my competition is building links extremely fast

16 years ago

PR doesn't mean a thing when it comes to ranking.

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nest28 16 years ago

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

PR doesn't mean a thing when it comes to ranking.

you got that right
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TZ 16 years ago

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

PR doesn't mean a thing when it comes to ranking.

Ah-Ha! I see someone IS paying attention.

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dadamson

16 years ago

Just watch how long he stays there for though.

I wouldn't imagine he would be too hard to beat, backlinking isn't a numbers game.

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nest28 16 years ago

Originally Posted by dadamson

Just watch how long he stays there for though.

I wouldn't imagine he would be too hard to beat, backlinking isn't a numbers game.

yea even tho he has a lot of links most of them are n/a or pagerank 0 so its not like he would be that hard to beat but he does have way more links than anybody on the front page
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Bingo123 16 years ago

Originally Posted by dadamson

Just watch how long he stays there for though.

I wouldn't imagine he would be too hard to beat, backlinking isn't a numbers game.

Spot on. What PR are these back links of his? If he has 6,000 PR0 links you could probably outrank him with a few hundred PR4 sites. Probably even less actually.
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charu.seo

16 years ago

pr is not everything...

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TKO

16 years ago

Some warriors make me laugh (giggle).

"PR doesn't mean a thing when it comes to ranking."

I'm guessing your comment or bald statement is proven and tested and you have many case studies ready to disprove what I'm proving nearly everyday with many sites.

Thomas

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Mike Grant

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TKO

Some warriors make me laugh (giggle).

"PR doesn't mean a thing when it comes to ranking."

I'm guessing your comment or bald statement is proven and tested and you have many case studies ready to disprove what I'm proving nearly everyday with many sites.

Thomas

Yes, it is.

Anyone worth their salt in SEO knows this. I'm not doing your homework for you, if you don't believe it then do it yourself.

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TKO

16 years ago

"You're not doing my homework for me?????"

P-l-e-a-s-e, read my post again "SEO Guru" from Orlando LOL. If you don't understand it, let me know, I'll spell it out for you.

Blurting out rubbish not only hurts your own repetition but hurts most of the newbie Warriors that do not know better.

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Shirlyn 16 years ago

Hi, I think you have to work for a long day with that you have to submit articles on article submission sites with fresh content to get quick indexing and same as with blog also. participate over forums and increase posts per day and Write PR submit it over as many websites you know.
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Mike Grant

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TKO

"You're not doing my homework for me?????"

P-l-e-a-s-e, read my post again "SEO Guru" from Orlando LOL. If you don't understand it, let me know, I'll spell it out for you.

Blurting out rubbish not only hurts your own repetition but hurts most of the newbie Warriors that do not know better.

Where'd I ever call myself an SEO guru? PR doesn't mean **** for ranking.

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scott g

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TKO

Some warriors make me laugh (giggle).

"PR doesn't mean a thing when it comes to ranking."

I'm guessing your comment or bald statement is proven and tested and you have many case studies ready to disprove what I'm proving nearly everyday with many sites.

Thomas

Hey guy... Don't come in here and try to crash someones post... You say you're proving it nearly everyday with many sites... What does that even mean?! And WTF is a "bald" statment?!?

Instead of name calling and telling someone to get their proof ready, why don't you, yourself, contribute some useful information besides your "bald" statement that your sites disprove or prove this everyday...

Speaking of rubbish, TKO, back your statement up with something... Anything... And your statement doesn't make sense... "proving nearly everyday with many site." I'm assuming English is your second language. I'm confused. What... do you have a really long-tailed keyword EMD with a PR5 backlink and you're on page one?! This proves nothing.

Don't come in here and start a sh*t throwing contest. And if you could, spell it out for me, b/c I don't know what the f**k you're talking about LOL!

Come on guy... Really. Contribute when you build your own backlinks...

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nest28

16 years ago

WOW things are getting kinda crazy in here lol, all i have to say is that i don't think page rank matters when it comes to ranking, it seems like the one with the most backlinks wins, i mean this site is beating out page rank 4s and 5s because while they have 500, he has a 1,000 backlinks per page and again he only has page rank of 0

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scott g

16 years ago

Originally Posted by nest28

WOW things are getting kinda crazy in here lol, all i have to say is that i don't think page rank matters when it comes to ranking, it seems like the one with the most backlinks wins, i mean this site is beating out page rank 4s and 5s because while they have 500, he has a 1,000 backlinks per page and again he only has page rank of 0

On-Site SEO plays a role and AGE plays a big role too... As to answer the OP's question, you're right - it is a myth. There's no such thing as building backlinks too fast... There's no such thing as the 'sandbox' either.

With a recent site of mine, I had over 1k backlinks found in Yahoo! Site Explorer within 1 week of purchasing the domain. Yes, it was a brand new domain and didn't have any pre-existing backlinks. I was making several hundred GOOD, sticking backlinks a day... And of course my site was indexed in less than 24 hrs. Ranking for the keywords I'm targeting is still a battle - the competition is strong!

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Daniel Molano

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TKO

Some warriors make me laugh (giggle).

"PR doesn't mean a thing when it comes to ranking."

I'm guessing your comment or bald statement is proven and tested and you have many case studies ready to disprove what I'm proving nearly everyday with many sites.

Thomas

PR is everything when it comes to the backlinks you need to achieve your rankings.

We just don't know the true PR anymore since Google stopped updating the TBPR.

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ScrapeBoss

16 years ago

You too can do the same thing your competitor is doing. Build links through blog commenting, high pr profiles, web 2.0, article submission, etc.

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Lady Carole

16 years ago

Well, this is interesting so I'll throw in my 2 cents. I've found that there are too many factors to worry about in getting pages ranked. I just do the best that I have time for and move on. A lot of my sites have ranked almost immediately and some of the others went bye, bye. I like to work with the ones that show promise and just let the others go to heaven.

Best wishes for your success. Carole

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linkswap

16 years ago

The main aspect of promoting a site is to build good link popularity for a site, i.e. getting backlinks from good related site having pr more than ours. And for boosting its ranking in the serp, pr is not a matter of fact. A site could obviously rank high from the site having more pr.

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kaiserthesage

16 years ago

Frequency of the links built through a campaign depends on the quality of the links built along the process, since some do run a successful viral campaign, in which their site gets a lot of attention and links of course.

But if you're right about your competitor buying links (irrelevant and low quality I presume), then you'll just have to give it some time before the big G gets enough data to pummel them away from their current rankings, and eventually they'll get penalized and have lower rankings for the competed keyword.

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TZ 16 years ago

Originally Posted by kaiserthesage

.....you'll just have to give it some time before the big G gets enough data to pummel them.

Exactly.

Keep writing strong posts and you will win.

I know -- it's frustrating when I see link spammers beat us out sometimes, but are usually gone or on page three with a few months.
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craig88

16 years ago

If your competitor is getting blog comments then maybe he is hitting the last comments blog roll or he is getting site wide links (links on every page on sites)

He maybe a PR 0 but there has not been a PR update in ages so he is probably higher than that now. But do not look at PR as that is not everything.

Also his links maybe poor quality so just because he is beating you on the raw number of links does not mean that is why he is ranking higher.

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Ken Leatherman

16 years ago

OP, I have to say one thing, it looks like your
competitor is being consistent with his backlink
strategy. And that may be part of the reason for his
position on Google.There may well be a very valid
lesson in that one point.

I have just started a long term strategy of backlinking
on 2 of my sites. Each has fairly competitive keywords.
The strategy will take from 3 to 6 months. At the end
of that time a monthly update will be done, adding
content and more backlinks.

Ken

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scott g

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman

OP, I have to say one thing, it looks like your
competitor is being consistent with his backlink
strategy. And that may be part of the reason for his
position on Google.There may well be a very valid
lesson in that one point.

I have just started a long term strategy of backlinking
on 2 of my sites. Each has fairly competitive keywords.
The strategy will take from 3 to 6 months. At the end
of that time a monthly update will be done, adding
content and more backlinks.

Ken

The Old Geezer

This is an SEO/Backlinking Strategy/Plan done right! Patience is a virtue in this game... NOTHING is immediate! Consistency wins though

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JasonB 16 years ago

Originally Posted by scott g

This is an SEO/Backlinking Strategy/Plan done right! Patience is a virtue in this game... NOTHING is immediate! Consistency wins though

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No doubt... No matter where and how you get those backlinks or how many at a time you are building... It comes down to............

CONSISTENCY!

Consistency is Key!

You just can't build 1,000 backlinks to your site, get to page 1 in the #1 position and then stop building links... Keep it going if it works, because if you stop, your competition is going to pass you up.
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nest28 16 years ago

Originally Posted by scott g

This is an SEO/Backlinking Strategy/Plan done right! Patience is a virtue in this game... NOTHING is immediate! Consistency wins though

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i agree and thats exactly what i'm doing
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marketingminute

16 years ago

Link velocity is not a myth. Consistency is part of the equation, but not necessary per se.

The sandbox exists, and for a reason.

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KenJ

16 years ago

Hi guys and girls

Most of this thread is way over my head.

I do however completely understand the OP. I have many marketing courses that talk about being careful about building links too fast. Nesty's competitor seems to be bucking this advice and yet beating him in the serps.

My question is - "Is it true that you can build links too fast?"

Kenj

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nest28

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kenj

Hi guys and girls

Most of this thread is way over my head.

I do however completely understand the OP. I have many marketing courses that talk about being careful about building links too fast. Nesty's competitor seems to be bucking this advice and yet beating him in the serps.

My question is - "Is it true that you can build links too fast?"

Kenj

i think its a myth

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by kenj

Hi guys and girls

Most of this thread is way over my head.

I do however completely understand the OP. I have many marketing courses that talk about being careful about building links too fast. Nesty's competitor seems to be bucking this advice and yet beating him in the serps.

My question is - "Is it true that you can build links too fast?"

Kenj

Hi Kenj,

I believe that it is a common myth that you can build links "too" fast.

Think about it, why would a search engine even care about how fast links are created? They are trying to find the most relevant results and speed of link creation has nothing to do with relevance.

I believe that folks that are using blatant spamming of backlinks feel that they may be able to "fly under the radar", so to speak, by limiting how much of their spam that gets created on a daily basis. I think that is a silly notion because search engines can recognize spam in both small and large quantities. Search engines will devalue spam when they detect it, regardless of how fast or slow it was created.

You have got to ask yourself "Will search engines see your spam as okay as long as you create it slowly?" Will search engines create algorithms that treat spam differently based on how fast it was created? Spam is spam regardless of how fast, or slow, it was created. It just seems absurd to me that some folks think that search engines will treat their spam differently if they just go slowly enough.

If you create meritorious backlinks you eliminate all concern over devaluation by search engines and no number of meritorious backlinks will ever be too many. However spam is useless and even one spammed backlink is subject to devaluation.

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ScrapeBoss

16 years ago

Originally Posted by nest28

the myth of building links to fast seems to be just that, a myth. my main competition is number one in a med competition niche where he is currently beating sites with page ranks of 4 and he only has page rank of 0. he now has a total of 6,100 links which is a 1,000 more links than he had yesterday, plus his site is only 5 months old which means he had to have been building links fast from the very start, which leads me to believe that building links fast wont hurt your site just look at this guy.

just took a look at his links in yahoo site explorer and almost 90% of them seem to be bought.

IM is a race. Do not stop doing things to improve your site or else your competition will leave you behind.

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Ken Leatherman

16 years ago

Ken,

I honestly think it comes down to the personal opinion of each site owner.

One of the ways to find out for sure is to run your own test. To be frank I
have done both ways, quickly created links and then very slowly getting
1 backlink at a time.

No sites have been sandboxed and quite a few have gone to the top of
of SE and none have been deindexed. Those that have been a few backlinks
over a long period of time are still struggling. No traffic - No money.

Those with many backlink bring traffic and traffic makes me money.

Once again it comes down to each person making his/her decision, despite
what others teach or say.

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happydancer

16 years ago

Websites with back links that build way faster than peer websites for the same keywords will get done (eventually) by G. For the competing key word,if you have 9 websites that have circa 10,000 back links each and building at the rate of circa 50 per week but 1 website that has 50,000 links and building at the rate 1000 per week, certeris paribus, what do you think G will make of that? It does not fit the mould and G see and know that. Keep your link building slightly ahead of your competition (don't go outrageous), it is very much a case of quality is worth more than numbers of backlinks. 5000 links from crappy directories that G knows no one ever peruses is not worth even 50 links from relevant quality sites that update regularly. And do not worry about competition who are seemingly ahead in the game, it is a marathon and the next G update will splat them.

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Ken Leatherman

16 years ago

Originally Posted by happydancer

Websites with back links that build way faster than peer websites for the same keywords will get done (eventually) by G. For the competing key word,if you have 9 websites that have circa 10,000 back links each and building at the rate of circa 50 per week but 1 website that has 50,000 links and building at the rate 1000 per week, certeris paribus, what do you think G will make of that? It does not fit the mould and G see and know that. Keep your link building slightly ahead of your competition (don't go outrageous), it is very much a case of quality is worth more than numbers of backlinks. 5000 links from crappy directories that G knows no one ever peruses is not worth even 50 links from relevant quality sites that update regularly. And do not worry about competition who are seemingly ahead in the game, it is a marathon and the next G update will splat them.

(bold is mine)

I believe you are giving way to much credit to "G". It is a computer only, bigger than yours and perhaps smarter, but still a computer. It may take quite some time for it "find" all the sites linking back to your site.
Consequently, regardless of where the back link comes from it will see it as a "natural" flow of links coming to your site and will count.

IMO in your statement about "G update will splat them" you state that as an absolute fact and its not. I personally have quite a few sites that have been through more than several updates and have not been splated into oblivion. Each one of these sites have a very large number of backlinks, that have been obtained in a short period of time and with periodic blast of more links coming to them.

What I'm saying is when a site gets slapped there are many other factors involved than just a huge number of links appearing quickly.

Ken Leatherman

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Dan B Rusu

16 years ago

While yahoo might show 6000 backlinks, I'm betting many of these are site-wide backlinks coming from 1 or 2 main domains. Use open site explorer or alexa to see how many actual domains are linking in.

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scott g

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

While yahoo might show 6000 backlinks, I'm betting many of these are site-wide backlinks coming from 1 or 2 main domains. Use open site explorer or alexa to see how many actual domains are linking in.

This statement could be very true especially if you commented on a blog that has that plugin which posts comments/pages/whatever in the sidebar and has a couple thousand pages indexed.

This happened once to me. I left a comment on a relative blog article and ended up getting 1k backlinks from the site (had 3k indexed pages). Obvisouly, over a little time the backlinks started to disappear... They clear out pretty quickly too.

A couple hundred backlinks from a TLD is not necessarily a bad thing... Just make sure you have other backlinks built up as well to diversify the domains pointing to your site.

If I could post 2 comments and get 6k sticking backlinks... I would. Lol! A backlinks a backlinks a backlink... Kind of like being a celebrity and getting arrested: Bad press is Good press!

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almondj

16 years ago

I had a competitor about a year or two ago who was very active and extremely dedicated to getting to the top of Google. I discovered his site probably Aug. 2008. He posted a link in my forums and all over similar sites. Within a few days he was on the third page. I watched him crawl up over the next two months until he made it to the top 5. He sat there for a few weeks, and then bam he was gone. I did some digging and he was on page 60ish. Eventually he just closed his site.

I never saw him come back from it, as would happen with a Google dance, so I believe that the whole building links to quickly/looking spammy is a somewhat verified myth, it killed one of my competitors

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by almondj

I had a competitor about a year or two ago who was very active and extremely dedicated to getting to the top of Google. I discovered his site probably Aug. 2008. He posted a link in my forums and all over similar sites. Within a few days he was on the third page. I watched him crawl up over the next two months until he made it to the top 5. He sat there for a few weeks, and then bam he was gone. I did some digging and he was on page 60ish. Eventually he just closed his site.

I never saw him come back from it, as would happen with a Google dance, so I believe that the whole building links to quickly/looking spammy is a somewhat verified myth, it killed one of my competitors

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Did his on-site SEO change or did he remove pages without properly redirecting causing numerous crawl errors? There's a lot more that comes into play than "spammy" links. Crawl errors will kill a site in the SERPs if left unattended... I know this from experience... Luckily submitting a site reconsideration through Google Webmaster Tools can reverse the damage