrank the "original publisher" easily with backlinks.

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This is wrong ... Google has no idea who the "original publisher" is .. PR has nothing to do with it either, backlinks has a great deal to do with it. I personally do not re-publish anyones articles but many on this very forum do and yes they can outrank the "original publisher" easily with backlinks.

James

Yes! You have proved my point

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kausarkhan

If you are copying articles from article directories and posting at your blog or website, it is consider as replication, not duplication. Google will still rank your content if you have page rank for your website or blog but the importance goes to the original publisher because you are backlinking thier website as a source (from where you have copied).

That's what I'm saying...

But it seems that if you backlink a lot to all your posts, you still can have multiple listing of duplicated content!

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Please post the links, I want to learn what you have to say...

Just did some search and found this:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post361379

Apparently you agreed to spinning articles, and I also agree there is not "duplicated content penalty"!

However, I must stress this - Google prefer unique content, that's why this applies:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post361324

Spinning articles and make it as unique as possible proves to have Google "love"!

Kok Choon

I agree with spinning articles using the proper tool and spinning them properly (not just spinning articles).. The word "proper" must be included here. I also agree you do not have to spin articles, this is your choice to do so. Do I spin all of mine ? Nope. Some I do and some I don't, depends upon what mood I am in ..lol

With that said I wish someone would define the word "unique" because the fact is you can not define that word as many people have a different opinion on it's meaning. Those that claim spun articles are not unique just do not understand how to "properly" spin articles.

As I have always said and always will... A human spinner that gives the writer full control over his/her own article is the best way to go. All the words come directly from the writer himself and not some pre-set database.

Duplicate content is a myth simply put ... I can submit to 100 sites, does not mean they will all be indexed. This could also mean that site is not even indexed by google at all.. Sorry but I disagree with that 2nd link you posted (I never fully agreed if you read my reply) and this is also why people are told to test for their own self...

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I agree with spinning articles using the proper tool and spinning them properly (not just spinning articles).. The word "proper" must be included here. I also agree you do not have to spin articles, this is your choice to do so. Do I spin all of mine ? Nope. Some I do and some I don't, depends upon what mood I am in ..lol

At least you still spin articles, unique content is king

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

With that said I wish someone would define the word "unique" because the fact is you can not define that word as many people have a different opinion on it's meaning. Those that claim spun articles are not unique just do not understand how to "properly" spin articles.

Agreed, there are different degree of uniqueness here, as I said, Google prefer unique content, the more the better.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

As I have always said and always will... A human spinner that gives the writer full control over his/her own article is the best way to go. All the words come directly from the writer himself and not some pre-set database.

Duplicate content is a myth simply put ... I can submit to 100 sites, does not mean they will all be indexed. This could also mean that site is not even indexed by google at all.. Sorry but I disagree with that 2nd link you posted (I never fully agreed if you read my reply) and this is also why people are told to test for their own self...

James

Let's start a challenge here, let's pick a keyword we all agreed and start a thread just for experiment and fun!

We all prepare articles to that keyword and see who rank faster, who rank longer and who's articles dominate the search engine

That way, we all start from the same ground.

I invite James, Brandi, Loz and 1 more people to join me in this challenge, this would be fun!

Anyone vote for this challenge to begin?

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digidoodles

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Spinning articles and make it as unique as possible proves to have Google "love"!

Kok Choon

Let's break down a few things here:

Firstly, Pat Jackson showed a search in Google from a Michael Jackson song. It had the lyrics... on multiple sites, multiple domains and Google showed them all. (If Google ignores duplicate content, then why did it show all of these results that were the same?)

Secondly, spun articles in an article directory are good NOT because of "duplicate content" but because someone is more likely to pick up an article that isn't like 1,000 others, simply because that's human nature. We all want something "unique and special", in nearly every aspect of our lives, marketing notwithstanding. (You'll see these results in Google not because Google loves it more than anything else, but because it's out there and being crawled, simply. The same goes with the "duplicate content"-- Google will show it, simply because it's out there and being crawled.)

Thirdly, the whole duplicate content issue came about when people were putting duplicate content on the SAME DOMAIN, attempting to stuff for keywords.

Fourthly, if duplicate content is really an issue, then why are scraped sites so successful in making sales? (you need traffic to make sales... and appearing high in the search engine gives you traffic) Why is Greg Jacobs' system WP Mage so successful for him and others when not one backlink is generated, but the entire site is made up of "duplicate content", that is content that is found anywhere and not original?

Those who say that duplicate content DOES exist, (Loz), I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say about these issues.

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askloz

16 years ago

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Let's break down a few things here:

Firstly, Pat Jackson showed a search in Google from a Michael Jackson song. It had the lyrics... on multiple sites, multiple domains and Google showed them all. (If Google ignores duplicate content, then why did it show all of these results that were the same?)

One word "Authority"...

But authority only lasts so long.

When Michael died, millions and millions were linking to places, and talking and reciting his songs in text and what have you. It's no different than Traffic Geyser to blast out videos to heaps of places... what T.G was doing was creating a horde of links and videos on all these video sites with your keyword in the title and description and backlinks... when they all hit the surface at the same time, it creates that authority type presence to it, so google jumps on those pages and shows the same content.

If you do that now, you'll find that those places that came up before, are no longer, just the main authority sites will be.

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Secondly, spun articles in an article directory are good NOT because of "duplicate content" but because someone is more likely to pick up an article that isn't like 1,000 others, simply because that's human nature. We all want something "unique and special", in nearly every aspect of our lives, marketing notwithstanding. (You'll see these results in Google not because Google loves it more than anything else, but because it's out there and being crawled, simply. The same goes with the "duplicate content"-- Google will show it, simply because it's out there and being crawled.)

Google will ONLY show one duplicate article at one time, you can not compare loads of media sites with article directories, they're both weighted differently.

And spinning articles is just fine... who ever told you it wasn't, must be on drugs.

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Thirdly, the whole duplicate content issue came about when people were putting duplicate content on the SAME DOMAIN, attempting to stuff for keywords.

Yes, that's one part of their filter, but it does not mean there's other filters for the same content spread across these article directories.

Go run a test where you know you have 1 article spread across 100 article directories that were all indexed. How many show up when you type in your phrase?

1, right? Right! Google will ONLY show one result, why? cos you never pointed enough links to those other pages (article directories), you never created a wave of links, to give google the presence of that site to be worthy to check out. So it will show the other articles on page 2, 3, 4, etc, and if you phrase match the articles, say, the subject line, or a sentence, you'll notice that google will show approx 12-16 of those duplicate articles, with a link under the last result saying they ommited more results that matched your query and to click on it to view more results, when you do, bobs ya uncle, there's all your other links / articles that google will NOT count!

the other 12-16 that came up, the links in those articles lose weight as more dup content is found. I've done these tests years ago, and the fact still remains the same.

If you follow the "guidelines" that Google lays out, you'll find that you will not jump around in SE's SERP's when they have those algorithm updates... my rankings have remained stable throughout each one, while others have dropped off the planet or on page 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Do as Google says, and you'll see the rankings you want, copy what wiki-pedia are doing, build a relationship with your hosted pages, turn them into authority pages, give google a reason that the main page that links up to other pages of relevancy are in fact relevant, once google knows that, your rankings stay rock solid.

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Fourthly, if duplicate content is really an issue, then why are scraped sites so successful in making sales? (you need traffic to make sales... and appearing high in the search engine gives you traffic) Why is Greg Jacobs' system WP Mage so successful for him and others when not one backlink is generated, but the entire site is made up of "duplicate content", that is content that is found anywhere and not original?

No one said its not impossible to make money with dup content sites. Google changes the pages rankings all the time, they randomly change the page that ranked on page one, to push them back to page two, etc., some pages do stay on the same page for a while, all depends how you're getting your backlinks and how your site structure was made.

I told Greg on skype the other day, what he is doing is not a stable business... he said for as long as his sites were making him money, he was happy... fair play, fair enough, i got no quarrels about that... if something works for you, great... Greg is the type of guy that if something works, he'll do more of it, once it stops working, he'll work out why, but, he's not been in this game for as long as I have...

I said "what would you prefer, a site that makes money here and there regularly then drops off the face of the earth, or make sure it keeps making money"

in short, he said its like throwing S**t to the wall, eventually it slides off the wall. I said exactly, why not do something properly the first time round... he was more consumed in making money the way he was.. fine, that's his prerogative. I have proven time and time again, duplicate content is a lazy asses way to make money, its' not stable., my article directory for instance was receiving 2,000 to 4,000 unique visitors per day to 14,600 or so articles, my article directory was climbing to just under 10,000 alexa rank, then all of a sudden, boom, google update, and slowly those pages started to disappear.

Although wpmage is ok, its not a stable method of making money. but soon it will be after the advice i have given him over the course of the week recently.

At the end of the day, ppl are free to do as they wish... i on the other hand, like to do things properly. but i guess it takes a while for a person to realise what was said years ago, was something they should of listened to, today. just think of all the sites that would of doubled in revenue, rather than just becoming a domain name with content that makes crap all.

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digidoodles

16 years ago

You know, Loz, I'm not out here to convince you of anything.

But, you haven't proven anything other than simply saying "I've been doing this longer than ______ and I know what I'm talking about."

However, you've not established yourself as any authority because you've presented no actual evidence to counter what has been shown. Moreover, you kind of have a conflict of interest here... seeing you have some type of article directory and re-write thing "coming soon".

I'll leave you with this: the Michael Jackson example has nothing to do with him dying. Google any lyrics, same thing will happen. Including old stuff.

But, thankfully, Greg has you and your wisdom to guide him away from an absolute nightmare and disaster with your insightful knowledge in the past week. For that, I'm certain us Mage users will be forever in your debt.

Warmly,

Brandi

Originally Posted by askloz

One word "Authority"...

But authority only lasts so long.

When Michael died, millions and millions were linking to places, and talking and reciting his songs in text and what have you. It's no different than Traffic Geyser to blast out videos to heaps of places... what T.G was doing was creating a horde of links and videos on all these video sites with your keyword in the title and description and backlinks... when they all hit the surface at the same time, it creates that authority type presence to it, so google jumps on those pages and shows the same content.

If you do that now, you'll find that those places that came up before, are no longer, just the main authority sites will be.

Google will ONLY show one duplicate article at one time, you can not compare loads of media sites with article directories, they're both weighted differently.

And spinning articles is just fine... who ever told you it wasn't, must be on drugs.

Yes, that's one part of their filter, but it does not mean there's other filters for the same content spread across these article directories.

Go run a test where you know you have 1 article spread across 100 article directories that were all indexed. How many show up when you type in your phrase?

1, right? Right! Google will ONLY show one result, why? cos you never pointed enough links to those other pages (article directories), you never created a wave of links, to give google the presence of that site to be worthy to check out. So it will show the other articles on page 2, 3, 4, etc, and if you phrase match the articles, say, the subject line, or a sentence, you'll notice that google will show approx 12-16 of those duplicate articles, with a link under the last result saying they ommited more results that matched your query and to click on it to view more results, when you do, bobs ya uncle, there's all your other links / articles that google will NOT count!

the other 12-16 that came up, the links in those articles lose weight as more dup content is found. I've done these tests years ago, and the fact still remains the same.

If you follow the "guidelines" that Google lays out, you'll find that you will not jump around in SE's SERP's when they have those algorithm updates... my rankings have remained stable throughout each one, while others have dropped off the planet or on page 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Do as Google says, and you'll see the rankings you want, copy what wiki-pedia are doing, build a relationship with your hosted pages, turn them into authority pages, give google a reason that the main page that links up to other pages of relevancy are in fact relevant, once google knows that, your rankings stay rock solid.

No one said its not impossible to make money with dup content sites. Google changes the pages rankings all the time, they randomly change the page that ranked on page one, to push them back to page two, etc., some pages do stay on the same page for a while, all depends how you're getting your backlinks and how your site structure was made.

I told Greg on skype the other day, what he is doing is not a stable business... he said for as long as his sites were making him money, he was happy... fair play, fair enough, i got no quarrels about that... if something works for you, great... Greg is the type of guy that if something works, he'll do more of it, once it stops working, he'll work out why, but, he's not been in this game for as long as I have...

I said "what would you prefer, a site that makes money here and there regularly then drops off the face of the earth, or make sure it keeps making money"

in short, he said its like throwing S**t to the wall, eventually it slides off the wall. I said exactly, why not do something properly the first time round... he was more consumed in making money the way he was.. fine, that's his prerogative. I have proven time and time again, duplicate content is a lazy asses way to make money, its' not stable., my article directory for instance was receiving 2,000 to 4,000 unique visitors per day to 14,600 or so articles, my article directory was climbing to just under 10,000 alexa rank, then all of a sudden, boom, google update, and slowly those pages started to disappear.

Although wpmage is ok, its not a stable method of making money. but soon it will be after the advice i have given him over the course of the week recently.

At the end of the day, ppl are free to do as they wish... i on the other hand, like to do things properly. but i guess it takes a while for a person to realise what was said years ago, was something they should of listened to, today. just think of all the sites that would of doubled in revenue, rather than just becoming a domain name with content that makes crap all.

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by digidoodles

You know, Loz, I'm not out here to convince you of anything.

But, you haven't proven anything other than simply saying "I've been doing this longer than ______ and I know what I'm talking about."

The point is - popularity, the links pointing back to those songs!

Originally Posted by digidoodles

However, you've not established yourself as any authority because you've presented no actual evidence to counter what has been shown. Moreover, you kind of have a conflict of interest here... seeing you have some type of article directory and re-write thing "coming soon".

Again, I urge you join the challenge, Loz will show you how good he is.

I believe everyone is an expert in some area, I believe you are too. Loz need to prove himself, so are you, we all can have fun!

Originally Posted by digidoodles

I'll leave you with this: the Michael Jackson example has nothing to do with him dying. Google any lyrics, same thing will happen. Including old stuff.

But, thankfully, Greg has you and your wisdom to guide him away from an absolute nightmare and disaster with your insightful knowledge in the past week. For that, I'm certain us Mage users will be forever in your debt.

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

hen I suggest you start reading my posts... there's over 1900 of them mostly on SEO. I'm not gonna keep on sounding like a parrot if you're not willing to do your research.

I unlike you and many others here, do tests. Mainly because I have the time, most, just can't be arsed.

Common, that is not so nice... let's join the challenge, I can learn a lot of stuff from you too

Originally Posted by askloz

If you want me to keep repeating the same things I have proven over and over again, sorry, but you have another thing coming.

If you don't want to listen to my advice, fine... no probs here, no skin off my noise... I just tell peeps here what I know works, based on tried, heavily tested and proven methods.

As for your other wobble, wotever. I've proven what I am capable of, whether you took wind of it or not, not my problem.

We can talk about this all day, but what is the point? Let's do some serious experiment to prove the points, while learning new stuff from it, isn't that better?

Please join the challenge, James, Loz, Brandi, Me and 1 more!

PM me if you guys are interested, I'll arrange everything

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kkchoon

16 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

One word "Authority"...

But authority only lasts so long.

When Michael died, millions and millions were linking to places, and talking and reciting his songs in text and what have you. It's no different than Traffic Geyser to blast out videos to heaps of places... what T.G was doing was creating a horde of links and videos on all these video sites with your keyword in the title and description and backlinks... when they all hit the surface at the same time, it creates that authority type presence to it, so google jumps on those pages and shows the same content.

Agreed, as to my knowledge, authority or "links" is the key to ranking high in SERP, have yet seen a site with no links can outrank authority sites.

Originally Posted by askloz

If you do that now, you'll find that those places that came up before, are no longer, just the main authority sites will be.

Google will ONLY show one duplicate article at one time, you can not compare loads of media sites with article directories, they're both weighted differently.

And spinning articles is just fine... who ever told you it wasn't, must be on drugs.

I used to think like you, but someone else show me the link to duplicate articles listing, I've changed my POV.

I find that those sites have tons of backlinks and authority, no wonder they rank high.

From the long tail keyword marketer perspective, we want our article to have multiple listing in low competition keywords, that's why we spin the article and optimize each of them to rank well in the SERP, even without backlinks.

Now, it seems like with tons of backlinks, I can rank for more competitive keywords, even with duplicated content

This is awesome! Just too much work...

Originally Posted by askloz

Yes, that's one part of their filter, but it does not mean there's other filters for the same content spread across these article directories.

Go run a test where you know you have 1 article spread across 100 article directories that were all indexed. How many show up when you type in your phrase?

My guest would be one, unless you have backlinks to all of them

But, when you type your article name in Google, it will show all your articles, that's duplicated content!!

Because no other articles had the same title, if they do, the result would be different.

Originally Posted by askloz

1, right? Right! Google will ONLY show one result, why? cos you never pointed enough links to those other pages (article directories), you never created a wave of links, to give google the presence of that site to be worthy to check out. So it will show the other articles on page 2, 3, 4, etc, and if you phrase match the articles, say, the subject line, or a sentence, you'll notice that google will show approx 12-16 of those duplicate articles, with a link under the last result saying they ommited more results that matched your query and to click on it to view more results, when you do, bobs ya uncle, there's all your other links / articles that google will NOT count!

Precisely! you said it all.

Originally Posted by askloz

the other 12-16 that came up, the links in those articles lose weight as more dup content is found. I've done these tests years ago, and the fact still remains the same.

If you follow the "guidelines" that Google lays out, you'll find that you will not jump around in SE's SERP's when they have those algorithm updates... my rankings have remained stable throughout each one, while others have dropped off the planet or on page 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

If would be helpful if you have a link to your example...

Originally Posted by askloz

Do as Google says, and you'll see the rankings you want, copy what wiki-pedia are doing, build a relationship with your hosted pages, turn them into authority pages, give google a reason that the main page that links up to other pages of relevancy are in fact relevant, once google knows that, your rankings stay rock solid.

No one said its not impossible to make money with dup content sites. Google changes the pages rankings all the time, they randomly change the page that ranked on page one, to push them back to page two, etc., some pages do stay on the same page for a while, all depends how you're getting your backlinks and how your site structure was made.

Auto blogging works! Backlinks still the key to ranking, if anyone say otherwise - prove it!

Originally Posted by askloz

I told Greg on skype the other day, what he is doing is not a stable business... he said for as long as his sites were making him money, he was happy... fair play, fair enough, i got no quarrels about that... if something works for you, great... Greg is the type of guy that if something works, he'll do more of it, once it stops working, he'll work out why, but, he's not been in this game for as long as I have...

Just the preference of people, but I would love a long term lasting business.

Originally Posted by askloz

I said "what would you prefer, a site that makes money here and there regularly then drops off the face of the earth, or make sure it keeps making money"

in short, he said its like throwing S**t to the wall, eventually it slides off the wall. I said exactly, why not do something properly the first time round... he was more consumed in making money the way he was.. fine, that's his prerogative. I have proven time and time again, duplicate content is a lazy asses way to make money, its' not stable., my article directory for instance was receiving 2,000 to 4,000 unique visitors per day to 14,600 or so articles, my article directory was climbing to just under 10,000 alexa rank, then all of a sudden, boom, google update, and slowly those pages started to disappear.

Actually, there is another way to this.

Why not convert all auto blogs into powerful affiliate machine? Don't just build content for adsense, build those blogs around different topics for affiliate products, and like James - his own product?

I must say that James is a smart guy to sell his own product and services, I start to shift my business from affiliate to product development, see more potential there

!

Originally Posted by askloz

Although wpmage is ok, its not a stable method of making money. but soon it will be after the advice i have given him over the course of the week recently.

At the end of the day, ppl are free to do as they wish... i on the other hand, like to do things properly. but i guess it takes a while for a person to realise what was said years ago, was something they should of listened to, today. just think of all the sites that would of doubled in revenue, rather than just becoming a domain name with content that makes crap all.

WP Mage makes ton of money just teaching people these stuff, again, how many people really make serious money without their own product?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Let's break down a few things here:

Firstly, Pat Jackson showed a search in Google from a Michael Jackson song. It had the lyrics... on multiple sites, multiple domains and Google showed them all. (If Google ignores duplicate content, then why did it show all of these results that were the same?)

Yes, if you look closely, tell me which site on the top 10 don't have links?

My point is not duplicate content, is links. I first tough that Google will "absolutely" not show duplicated content for main keywords (Still the example shows long tail), but after I see the example, I changed my statement to:

Google prefer unique content!

I am opening to any suggestion and proof, only proof will change my view

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Secondly, spun articles in an article directory are good NOT because of "duplicate content" but because someone is more likely to pick up an article that isn't like 1,000 others, simply because that's human nature. We all want something "unique and special", in nearly every aspect of our lives, marketing notwithstanding. (You'll see these results in Google not because Google loves it more than anything else, but because it's out there and being crawled, simply. The same goes with the "duplicate content"-- Google will show it, simply because it's out there and being crawled.)

You said it, we prefer unique, what you think Google would like?

Google loves unique content and will always do, and the reason duplicated content shows on SERP, because:

1. Google can't find more unique result, show duplicate is better than nothing.

2. Links is the heart of Google ranking, that's why all duplicated pages shown. I know James claimed he can do it without links, I invite him to the challenge, so are you, Brandi.

The challenge will be fun and knowledgeable, many Warriors would love to see the result and learn from this challenge, so am I.

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Thirdly, the whole duplicate content issue came about when people were putting duplicate content on the SAME DOMAIN, attempting to stuff for keywords.

100% agreed, no argument here.

Originally Posted by digidoodles

Fourthly, if duplicate content is really an issue, then why are scraped sites so successful in making sales? (you need traffic to make sales... and appearing high in the search engine gives you traffic) Why is Greg Jacobs' system WP Mage so successful for him and others when not one backlink is generated, but the entire site is made up of "duplicate content", that is content that is found anywhere and not original?

The answer is obvious - volume, quantity!

You said yourself on previous post, WP Mage don't need links, but I see they do! In their OTO page, they mention about an automated backlink building system!

WP Mage just proves my statement - Google prefer links over content.

I've yet seen (not that they don't exists) an autoblog system making tons of money with a single site, but do see many auto blogs add up to very lucrative income!

We, SEO marketer can build one authority site and get as much as 7 figures income yearly, I doubt auto blog that.

I use article marketing, auto blogs (as feeder sites) and authority sites to generate income, and all works well!

There is no one system better than the other, I use all of them

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Those who say that duplicate content DOES exist, (Loz), I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say about these issues.

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oscarkool

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I can pove this wrong with no problem at all .. Matter fact I already posted on a forum proving this very thing. I will not post the links here though but I will tell you this before anybody listens to that advice I suggest they go test.

You can very easily take over the top few spots on google with the exact same article with no backlinks at all..

James

No James, you are in fact incorrect. I know you stand firm on this and nothing I say will change your mine, but it is indeed a fact stated by google that if you scrape articles that were indexed, your site will not do well in google serp. It might rank well in other search engines, but not in google. If you can prove otherwise, then go ahead because I have proof from google stating otherwise. Scraping content will not help you rank high in serps. End of story, case CLOSED.

If you really need more proof: http://www.google.com/support/forum/...acb09e9c&hl=en

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by oscarkool

No James, you are in fact incorrect. I know you stand firm on this and nothing I say will change your mine, but it is indeed a fact stated by google that if you scrape articles that were indexed, your site will not do well in google serp. It might rank well in other search engines, but not in google. If you can prove otherwise, then go ahead because I have proof from google stating otherwise. Scraping content will not help you rank high in serps. End of story, case CLOSED.

If you really need more proof: Does Scraping Content Affect Rank? - Webmaster Central Help

Excuse me ??? When have I ever posted anything about scraping articles ??? Never have I done such a thing. I do not scrape any content and as such I will not comment on it..

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Karan Goel

16 years ago

It is definitely duplicate content! And, you may even be banned

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by K Goel

It is definitely duplicate content! And, you may even be banned

Did not even bother to read the thread or even view the video Tim posted (Thanks Tim)..

This is the reason why this myth will never die because people are to lazy to actually take action and read something that has been proven a million times over...

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4morereferrals

16 years ago

Some folks are talking of trying to RANK the dupe content ... which was not the OP's query... while others are discussing whether the dupe content will result in some sort of penalty by google ...

I for one could care less about "ranking" dupe content ... I just want the backlinks from it. Meaning I want ot put my content - dupe/ semi-dupe/ spun / exact copy et al ... on web porperties and have it indexed and the links count - as they all point to the original content :-)

So the interesting thing to me in this thread is - the fine print by Loz.

you'll notice that google will show approx 12-16 of those duplicate articles, with a link under the last result saying they ommited more results that matched your query and to click on it to view more results, when you do, bobs ya uncle, there's all your other links / articles that google will NOT count!

So Loz ... Im not disagreeing, Im wanting to know how I could TEST whether google "counted" / "gave me credit for", the backlinks in the duplicate content in the supplemental index - as you mention above. Yes Ive seen my dupe content on sites all over the web that is in that "Supplemental Index" results.

Is there a way we can know for sure which pieces of the dupe content google is and isnt counting?

Ive done a little testing - but Im not sure of the results?

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paulgl 16 years ago

Originally Posted by K Goel

It is definitely duplicate content! And, you may even be banned

Now we're even talking about getting "banned."

I can't help but wonder if that's a joke(?)

Oh man...ezine WANTS people to publish the articles!!!!!!!

Sorry. I could not resist posting in this thread. Sorry
that I just prolonged the agony.

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by redicelander

I see SEO experts say all the time that duplicate content is a myth.

It is a myth and this has not just been said but proven... Even google itself released a video stating the exact same thing. It was posted here on WF but I think someone removed the thread..

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

It is a myth and this has not just been said but proven... Even google itself released a video stating the exact same thing. It was posted here on WF but I think someone removed the thread..

James

Here is the video with a Google search engineer telling us that there is no duplicate content penalty. it was a very interesting video and I recomend that if you have not seen it that you check it out. He pretty much says it in no uncertain terms, there is no duplicate content penalty.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...39/6hSoXutuj0g

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Treby

16 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

Here is the video with a Google search engineer telling us that there is no duplicate content penalty. it was a very interesting video and I recomend that if you have not seen it that you check it out. He pretty much says it in no uncertain terms, there is no duplicate content penalty.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...39/6hSoXutuj0g

Sorry, I can't embed it. You will just have to click the link to see the video.

Very interesting great post thank you.

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askloz 16 years ago

if SEO Experts are saying there's no such thing as duplicate content or it's a myth, then they aint an seo expert.

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I see SEO experts say all the time that duplicate content is a myth.
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  if SEO Experts are saying there's no such thing as duplicate content or it's a myth, then they aint an seo expert.
  
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CliveG

16 years ago

There have been many threads on this forum about this topic, some of which have contained advice that I believe to be just wrong. Rather than repeat what I have said previously, I suggest that you search Google's own site for "duplicate content" as nothing else is authoritative.

Or you can just look at: Duplicate content - Webmasters/Site owners Help

which includes the statement "If you find that another site is duplicating your content by scraping (misappropriating and republishing) it, it's unlikely that this will negatively impact your site's ranking in Google search results pages."

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edpudol1973

16 years ago

Watch this video http://videoforward.com/video.php?video=1719 , engineer from google discuss duplicate content issue.

And I believe as long as you use the article in different site no problem with that. It only considered duplicate when you use it at the same site. Just my opinion base on the video above

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16 years ago

I wonder if google is going to try and filter autoblog type sites with the upcoming caffine update

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16 years ago

Thats Pretty Professional..

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Kay King 16 years ago

And so polite and helpful,too.

New article marketers don't NEED to know the fine points - they need the basics to get started and the rest they will pick up as they go.

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askloz

16 years ago

Kok, with all due respect... I don't need to re-prove anything. I've done and concluded my tests years ago, and those conclusive tests are what I adopt to my SEO techniques to this very day. I have images on my VGTP site of some of the sites that generated me many thousands of hits per day... They were all drawn from conclusive testing that took a while to complete, then adopted into my very own sites.

What were the tests?

Basically following google's guidelines and analyzing the top ranked sites in great detail. And working on some of the most powerful onpage seo one can do. Similar to what George Brown was doing that I was doing years before he even got online, but going more deeply at page structure, sentence structure, prominence and proximity of keywords and in-content linking, semantic content linking, etc, etc.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

Kok, with all due respect... I don't need to re-prove anything. I've done and concluded my tests years ago, and those conclusive tests are what I adopt to my SEO techniques to this very day. I have images on my VGTP site of some of the sites that generated me many thousands of hits per day... They were all drawn from conclusive testing that took a while to complete, then adopted into my very own sites.

What were the tests?

Basically following google's guidelines and analyzing the top ranked sites in great detail. And working on some of the most powerful onpage seo one can do. Similar to what George Brown was doing that I was doing years before he even got online, but going more deeply at page structure, sentence structure, prominence and proximity of keywords and in-content linking, semantic content linking, etc, etc.

Although I am bias towards your point of view, just would love to do more experiment here!

People loves to see the result, so do I. Not only we can learn much from each other, any kind of challenge or experiment will help us discover new truth and new things.

Please reconsider my invitation...

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Although I am bias towards your point of view, just would love to do more experiment here!

Then do some testing, then and you wont become bias... and it's inappropriate of you to be bias when you have nothing to be bias on since you haven't done the testing yet.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

People loves to see the result, so do I. Not only we can learn much from each other, any kind of challenge or experiment will help us discover new truth and new things.

Please reconsider my invitation...

Kok Choon

Want results?

There ya go, just one of my sites. BTW, that's in the Forex Niche.

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kkchoon 16 years ago

Hi Loz,

I am super interested with James "no backlink system" but still rank high for his targeted keyword, that's what he claimed, and I would love to see and experience it; although I have yet buy into this claim, but I respect his claim, and want to learn from him if this is true!

While Brandi so confidence the mage system will work without backlinks, which I pointed out - that is not true. Mage system do have backlink building but they somehow automated it as claimed in their OTO page, that's why I invited her to join too.

As far as you Loz, your experience is the closest to mine, that's why I said I'm bias towards your point of view, but I want my mind to be open to all kind of possibility here.

So I invite all to a challenge, or an experiment if we can name it that!

People claim this and that but never prove anything, I only change my view when it is the fact, those people who claim but don't show prove, not only they withdrawing their claim in a way, but they also proves nothing.

Your site data doesn't match my topic - to rank for some keywords, with links and without link - 2 systems.

It is not how much traffic you can get, it is the matter of being able to rank for competitive keywords without links!

Unless you are too busy in the forums, why not join me to prove the point? You can establish your authority by proving yourself, and I can learn few more tricks from everyone, that's a win win situation for everybody !

If you are out, I will wait for Brandi and James reply, and if anyone would like to join, please PM me...

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16 years ago

I dont need to prove anything to you!

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kkchoon 16 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

I dont need to prove anything to you!

I didn't ask, why do you think you need to prove to me for anything? LOL!
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warrich

16 years ago

99% chances that you will be caught for copyrighting you'll not get enough performance on search engines , might be you will be penalise for this

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kkchoon 16 years ago

Originally Posted by warrich

99% chances that you will be caught for copyrighting you'll not get enough performance on search engines , might be you will be penalise for this

I've no idea what are you trying to say? :confused::confused::confused:
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16 years ago

i am talking about duplicate content on website

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kkchoon 16 years ago

Originally Posted by warrich

i am talking about duplicate content on website

If this is the case, you are wrong

Because there are 2 factors you can rank well with duplicated content, and Google doesn't really care about it until you complaint...

The 2 factors to rank for duplicated content:

1. Your keyword for that content has very few related content, so Google will show multiple list even if that is duplicated content.

2. You have a lot of links to those content, Google trust those links and your contents will show!
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Treby

16 years ago

You know this is a old link and the same thing comes up "Google" yes you need their ranking,however if you are a affiliate marketer they hate those pages,but again there are websites out there with huge backlinks and **** content doing well-
my point is this-yes duplicate content is bad-but hey,it is all duplicate content written with different words-talk about a dog anal problem-heaps of sites basic same content on what to do-my point is this-
I have friends that spend $5000 a month on Adwords to make $8000-they have no idea about backlinks or duplicate articles they do not care they make money-
when I have looked at their google analytic most traffic comes from google and social media like Stumbleupon-duplicate content to me is so common-change from English to french back to English we are still talking about the same thing-the only content that is different is if you blog about what you have eaten today or who you slept with-you want traffic pay for it or wait for ever-
if you were selling a painting or a car you might put it on Ebay etc,cost you money-can never understand how people think with billions of web sites out there they are going to hit the jackpot-I spend to my budget $200 a month to make $600 still in front-if I did not who will visit my candle making site-zip no one-only my view -Free Traffic in this day and age-cya

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fba

16 years ago

Hey All, this is my first post ever here in WF.

I did an experiment on this topic:

1_ I posted a unique article on a brand new domain
1.1_ Social Bookmarked it (digg, facebook, twitter, etc.)

2_ Afterwards, the same day, I posted the same article (with a link referring the first one above) on a sub domain on an older domain (pretty old one, 5 or 6 years old).
2.2_ Did nothing.

Results:

- The second domain (where I published the duplicate content) appears on the first page in google when you search for the keywords on the article.

- The domain where I published the article first appears on the second page.

None of them have been penalized.

I´m not sure whether or not google take in account the first one published, or if there is more weight on the ageness of the domain. Maybe when the new domain becomes older will rank better?

Cheers, just wanted to share this experiment with you guys.

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thmgoodw 16 years ago

Figured I would throw in a real life example of an article of mine. Fairly tough competition keyword. I posted an article to my main blog, and then submitted the same exact article to ezinearticles, goarticles, articlesbase, articlesnatch and usfreeads.

I really have only heavily backlinked the goarticles and articlesbase articles. Each of the other 3 have maybe 10% of the backlinks of the other ones. The only reason that I didn't focus at all on the ezinearticles is that it took 20 days (exactly) to get through the entire approval process with EZA, whereas I was able to start backlinking from day 1 with articliesbase and goarticles.

Well, when I search for my article in google, the article shows up at around the #12-13 slot in Google US. What's interesting, is about 50% of the time it shows the goarticles copy of the article, and 50% of the time it shows the articlesbase article. It will *never* show the other article in the top 100 (never looked past there). It always picks one or the other.

Now, if I do a site search like keyword site:articlesbase.com or keyword site:goarticles.com, the respective article always shows up as #1.

So at least for me, Google will not display the identical articles in its listings. Its clear to me that I'm not penalized for any of this, but there is Google won't show the duplicate content side by side.
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Alex.M

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chini

If you basically copy articles from ezine, post them on your blog, is this considered duplicate content which google would penalize by down grading your serp ranking?

yep,and there come's google and give a red cardboard

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AvidAZ

16 years ago

Yes and the original author has every right to make you remove the content too. Speaking from personal experience and legal threats.

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halfpoint 16 years ago

Originally Posted by AvidAZ

Yes and the original author has every right to make you remove the content too. Speaking from personal experience and legal threats.

Not necessarily. When you submit your content to most article directories you're giving anyone the right to use your content on their own sites.

I have a plugin that takes articles from ArticlesBase by keyword whenever I want. All completely in compliance with their terms of service.
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chini

16 years ago

Didn't expect to receieve so many responses to this thread, well like someone said before, im going to have to test it out myself. I personally believe from other information i have read that a penalty doesn't exist, because it would take google a long time to process through a **** load of sites to determine if content is duplicated.

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Doiron

16 years ago

Well here's a very unscientific example for you, but I think it's pertinent.

Aside from being in this silly IM business, I'm also an entertainer. I just googled my name with quotes and came up with 2,210 results. In skimming through them I can see that some are for some guy in England with the same name, but not the majority.

The summaries displayed are very similar in many cases, three identical ones on the first page alone, and two more on the second page, mainly because they reference a few different agents that I use, all with the same bio, along with my own website.

I can tell you that there aren't a lot of backlinks there - I wish there were.

And it's not because the sites are new - I've been performing for over 22 years - long before I had a presence on the internet.

So how come the same duplicate content shows up so often over these 2,000+ posts? I can only guess that it's because the whole duplicate content thing is a myth.

I think, that in this case, at least, the Google representatives are telling the truth.

Think of that! Google telling the truth. Imagine.

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