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Article Spinning/Rewriter

by Deadbeatcobra
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Ok folks here again with another craptastic question,

when you use an article rewriter like magic article rewriter, and i get around 40 uniqueness once i spin it, anyway my question is, if you keep on spinning that same article 10 or 15 times are they 40ish unique from each other or is that just for the first article that got spinned ? does the uniqueness go down a certain amount ?

im talking about 10-20 articles, not 100+
#article #spinning or rewriter
  • Profile picture of the author megaresp
    I'm still waiting for objective and undeniable proof that 'spinning' articles delivers any SEO value at all. Or additional traffic for that matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author flaminjo
      Originally Posted by megaresp View Post

      I'm still waiting for objective and undeniable proof that 'spinning' articles delivers any SEO value at all. Or additional traffic for that matter.
      Honestly, i have been using powerarticlerewriter for spinning the articles, and i generate about 20 of each spin. i have seen that the backinks are increasing, however, i havent seen any remarkable jump in the rankings. but yes, backlinks are increasing coz i use a prominent article directory they claim that each article will get submitted to 100's of directories, but for each spin i get around 10 baclinks, so i am kinda satisfied with it..
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    • Profile picture of the author JimmyR
      Originally Posted by megaresp View Post

      I'm still waiting for objective and undeniable proof that 'spinning' articles delivers any SEO value at all. Or additional traffic for that matter.
      One of these I really want to get around to doing an actual test with quantifiable results, both to verify my opinion and to put the debate to rest. In my marketing career, I have promoted some sites with spun articles and some without, always submitting to the same directories/networks etc. The site promoted with spun articles have ALWAYS come out on top as far as SERP ranking is concerned. I am not taking into account any traffic gained directly from the articles, as this is not a usually tactic for me. Getting traffic from articles is a whole other game.

      Anyway, to the OP, SpinChimp now has a 'Spin and Compare' option where you can spin your article to any number of copies, and then get a matrix of every article compared against every other article. Then you choose which ones are the most unique The new version of this will be out in a day or two.
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    • Profile picture of the author Challendge
      Originally Posted by megaresp View Post

      I'm still waiting for objective and undeniable proof that 'spinning' articles delivers any SEO value at all. Or additional traffic for that matter.
      Honestly, spinning content should never be put on any site unless it's deep links that will have beneficial SEO use. I mean, no human will or should ever read it but it works for. It just by-passes a "duplicate content" checker but what we are starting to see is Google is catching on more and more.

      Google will out always out smart us in the long term and until they catch on, you can make it work and of course reap the benefits.
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    • Profile picture of the author Deadbeatcobra
      Please no more write an "original article" :p, im not doing this to gain traffic its for building a lil backlink campaign that i want to test out. I just want to know if the uniqueness from spinning multiply times decreases the uniqueness or is each article 40-50 percent unique from one another ?
      again im talking a small number around 10-20 articles
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      • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
        The problem with auto (non human re-writes) spinning already spun articles is that each newly spun article makes less sense and is less readable, UNLESS, you personally take the time to make each newly spun article make more sense.

        At least this has been my experience
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        • Profile picture of the author Deadbeatcobra
          Originally Posted by FrankBowman View Post

          The problem with auto (non human re-writes) spinning already spun articles is that each newly spun article makes less sense and is less readable, UNLESS, you personally take the time to make each newly spun article make more sense.

          At least this has been my experience
          yea i know how spinner works and how they can make a mess out of them, but like i said im not spinning 100s of articles, just a handful so i can go over them and correct some mistakes, i follow the quality over quantity, route and its paying off
          but my question still stands, if i could outsource it i would but i cant at the moment,
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforu
    Yes I agree with Frank..so it is advisable to write an original article everytime..that would help a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    Guys, please answer the question being asked or don't answer at all.

    If it is telling you the figure is 40% that may likely be a comparison between one version and another version. Obviously if you spin say 50 - 100 articles you will get some that are a much lower uniqueness to each other than others. It's best to spin an article well but only using viable replacements and variations. If you spin at sentence level first and then words and part phrases and take your time you'll be able to reach a good level of uniqueness with the articles still making sense.

    And yes, by doing that and adding your backlinks you will likely see a good increase in your rankings. I know that for sure because I'm seeing a boost in my rankings right now because of this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Deadbeatcobra
      Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO View Post

      Guys, please answer the question being asked or don't answer at all.

      If it is telling you the figure is 40% that may likely be a comparison between one version and another version. Obviously if you spin say 50 - 100 articles you will get some that are a much lower uniqueness to each other than others. It's best to spin an article well but only using viable replacements and variations. If you spin at sentence level first and then words and part phrases and take your time you'll be able to reach a good level of uniqueness with the articles still making sense.

      And yes, by doing that and adding your backlinks you will likely see a good increase in your rankings. I know that for sure because I'm seeing a boost in my rankings right now because of this.
      thanks for the the reply much appreciated, i wont be spinning to many articles so i guess that answers my question
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      • Profile picture of the author Deadbeatcobra
        Originally Posted by trishool View Post

        IF you keep hitting the spin button then it compares the newly spun article with the original article and not with the previously spun article.

        a 40% unique article WILL NOT pass copyscape.
        but it will get accepted by google
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  • Profile picture of the author Kieron
    IMO 1 good article is worth 50 spun articles. Every article you write and release should be about improving your online reputation and credibility. Article spinning can more often than not undermine much of the hard work which most people have done to establish themselves online.
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    • Profile picture of the author Deadbeatcobra
      Originally Posted by Kieron View Post

      IMO 1 good article is worth 50 spun articles. Every article you write and release should be about improving your online reputation and credibility. Article spinning can more often than not undermine much of the hard work which most people have done to establish themselves online.
      you'llbe surpirsed how many people on the first page of google use spinned articles in some way or another
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    • Profile picture of the author Daedalus
      Originally Posted by Kieron View Post

      IMO 1 good article is worth 50 spun articles.
      In terms of SEO, which is debated here, 1 good article is worth 1 properly spun article. Well, if we decide to overlook the time needed.

      Article spinning is quite simple, and you can get viable copies that have 90-95% uniqueness while making sure your syntax and the train of thought isn't lost in the spin. Spin doesn't necessarily mean unreadable. I have seen some horrible spins, but I've also seen some terribly written original articles. Should I conclude that 1 spin is worth 50 original articles? Of course not.

      Quality is something you should aim for no matter which approach you take.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    As soon as this type of question pops up, you will find
    people who feel that it's impossible to get a decent article
    from software. Not only is this presumption misleading, but
    you can often get yourself a great article crafted working
    with software. Quite often the fresh article is superior to
    the original. This is not a pipe dream, but reality. You
    might also observe that many of posters market his or her
    own article writing services or products.

    There are plenty of leading Internet marketers who work
    with these resources the right way, and generating small
    fortunes along the way. Will these people post in this
    thread? That's doubtful. They do not want you to learn
    their secrets and techniques.

    To answer the OP's question, the uniqueness quoted is
    compared to the original article. If you want to spin
    dozens, or more, you could use DupCop Spin. This
    software will compare a number of spins against each
    other.

    Hope that helps

    Glenn
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
      Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO View Post

      Guys, please answer the question being asked or don't answer at all.

      If it is telling you the figure is 40% that may likely be a comparison between one version and another version. Obviously if you spin say 50 - 100 articles you will get some that are a much lower uniqueness to each other than others. It's best to spin an article well but only using viable replacements and variations. If you spin at sentence level first and then words and part phrases and take your time you'll be able to reach a good level of uniqueness with the articles still making sense.

      And yes, by doing that and adding your backlinks you will likely see a good increase in your rankings. I know that for sure because I'm seeing a boost in my rankings right now because of this.
      Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

      As soon as this type of question pops up, you will find
      people who feel that it's impossible to get a decent article
      from software. Not only is this presumption misleading, but
      you can often get yourself a great article crafted working
      with software. Quite often the fresh article is superior to
      the original. This is not a pipe dream, but reality. You
      might also observe that many of posters market his or her
      own article writing services or products.

      There are plenty of leading Internet marketers who work
      with these resources the right way, and generating small
      fortunes along the way. Will these people post in this
      thread? That's doubtful. They do not want you to learn
      their secrets and techniques.

      To answer the OP's question, the uniqueness quoted is
      compared to the original article. If you want to spin
      dozens, or more, you could use DupCop Spin. This
      software will compare a number of spins against each
      other.

      Hope that helps

      Glenn
      Finally some sensible answer's!!! YAY!

      I really do feel sorry for these people who think it is better to write what they call an origional article everytime as really unless you work 24/7 you are never going to be able to compete against anyone who uses a spinner.

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    • Profile picture of the author Deadbeatcobra
      Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

      As soon as this type of question pops up, you will find
      people who feel that it's impossible to get a decent article
      from software. Not only is this presumption misleading, but
      you can often get yourself a great article crafted working
      with software. Quite often the fresh article is superior to
      the original. This is not a pipe dream, but reality. You
      might also observe that many of posters market his or her
      own article writing services or products.

      There are plenty of leading Internet marketers who work
      with these resources the right way, and generating small
      fortunes along the way. Will these people post in this
      thread? That's doubtful. They do not want you to learn
      their secrets and techniques.

      To answer the OP's question, the uniqueness quoted is
      compared to the original article. If you want to spin
      dozens, or more, you could use DupCop Spin. This
      software will compare a number of spins against each
      other.

      Hope that helps

      Glenn
      whats the difference between Dupcop spin and dupefree pro ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
        Originally Posted by Deadbeatcobra View Post

        whats the difference between Dupcop spin and dupefree pro ?
        I've never used Dupefree Pro, so it wouldn't be fair for me to comment.

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      • Profile picture of the author cballi
        Originally Posted by Deadbeatcobra View Post

        whats the difference between Dupcop spin and dupefree pro ?
        I had not heard of Dupecop spun until Glenn mentioned it. One difference I see is that Dupefree Pro is free, the other is not.

        Looking at the sales page it looks like Dupecop Spun can compare mutliple versions of an article. Dupefree Pro can only compare 2 articles at a time which would take forever if you wanted to compare alot of articles. Fine for what I need.
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        • Profile picture of the author freshchoice
          Originally Posted by cballi View Post

          I had not heard of Dupecop spun until Glenn mentioned it. One difference I see is that Dupefree Pro is free, the other is not.

          Looking at the sales page it looks like Dupecop Spun can compare mutliple versions of an article. Dupefree Pro can only compare 2 articles at a time which would take forever if you wanted to compare alot of articles. Fine for what I need.
          Dupefree Pro is No Longer Free as of late.
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  • Profile picture of the author serverunion
    I have been using The Best Spinner with good results, although I would never send such a spun article to higher level sites like EZA. I have am testing humanrewriterD0Tcom for sentence spinning and then will use The Best Spinner to generate versions of the article. To keep the articles unique enough I will limit the number of spins per article.

    Glenn, thanks for the tip on DupCop Spin.
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  • Profile picture of the author lightingguru
    I still think the best way to do it is with your personal touch. That way you get a article that makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author cballi
    Are you talking about the percentage it is spun when you say 40%?

    In the bottom left corner of MAR it gives you the spun percentage but that doesn't equal uniqueness. To check that I take some of the spun versions and compare them in Dupefree Pro. Not that I have tested thoroughly, but I have found the uniqueness is less than the spun %, at least with word spins. I wish MAR would include this type of analysis as I would rather know my level of uniqueness than spun %.

    Anyway, the best way to answer your question is to test yourself using Dupefree Pro or something like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Deadbeatcobra
      Originally Posted by cballi View Post

      Are you talking about the percentage it is spun when you say 40%?

      In the bottom left corner of MAR it gives you the spun percentage but that doesn't equal uniqueness. To check that I take some of the spun versions and compare them in Dupefree Pro. Not that I have tested thoroughly, but I have found the uniqueness is less than the spun %, at least with word spins. I wish MAR would include this type of analysis as I would rather know my level of uniqueness than spun %.

      Anyway, the best way to answer your question is to test yourself using Dupefree Pro or something like that.
      and this is why i love this forum always something new to learn, i didnt know that ill check dupefree pro out thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author verbose
      Originally Posted by Marth22 View Post

      I really wouldn't recommend auto rewriting articles, they often come out in sloppy English, just manually rewrite the keywords/sentence structure and you will notice the Google results. I've not seen a really good auto rewriter program out yet.
      Then you have never worked with the TheBestSpinner. May I ask which spinners you have worked with.
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  • Profile picture of the author digiwebtools
    As far I know, many article spinners changes mainly stop words only. If your spinner does the same, uniqueness certainly goes down while increasing number of spun articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author Clarkjackson
      how many people has developed that content spinning software?? 2-4 people right?

      But Google panda has developed by over 100, do you think Google can't determine your spun contents ?? Now these days you don;t need unique contents you need better content for any kind of purpose, link building or traffic
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