Does a Backlink from Duplicate Content Carry Any Weight?

tpw

14 years ago

It depends on how much link popularity is earned by the page that houses the duplicate content...

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raviv 14 years ago

Hi ELeva,
In my opinion, in most cases, Google will consider the most relevant content and give it the most value and also the links that are housed in it. It would disregard duplicate versions of that article.

When you write an article, ensure that you first publish it on your own site before distributing it to article directories. Once you have published it on your site, then ping the bots either through RSS feed or services like pingler.com This lets G index it first and the date and time of indexing is recorded.

Any duplicate or variation of this article will clearly show date and time later than the original. G knows you are the true author and not your competitor who scrapes it and puts it on his site.

THen go about distributing that article (or its variations) to other directories.
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snapcontent

14 years ago

Unless the page has no page rank at all, or hasn't yet been found by Google, it will pass some weight whatever is on there. The problem is that sites stuffed with duplicate content tend to be low PR sites anyway - why link to an article on 'mydishwashertabletreview dot com' when you can link directly to the article on ezinearticles dot com...

Duplicate content really isn't much use anymore. There will no doubt be people popping up any second to claim they rank on page one for something using only duplicate content, but ask them for the name of the site, or the keyword they rank for. That usually makes them go away.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by snapcontent

Unless the page has no page rank at all, or hasn't yet been found by Google, it will pass some weight whatever is on there. The problem is that sites stuffed with duplicate content tend to be low PR sites anyway - why link to an article on 'mydishwashertabletreview dot com' when you can link directly to the article on ezinearticles dot com...

Duplicate content really isn't much use anymore. There will no doubt be people popping up any second to claim they rank on page one for something using only duplicate content, but ask them for the name of the site, or the keyword they rank for. That usually makes them go away.

Hahaha... You are a funny guy...

I could probably come up with more examples, but I don't want to spend too much time on this...

You seem to have figured that you could make me go away, by presenting a challenge...

I accept your challenge... LOL

Result #8... Of course, I do realize that people are going to take this and say, "Oh, a 3-word keyword phrase, couldn't you do better?"

Yeah probably, if I wanted to expend the time to do a more comprehensive search... But I will pass...

A couple quick notes for you... The site shown was not the first place published, and I am certain that Google's count of how many places it was published is greatly exaggerated:

"5 Essential Elements of Successful Article Marketing" - Google Search

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Richard Van

14 years ago

I'm with Bill on this (TPW)

If I have an article that points to my money site and I post it on 1)Ezine articles, 2)go articles and 3)article base then the link juice from 1,2 and 3 is passed on to my money site, hence forth the reason I often rank for an article on ezine or article base despite posting the same article on a few other article directories and web2 sites. The same article posted several times on one site is duplicate content, the same article on several sites isn't. Otherwise article directories wouldn't work.

Heck, we all want to write an article that some great site with tons of relevant traffic picks out and puts on his/her site. Why would we do that if it counted as duplicate content? Also if article spinning sites are so popular what about article submission sites?

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sanssecret

14 years ago

Maybe I'm reading this differently to everyone else, but I don't think the op is asking about ranking the articles. More about whether the backlinks from those articles all have the same weight in passing link juice to the money site? The fact that one article ranks out of however many duplicates posted isn't what's in question.

Many "experts" seem to believe that it wouldn't, hence the popularity of spinning software. But if this is the case, then there is no value when a webmaster extracts an article from an article directory that I have written and places it on his/her website.

If your article is republished on a high traffic website such as Bill's example, you better believe you get some value. Not only do you get in front of all those eyeballs that might never have seen your article if you'd only posted it on EZA, but high traffic sites tend to be more authoritative in Google's eyes than low ones. That makes the backlink to your own site more valuable than a backlink from Joe's blog who only gets a couple of visitors a day.

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Suka

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I'm with Bill on this (TPW)

If I have an article that points to my money site and I post it on 1)Ezine articles, 2)go articles and 3)article base then the link juice from 1,2 and 3 is passed on to my money site, hence forth the reason I often rank for an article on ezine or article base despite posting the same article on a few other article directories and web2 sites. The same article posted several times on one site is duplicate content, the same article on several sites isn't. Otherwise article directories wouldn't work.

Heck, we all want to write an article that some great site with tons of relevant traffic picks out and puts on his/her site. Why would we do that if it counted as duplicate content? Also if article spinning sites are so popular what about article submission sites?

I had the same view as you on this UNTIL i submited an article to my blog, and without spinning it i submitted it to all article directories. Ezine came back and said its duplicate content. What i am saying is the "high authority" articles directories will manually scrape the internet for exact copies of the article and reject it if any are found. So why not spend 30 minutes spinning your articles properly and having 200 50% unique articles.. My 2c..

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Suka

I had the same view as you on this UNTIL i submited an article to my blog, and without spinning it i submitted it to all article directories. Ezine came back and said its duplicate content. What i am saying is the "high authority" articles directories will manually scrape the internet for exact copies of the article and reject it if any are found. So why not spend 30 minutes spinning your articles properly and having 200 50% unique articles.. My 2c..

If the article is yours and the domain has your information on record or your byline is by the article, EZA will not reject it. Occasionally you get a trigger happy editor who doesn't realize it's your own article. All you need to do is respond that it is your article on your website and they will approve it.

Bill - When will you learn that you can't argue with someone that clearly has an agenda? People need to believe the duplicate content myth so other people can sell their products...lol.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

If the article is yours and the domain has your information on record or your byline is by the article, EZA will not reject it. Occasionally you get a trigger happy editor who doesn't realize it's your own article. All you need to do is respond that it is your article on your website and they will approve it.

Bill - When will you learn that you can't argue with someone that clearly has an agenda? People need to believe the duplicate content myth so other people can sell their products...lol.

Tina

This is 100% true.

Most of my articles on my blogs have identical copies on Ezine and they never rejected any of them. Never even had to argue with them.

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snapcontent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Result #8... Of course, I do realize that people are going to take this and say, "Oh, a 3-word keyword phrase, couldn't you do better?"

Well done. I stand corrected.

And how much do you make from this 3 word phrase? I'm guessing that as there are a mighty 2 advertisers competing on Google for this, it's probably in the region of ... $2,000,000 a click.

By the way, with quotes, there are less than 65k competing results.

By 'not much use', I mean that it is difficult to make any money from them. I can rank number 1 tomorrow for 'heshvardafibblynon kamidh6 gshghgs with woojyflubbernashers'.

But I won't make any money off of it.

Cue screen shot of clickbank / adsense account. Ummm.. actually, don't bother:-

4 pennies per click.Google will give you back less than half. Better get that clickbot net fired up, you'll need 60 clicks to make a dollar, tricky when there are so few searches for the phrase even Google can't give you estimates...

Shall we have a discussion about monetization... or maybe you could show us another example, perhaps for 'acne' or 'credit cards' or 'cheap flights'...

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by snapcontent

4 pennies per click.Google will give you back less than half. Better get that clickbot net fired up, you'll need 60 clicks to make a dollar, tricky when there are so few searches for the phrase even Google can't give you estimates...

Shall we have a discussion about monetization... or maybe you could show us another example, perhaps for 'acne' or 'credit cards' or 'cheap flights'...

If we are talking monetization, have you noticed my signature and that I might could actually make money in that niche...

After all, the search result is an article that I use in my funnel to bring people to my primary website, and I do make a living from that website... And I have made a living in that niche for more than a decade... And that article actually did generate several thousand dollars in new sales for me...

Oh but you would not know what I am talking about would you?

As someone who spins articles, you believe articles are only good for manipulating Google, and they are good for that... But I do article marketing to drive direct Click Through's to my websites, which is a more direct approach to making money from articles...

I don't consider my articles successful unless they lead to direct sales, within a week of writing and distributing it...

And you don't consider article marketing successful unless you can capture a competitive search word in Google... Even though those competitive keywords should point to your sales website and not the article...

Different worlds... Different goals...

That particular article monetized far better for me than any Adsense revenue ever could...

If I did article marketing for Adsense, I would certainly have given up on article marketing years ago, since I earn less than $200 per month in Adsense revenue...

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snapcontent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

If we are talking monetization, have you noticed my signature and that I might could actually make money in that niche...

After all, the search result is an article that I use in my funnel to bring people to my primary website, and I do make a living from that website... And I have made a living in that niche for more than a decade... And that article actually did generate several thousand dollars in new sales for me...

Oh but you would not know what I am talking about would you?

As someone who spins articles, you believe articles are only good for manipulating Google, and they are good for that... But I do article marketing to drive direct Click Through's to my websites, which is a more direct approach to making money from articles...

I don't consider my articles successful unless they lead to direct sales, within a week of writing and distributing it...

And you don't consider article marketing successful unless you can capture a competitive search word in Google... Even though those competitive keywords should point to your sales website and not the article...

Different worlds... Different goals...

That particular article monetized far better for me than any Adsense revenue ever could...

If I did article marketing for Adsense, I would certainly have given up on article marketing years ago, since I earn less than $200 per month in Adsense revenue...

Good for you Bill!

Great to know that even 3 searches per month can be effectively monetized!

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by snapcontent

Good for you Bill!

Great to know that even 3 searches per month can be effectively monetized!

Let's twist this up and turn it into a pile of crap...

Our conversation started like this:

Originally Posted by snapcontent

Duplicate content really isn't much use anymore. There will no doubt be people popping up any second to claim they rank on page one for something using only duplicate content, but ask them for the name of the site, or the keyword they rank for. That usually makes them go away.

The example I gave simply answered your original query...

rank on page one for something using only duplicate content, but ask them for the name of the site, or the keyword they rank for...

I answered your challenge with ONE EXAMPLE of duplicate content that ranks on page one of Google, with the name of the site and the keyword ranked...

So, you changed the inquiry to monetization...

You were trumped on your original challenge, and you did not want to come out trumped in the thread...

I accurately responded that this article generated thousands of dollars in sales for me... That is the monetization I strive to achieve...

I did not even venture to suggest that the traffic to the article was the result of the articles' Google ranking and traffic...

In fact, I know that the revenue generated from that article was not the result of Google Traffic...

Yet you persist in trying to discredit my original response to you, based solely on whether I earn revenue on that article as a result of its Page One Ranking in Google...

I never claimed that it did...

You seem to have a strong desire to be better than me...

So I am going to let you win...

You ARE Better Than Me...

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jerrysvu

14 years ago

Has nothing to do with duplicate content. A backlink is a backlink provided the page is indexed by google and does not use nofollow. Well, even then google may not actually
count it. Depends on them. Duplicate articles across websites is a non issue in this
respect. Now how much PR you get, it will again depend on a lot of things.

Jerry

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TristanPerry

14 years ago

I think it'd carry the full weight. Is just my opinion, but I've seen nothing coming from Google or other reputable sources that suggests that duplicate content limits backlink juice being passed on.

Otherwise getting articles syndicated (be it via EZA publishers publishing your article on their site) or having multiple article directories would be pointless.

So yeah, my *educated guess* is that they do carry weight. And possibly full weight. Is a guess, but a somewhat 'educated' one.

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IM Ash

14 years ago

Thanks for all the replies!

I guess there is enough proof that backlinks from duplicate articles do in fact carry weight. I always believed this but the schools of thought out there conflicted my beliefs, but now I'm adamant that fallacies are converted into truth in order for personal gain.

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tpw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eleva8

now I'm adamant that fallacies are converted into truth in order for personal gain.

I agree with this wholeheartedly...

I have always said that if there is a myth afoot, figure out how the myth-makers earn their living, then you will know why the myth is advertised so heavily...
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14 years ago

Lets find out from the master

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