Can I beat this site??

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rayson14

Can I beat this guy? this has site has no SEo but tons of baklinks... Can I beat him in a single keyword easily with SEO knowledge?

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No I doubt it unless you have a few years to spend on it and even then I don't know if you would be able to.....PR8 with over 2 million links to domain!!

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flipfl0p 16 years ago

aw.. ok thanks.... i'm scurrently searching for keywords...

I saw "net speed' with 300k(I think) searces monthly.
There is no Competition with SEO thingy with it just this site hehe.
I thought I can get the spot cause there is no SEO setup or not even articles in this site just pure backlinks....
But thanks a lot...
Kick that keyword away.. Thanks..
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Orkhan Ibad

16 years ago

May be its title is not that fine, but the links are very powerful. It depends on the keyword you compete. If that guy does not optimize his site for that keyword, then you will probably get there in some weeks or months.

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Orkhan Azer

May be its title is not that fine, but the links are very powerful. It depends on the keyword you compete. If that guy does not optimize his site for that keyword, then you will probably get there in some weeks or months.

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yeah Very powerful links and the site is owned by a trusted Company.... ok ok Look for another keywords hehe

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flipfl0p 16 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

The index page is PR8, not only that multiple PR7 internal pages.

You might want to keep looking for other keywords, unless you really like working (a lot).

No ofcourse haha! Even if I beat this guy the power of speedtest is unmatch... I even used the site myself...

Does that site has mulitple page? Hold on let me see...
ouch... ok ok i saw it.. another keyword.. thanks a lot.. this is where you get out quickly haha
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Jordan Kovats

16 years ago

And not only that, that site has been around years, hence 2 million links, and a PR of 8. It would require a ton of time and links to beat that site.

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flipfl0p 16 years ago

Originally Posted by theseoguys

And not only that, that site has been around years, hence 2 million links, and a PR of 8. It would require a ton of time and links to beat that site.

Even the person who doesnt know anything about backlinking gives this site a backlink..... I saw there inner pages... there are logos distributed...
Is this logo's also a backlink?
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Mike Anthony

16 years ago

Hi rayson you also have to consider monetization when you search for keywords. You can get a ton of traffic and no conversions. Speedtest.net is a well established testing site of internet speed. people doing a search for that are looking to test their speed so unless you are going to provide that service a very large part of that traffic even if you could rank are just going to hit the back button and leave in a second.

Congratulation on the daughter.

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Hi rayson you also have to consider monetization when you search for keywords. You can get a ton of traffic and no conversions. Speedtest.net is a well established testing site of internet speed. people doing a search for that are looking to test their speed so unless you are going to provide that service a very large part of that traffic even if you could rank are just going to hit the back button and leave in a second.

Congratulation on the daughter.

Thanks mike. Yes you're right. I'll get traffic but no money so what's the sense. I was trying to research for a keyword in the speed up the internet and this keyword "net speed" came up wih no direct competition. Inderect competition came up to be speedtest dot net. ouch hehe!

Hey thanks ^^, It's 7 months in the making loL!
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Oh guys btw i have another question

What do you think about this competition??
In google
About 6,220,000 results - without ""
About 3,200 results - with ""

The competition via SEO quake
With Quotes = Total 11 PR
--------Including 2 squidoo lenses, 2 forums and 3 other sites repeatedly used on top 10
Without quote = Total 34 PR
--------Authority Sites with 10+ age spotted in the Top 10 of without Quotes searches.

Can I get there on the top? with only basic SEO, Link Wheel Building and few article marketing and bookmarking only?

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flipfl0p 16 years ago

Anyone around??
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terryd

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rayson14

Oh guys btw i have another question

What do you think about this competition??
In google
About 6,220,000 results - without ""
About 3,200 results - with ""

The competition via SEO quake
With Quotes = Total 11 PR
--------Including 2 squidoo lenses, 2 forums and 3 other sites repeatedly used on top 10
Without quote = Total 34 PR
--------Authority Sites with 10+ age spotted in the Top 10 of without Quotes searches.

Can I get there on the top? with only basic SEO, Link Wheel Building and few article marketing and bookmarking only?

It's hard to say without seeing what the top 10 positions are, how many links they have going to the specific pages and what the PR of those sites are.

PM me the phrase you are thinking about if you want and I'll put up a screenshot from MS and whether or not I think you should go for it or not.....

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by terryd

It's hard to say without seeing what the top 10 positions are, how many links they have going to the specific pages and what the PR of those sites are.

PM me the phrase you are thinking about if you want and I'll put up a screenshot from MS and whether or not I think you should go for it or not.....

Pm sent.
Thanks a lot for the help.
btw I only know of basic SEO.

Rayson.

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Mike Anthony

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rayson14

Hey thanks ^^, It's 7 months in the making loL!

Hey a preemie. One of my daughters could fit in one hand. Almost lost her but she's fine today.

What do you think about this competition??
In google
About 6,220,000 results - without ""
About 3,200 results - with ""

Frankly I'd throw out those metrics forever for all competitive research. Like someone has already said all that matters is the first page and whats happening on it.

Seo quake already tells you most of what you want to know on the front page and a few backlink checks tell you everything else. Those other guidelines just lead people astray

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Hey a preemie. One of my daughters could fit in one hand. Almost lost her but she's fine today.

Oh no no no! haha! My baby girl is still in the womb, Exactly 7 months last october 27.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Frankly I'd throw out those metrics forever for all competitive research. Like someone has already said all that matters is the first page and whats happening on it.

Seo quake already tells you most of what you want to know on the front page and a few backlink checks tell you everything else. Those other guidelines just lead people astray

Yeah I think i'll just hire somebody to do the keyword research. I sucked in this 2 days after the research I have'nt got any great a valid keyword to promote. Maybe I had I just missed it

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samual james

16 years ago

www.speedtest.net/

Backlink : 2870
PR : 8
Domain Age : 11 years 4 Months

so according to me its really hard to compete with that site

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jesus72knight

16 years ago

It's tooooooooooooooooo hard!

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Web Junkie 16 years ago

Originally Posted by jesus72knight

It's tooooooooooooooooo hard!

That's what she said....

(sorry- I couldn't resist)
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  That's what she said....
  
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hearme

16 years ago

you surely can nothing is impossible all you need to do is to develop a huge stream of backlinks good seo guys alot of good content and best quality ad network to make more page views.

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jhonsean

16 years ago

Definitely no, A site with page rank of 8 with millions of strong links i think as a new SEO we better learn and experience more in this SEO world to improve our capabilities.

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terryd

16 years ago

Again I would give this one a miss.

There is only 1000 exact searches a month for the term that you are after and for the amount of competition that there is I don't think it's worth it.

Most of the top 10 positions are heavily backlinked (BLP)

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by terryd

Again I would give this one a miss.

There is only 1000 exact searches a month for the term that you are after and for the amount of competition that there is I don't think it's worth it.

Most of the top 10 positions are heavily backlinked (BLP)

What tool did you use terryd? can you share? It has a lot of searches in google keyword tool and in 1 tool that I used.

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terryd 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rayson14

What tool did you use terryd? can you share? It has a lot of searches in google keyword tool and in 1 tool that I used.

I'm using Market Samurai (as are many others). I think you can get it for under $100 and it's worth every penny!
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- flipfl0p 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by terryd
  
  I'm using Market Samurai (as are many others). I think you can get it for under $100 and it's worth every penny!
  
  Do this have a free trial? I dopn't have any funds to spare right now...
  
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  terryd 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rayson14
  
  Do this have a free trial? I dopn't have any funds to spare right now...
  
  I'm pretty sure there is a free trial with it, have a look at Keyword Analysis Tool - Market Samurai
  
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  flipfl0p 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by terryd
  
  I'm pretty sure there is a free trial with it, have a look at Keyword Analysis Tool - Market Samurai
  
  thanks for this bro. Really appreciate it. I'll try this if really I cannot get a good keyword I will hire somebody in the warrior forums to get 100keywords in the same niche for me to start with.. .
  
  Thanks Terryd for all the help. Wish you all the best in life
  I'll pay you a visit once I'm succesful in I.M.
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by terryd

Again I would give this one a miss.

There is only 1000 exact searches a month for the term that you are after and for the amount of competition that there is I don't think it's worth it.

Most of the top 10 positions are heavily backlinked (BLP)

Hey Terry

What program is this pic from? is it fee or paid for?

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Chrissy Allen

16 years ago

Hey Team,

Im certainly not an expert at seo and wont pretend to be BUT what i will say as an experienced offline marketer, why not look lower down the tree and pick the low hanging fruit first ?

Just take it easy and go where you can see and reach the fruit.

It really depends what you are chasing, im not an seo expert and so i dont go competing for high traffic high competition keywords BUT i still regularly fill my basket by just picking all the easy to reach cash.

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ChunkyNuts

Hey Team,

Im certainly not an expert at seo and wont pretend to be BUT what i will say as an experienced offline marketer, why not look lower down the tree and pick the low hanging fruit first ?

Just take it easy and go where you can see and reach the fruit.

It really depends what you are chasing, im not an seo expert and so i dont go competing for high traffic high competition keywords BUT i still regularly fill my basket by just picking all the easy to reach cash.

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Yeah, that's what i'm doing. No that's what I'm trying to do. cause I haven't had any luck on picking the right fruit to pick. :confused:

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16 years ago

LOL

No!

speedtest.net is a MEGA authority site.

Move on to easier targets.

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maddydp

16 years ago

Spend couple of years, $60,000+ probably. You will for sure beat him. If you can't afford something like that, just search for other keywords that you could rank well for.

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by maddydp

Spend couple of years, $60,000+ probably. You will for sure beat him. If you can't afford something like that, just search for other keywords that you could rank well for.

Hi,

Just a suggestion for you guys. Instead of reading the 1st post then reply, try to read the last post first going up until you get the topic in all the threads you are replying. As you can see we already have a different topic around and you are still replying on the 1st question. Same as the other guys around that did not receive any replies.

Thanks and hope this will help you in the future,
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iloveseo

16 years ago

You need to have pr for your site to rank highly because the site has good pr and also some good seo practices can win the race.

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prodigaljoe

16 years ago

Any site can be outranked but it depends on the keyword. I have found many keywords where authority sites dominate the top spots with thousands of backlinks. Most people would just walk away. But always take a closer look. Sometimes those sites don't have any backlinks with the keyword phrase in their anchor text. They just grab the top spots because there is no real competition for the keyword and they are the closest to being relevant.

You would not believe how many keywords are like this and everyone's keyword discovery tools skip them because of "golden rules" or other tool settings. Nothing is better than good old manual research... with the help of market samurai of course

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by prodigaljoe

Any site can be outranked but it depends on the keyword. I have found many keywords where authority sites dominate the top spots with thousands of backlinks. Most people would just walk away. But always take a closer look. Sometimes those sites don't have any backlinks with the keyword phrase in their anchor text. They just grab the top spots because there is no real competition for the keyword and they are the closest to being relevant.

You would not believe how many keywords are like this and everyone's keyword discovery tools skip them because of "golden rules" or other tool settings. Nothing is better than good old manual research... with the help of market samurai of course

i know how to do manual research but I think i'll get market samurai's trial cause I think that's what i lack... Thanks a lot ^^,

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by prodigaljoe

Any site can be outranked but it depends on the keyword. I have found many keywords where authority sites dominate the top spots with thousands of backlinks. Most people would just walk away. But always take a closer look. Sometimes those sites don't have any backlinks with the keyword phrase in their anchor text. They just grab the top spots because there is no real competition for the keyword and they are the closest to being relevant.

I would second what prodigaljoe is saying. Most people do not understand that it is not about wining G1 position. You have too look at a relationship between the: speed test, "speed test" and [speed test], or between the broad match, phrase match and exact match.

If ratio of: speed test / [speed test], or general match / exact match, is close to 1.0, than that means that majority of people are simply typing in speed test and than you really do not have chance.

But, if ¦speed test¦ / [speed test] is closer to something like 0.1 or 0.0001 etc, that means that ¦speed test¦ is generally only a part of a longer phrase. That means that most of people are not typing ¦speed test¦, but "net speed test" or "broadband speed test" or "download speed test" etc. And in this variety lays your chance. Actually, it is fact, according to Google itself, that every day 25% of search phrases they never ever had seen before, besides the gigantic database they have. English language is the richest language on the planet, with over 500,000 words. Simply, one can express the same thing in so many ways.

What that means money wise, is that you do not need to be on G1 in order to scoop large money. You are not going to make same money as G1 site, but there is a lots of it left on the table if you scoop those "long tail" phrases around basic phrase ¦speed test¦.

Basically, you are not attacking frontally, you are approaching form a flank.

But if great sounding ideas are not enough, I have 1,600 visitors a month on a site, that ranks extremely well for a certain phrase. Usually around G3. I get only 30 visits for exact phrase match and about 1,500 on a long tail variations of that phrase. That is straight from G. Analytics.

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

wtf?? Look at this site... He has beaten www.speedtest.net in rankings ith only 142 inbound links!!!!

keyword
test internet speed

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=g#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=test+internet+ speed&aq=f&aqi=g4g-o1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=a00ac64a83546a36

How is this even possible? Alot of you guys indicated that I need to have the same backlinks as peedtest.net... what did he do? Is it speedtest .net considered by google as irrelevant content with the keyword? What do you think?

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dburk

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rayson14

wtf?? Look at this site... He has beaten www.speedtest.net in rankings ith only 142 inbound links!!!!

keyword
test internet speed

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=g#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=test+internet+ speed&aq=f&aqi=g4g-o1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=a00ac64a83546a36

How is this even possible? Alot of you guys indicated that I need to have the same backlinks as peedtest.net... what did he do? Is it speedtest .net considered by google as irrelevant content with the keyword? What do you think?

Hi Rayson14,

That is an example of the power of a Keyword Domain Name.

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flipfl0p

16 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Rayson14,

That is an example of the power of a Keyword Domain Name.

even so.. if you read up this thread a lot of people indicated that I cannot beat this site and I must have the same 5 million backlinks before beating this.. but look at this guy... keyword has 5k searches per month... but not a buying keyword... but atleast he beat it without getting 5 million backlinks....

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rayson14

even so.. if you read up this thread a lot of people indicated that I cannot beat this site and I must have the same 5 million backlinks before beating this.. but look at this guy... keyword has 5k searches per month... but not a buying keyword... but atleast he beat it without getting 5 million backlinks....

Hi Rayson14,

Yes you can and probably already beat this site for all sorts of keywords.

Google doesn't rank pages based solely on the number of backlinks. They rank pages based on relevancy and backlinks can have an influence on relevancy scores. So it will require a great deal of effort to beat that website for keywords they have targeted with relevant backlinks, however it would be quite easy to beat that same website for keywords the are not specifically targeting and for which they have not earned natural backlinks targeting those keywords.

I think most folks replying to this thread were commenting on the difficulty of ranking for the primary keyword that the site is targeting, not for keywords they aren't specifically targeting.

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RR111

16 years ago

You can beat... Gain quality(authority) back links to your site...

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diyakapoor

16 years ago

If you build high quality back links through different SEO sources then you can surely beat your competitors. You also need to perform competition analysis to get better and fast results.

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calfred

16 years ago

If every websites on the Internet are like that, there wouldn't be money to earn from SEO anymore.

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dagaul101

16 years ago

It really depends on how competitive the keyword is, but a PR8 is a mighty task to overcome

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