Backlinks from the same content. Do they have any SEO value?

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Following the advice I was given from a veteran Warrior a while back, I first post all my new articles on my site, get them indexed, and then submit them to article directories for trickle down traffic and backlinks. I’ve also been posting the same articles on free blogs (e.g. Blinkweb) for additional backlinks and I rewrite an article for every 5 “copy and pasting” to give the free blog some original content.

Do the links from these same contents pass on any significant link juice? I mean, I would continue submitting them to Ezine because of the occasional sales Ezine brings. However, I would like to know if the extra work involved in submitting to additional directories and also posting them on free blogs is worth my time. Thanks for your help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam H
    You'll be lucky if they give you any benefit what so ever, if articles are duplicated time and time again likelihood is that most of them will not be indexed, or they will be indexed and then dropped pretty quickly and therefore not counting as a backlink, they my give you a little couple of clicks from the page of the site but not through search engine.

    On the other hand submitting them to ezine or another high authority site also runs the risk of google thinking they are the more important and hence ranking the articles above your own site ( unless they link back to the exact page )

    Hence the wonderful creation of spinning articles, If you are going to do it the cheap way like you are then at least take the time to spin them , you may get some linkage then, however the best way would be to outsource your articles submit new unique content to places like ezine and see the difference in quality you get from both clicks and search engine positions.

    Unique makes a difference although you can tell people until your blue in the face and they still do it their way lol .
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  • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
    Hmm I don't think they add too much value to SEO. Do you use different anchor links from the same articles or?
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
    It's one of those things that to be honest nobody reaaally know because no1 has taken the time to really test out the methods fully...

    If anybody has then please speak up and correct me lol...

    In my own experience I've had results with both... quite often I just submit the same article but change titles and things, to be honest unless you want your article to actually rank in Google then you don't need to spin...

    Your article can still be indexed with the same content and I can prove this quite easily.. .just head over to a popular blog like pro blogger and copy and paste a paragraph of text into Google... you'll see 100's of results pop up... they are obviously indexed but when it comes to specific search phrases that the article may rank for Google would filter the results to only show Probloggers page and not the 100's of other random ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author wkathome
    Glad to see someone else with this issue. I've submitted hundreds of articles to different directories but I haven't seen hundreds of back links showing up to my site. Alex credits me with about 95 is all, so I've been wondering where are the rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author ajm5050
    Originally Posted by Riverwire

    You'll be lucky if they give you any benefit what so ever, if articles are duplicated time and time again likelihood is that most of them will not be indexed, or they will be indexed and then dropped pretty quickly and therefore not counting as a backlink, they my give you a little couple of clicks from the page of the site but not through search engine.
    Not entirely true Riverwire. As MarkSherris pointed out, I have seen same contents indexed from dozens of different sources and those include my free blogs where I copy and paste contents from my blogs (original source). Thanks for your input Riverwire, but did you ever try a similar method to come to your conclusion. Don't take this wrong the way RW, I'm just trying to dig a little deeper.

    Originally Posted by Riverwire

    On the other hand submitting them to ezine or another high authority site also runs the risk of google thinking they are the more important and hence ranking the articles above your own site ( unless they link back to the exact page )
    I have heard of this problem from some people. Personally though, most of my articles on ezine hardly get any traffic after the initial 50-100 views, whereas many of the articles posted on my blogs (indexed first) do get search traffic consistently. Mind you a couple of my blogs are PR0 and the articles posted on them rank ahead of ezine as long as the articles are first indexed on those blogs. I just thought I'd share my own experience.

    Originally Posted by Riverwire

    Hence the wonderful creation of spinning articles
    I've tried 3 different article spinners and I found them to be waste of time. It takes more time to make a spun article coherent than to rewrite an article manually. What are you using to spin your articles?

    Originally Posted by Frank Abagnale

    Do you use different anchor links from the same articles or?
    I do. The links are generally spread out to about 5 different pages or posts, but I do mix the anchor links.

    Originally Posted by MarkSherris

    It's one of those things that to be honest nobody reaaally know because no1 has taken the time to really test out the methods fully...
    You may be right, but I'm hoping that people would share their experience even if they are not sure of the answer.

    Originally Posted by wkathome

    I've submitted hundreds of articles to different directories but I haven't seen hundreds of back links showing up to my site.
    Same here wkathome. For the same content, it's either Ezine or Goarticles and I don't think I've ever seen both links for the same content appear on yahoo site explorer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam H
      Originally Posted by ajm5050 View Post

      Not entirely true Riverwire. As MarkSherris pointed out, I have seen same contents indexed from dozens of different sources and those include my free blogs where I copy and paste contents from my blogs (original source). Thanks for your input Riverwire, but did you ever try a similar method to come to your conclusion. Don't take this wrong the way RW, I'm just trying to dig a little deeper.
      Absolutely, it wasnt suppose to be taken in the literal sense, there is a shed load of duplicate posts, most people dont know what duplicate content actually is, there are thousands of instances of different methods , thats not to say its going to work for you. As a couple of people have already said they have done alot of article and can only see a couple indexed , what does that tell you. Swings and roundabouts . Google's algo is good but its not human.


      I've tried 3 different article spinners and I found them to be waste of time. It takes more time to make a spun article coherent than to rewrite an article manually. What are you using to spin your articles?
      I very rarely spin, But spinning articles is the lazy mans unique content and providing it is done correctly , by that i mean creating your own rewrite rules and making sure it makes sense it will and is better than throwing up loads of the same article. Especially if your site is not authoritative or doesnt have a massive following.
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      • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
        So basically article submission software is useless to get backlinks, as most of them won't count as a backlink anyway, am I getting this right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

        I mean who has the time to re-write every single article. And article spinners are useless as they are just another fulltime job. Re-writing is much easier, but still very, very time consuming.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adam H
          Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

          So basically article submission software is useless to get backlinks, as most of them won't count as a backlink anyway, am I getting this right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

          I mean who has the time to re-write every single article. And article spinners are useless as they are just another fulltime job. Re-writing is much easier, but still very, very time consuming.
          Hire someone to do the articles, we have a couple of in house writers at our disposal when we need them but id say 50% of the time we outsource to a couple of reliable over sea's freelancers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

        So basically article submission software is useless to get backlinks, as most of them won't count as a backlink anyway, am I getting this right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
        Katya, honestly, this is completely wrong.

        All the ones that are actually published and indexed will count as backlinks - but crap backlinks, if they're in article directories. The fact that most copies, most of the time, don't go into Google's main index doesn't make the backlinks worth any less, and it doesn't mean they're "unindexed". They're just worth very, very little to start with: that's all.

        This thread already contains quite a bit of factual misinformation, and as it goes on it's going to contain more and more (as they all do, eventually, on this subject).

        A backlink on a syndicated article (an exact copy of another article) on any particular page is absolutely no different in link-juice-value to the backlink from a "new"/"spun"/"original"/"unique" article on the same page. Even the people selling "spinning software", whose sales-pages are typically crawling with inaccuracies and misinformation about so-called duplicate content, don't pretend otherwise. This is absolutely black and white.

        The content of the article, including whether or not it's been previously published, has absolutely nothing to do with the value of the backlink. (The location, of course, does).

        The thing to bear in mind, in this context, is that an article directory backlink (whether it's on a syndicated, spun, or unique article) is a non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlink. As backlinks go, it's just about as low as you can get. It's the antithesis of an "authority site" backlink. But it isn't any higher/lower for being syndicated/original/unique: that just has nothing to do with it at all.

        Originally Posted by Riverwire View Post

        most people dont know what duplicate content actually is
        That's for sure!

        People just don't want to understand what "syndication" means.

        They don't want to think about all those tens of thousands of news websites that carry identical, identically worded stories from Associated Press, Reuters, and those other press agencies. Or any of the other examples ... :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
          Thank you Alexa for your outstanding explanation. Made some things clear for me. Too bad I've run out of thanks (Thanks for your pm as well. Helped me a lot ) Obviously your opinion is the one I trust. Heard you talk about the duplicate content myth before, so this thread threw me a little off-balance.

          May I ask you where you get your high PR backlinks from? I find it so hard to find them. What do you think of Angela's backlinks and .gov, .edu sites? The latter are obviously hard to acquire. I also assume you do a lot of guestposting on high PR blogs too?

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Katya, honestly, this is completely wrong.

          All the ones that are actually published and indexed will count as backlinks - but crap backlinks, if they're in article directories. The fact that most copesi, most of the time, don't go into Google's main index doesn't make the backlinks worth any less. They're just worth very, very little to start with: that's all.

          This thread already contains quite a bit of factual misinformation, and as it goes on it's going to contain more and more (as they all do, eventually, on this subject).

          A backlink on a syndicated article (an exact copy of another article) on any particular page is absolutely no different in link-juice-value to the backlink from a "new"/"spun"/"original"/"unique" article on the same page. Even the people selling "spinning software", whose sales-pages are typically crawling with inaccuracies and misinformation about so-called duplicate content, don't pretend otherwise. This is absolutely black and white.

          The content of the article, including whether or not it's been previously published, has absolutely nothing to do with the value of the backlink. (The location, of course, does).

          The thing to bear in mind, in this context, is that an article directory backlink (whether it's on a syndicated, spun, or unique article) is a non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlink. As backlinks go, it's just about as low as you can get. It's the antithesis of an "authority site" backlink. But it isn't any higher/lower for being syndicated/original/unique: that just has nothing to do with it at all.

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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

            May I ask you where you get your high PR backlinks from?
            They're not so much high-PR, more "high context-relevance" (much more important than PR!). But admittedly many of them are higher PR than article directory backlinks (it's not too difficult to beat PR-0 links, of course).

            I get them mostly from:-

            - people who've syndicated an article in the past (usually originally from EZA but not always) to whom I send new articles by email before submitting to directories (these are all context-relevant sites, at least to some extent, otherwise they wouldn't have wanted an article in the first place);

            - people who syndicate new articles from a directory (almost always from EZA);

            - people I've found through blog-searches, other Google searches, and so on;

            - context-relevant forum-posting (not forum profiles: those are often as useless as article directory backlinks);

            - pinging, social bookmarking, web 2.0 sites, all the usual sorts of stuff (I just do a lot less of this kind of thing than many people, I think, and less and less all the time, and I'm not sure to what extent it's paid off for me - you never know, once you've done something, how much it's helped you because you can't tell how well/badly you'd have done without it ... I actually suspect but can't prove that these things have actually helped me less than everyone claims).

            I don't normally check PR's
            , because I don't honestly care about it that much anyway. I'd far rather have a PR-0 context-relevant backlink than a PR-3/4 one from a non-context-relevant site.

            I think the page rank of the page is just one determinant of the value of a backlink, and almost certainly not nearly as significant as many people imagine.

            Getting context-relevant relevant backlinks always seems to help to lift my new-ish sites up through the SERP's. I admit I'm not competing for keywords like "make money online", "pick up girls" or anything as competitive as this, of course.

            Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

            What do you think of Angela's backlinks
            Have never subscribed, I have to say.

            I'd certainly be potentially interested in any that are relevant to my niches.

            My slight reservation about such backlink packages is that the link-juice value of a backlink is clearly in inverse proportion (albeit not quite linearly) to the number of backlinks appearing on the page, and I can't help wondering whether "pages that have appeared on lists" end up not being worth too much because of the number of links on them?

            The "high-PR" backlinks that people sell at places like fiverr.com, I think, are a complete waste of time and money because they're usually advertised as something like "PR-2 to PR4 sites" and of course this is typically just plain dishonest, because there's no such thing as a "PR-2 site" or a "PR-4 site". Sites don't "have page-rank": pages have page-rank, and what's actually being sold is a backlink on a PR-0 page of a site whose home-page happens to have PR-2 or PR-4 or whatever. That's no better than an article directory backlink!

            I have a couple of .edu blogs of my own, and they're useless, because they're not authority sites.

            I think the ".edu" business is hugely misunderstood. Some people (especially people selling backlinks!!) seem to imagine that just because a page is on a .edu site, the backlink is going to be worth more! This is nonsense. The truth, of course, is very, very different, for all the reasons explained here.

            Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

            I also assume you do a lot of guestposting on high PR blogs too?
            I do commenting (rather than guest-posting) on context-relevant (rather than "high-PR") blogs - as much as I possibly can. It isn't always easy, of course. But if you can really add value to someone's page, they'll often "let it through" and give you the backlink you want, and to me these backlinks are each worth thousands of article directory backlinks - some would say tens of thousands, so it's time really, really well spent - even though it's not that easy.

            I'd be willing to do guest-posting, I suppose, but would want the post published and indexed on my own site first, and would still submit it to a few article directories later - otherwise it's too much work just for one backlink.
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            • Profile picture of the author alexanderpoole9
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              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              They're not so much high-PR, more "high context-relevance" (much more important than PR!). But admittedly many of them are higher PR than article directory backlinks.

              I get them mostly from:-

              - people who've syndicated an article in the past (usually originally from EZA but not always) to whom I send new articles by email before submitting to directories (these are all context-relevant sites, at least to some extent, otherwise they wouldn't have wanted an article in the first place);

              - people who syndicate new articles from a directory (almost always from EZA);

              - people I've found through blog-searches, other Google searches, and so on;

              - context-relevant forum-posting (not forum profiles: those are often as useless as article directory backlinks);

              - pinging, social bookmarking, web 2.0 sites, all the usual sorts of stuff (I just do a lot less of this kind of thing than many people, I think, and less and less all the time, and I'm not sure to what extent it's paid off for me - you never know, once you've done something, how much it's helped you because you can't tell how well/badly you'd have done without it ... I actually suspect but can't prove that these things have actually helped me less than everyone claims).

              I don't normally check PR's
              , because I don't honestly care about it that much anyway. I'd far rather have a PR-0 context-relevant backlink than a PR-3/4 one from a non-context-relevant site.

              I think the page rank of the page is just one determinant of the value of a backlink, and almost certainly not nearly as significant as many people imagine.

              Getting context-relevant relevant backlinks always seems to help to lift my new-ish sites up through the SERP's. I admit I'm not competing for keywords like "make money online", "pick up girls" or anything as competitive as this, of course.



              Have never subscribed, I have to say.

              I'd certainly be potentially interested in any that are relevant to my niches.

              My slight reservation about such backlink packages is that the link-juice value of a backlink is clearly in inverse proportion (albeit not quite linearly) to the number of backlinks appearing on the page, and I can't help wondering whether "pages that have appeared on lists" end up not being worth too much because of the number of links on them?

              The "high-PR" backlinks that people sell at places like fiverr.com, I think, are a complete waste of time and money because they're usually advertised as something like "PR-2 to PR4 sites" and of course this is typically just plain dishonest, because there's no such thing as a "PR-2 site" or a "PR-4 site". Sites don't "have page-rank": pages have page-rank, and what's actually being sold is a backlink on a PR-0 page of a site whose home-page happens to have PR-2 or PR-4 or whatever. That's no better than an article directory backlink!

              I have a couple of .edu blogs of my own, and they're useless, because they're not authority sites.

              I think the ".edu" business is hugely misunderstood. Some people (especially people selling backlinks!!) seem to imagine that just because a page is on a .edu site, the backlink is going to be worth more! This is nonsense. The truth, of course, is very, very different, for all the reasons explained here.



              I do commenting (rather than guest-posting) on context-relevant (rather than "high-PR") blogs - as much as I possibly can. It isn't always easy, of course. But if you can really add value to someone's page, they'll often "let it through" and give you the backlink you want, and to me these backlinks are worth thousands of article directory backlinks, so it's time really, really well spent - even though it's not that easy.

              I'd be willing to do guest-posting, I suppose, but would want the post published and indexed on my own site first, and would still submit it to a few article directories later - otherwise it's too much work just for one backlink.
              Nice post! I have been reading a thread about how people place links in their blog comments, and you touched on this subject. The question I have is how you work your links into a blog comment.
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            • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              I do commenting (rather than guest-posting) on context-relevant (rather than "high-PR") blogs - as much as I possibly can. It isn't always easy, of course. But if you can really add value to someone's page, they'll often "let it through" and give you the backlink you want, and to me these backlinks are worth thousands of article directory backlinks, so it's time really, really well spent - even though it's not that easy.
              Excellent post, Alexa, as always

              Like "alexanderpoole9," I too would be more than happy to hear how you work your links into your comments. I know, how nice of me!

              Also, I tend to leave my name in the 'name' field on comment forms (shocking.) I know this becomes the anchor text, but in the few comments I've left, I never felt comfortable entering a keyword. I would think very few of those comments would get accepted, anyway, though I don't have experience to back that up.

              Hmm.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

                Like "alexanderpoole9," I too would be more than happy to hear how you work your links into your comments. I know, how nice of me!
                For me, they all vary. I see what other people have done on the page that has obviously been acceptable, and just try to get the best anchor-text link I think I can probably get away with, depending on how others look. (I do leave long comments, though, and genuinely try to "add value" and think about what I'd happily let through myself, if I allowed comments on any of mine - which I don't! ).
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                • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  For me, they all vary. I see what other people have done on the page that has obviously been acceptable, and just try to get the best anchor-text link I think I can probably get away with, depending on how others look.
                  Observing what has already been accepted was just too darn obvious for me, damn

                  I like to see myself as a maverick of course, laying down names instead of "cheap fish tanks," but that's just not smart SEO.

                  Ta very much o/
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexHoug
    They may not pass SEO value, but a link is a link, and traffic is traffic, so they still may add value from a traffic standpoint.
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  • Profile picture of the author clickbumped
    This is a hard question to answer...no scenario is the same. Sometimes the articles will get picked up and sometimes they won't, but you will receive traffic from these articles and that's a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author RossChops
    Just from my own experiences I can say that links from duplicate contend have no value what so ever. I own a Running Blog and created a Running Tips page to post on a forum with a high PR to get some early link juice in my link building campaign. After I moved onto promoting other pages on my domain I noticed that people were taking my article from the forum and putting it on their own blogs. I was getting the ping backs but no impact on Serps.
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