Is This The End Of Forum Profile Link Building?

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Boris_yo 14 years ago

But it somehow knows that i am spammer. How? Or is it just regular message inclining that administrator doesn't allow new registrations?
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kkchoon

14 years ago

I suspect they use few type of method to determine your action:

1. The forum software place a cookie in your browser - clear the catch
2. The forum track your ISP IP - Use proxy server
3. The forum banned all free email service - Register a domain (.com or .net seems to work for me) and get a private email account.

Try these or just skip that site!

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apple87jane

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I suspect they use few type of method to determine your action:

1. The forum software place a cookie in your browser - clear the catch
2. The forum track your ISP IP - Use proxy server
3. The forum banned all free email service - Register a domain (.com or .net seems to work for me) and get a private email account.

Try these or just skip that site!

Kok Choon

Wow....it's totally good Idea. This kind of forum might been spam too fierce by the spammer, so that they change the format to protect their forum site.
I heard that Kok Choon will be launching the link building automation software soon. It's so excited to wait it born. We can now build link by our self.

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websitemrktg

14 years ago

Maybe its your ip address or the email you are trying to use. If you are a spammer and you say you are, that may be how it knows. You may be on lists all over the net which they use to verify a clean spam record first.

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Flipfilter

14 years ago

It may have had something to do with a link in your Signature / profile info.

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Gary Becks

14 years ago

If you are not using proxies when creating links then this is your problem. You should also randomize your user names.

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aprilm

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Embions

If you are not using proxies when creating links then this is your problem. You should also randomize your user names.

Hey there! How do you use a proxy when creating forum profile links?

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Crew Chief 14 years ago

It depends...

If I read you question right...

If you are using SLD, SEO Link Dominator, then you simply enter your Proxy Server info into the Settings tab.

If you are doing it the Old Fashion Method by using a browser, if you are using Firefox, then you'd simply use the Firefox addon called Multiprox Switch to switch proxies on the fly.

Originally Posted by aprilm

Hey there! How do you use a proxy when creating forum profile links?
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Gary Becks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aprilm

Hey there! How do you use a proxy when creating forum profile links?

It depends on how you are creating your links. As the above poster has already mentioned, if you are using SEOLD than you can add your proxies in the settings tab, or you can just Add them in your IE tools menu.

I personally use proxies for everything I do online as I am running so many automated tools. But I would recommend using them even if I wasn't.

As Steve mentioned there are softwares that will do this for you although I have never heard of the one he uses. That isn't an actual proxy software is it Steve? Seems like something different. Anyhow I use this -->Proxy Software - Elite Proxy Switcher on both of my computers.

Additionally, if you need proxies I highly recommend Your Private Proxy I've only been using them for about a month now but I am a pretty happy with the service..

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searchnology 14 years ago

I think any type of SPAM will die a slow death. You had better build your online business on more solid and legitimate ground.

-Telemarketing (national do not call list)
-Junk mail (DMA do not mail list)
-Email (CANSPAM Act)
-Keyword stuffing
-Splogs

....and yes backlink spam.

....Umm but since it is a SLOW death keep spamming until it does die.
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TrafficMystic

14 years ago

Hidemyip is proxy software but you can choose your location etc for your ip which is also good if your testing any of your CPA ads in which only specific countries are allows to access them..

You can also change proxies every 10 mins automatically if you wish..

So if your using seo link dom , evo or senuke which use internet explorer as the browser component it works fine.

Originally Posted by Embions

It depends on how you are creating your links. As the above poster has already mentioned, if you are using SEOLD than you can add your proxies in the settings tab, or you can just Add them in your IE tools menu.

I personally use proxies for everything I do online as I am running so many automated tools. But I would recommend using them even if I wasn't.

As Steve mentioned there are softwares that will do this for you although I have never heard of the one he uses. That isn't an actual proxy software is it Steve? Seems like something different. Anyhow I use this -->Proxy Software - Elite Proxy Switcher on both of my computers.

Additionally, if you need proxies I highly recommend Your Private Proxy I've only been using them for about a month now but I am a pretty happy with the service..

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jazbo

14 years ago

nope its not the end, there are over 3 million forums on the net.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

LOL! and you guys say I am the alarmist

Yo boris - its one site. Don't sweat it man
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turntwo21 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jazbo

nope its not the end, there are over 3 million forums on the net.

Lol, well said
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mikkosant

14 years ago

Just one, move on to the next several thousand....

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Boris_yo 14 years ago

I had several of such sites on my way. And what if more and more forums will use that?

kkchoon,

I use SLD to build back links. How can i clear cache there?
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  Originally Posted by Boris_yo
  
  I had several of such sites on my way. And what if more and more forums will use that?
  
  kkchoon,
  
  I use SLD to build back links. How can i clear cache there?
  
  You need a proxy.. or use some software like 'hidemyip'
  
  --> Hide-My-IP.Com - Hide Your IP Address, Surf Anonymously, Protect Your Identity, Guard Against Hackers
  
  I bought the software last month and it works a treat..
  
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zigojacko

14 years ago

What is SLD?

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Steven Downward

14 years ago

THere are lots of different forum out on the net and you can always find another.

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Shaun Lee

14 years ago

Run a Google search for your email you used to register.

You should probably see a lot of spam complaints.

-Shaun

P.S This is just my guess.

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Goatboy

14 years ago

Perhaps they have figured out that the spam is coming from people who go directly to the register page rather than browsing the forum first. The implication of a direct jump would be that the spammers are working from a list and using the most efficient jump.

It seems like it should be simple enough for the board to determine how the applicant arrived at the page and then ban those that fit the profile of "working a list."

Either way, something is going on that is directly related to you or the way you arrive at the page, because when I examine the member roster, there are a number of profile signatures that are obviously advertising.

The signatures all appear to be "nofollow" btw.

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carertet

14 years ago

I would recommend that you find other sites to link build and be sure to read the rules and not do anything that it does not seem others are doing and getting away with.

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MarketItAll

14 years ago

Regardless of all of this though it is not the end of forum link building if that is what you are asking in any way. This is just one forum that you had an issue with, there are plenty of other forums out there that you can build links with.

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Joe118

14 years ago

Boris Yo, the sky is falling and the Martians are coming. It's the end! It will never again work! You are doomed!

NOT

Just move on.

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TrafficMystic

14 years ago

It has to be either ip or email. I tried the sites you sent onto me and they worked fine.

The thing is that even if a couple of them dont work it doesnt make much difference. We all expect to lost some of the links anyway .

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Boris_yo

14 years ago

I think i found what is causing forums to identify me as a spammer.

http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/85.64.40.19

If my email appears on this list, then all forums that pull data from this website are notified. Somebody reported me for sure...

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Now that you've identified the issue, you already got your answer from previous posts on how to eliminate any further problems. If you are using SLD, click on "Tools/Settings" and then click the settings tab and enter your Proxy Server Info.

Also, you need to use random email accounts so that you are not leaving a easily identifiable footprint. I have domains created primarily for the purpose of creating spoof email accounts. That may seem over the top for some, but it's kept me out of the dog house.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I suspect they use few type of method to determine your action:

1. The forum software place a cookie in your browser - clear the catch
2. The forum track your ISP IP - Use proxy server
3. The forum banned all free email service - Register a domain (.com or .net seems to work for me) and get a private email account.

Try these or just skip that site!

Kok Choon

Originally Posted by Embions

If you are not using proxies when creating links then this is your problem. You should also randomize your user names.

Originally Posted by TrafficMystic

You need a proxy.. or use some software like 'hidemyip'

--> Hide-My-IP.Com - Hide Your IP Address, Surf Anonymously, Protect Your Identity, Guard Against Hackers

I bought the software last month and it works a treat..

Originally Posted by Shaun Lee

Run a Google search for your email you used to register.

You should probably see a lot of spam complaints.

-Shaun

P.S This is just my guess.

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Boris_yo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

You need to use random email accounts so that you are not leaving a easily identifiable footprint. I have domains created primarily for the purpose of creating spoof email accounts. That may seem over the top for some, but it's kept me out of the dog house.

What do you mean? Creating email account for each forum and managing this is crazy!

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Boris_yo

Where do i get a list of proxies?

As far as proxies go, it depends on your level of technical acumen and your end objective. There's a number of providers on the market. I acquire proxies from a number of sources that I will not list because they don't appreciate being posted on forums. But a quick search on the WF and on Google and you'll find a number proxy providers such as Your Private Proxy, which I've used.

Also, if you aquire one of the many proxy lists available, you'll want to use a good proxy checker such as one of the ones from: Hell Labs :: Home or Proxy Software - Elite Proxy Switcher

Originally Posted by Boris_yo

What do you mean? Creating email account for each forum and managing this is crazy!

Not crazy, crazy like a fox! I use a two tier method to keep track of all of these accounts.

Tier #1 is the various software applications that I use that automatically opens accounts, activate accounts and stores all of the login info. I couldn't tell you any of the logins for those accounts but who cares, that's what the software is for.

Tier #2 is a Excel spreadsheet that contains all of accounts with forums profiles, e-mail accounts, Web 2.0 properties, directories, etc., not stored in any software application. using those is just a simple 3 to 4 second drill of copy and paste.

You're losing me Boris, what's so crazy about that? It's called the reality of Internet Marketing. Quoting another fellow Warrior, Kurt Melvin...

WARNING: If you're not willing to learn the skills and techniques needed to become a REAL top level SEOer...Then be prepared to compete against us!

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Boris_yo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Tier #1 is the various software applications that I use that automatically opens accounts, activate accounts and stores all of the login info. I couldn't tell you any of the logins for those accounts but who cares, that's what the software is for.

What software do you use?

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geyser

14 years ago

I guess it was an IP block or a Region block where in they receive a lot of spammers. If you are on that region then sorry for you, try to look on other forums.

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Boris_yo 14 years ago

Where do i get a list of proxies?
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emumbert1

14 years ago

I see a lot of forums built on the same platform and they all look alike. I wonder whether the forums have some type of connected security, and when you register through one that thinks you may be a spammer, it triggers a response with other forums?

Just a thought.

Steve

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cbpayne

14 years ago

Originally Posted by emumbert1

I see a lot of forums built on the same platform and they all look alike. I wonder whether the forums have some type of connected security, and when you register through one that thinks you may be a spammer, it triggers a response with other forums?

Yes there is a plugin in that does that. Spammers and profile link droppers get reported to a central database, that the forum will then block the user from registering at other forums.

I hope you all realize that more and more forums are now reporting profile link droppers to Google via the spam report tool as using this method of building links. Google have a blog post about not doing this, so assume that they either have or are about to have some scalable method to detect this type of link building and discount it.

I have a network of forums and we report up to a dozen sites a day via this. Profile link builders are low lifes and are increasing the work of forum administrators and moderators in banning and deleting them.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Yes there is a plugin in that does that. Spammers and profile link droppers get reported to a central database, that the forum will then block the user from registering at other forums.

I hope you all realize that more and more forums are now reporting profile link droppers to Google via the spam report tool as using this method of building links. Google have a blog post about not doing this, so assume that they either have or are about to have some scalable method to detect this type of link building and discount it.

I have a network of forums and we report up to a dozen sites a day via this. Profile link builders are low lifes and are increasing the work of forum administrators and moderators in banning and deleting them.

That's why smart IMer's stay ahead of the curve. In this past year people have squawked at users of XRummer, ScrapeBox, Proxies and the like.

They can invent, plugins, databases, more Askimet type applications but you can be rest assured, savvy IMers will be convening, assessing, strategizing, conference calling and ultimately brainstorming on designing more XRummers, ScrapBoxes, bots and better proxies, etc.

True IMers fear no IM changes!!!

They don't fear HoneyPots...

They don't fear the word, BANNED...

They don't fear the phrase, ACCOUNT DELETED...

They don't fear Algo changes...

They don't fear NO FOLLOW links...

They don't fear IP BANNED or BLOCKED...

They don't fear forums reporting profile link droppers...

They don't fear these things because they know the rules of the game

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That's why we have a Warrior Forum and within the WF a War Room.

Being in IM is essentially like being in a WAR. You had better know how to fight if you are going to be one of the ones who is successfully doing this full time.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

LOL. Crew chief - easy on the sauce. I could almost hear the battle hymn of the Republic while reading your last post. This isn't some noble fight for human rights. You can use autobots to get your site where it is noticed but you are not going to build a long term business that can stand any test of time with auto spam tools.

Do I recommend self backlinking -sure...obviously - but for the beginning of a site not the entire life of a site. We can talk any bravado we want. All those technique are things you can do until you get natural white hat backlinks.

Actually that kind of attitude -that we will spam at all costs - is just the kind of thing that leads to sites getting deindexed and then you have to start all over again I'd rather work with forum owners than against them or else the spammer label fits.

Honestly I read you guys sometimes and shake my head. You would think that most sites rank because of spamming but over and over and over again you see most sites rank using no such scraped lists and spam bots. the minority of top sites rank using those techniques. Self backlinking is an equalizer only in the beginning then its time to grow up and build real websites with real resources and real natural backlinks.

Yeah I know - unpopular sentiment (except in the SERPs). Fire away.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

LOL. Crew chief - easy on the sauce. I could almost hear the battle hymn of the Republic while reading your last post. This isn't some noble fight for human rights. You can use autobots to get your site where it is noticed but you are not going to build a long term business that can stand any test of time with auto spam tools.

Do I recommend self backlinking -sure...obviously - but for the beginning of a site not the entire life of a site. We can talk any bravado we want. All those technique are things you can do until you get natural white hat backlinks.

Actually that kind of attitude -that we will spam at all costs - is just the kind of thing that leads to sites getting deindexed and then you have to start all over again I'd rather work with forum owners than against them or else the spammer label fits.

Honestly I read you guys sometimes and shake my head. You would think that most sites rank because of spamming but over and over and over again you see most sites rank using no such scraped lists and spam bots. the minority of top sites rank using those techniques. Self backlinking is an equalizer only in the beginning then its time to grow up and build real websites with real resources and real natural backlinks.

Yeah I know - unpopular sentiment (except in the SERPs). Fire away.

Mike, I'm not going to fire at you. That's the thing about sharp military personnel; they know when to engage

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I feel you and hear you... the bravado is partly the military man in me but rest assured its backed with keen insight, Internet savvy, respect and integrity and understanding of the various World Wide Web systems.

Having shared that, my OTB Obtaining Tactical Backlinks is ISAC and ITAC, Internet Strategic Air Command and Internet Tactical Air Command for the next stated reason...

Personally. I'm in some fiercely competitive niches and if I didn't employ OTB, my CPA accounts, Affiliate programs and Clickbank accounts would regularly tally up to zero or a few dollars every month. That's unacceptable!

Say what you want but I track my top competitors like the CIA, NSA, FBI, OSI, Homeland Security and the SEC tracks their targets. My competitors set the bar extremely high and if you, me or anyone else is going to run with the big dawgs, well lets be brutally honest... we have to be a big dawg!

The bottom line: you don't bring impressive hand to hand karate skills to a battle while your competitor is standing ready, 1500 yards away with a infrared M240. That makes no sense. :confused:

Just so you know, I own a bevy of article directories, forums and web directories and oversee a IM Team in which each member has built their own similar networks. So I'm well aware of spammers and spamming and that's not what I engage in.

In addition, because of the networks I've built personally and work on building on a weekly basis and the ones that my IM Team builds individually and corporately, we rise to the top and stay there! We never set ourselves up for failure.

No deindexing

NO sandboxing

Maybe a Google dance every now and then but hey, who doesn't love to dance... every now and then

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Soldier your idea of big dawgs is the General's Chihuahua. the real big dogs command entire forces that report to them as a central hub of authority and those forces don't run around scraping with light machine gun fire from autobots.

They release a product and all their followers/ customers/members/Blogs/news sites link back to them in droves without them lifting a finger much less using a bot. Any old private can acquire a xrummer machine gun pea shooter but the real big dogs get high PR in content backlinks from top sites because they break their own news and have in demand content.

We are all just non commissioned GIs here. The real generals don't even worry about getting backlinks. Backlinks come to them.

Incidentally real military men don't speak like that. Well.......except in the movies.
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Crew Chief 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Boris_yo

What software do you use?

I use a myriad of tools plus I hire people to make accounts.

As far as the tools, some of the ones I use are...

(1). AAS Automatic Article Submitter by Milan, who is a Warrior (AAS has a learning curve and you will have to go through the process of vetting the database, but once you're done you will zoom! and I mean zoom!)
(2). SEO Link Dominator
(3). Bookmarking Demon
(4). RSSBot
(5). PressBot
(6). PadBot

The bot products are by fellow Warrior: View Profile: John Rogers

Also to keep track of all of my Affiliate, CPA and other money stream accounts, I use, AffiliateManagerPro. You can get it free if you are a War Room Member, http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...anagerpro.html

Some people use Roboform, but I don't believe it has a Proxy option and therefore is not designed for high volume Internet Marketing.
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billnad

14 years ago

It seems good to me.

I am not sure about anyone else but I always set the visitor message and the forum signature and then make a post on the forum as well. May as well use that time for more than just a profile link

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stevepaul25

14 years ago

There is a lot of forum out there. If you really want to join that forum, contact them, so that they know you are human.

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robrave

14 years ago

I just tried registering on that site today and got no error message like that.

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Kael41

14 years ago

"but you are not going to build a long term business that can stand any test of time with auto spam tools. "

Not so sure of that. I'm using a program I made years ago that automates a ton of processes and it's well stood the test of time

I think the general user wants a sure thing and that these tools CAN be abused. That's what separates the saavy user from the rest of the sheep. For every action there is a consequence.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kael41

"but you are not going to build a long term business that can stand any test of time with auto spam tools. "

Not so sure of that. I'm using a program I made years ago that automates a ton of processes and it's well stood the test of time

I think the general user wants a sure thing and that these tools CAN be abused. That's what separates the saavy user from the rest of the sheep. For every action there is a consequence.

You aren't using whatever you are using as a spam bot judging by the backlinks in your signature. If you did you would have much more backlinks and different kinds of backlinks.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Soldier your idea of big dawgs is the General's Chihuahua. the real big dogs command entire forces that report to them as a central hub of authority and those forces don't run around scraping with light machine gun fire from autobots.

They release a product and all their followers/ customers/members/Blogs/news sites link back to them in droves without them lifting a finger much less using a bot. Any old private can acquire a xrummer machine gun pea shooter but the real big dogs get high PR in content backlinks from top sites because they break their own news and have in demand content.

We are all just non commissioned GIs here. The real generals don't even worry about getting backlinks. Backlinks come to them.

Incidentally real military men don't speak like that. Well.......except in the movies.

Hey Mike, just so you know... here's how real military men speak... have a ha ha ha ha ha... laugh

"We need to destroy not attack, not damage, not surround. I want to destroy the Republican Guard"
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Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.
George S. Patton

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other expletive die for his.
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We herd sheep, we drive cattle, we lead people. Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way.
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Moving on to more important issues...

Originally Posted by stevepaul25

There is a lot of forum out there. If you really want to join that forum, contact them, so that they know you are human.

WHY??? Why contact them when there's a gazillion forums out there? Maybe go back and re-read the posts from Joe118 in post #20, mikkosant in post #10 and jazbo in post #8. Those guys know what they heck they're talking about; this is a numbers game so play the numbers!

Originally Posted by robrave

I just tried registering on that site today and got no error message like that.

That proves its a numbers game!!!

Originally Posted by Kael41

"but you are not going to build a long term business that can stand any test of time with auto spam tools. "

Not so sure of that. I'm using a program I made years ago that automates a ton of processes and it's well stood the test of time

I think the general user wants a sure thing and that these tools CAN be abused. That's what separates the saavy user from the rest of the sheep. For every action there is a consequence.

Now those are Words of Wisdom from a TRUE IMer!!! Kudos Kael41

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taccomc

14 years ago

There are a plenty of other sites to use and if you use proxies you will be fine, I wouldn't worry about it.

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SyndicateMarketing

14 years ago

Just skip this forum and register on others.. But do these profile links have any link juice or weight? I haven't seen any rankings increase after using these type of links.

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