100 Day Challenge - Small > Authority & Reach $100/day

by Tom L
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Warriors,

It seems that every few weeks someone creates a post where they attempt to show how they can make money online. This is especially common with new people/niche sites as someone stumbled upon Xfactor, clickbump or one of the other systems. That is fine, but as most of us know, making money with small sites is not rocket science. It takes hard work, proper keyword
research and some back-linking.

Some of these sites tend to rank if you simply sneeze in their direction.

This was something that I did as well in the beginning but not to make a living of off small sites but to throw a wide net and see which of the sites start to show potential. It has been a few months and now I am getting a decent passive income and have those $4, $5 & $10 sites so the systems do work as promised.

Since I started, I have taken the best (in my opinion) out of the many courses available and now can easily make these sites. Many will make money, many flop... but the zombie site creation does work.

The one thing that I did not see is someone actually taking one of these smaller sites and making into an authority site.

It also dawned on me that most of those posts stopped at the point where the person reached $8-$10 per day and couldn't get their income up or gave up as it took them longer than planned.

Hopefully this will prove and show that next step which is neccessary (especially with the current google algorithm changes) to reach a healthy passive income.

If you can do this once, then you can easily rinse and repeat. Throw another net out there, and build out the ones that show potential or with enough experience go right into creating an authority site.

I have picked two candidates for this task and am going to attempt reaching that $100 per day with only them... this seems the magic number around this forum. I could do this with small sites but when I think of the maintenance, upkeep and renewal fees... this seems like a better strategy.

None of these sites have had any special backlinking to them other than a few social bookmarks, article submissions and web 2.0 properties set up during their initial couple weeks.

I will not do any massive profile linking as that is simply not my style.

The sites are as follow:

Product site - $7 average per day | 8 pages of content | 35 uniques per day | 5 month old

Health site - $5 per month |50 pages of content | 10 uniques per day | 4 month old

The reason that I chose these two is to see how they advance in comparison to each other. When starting them I thought that one would be a small product site and the other should eventually be an authority site. They were linked to in the beginning and allowed to sit and mature over a couple months.

During that time I have created almost a 100 other small sites and these are in various stages of maturity as well.

Last week I did a graphical overhaul on the health site which will definitely reduce the CTR but makes it look very professional. The product site is left as was and will be simply made larger.

I want each of them to have at the minimum a 100+ pages of backlinked content by the end of this challenge.

I will go into the way I build my pages more as I go on as it is hard to think of everything right away.

My experience shows that ranking pages other than the home page is not easy with small sites, and this is one of the reasons I want to get these larger and see if that changes.

There are some challenges though:

Product site is on 1st page of google at the top and there are not that many other products left in the same niche so I will have to get creative.

Health site is on the 2nd page of google but the competition on the 1st page is insane. There are some sites with over 100K backlinks.

Either way... we will learn something from this, and if it doesn't pan out I will be no worst of than when I started.



I also want to say thanks to XFactor, Lisa Parmsley, John Zeus and Joseph Archibald and other helpful warriors for helping me find the way when I first came into the IM world. The reason I am doing this on WF because I know that you guys will keep my accountable.


This will start on Monday so that's when I will do my first update and start the countdown.

All questions, comments, suggestions welcome.
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  • Profile picture of the author GregoryD
    Awesome, dude. Go for it. Wishing u all the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by GregoryD View Post

      Awesome, dude. Go for it. Wishing u all the best.
      I have a feeling that within this time frame... I am going to need it.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExploringInfinity
        Looks like a good thread.

        Are you going to give your backlinking strategies and such throughout this thread? I know you've given a few details about it already, AMR, BLG, Squidoos, and such.. But are you going to get into detail about what you do or do you have any set method?

        I Just decided to put adsense back on my websites, and one of them is earning about $15/day.

        I can't believe it, but it's true! And my opt-in rate to my list only seems to be growing..
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom L
          Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity View Post

          Looks like a good thread.

          Are you going to give your backlinking strategies and such throughout this thread? I know you've given a few details about it already, AMR, BLG, Squidoos, and such.. But are you going to get into detail about what you do or do you have any set method?

          I Just decided to put adsense back on my websites, and one of them is earning about $15/day.

          I can't believe it, but it's true! And my opt-in rate to my list only seems to be growing..
          Backlinking strategies... yes I can certainly go in depth with them if you guys are interested.

          There is a method which I use for when I first set up the small niche sites, but this is the first time I am attempting to make something larger.

          The algorithms seems to be changing more often as of late and thus I am always ready to move with the current.

          I intended for the thread to be educational and nothing else... extra work for me, as I would do the same plan either way.

          Thanks for the feedback
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          • Profile picture of the author ibnujusup
            hello Tom L,

            can you please give any good resources about Google algorithm that i can learn?

            thanks in advance
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Welcome to my 100 day experiment in turning small sites into authority sites!

      I really wish that I could give this person their credits for the following quote but I do not remember who said it.

      "Built an authority site and never looked back, it's presence within the niche is similar to an elephant at a tea party rally."

      This has been in my head for a while now as I was thinking up this plan. I bet you also notice how many of the large sites can elbow you out of your position by simply mentioning a product or service.

      The main thing I did was look over my neglected health site and really correct many of the problems as well as trim it down. When it was started I got distracted quite fast and left a lot of loose ends on it (pages under construction... don't you simply hate seeing those.:p I bet that Google's robot also loved all of the dead ends with empty pages.

      The site is now trimmed down to 26 pages... this makes getting this to over a 100+ pages even harder.

      After a further examination I also noticed that the payout rate I am getting on both of these sites does not quite make sense.

      From spyfu:

      Health site - average $5 per click
      Product site - average $.40 per click

      Reality:

      Health site - average $0.19 per click
      Product site - average $1 per click

      On the health site this could be due to people clicking on the bottom ads, as the one on the top pays out the most and the amount decreases with each ad... but still... $0.19 ???

      - Day 100 -

      I have placed 36 posts into the que of BMR (outsourced) for the health site (main keyword, and 3 other pages) and will have it go out at 1-3 per day. The last algorithm update makes it very important to control the velocity of the links being released.

      Placed one article for each site into AMR and set the output for 10 per day... this might be small, but I like to do a lot of different types of link building and if I set something too high it might get me in trouble. Also I do not want to have Google see that I am getting 50 links per day for three months and then only 5 or 10.

      Set up a fan page on facebook for my health site and already have two fans without any promotion... don't know much about social media but am going to figure out as much as I can during this challenge and share it with you guys.

      I wrote 4 articles for the health site. It takes me a while as I really make sure that the information is solid, go for at least 700+ words (rarely have anything with less) and theme it really well using Web content studio.

      Also scheduled for my squidoo anchors (both sites) to get plummeted for the next two days with blog posts from backlinks genie (have two accounts).

      I never mentioned that this will be done with zero help, as this is a business and if I was in the construction world I wouldn't attempt building a house without powertools in the same amount of time.

      Thanks for your support and I will keep the updates coming... next one in a day or two.


      For those that still have trouble even making small niche sites, leave your questions as well... as I had good success with that without any tools when first starting out a few months back.

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      • Profile picture of the author garben2011
        Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

        After a further examination I also noticed that the payout rate I am getting on both of these sites does not quite make sense.

        From spyfu:

        Health site - average $5 per click
        Product site - average $.40 per click

        Reality:

        Health site - average $0.19 per click
        Product site - average $1 per click

        On the health site this could be due to people clicking on the bottom ads, as the one on the top pays out the most and the amount decreases with each ad... but still... $0.19 ???
        This kind of thing is the reason why I don't get all caught up in all of this research everyone seems to be doing.

        I used to spend a lot of time on keyword research searching for keywords that have a good demand and low competition and finding in the real-world the numbers just don't add up... for example, keywords that (according to the keyword research tools) should be getting low traffic bring in several times more than should be possible and keywords that should be getting high traffic bring in a trickle and keywords that appear to be highly competitive end up ranking easy and keywords that look dead easy turn out to take a lot of time and work to rank for.

        What you are showing here seems to be the same kind of thing in my opinion. Everyone is going by these numbers... and really we don't even know how valid that information is. Certainly it is not very accurate or you would not be experiencing the above discrepancies and neither would I (and many others) experience the discrepancies in traffic and competition.

        Before I got bogged down a year or two back in all of this stuff Internet marketers are doing (thought I'd see how the rest of the world does this stuff) I mainly just wrote about subjects I wanted to write about. I am now doing that again. Because I simply don't believe any of the numbers I see in these research tools. Instead I just use some common sense. I am not going after very general terms like laptops or trucks or coffee and so on.

        The monetization angle is more difficult to work out but what I am doing now is looking at places like Amazon and seeing if the term brings back products that are best sellers. Or checking auction sites to see what kind of demand they show. In my opinion, these kind of things are far more realistic indicators of the value of a niche. Only time will tell really.

        Anyway, here is an interesting article on this topic. It was nice to find someone who shares my view on this.

        BTW - thanks for this case study. It is interesting!
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom L
          Originally Posted by garben2011 View Post

          This kind of thing is the reason why I don't get all caught up in all of this research everyone seems to be doing.

          I used to spend a lot of time on keyword research searching for keywords that have a good demand and low competition and finding in the real-world the numbers just don't add up... for example, keywords that (according to the keyword research tools) should be getting low traffic bring in several times more than should be possible and keywords that should be getting high traffic bring in a trickle and keywords that appear to be highly competitive end up ranking easy and keywords that look dead easy turn out to take a lot of time and work to rank for.

          What you are showing here seems to be the same kind of thing in my opinion. Everyone is going by these numbers... and really we don't even know how valid that information is. Certainly it is not very accurate or you would not be experiencing the above discrepancies and neither would I (and many others) experience the discrepancies in traffic and competition.

          Before I got bogged down a year or two back in all of this stuff Internet marketers are doing (thought I'd see how the rest of the world does this stuff) I mainly just wrote about subjects I wanted to write about. I am now doing that again. Because I simply don't believe any of the numbers I see in these research tools. Instead I just use some common sense. I am not going after very general terms like laptops or trucks or coffee and so on.

          The monetization angle is more difficult to work out but what I am doing now is looking at places like Amazon and seeing if the term brings back products that are best sellers. Or checking auction sites to see what kind of demand they show. In my opinion, these kind of things are far more realistic indicators of the value of a niche. Only time will tell really.

          Anyway, here is an interesting article on this topic. It was nice to find someone who shares my view on this.

          BTW - thanks for this case study. It is interesting!
          I am glad that you're finding this experiment interesting... learning a lot myself from it as well.

          Keyword research tools are a good guide but can be hit or miss as you have mentioned. There are so many cases where I have seen this happening and using your head is definitely the way to go.

          I believe it takes new people a bit of time to figure out how everything works but the best thing to do is just making new sites and evaluating all of the different factors that either make them successful, or make them fail.

          In my first three months of internet marketing, I believe that I have created and backlinked close to a 100 sites. The one important part that I did do is note down the type of backlinking done to each of them as well as the traffic and competition that the keyword tools showed.

          It is then much easier to go back and reverse engineer the successful ones and you can get even better at predicting which sites will succeed and which ones will not.

          Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    Good idea, that's exactly what I did 6 months ago and what enabled me to reach my $100 adsense days. I saw xfactor for what it is, a short term solution and eventually once I hit about 10 websites I decided to just try to focus on my top 3 that seemed to have growth potential and now I have one that makes $50-60 a day and another $20-30. The ones I never worked on still make $1/day or less but it's good to see
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by Natlex View Post

      Good idea, that's exactly what I did 6 months ago and what enabled me to reach my $100 adsense days. I saw xfactor for what it is, a short term solution and eventually once I hit about 10 websites I decided to just try to focus on my top 3 that seemed to have growth potential and now I have one that makes $50-60 a day and another $20-30. The ones I never worked on still make $1/day or less but it's good to see
      It seems like that it the way to go with Adsense. How long did it take you to get the site built up into an authority one and how many pages does it currently have?

      The great thing is that so many working systems are available that no one can make an excuse for not succeeding... other than not putting in the work.
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      • Profile picture of the author Natlex
        Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

        It seems like that it the way to go with Adsense. How long did it take you to get the site built up into an authority one and how many pages does it currently have?

        The great thing is that so many working systems are available that no one can make an excuse for not succeeding... other than not putting in the work.
        It started making decent money about 6+ months after it's creation. The keyword I was targeting in the domain was a failure. It currently has around 100 pages, I add about 2 pages per week
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    • Profile picture of the author Talar
      Originally Posted by Natlex View Post

      Good idea, that's exactly what I did 6 months ago and what enabled me to reach my $100 adsense days. I saw xfactor for what it is, a short term solution and eventually once I hit about 10 websites I decided to just try to focus on my top 3 that seemed to have growth potential and now I have one that makes $50-60 a day and another $20-30. The ones I never worked on still make $1/day or less but it's good to see
      So very few who are building niche type sites fail to r4ealize this ... one can argue all day about which paid or free keyword selection tool, back links tool, etc. is correct. But we actually have a tool that _is_ always correct, so far as Google are concerned, and it doesn't cost, it pays.

      There's no way to exaggerate the authenticity of the results you'll get by just building 100 'xfactor'-style sites and then looking at your SERP rankings and AdSense results in a few months. Google will tell you in actual dollars and cents votes which sites it values.

      Then instead of crying about Google 'hating' some sites, just dump them and focus on what Google has already paid you to focus on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by RenTak Rengøring View Post

      Good luck. Hope u make it.
      Thank you... with these types of threads it is always hard to tell as even some of the best GURUs have failed... seen it before.

      The only thing I can promise is that I will finish the task and give it my best... however, failure is not something that I take likely so expect a fight.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ibex
        Hi

        I'll certainly be following this thread with interest. I'm currently expanding some of my smaller sites, so will be particulary interesed in your methods.

        Best wishes

        Kim.
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        • Profile picture of the author bbbsites22
          This is an excellent thread, and one that I will definitely follow. I'd love to know more backlinking details, as the new Algo change has really got me confused. And BTW...we should all give our thinks to Tom for this, as it does take quite a bit of extra work to put it together...just my 2c.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterofinternate
    Hey good luck for your challenge. Keep updating your success to inspire everyone as already I've been motivated to take such kind of project.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L

      How time flies when you are working hard... lol


      I completely understand how the algo changes wreck havoc in the IM community but that is because of the many systems with weak foundations that are followed. It just amazes me that I am still getting offers about auto-blogging and such nonsense after Google has officialy figured it out and thrown the concept out the window. These types of programs have been available for many years and they all last no more than a few months... if you are lucky.

      Enough rambling... we are going old school / back to the basics with this thread. Solid foundations and techniques that some of the best current money makers (white hat) are using to get their large sites ranking over and over again. At least that's what I have been able to get out of them... and now the time comes to see if they are really onto something or simply blowing smoke.

      If this experiment is even partially successful, anyone will be able to tack it onto one of the small niche programs out there and seriously make a killing. Not trying to get ahead of myself but the fact is that the ways to make a small site profitably are already working (many available) and all we need now is a easy-to-understand way on how to expand these sites.

      As I might be a bit all over the place, what I will try to do... is later sum up what I have done in a easy to see format so that everyone can have a little cheat sheet to look over (if people are interested.) The reason for not following a straight route is that this is not an assembly line and things/thoughts/events happen which make me either enhance or add something onto a previous idea. That's just the type of a business that this is.

      I appreciate the support and hope that this really helps with what you guys are already doing or planning on doing next.

      - Day 98 -

      Within the last two days I have done the following:
      • wrote 4 articles for the health site
      • submitted 72 posts to BMR (health and product site)
      • Studied on how to write/send press releases
      • wrote 2 press releases for health site
      • wrote 1 press release for product site
      • searched for additional 8 keywords that I will write up on for the product site
      • Sent 1500 blog posts to a Squidoo buffer (health site) aimed at money site
      • Sent 1500 blog posts to a Squdioo buffer (product site) aimed at money site

      There are various ways to use backlinks genie but what I have noticed that by sending multiple types of spammy links at them, even harder to rank for pages start to get indexed and sometimes come up quite high. I vary the type of web 2.0 properties that I create as well as from my experience having anymore than 10 Squidoo lenses pointed at one site is pointless. Some people say that you should create one squidoo lense for each site on your page but I would rather take than energy elsewhere. After 10 links from the same site, the strength of any additional ones becomes seriously diluted.

      Backlinks Genie as well as SEO robot create these type of properties and I use that for that as well. I plan on creating a few batches for the different long tail keywords and throwing a ton of links at those to get them ranking.

      My health site at the moment is ranking "80" for its root keyword (shorter version of the one I have in the URL) for 60,000 exact daily visits.:rolleyes:

      This is due solely to the fact that I hit my buffer sides hard with backlinks. I haven't done it yet to the BMR posts as this might be a bit dangerous do to the fact that Google might one day figure out their network and devalue it but it sounds like an interesting experiment to do for maybe one or two pages.

      I always like to experiment with either two or three properties to see if the results are similar. One could be lucky or a fluke so that is why I have chose two sites for the 100 day experiment as well.

      Three would have been optimal, but due to my time constraints (still working on other sites) that would have been too much to do realistically.

      Keep the comments, questions, suggestions coming...
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom L
        Originally Posted by Ibex View Post

        Hi

        I'll certainly be following this thread with interest. I'm currently expanding some of my smaller sites, so will be particulary interesed in your methods.

        Best wishes

        Kim.
        Kim,

        I hope that you are successful with that. Are you at the same stage as me, ahead or not started yet?

        Originally Posted by bbbsites22 View Post

        This is an excellent thread, and one that I will definitely follow. I'd love to know more backlinking details, as the new Algo change has really got me confused. And BTW...we should all give our thinks to Tom for this, as it does take quite a bit of extra work to put it together...just my 2c.
        Thank you.

        The algo changes do keep things interesting, but I haven't seen any devaluation on my sites (ones with strong foundations) and this is what I am attempting to continue here. Apart from BMR which is a bit on the grey line, however, until I finish building my own high PR blog network it will have to suffice. I would never recommend for anyone to use something like that as the only backlinking strategy as that could seriously backfire.

        Originally Posted by masterofinternate View Post

        Hey good luck for your challenge. Keep updating your success to inspire everyone as already I've been motivated to take such kind of project.
        That is one of the reasons that I have started this thread. Educate and motivate.... let's face it... working alone sucks, seeing no reward for your work 3 or 6 months sucks, unknown changes to the algorithm do as well... all we can do is look at the positives and learn from each other.

        Nothing will replace work though so motivation is key.
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    good luck bro ... bookmarked this thread will see how it goes
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  • good luck on this
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Day 93 - Week One Update!

      It has been an interesting week in regards to the business. As I have never spent so much time working on the same sites, my patience has been tested beyond belief. There are so many other ideas and strategies going through my mind it is hard to stick with doing the same thing over and over.

      The niche sites make it easier as although the process I have made is similar... the topic changes often. I guess it is a good thing that I picked something which I was interested in at least a bit so that I do not go completely nuts.

      One process which was completely new to me was writing and submitting press releases.

      This is what has been accomplished within the last 7 days:


      Product Site

      1 Press Release - webwire.com
      8 pages added
      Sent 5250 blog posts to web 2.0 buffer sites
      Directory Power Submitter submission
      35 article submissions

      Health Site

      2 Press Releases - webwire.com / Press Release Submitter (900 submissions) / 10 high PR free services
      8 pages added
      Sent 5250 blog posts to web 2.0 buffer sites
      Directory Power Submitter submission
      35 article submissions

      The sites stats for end of week 1:

      Product site - 51 uniques per day (16+ from last week)

      Health site - 35 uniques per day (25+ from last week)

      I am not sharing the revenue yet as I am not really seeing much of a difference at this point. It seems that Adsense CPC has went down over the entire board as although the traffic for all of my sites increased by about 25% but the daily average is about the same.

      The point here is to get the traffic up substantially for both of these sites. Since I am still submitting them to directories, I want to keep my advertising and affiliate offers to a minimum as many of the better directory owners frown upon that.

      My largest challenge this week is that I am leaving on a short vacation from Thursday to Sunday and will be unable to work on the sites. There are a lot of things to still work on and it is very important to set up some more things so that the sites can keep getting backlinks and get at least a small but necessary content update. I want Google to send its spiders to them every week like clockwork.

      For those that are thinking of doing the same type of experiment as me, I will give this food for thought.

      Make sure that you have other offers/affiliates available in the same niche alongside adsense. This can make a huge difference later on for numerous reasons.

      Thanks for the support
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Thanks for sharing your experiment. Great read!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      Thanks for sharing your experiment. Great read!
      I am glad that you are enjoying it.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExploringInfinity
        Keep it up with the great updates.

        I'm still following along.
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        • Profile picture of the author JosephA
          Tom, is that you in the swimming pool?

          You may wish to start planning for a follow-up eBook and set it up for a WSO (to begin). There's no doubt that if you are successful then there's going to be a big demand for such an eBook!

          I'll write up a blog post too Tom and link to your thread here - the more folks to learn about this the better!

          Best wishes!

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          • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
            Keep up the great work, Tom! I'm excited to see how everything plays out - good luck!

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            • Profile picture of the author Tom L
              Originally Posted by kasimarie View Post

              Keep up the great work, Tom! I'm excited to see how everything plays out - good luck!

              - Kasi
              Kasi,

              me included... lol... to see how this plays out.

              Thanks,

              Tom
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              • Profile picture of the author 2ndAccount
                great thread.

                in my opinion the real benefit here will come from posting quality content. i've tried various aspects of IM over the last few years and the real $ comes when i simply focus on throwing out solid gold content.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tom L
                  Originally Posted by 2ndAccount View Post

                  great thread.

                  in my opinion the real benefit here will come from posting quality content. i've tried various aspects of IM over the last few years and the real $ comes when i simply focus on throwing out solid gold content.
                  I agree and this alone is the reason why it takes me a while to write it (no outsourcing done here) as I want great content. Many of my pages are in the 1300+ word range, very well themed (using Web Content Studio) and feature multiple related / long tail keywords.

                  This is the first time I have went this route, so it feels a bit like treading into unknown territory.

                  Tom
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                  • Profile picture of the author JosephA
                    Here was me thinking that you were a cool dude who would never sense pressure Tom, LOL!

                    And you are quite right and you did remember - the image I had of you was the fat bald dude whacking away constantly at your computer day after day, night after night (and when I say "Whacking" I don't mean that sort :p). That image sadly is no longer there.

                    One quick question for now, if I may Tom...

                    Do you feel that exact match domains are as easy to rank and hold that rank in Goog as they were previously?

                    Keep up the fine work, sir!

                    Regards
                    Joseph
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                    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
                      Originally Posted by JosephA View Post

                      Here was me thinking that you were a cool dude who would never sense pressure Tom, LOL!

                      And you are quite right and you did remember - the image I had of you was the fat bald dude whacking away constantly at your computer day after day, night after night (and when I say "Whacking" I don't mean that sort :p). That image sadly is no longer there.

                      One quick question for now, if I may Tom...

                      Do you feel that exact match domains are as easy to rank and hold that rank in Goog as they were previously?

                      Keep up the fine work, sir!

                      Regards
                      Joseph
                      Joseph,

                      I feel the pressure... however I am not influenced nor phased by it. Sometimes I wish that I was a bit more as that could be a strong motivator.



                      Would this be a better profile picture?

                      As per your question, I have noticed after further experimentation that for the weakest of niches, exact domains are a bit quicker (not easier) to rank and tend to dance less when hit with links. These tests are still ongoing as I keep trying to fine tune my processes.

                      Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom L
            Originally Posted by JosephA View Post

            Tom, is that you in the swimming pool?

            You may wish to start planning for a follow-up eBook and set it up for a WSO (to begin). There's no doubt that if you are successful then there's going to be a big demand for such an eBook!

            I'll write up a blog post too Tom and link to your thread here - the more folks to learn about this the better!

            Best wishes!

            Joseph
            Joseph,

            I can definitely feel the pressure rising when one of my mentors comes and visit the experiment

            That is me in the pool outside the beach house... do some of my best thinking there. Hope that gets the image of me being some fat guy whacking about on the keyboard out of your head... lol.

            If I do reach some type of success with this, and more importantly, the people request it... then I will consider an e-book. There is so much information within my head that it would be a bit interesting to see it hit the paper. In any case, I would definitely include an easy way to get the small niche sites ranking well in the first place (minimal work) so that the readers can even get to this step.

            Thank you for your support!
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom L
          Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity View Post

          Keep it up with the great updates.

          I'm still following along.
          Thanks, either way we will learn a lot from this.
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  • Profile picture of the author thehobbster
    This is cool and I appreciate it. I hope you will keep up with it as so far 100% of these projects fail to get updated as promised.
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  • Profile picture of the author beginner warrior
    What's a product site?

    That could mean just about anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author JosephA
      Hey Tom, I suspect that if you were that big guy you would not be so much floating on that yellow inflatable in the pool as you would be lying on the bottom of the pool (with your ice cream and pizza)

      As you mentioned a while back, chances are that a few more exact match domains will become available as lots of folks who got involved with IM fall by the way side, or find that they don't understand how to make money from ranking a webpage or pages even though they bought up a number of emd's in an early frenzy.

      Joseph
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      • Profile picture of the author welshtony99
        Great thread. Good luck. I shall follow with interest.

        In your initial post you said:

        Since I started, I have taken the best (in my opinion) out of the many courses available and now can easily make these sites.

        It would be good if you could summarize your thoughts/learning on this in one of your posts, sometime, as there are some of us that are still considering starting this type of process and you've already cracked teh code, so to speak.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom L
          Originally Posted by beginner warrior View Post

          What's a product site?

          That could mean just about anything.
          beginner warrior,

          It definitely could, what I mean is that on this site all I do is review products.

          For Example:
          - car Tires
          - hub caps
          - motorcycle tires
          - bike tires
          - brake pads

          (all within one niche)

          The health site is where someone is looking for help with their ailment.

          You can also set up a vocational site, educational site, software site...

          These all tend to perform a bit differently as it relates to Adsense and so I have picked two different ones. It is really up to you which way you decide to go.



          Originally Posted by JosephA View Post

          Hey Tom, I suspect that if you were that big guy you would not be so much floating on that yellow inflatable in the pool as you would be lying on the bottom of the pool (with your ice cream and pizza)

          As you mentioned a while back, chances are that a few more exact match domains will become available as lots of folks who got involved with IM fall by the way side, or find that they don't understand how to make money from ranking a webpage or pages even though they bought up a number of emd's in an early frenzy.

          Joseph
          Joseph,

          If I was that fat... maybe I could simply float... no inflatables needed and keep my laptop on the stomach...

          Those exact domains are definitely becoming available. As I do my keyword research over again (on older keywords) there are already some now showing that weren't there a couple months ago. I also like to do a manual search on many keywords by simply typing in...... niche.com, niche.net, niche.org and see that so many are simply parked without getting any attention.

          It boils down to the people reading some course > getting overexcited > purchasing hundreds of domains > starting a challenge on WF > creating a couple sites > not getting results > becoming frustrated > e-mailing the course teacher a nasty letter > abandoning the WF challenge > looking for a normal job or reading another course.... rinse and repeat


          Originally Posted by welshtony99 View Post

          Great thread. Good luck. I shall follow with interest.

          In your initial post you said:

          Since I started, I have taken the best (in my opinion) out of the many courses available and now can easily make these sites.

          It would be good if you could summarize your thoughts/learning on this in one of your posts, sometime, as there are some of us that are still considering starting this type of process and you've already cracked teh code, so to speak.
          welshtony99

          As many of these types of posts have already been made... I do not really want to do the same thing over again.

          However, I do feel that I have a system down and if enough people are interested in this I might write something up on this as well(this is extra work for me though.... lol)


          Thanks for all of the comments, questions... keep them coming
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          • Profile picture of the author seiter101
            Hey Tom,

            Could you talk a little bit about your on-page optimization for these sites. I am quite interested in that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom L
              Day 91

              Last update before I'm off on a vacation (will still produce a larger update on Monday)

              Let me talk a bit about on-page optimization. I do treat the two sites a bit differently when it comes to the content with the health one being themed and optimized better, but the product one having more long tails included.

              Before writing an article I do one of two things. Either do a quick search in the Google tool for similar keywords, or type in the original keyword into google and look for related searches. The second way is less valuable in my opinion as there is no way of seeing the amount of traffic going to these... and some although looking good get less than 1 or 2 uniques per day. If they do sound good though I will note them down just to include within the article.

              It's easiest to learn from example so consider this one a freebie... lol

              Keyword: Kitchen utensils

              Step 1 - Type it into the keyword tool

              Step 2 - Copy a few of the higher related keywords

              [kitchen utensils list]
              1,900 720
              [list of kitchen utensils]
              480 170
              [silicone kitchen utensils]
              480 210
              [stainless steel kitchen utensils]
              390 170
              [kitchen utensils stores]
              390 320
              [antique kitchen utensils]
              390 320
              [wooden kitchen utensils]
              390 210
              [kitchen utensils gadgets]

              Step 3 - Clean up list

              kitchen utensils list
              list of kitchen utensils
              silicone kitchen utensils
              stainless steel kitchen utensils
              kitchen utensils stores
              antique kitchen utensils
              wooden kitchen utensils
              kitchen utensils gadgets

              Step 4 - select at least 5 additional keywords (often I get a larger list, but this is just to show the technique)

              kitchen utensils list
              silicone kitchen utensils
              stainless steel kitchen utensils
              antique kitchen utensils
              wooden kitchen utensils

              (all of these could work as their own categories, so write the first one / two paragraphs to introduce the user to the subject and then work in these ones underneath. Bold them so that the search engine knows they are important.)

              Step 5 - type in keyword into google.com and go to advanced.. related searches

              baking utensils
              serving utensils
              eating utensils
              grilling utensils
              bar utensils

              The last column looks interesting so I would place these in a sentence somewhere within the content... you want as much related stuff as possible. You can do much more than this and I do for the health site, but this is the bare minimum.

              Step 6 - find some images for your page... between one and five pictures per page with good descriptions, fill up with keywords, and point some images at other pages of the site for better siloing.

              Step 7 - write the content around 700+ words and up... never below 400, hopefully above 1000 words

              Step 8 (optional) - If you have web content studio... rip the theme out of the top 10 sites and really get the pages some love by Google. There is also software called WebSite Auditor which you can run your pages through to do additional tweaks. This might be above what most would ever think of doing but the first 7 steps are a good stepping stone.

              You can also cherry pick some additional long tails from market samurai, or whatever other program you use.

              I have tweaked some sites, and with minimal backlinking the smaller sites have ranked #1 in Google after a month or two and brought in between $5-$10 per day. One of the sites only had one page on it and only received a couple no follow links from blogs as well as two article submissions and I woke up one day to see it almost reach $15. Nothing special, maybe, but this was when I was initially starting out and I definitely learned a bit from each of these occurrences.


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              What has been done the last two days?

              I wrote 2 pages each for the sites and have been playing around with some other type of content which I will talk about next week... magnetic content.

              Each site is getting blog posts through BMR, setup 2 additional Squidoo lenses, and some high rank profile wheels to the sites while blasting both the profile wheels and Squidoo lenses with hundreds of blog posts. (all outsourced)

              I am still running the directory submissions... have hit around 9,000+ directories with Directory Power Submitter (first time using it, and so I don't know when they run out), enough to have to add money into my decaptcher account.

              The sites are definitely showing life with both the amount of traffic and money they bring in but I will leave those facts in for later updates as I deem them necessary.



              No pictures included in the tutorial as it is simply too much work for me to do that here

              Tomorrow I am off to Florida for a small vacation break but my fiance was nice enough to get us a place with an internet connection. A definite must for me as I always feel a need to be plugged in.
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  • Profile picture of the author nikmatbersama
    Thanks for sharing.. I am glad to read the information from u
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    This is an excellent tutorial and I hope others are taking in these free lessons.

    It really shows how much time and effort is needed in order to rank a site - realistically.
    I've done some of this many years ago and have a couple of authority sites that still rank nicely. But, it took a long time to achieve that status.

    Sticking with it over the long haul is what produced consistent residual monthly income.

    Great job!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      This is an excellent tutorial and I hope others are taking in these free lessons.

      It really shows how much time and effort is needed in order to rank a site - realistically.
      I've done some of this many years ago and have a couple of authority sites that still rank nicely. But, it took a long time to achieve that status.

      Sticking with it over the long haul is what produced consistent residual monthly income.

      Great job!
      It's definitely not a fast way to riches, but combined with other ways of income... it's not too bad. However, this business will humble you sooner or later... sort of like the stock market.
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  • Profile picture of the author seiter101
    Tom how is each site structured. The information you have above is very interesting indeed. I just want to know what the structure of your sites are like. What is the internal linking like?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by seiter101 View Post

      Tom how is each site structured. The information you have above is very interesting indeed. I just want to know what the structure of your sites are like. What is the internal linking like?
      The product site is structured in the following way

      Home page

      article about the main keyword

      links to five other keywords (each page has an article)

      link to a category called Articles or if the keyword was tires... I would call it "Tire accessories"

      A couple links to other .gov or .edu sites in the same theme. These show Google that I am here to educate people and not simply sell them something.

      That's basically it (always include the privacy policy, terms, contact etc... pages)

      The health site was set up in the same way but I have changed it to look more like an authority site.

      The home page is a directory, listing all of the categories and has links to the articles on it.

      The category pages all have articles in their theme within them.
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  • Profile picture of the author 2ndAccount
    Quick question.

    You mention in some of your earlier posts about keeping things natural looking. Isn't adding the sites to 9,000+ directories a bit spammy looking and un-natural?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by 2ndAccount View Post

      Quick question.

      You mention in some of your earlier posts about keeping things natural looking. Isn't adding the sites to 9,000+ directories a bit spammy looking and un-natural?
      You are completely right... but it's okay to do with the program that I am using, and this is why.

      As I started testing it, I noticed that it scrolls through the different categories are most of the sites it simply skips because it does not find one that is related.

      Out of a 100 directories it maybe posts into 5-15 of them at the most.

      So let's say that on an average after running the program for a couple days I do get 900 submissions done, this would break down to maybe a 150 per day.

      Half of them are probably not going to be accepted or will send me an e-mail asking for a payment.

      That would be about 75 per day at the most... which would normally be too many for a newer site but consider this.

      If you have any experience with directory submission, you will know that it takes from a week to a month or more for the majority to get accepted. That spreads out the risk quite a bit and on top of that I believe that since Google already knows that this is an acceptable but forced type of gaining backlinks, they will not penalize you for getting them for a month or so and then stopping.

      Even with all of this said, I wouldn't do 9000 back to back.... I do around 1500 per day, pausing the program for a few hours and restarting it again.... gives it a bit of randomness as well.

      Hope that helps
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      • Profile picture of the author taxi952
        Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

        You are completely right... but it's okay to do with the program that I am using, and this is why.

        As I started testing it, I noticed that it scrolls through the different categories are most of the sites it simply skips because it does not find one that is related.

        Out of a 100 directories it maybe posts into 5-15 of them at the most.

        So let's say that on an average after running the program for a couple days I do get 900 submissions done, this would break down to maybe a 150 per day.

        Half of them are probably not going to be accepted or will send me an e-mail asking for a payment.

        That would be about 75 per day at the most... which would normally be too many for a newer site but consider this.

        If you have any experience with directory submission, you will know that it takes from a week to a month or more for the majority to get accepted. That spreads out the risk quite a bit and on top of that I believe that since Google already knows that this is an acceptable but forced type of gaining backlinks, they will not penalize you for getting them for a month or so and then stopping.

        Even with all of this said, I wouldn't do 9000 back to back.... I do around 1500 per day, pausing the program for a few hours and restarting it again.... gives it a bit of randomness as well.

        Hope that helps

        I tryed to summit my site to as many directories as possible. I think there are 5000 directories that i summited but there is no big diference in my rankings. I summited them 3 months ago.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom L
        Day 86 - Week Two Update

        I am now back from my days off and ready to get back in the groove.

        This week, my plan is to get around 8 pages of content up and backlinked on both of the sites. Another thing will be getting the health site into as many directories as possible. This was done to the directory site last week along with the press releases and a few interesting things have happened.

        The health site is not moving too much in the number of visitors but that can be expected as it is located in a competitive niche with a lot of money being thrown around. Health issues never stop and have a slump... especially the one which I am targeting.

        Back to the product site though... after the press releases and directory submissions happened I started to see that main keyword dancing around the first page. It went from the #1 spot to #3 then #2 and is not stable at the moment. After opening market samurai to check the other pages, I have seen around 13 now being on the top of the 2nd page... before this week, most were on 6th or even further. This means that if I continue doing what I am doing, one of these days (weeks.. months... who knows) they will hit the first page and my traffic might double or triple over night.

        Spoke to X-factor briefly about my experiment and he said to be patient, as after hitting 12 months, many of his sites that he fleshed out... have doubled or tripled in income, simply due to the age.

        Health Site

        4 pages added
        Sent 5250 blog posts to web 2.0 buffer sites
        35 article submissions
        Created 2 squidoo pages targeting other pages on site

        Product Site

        4 pages added
        Sent 5250 blog posts to web 2.0 buffer sites
        35 article submissions
        Created 2 squidoo pages targeting other pages on site
        Used directory submitter to run the site through over 9000 directories (I estimate around 1000 actually went through but these will reviewed by the sites over the next couple weeks).

        The sites stats for end of week 1:

        Product site - 58 uniques per day (7+ from last week)

        Health site - 38 uniques per day (3+ from last week)


        The income is getting a bit better for both of the sites but I will probably share that at the end of the first month as it takes a bit for me to get a new average.

        A few other interesting facts that I have noticed since the last algorithm update. Seems that less links and exact match domains are even more powerful than before... a bit against what Google has been stating.

        I have launched 3 different EMD two weeks ago and each has had less than 45 links back to it... spaced out at about 2 per day and all of them are now in the top 5 of Google. (Some are still waiting in the queue of BMR.) The google dance will probably happen within the next week or two and may last for about a month, after which the sites will be back on top... most likely even higher than previously.


        Thanks to everyone who commented
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom L
          Originally Posted by jacked View Post

          Good luck, you are doing great and seem to be well on your way to your goal.
          Thanks, sometimes I feel that I might have been better doing something easier that I know that I can accomplish... such as getting on the #1 in Google within a few weeks, but where is the fun in that.... lol

          Let's see what happens as I have never tried to flesh out any of my sites.

          Originally Posted by taxi952 View Post

          I tryed to summit my site to as many directories as possible. I think there are 5000 directories that i summited but there is no big diference in my rankings. I summited them 3 months ago.
          Anyone can correct me if I am wrong, but directories is simply something that needs to be done in order to show Google that you are serious about your sites. The rankings will rarely improve, although you may get some benefits if you hit up the more known paid directories (or so I have heard).

          Even though you submit to 5000, only maybe 250 will actually be approved and show up as links. Free directories are equivalent to article sites with a PR of 0 as it relates to back link juice.

          When combined with other back linking efforts it will make a difference.

          Originally Posted by skinbeautyhq View Post

          Thanks for sharing your journey Tom.

          Btw, is the BMR Build My Rank tool? And what's AMR?

          Cheers,

          Zoe
          BMR = Build My Rank
          AMR = Article Marketing Robot

          Although I have been a fan of UAW for quite some time, I decided to put the old dinosaur to sleep and replace it with a one time payment option that does a better job (AMR). No relation or an affiliate of the owner of the software, simply stating my opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          Can I ask what you mean by "5250 blog posts to web 2.0 buffer sites''? Do you mean you created 5250 unique posts and sent them to the likes of blogger, wordpress, squidoo, etc?

          Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

          Health Site

          4 pages added
          Sent 5250 blog posts to web 2.0 buffer sites
          35 article submissions
          Created 2 squidoo pages targeting other pages on site
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom L
        Day 71 - Week Four

        Another update, this one is a tad late... but I have been busy with working and going over my game plan for the next couple weeks. The larger update which will sum up what has been going on will happen soon once I can get all of my thoughts in order.

        Many people begin these types of experiments with one goal in mind. Get people over to their blog, on a list and start to upsell them different products.

        This is most often done with something that seems easily achievable, brings quick cash and can get people hyped up. I am seeing these all over the place... how I made my $200 per day, how I quit my job or the way you can reach top 10 in Google in 10 hours... lol.

        There is so much of that already going on that I felt the world can easily go on without me joining in on the fun. I would like to do a larger update on my own blog as it gives me a bit more control over what I can say and place on it. This forum is known for deleting posts and I don't want to put in a lot of work and see that happen.... however, my blog is so simple and ugly at the moment that even I dislike looking at it.

        Some of my time this week is going to getting that in shape but I know nothing about wordpress so it is a new skill which needs to be learned fast (sounds similar to most of my internet marketing education).

        Onto an update as I have a lot of things to do for my other sites:

        Health Site

        0 pages added
        Sent 1500 blog posts to web 2.0 and high profile buffer sites
        35 article submissions
        Searching for CPA offers to match the site
        Getting keywords ready for future site articles

        Product Site

        6 pages added
        Social bookmarked all of the addes pages
        Sent 1500 blog posts to web 2.0 and high profile buffer sites
        35 article submissions
        Found 19 additional keywords for future articles

        One of my goals this week was to start looking ahead a bit more and instead of picking any keyword from the list... look a bit closer at the competition so that I start getting additional traffic as soon as possible.

        In order to get near the $100 per day, I need a lot of focused content and get those pages ranking within weeks. Three months is not a lot of time.

        The sites stats for end of week 2:

        Product site - 50 uniques per day (+6 from last week)

        Health site - 77 uniques per day (+39 from last week)

        Google has finally got my health site back onto the 1st page (10th spot) which is nice since the competition is definitely strong.

        Keep the questions and comments coming,

        Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
    Good luck, you are doing great and seem to be well on your way to your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author skinbeautyhq
    Thanks for sharing your journey Tom.

    Btw, is the BMR Build My Rank tool? And what's AMR?

    Cheers,

    Zoe
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  • Profile picture of the author neversaynever
    This is exactly like I'm doing now; making big site from micro niche site. I only have 3 micro niche sites and develop its content from 5 articles each into 50 articles each. As now, I earn tripled.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author sonic74
      Hi TomL,

      Which directory submission software do you use ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom L
        Originally Posted by neversaynever View Post

        This is exactly like I'm doing now; making big site from micro niche site. I only have 3 micro niche sites and develop its content from 5 articles each into 50 articles each. As now, I earn tripled.

        Good luck.
        Thanks, how long did it take for your sites to triple in income?

        Originally Posted by sonic74 View Post

        Hi TomL,

        Which directory submission software do you use ?
        I use directory power submitter and it has been working fine for me so far. Definitely recommend that you use decaptcher with it or you will have to sit in front of the computer for a long period of time solving them yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Watch Store
    What do you mean by blog posts thorugh bmr and blasting both the profile wheels and Squidoo lenses with hundreds of blog posts

    where are you creating the blog posts ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by Watch Store View Post

      What do you mean by blog posts thorugh bmr and blasting both the profile wheels and Squidoo lenses with hundreds of blog posts

      where are you creating the blog posts ?
      There are two different things that I do in order to target both the money site, as well as give the forced backlinks (web 2.0 properties) strength.

      BMR is a high profile blog service which I use to link back to my money sites. It allows for contextual links which is something that Google loves... even more so now than before the last algorithm update.

      The web 2.0 properties such as (Squidoo, blogger, wordpress) are known forced links... that means that both you and big G knows that it was you who made them. Normally these have a hard time getting indexed and not hold any strenght but after you send thousands of spammy blogs posts and high rank profiles their way... all of that spam is converted into a strong page which then is pointed towards your money site and shows up as a much stronger link.

      If you simply throw all of the spam directly at your money site... the consequences could be very bad.

      Hope that helps,

      Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author capone2009
    Do you get daily reports with Backlinks Genie? Good luck with your goal btw, great to see someone trying to build up a larger site instead of the micro approach.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Day 79 - Week Three update

      It's funny how time flies when you're working hard. Before going into a sites update I wanted to address some factors that need to be considered when attempting on making a larger site or internet marketing in general.

      MOTIVATION

      Let's not kid ourselves here, there are a 101 ways to give up on this type of an experiment or internet marketing altogether. That is one of the main reasons why I believe so many people start different things while they are excited, and either get regular jobs, become discontent (some turn into internet trolls) or just annoyed. This can wreck havoc on a person's life if they do not realize what is happening and get back in balance. This business is shown in a very glamorous way and does not need much upfront capital but don't let anyone fool you into thinking it is easy.

      All of your pages will take some time to mature, and it seems that this time frame is becoming extended by Google with every update. This means that the work you are doing today will probably not show much signs of life for at least three months. This happens to all of us, especially with adsense. You create a small site and it hits the first page, brings in some $$ and falls into oblivion.... now depending on how you react, it will either come back stronger or never be seen again. Sound familiar?

      Creating an authority site is no different and has its own ups and downs just like anyone else. I do not get phased by it much as I expected it and already go through it with the smaller sites. Stay realistic if you want to make it here, and adjust your plan accordingly to what you see happen. Since I have noticed that it is easier to rank long tails with three or more words than it is for two word phrases... that is what I do now. Even though I had many two word keywords on the to do list (and yes some two word sites ranked quickly and are making money) I chose to take the path of least resistance. Of course, I still check some for competition and if I see it is weak enough, I risk a couple hours of work and cash to dive into it head first.

      RISK-AVERSION

      If you are not a gambling type and feel safe in on steady waters, do not follow what others tell you to do. Everytime that you give up on something that you are already fairly experienced in.. you are jumping into turbulent waters. Even if there is money in it, and the person wrote a nice inexpensive guide for you... there are always things that are left out. How you handle those will separate you from a winner or a statistic of the ones who don't make it. Getting off the beaten path is great but only for those that can handle the pressure.

      For those just starting out, do not think about doing what I am doing without some experience and really thinking about it. Creating small sites is still easy and yes, you can make money fairly quickly. I went a bit crazy and made a hundred in a span of three months (5+ page sites) and it worked out for me. Work at your own pace and do not switch methods until you have fairly perfected the one you are working on now.

      Finally to the updates:

      Health Site

      4 pages added
      Sent 5250 blog posts to web 2.0 and high profile buffer sites
      35 article submissions
      Ran the site through a directory submitter resulting in around 200 completed submissions
      Added the site to sitevaluestats.com

      Product Site

      2 pages added
      Sent 5250 blog posts to web 2.0 and high profile buffer sites
      35 article submissions
      Added the site to sitevaluestats.com

      For those that never heard of it sitevaluestats.com is a quick way to create backlinks on sites which evaluate how much your site is worth. This is a free tool and is simply another way to diversify your links.

      This week I am planning to do a bit more content and less spammy blog posts. Even though they are buffered by other sites, I do not want Google to start thinking something fishy is going on.

      I am still working on the magnetic content for the site as well so hopefully I can get that into place on one of the sites and share that information with everyone on here.

      Even though this experiment is scheduled for a 100 days, I am not going to simply give up on the sites or take in the money that come and lay back. These sites will continue to get maintained and increased until that $100 per day is reached with them. If it takes longer than a 100 days... well, then everyone will see for themselves what this process realistically looks like and decide on whether it's the right one for them.

      The sites stats for end of week 2:

      Product site - 44 uniques per day (-14 from last week)

      Health site - 38 uniques per day (0+ from last week)

      All of the linking that I have made to the product site is causing the site site to bounce around. This means that I have to keep up the velocity and the site should make it back into the top 3 or 2 back soon. It is a normal occurence when you start to give your site juice and is one of the reasons why many people are scared to touch any sites that are already making money.

      Do not get scared of making mistakes, it is the quickest way to success (well, if you learn from them that is).

      The health site received its first click that was in the $3+ range and that made me smile. After a while you learn to find motivation in the tiniest of successes even if you've been doing this for a whle. Since I know that the work I am doing now will pay off later it is the only thing to do to continue down the path without getting discouraged.

      In two weeks I will probably create a larger post showing how much these sites are making and point out any progress that can be seen even in such a short amount of time.

      Once again, guys, adsense and authority sites is not a way to overnight riches... overnight heart attack, maybe... but not riches.

      Tom
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      • Profile picture of the author JosephA
        You create a small site and it hits the first page, brings in some $$ and falls into oblivion.... now depending on how you react, it will either come back stronger or never be seen again. Sound familiar?


        Sounds very familiar Tom, particular the latter of the two
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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          I would be interested to know the effects of 'spam' blog comments on the Web 2.0 and if it has any any positive effects.
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        • Profile picture of the author apples2011
          Awesome challenge. I will be following this thread and wishing you well.

          When you made the 100 smaller sites did you find product style sites did best or health ones? Or perhaps even general info type sites?

          I would have thought product style sites best but maybe health is even better.
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      • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
        Originally Posted by Tom L View Post



        All of the linking that I have made to the product site is causing the site site to bounce around. This means that I have to keep up the velocity and the site should make it back into the top 3 or 2 back soon. It is a normal occurence when you start to give your site juice and is one of the reasons why many people are scared to touch any sites that are already making money.

        Do not get scared of making mistakes, it is the quickest way to success (well, if you learn from them that is).

        The health site received its first click that was in the $3+ range and that made me smile. After a while you learn to find motivation in the tiniest of successes even if you've been doing this for a whle. Since I know that the work I am doing now will pay off later it is the only thing to do to continue down the path without getting discouraged.


        Once again, guys, adsense and authority sites is not a way to overnight riches.

        Tom
        I have really enjoyed this thread. But here is a question for you and other warriors. If a site gets put into oblivian, But you still continue to build it up with quality links. Would it come back later after it aged awhile ? Would it be even a stronger site ? Kind like a fine wine aging? Since so many other sites that fell off the radar screen are abandoned.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by capone2009 View Post

      Do you get daily reports with Backlinks Genie? Good luck with your goal btw, great to see someone trying to build up a larger site instead of the micro approach.
      Backlinks Genie does have a daily report... i have checked them numerous times and all the links seem to be there.
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      • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
        Hi M.L,

        Can you explain me what is sitevaluestats.com?

        Thakns
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom L
          Originally Posted by tayuyaa View Post

          Hi M.L,

          Can you explain me what is sitevaluestats.com?

          Thakns
          Sure, there are certain websites which will give you the valuation of your money site. This will give you an idea of how much the site is worth or how much you can expect to get for it (most of it is nonsense and you will only get what people are willing to pay).

          With that said, when you enter the address of your site to get the valuation... the given site creates a page for it on their own domain.... which means a backlink for you.

          sitevaluestats.com simply hits up 150+ sites for you instead of having to do it manually. Since google will take a while to find these... it is okay to use the service without worrying about the sandbox.

          Hope that helps,

          Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom L
            Originally Posted by JosephA View Post

            Sounds very familiar Tom, particular the latter of the two
            I bet it does... happens to the best of us

            Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

            I would be interested to know the effects of 'spam' blog comments on the Web 2.0 and if it has any any positive effects.
            'spam' blog comments have a very good effect on Web 2.0 properties but they do even better mixed up with 'spam' article submissions and 'spam' profile links for variety.

            There is a threshold though that when hit, your sites will actually start to move back in rankings so you have to sort of feel it out.

            When used properly, your site can move forward 10+ pages within weeks.

            Originally Posted by apples2011 View Post

            Awesome challenge. I will be following this thread and wishing you well.

            When you made the 100 smaller sites did you find product style sites did best or health ones? Or perhaps even general info type sites?

            I would have thought product style sites best but maybe health is even better.
            This is a very good questions, in my experience, product sites do best when done as a niche site. Some swear by vocational sites as well, and this area I haven't really ventured into much.

            Health sites are much easier to turn into authority sites but the click-through-rate seems much lower for Adsense. Since they do offer a lot of potential to be used for CPA and other Affiliate products... it gives you much more opportunities to grow and monetize.

            Product sites are great, but might be problematic to grow over 100 quality pages. As you see, I emphasize quality as there are only so many things that you can say about a product. Once you get to topics such as "My cat also likes car tires" (I have seen this done) you are really starting to go off in a bad direction.

            Quick answer: Product sites


            Originally Posted by GeraldGigerl View Post

            Hey Tom!

            Great to see that you started with a challenge as well. I look forward hearing about your exact game plan and strategy on how to get this going!

            Best wishes,

            Gerald
            Gerald,

            Thanks a lot, glad that you are enjoying it. The game plan is ever changing so I will sum it up as the time goes by. Haven't seen your challenge yet... but will give it a look.

            Take Care

            Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

            I have really enjoyed this thread. But here is a question for you and other warriors. If a site gets put into oblivian, But you still continue to build it up with quality links. Would it come back later after it aged awhile ? Would it be even a stronger site ? Kind like a fine wine aging? Since so many other sites that fell off the radar screen are abandoned.
            Unless you get banned which can quickly be seen by typing in site:domain.com into google then you my friend are either dancing or in the sandbox.


            If you keep throwing quality links at the site... it will come back, but there have been instances where it takes a good couple months of linking to make that happen. Your patience and sanity will be tested. It will be a stronger site and yes it is like fine wine aging. There is a difference though between fine wine aging and fine wine aging in a proper environment and this makes a lot of difference later on.

            Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
            Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

            Sure, there are certain websites which will give you the valuation of your money site. This will give you an idea of how much the site is worth or how much you can expect to get for it (most of it is nonsense and you will only get what people are willing to pay).

            With that said, when you enter the address of your site to get the valuation... the given site creates a page for it on their own domain.... which means a backlink for you.

            sitevaluestats.com simply hits up 150+ sites for you instead of having to do it manually. Since google will take a while to find these... it is okay to use the service without worrying about the sandbox.

            Hope that helps,

            Tom
            Thanks a lot, I used it and it told me that my site worth $4k! LOL! But then 0

            Also Id like to congrats you by doing this challenge! Also I amazed that you build 100 sites at the beginning, it shows your determination, I'm nowhere near to you, but I hope to do so soon.

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom L
              Originally Posted by tayuyaa View Post

              Thanks a lot, I used it and it told me that my site worth $4k! LOL! But then 0

              Also Id like to congrats you by doing this challenge! Also I amazed that you build 100 sites at the beginning, it shows your determination, I'm nowhere near to you, but I hope to do so soon.

              Thanks
              Yes, it does that sometimes.... some of them give funny answers such as "Your site is worth three cheeseburgers."

              As to the 100 sites that I built, its probably even more now but I like to keep myself busy. I focused on expanding these three and have quite a few other projects in the works so that number doesn't seem as intimidating to me as it did before.

              One of the things that I can recommend is to keep testing and taking notes. Anytime you do something such as figuring out your backlinking strategy, finding money makers... always do it with multiple sites that fit the testing criteria. I like the number 5 or 10 as that shows you whether what you think is really working. A single site can be a hit or miss and it is impossible to take away any lessons (don't let anybody tell you different.)
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    Hey Tom!

    Great to see that you started with a challenge as well. I look forward hearing about your exact game plan and strategy on how to get this going!

    Best wishes,

    Gerald
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    This is very encouraging. I like your thread very much. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    This is a good lesson for newbies who like to start adsense. I will follow this

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Good read, Tom.

    We're in a similar boat as you, in that we've created 200+ smaller sites in the span of a few months. We're having success with those sites and have recently INCREASED production there, with a plan to get to 1,000 sites or so by the end of the year.

    As a side-side-project, :-) I plan to take a few of our mid-range sites and winners with the plan to expand them to authority sites as well and see if I can squeeze more value out of them.

    An important thing I'm taking from this thread is that it shouldn't be ALL about the $$ here...I think I would shoot myself in the head if I was doing all this for a site about something I don't care about...will make sure to pick sites that I have somewhat of an interest in for the test.

    Good on you for posting all of this here...it's a pain in the butt enough to do it, but documenting it can make it even worse! At least you're getting the feedback/encouragement...that helps, right?

    Best of luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Good read, Tom.

      We're in a similar boat as you, in that we've created 200+ smaller sites in the span of a few months. We're having success with those sites and have recently INCREASED production there, with a plan to get to 1,000 sites or so by the end of the year.

      As a side-side-project, :-) I plan to take a few of our mid-range sites and winners with the plan to expand them to authority sites as well and see if I can squeeze more value out of them.

      An important thing I'm taking from this thread is that it shouldn't be ALL about the $$ here...I think I would shoot myself in the head if I was doing all this for a site about something I don't care about...will make sure to pick sites that I have somewhat of an interest in for the test.

      Good on you for posting all of this here...it's a pain in the butt enough to do it, but documenting it can make it even worse! At least you're getting the feedback/encouragement...that helps, right?

      Best of luck!
      Although most people would congratulate you on this plan... I have considered it before as well. The drawbacks of maintaining and keeping a 1000 sites on life support seems to exceed the benefits.

      Some times I tend to get so caught up with work that I don't take the time to see if what I am doing is still making sense. A couple of months in the Internet World is like years offline.

      You could probably compare it to dog years.

      The comments and questions definitely help but I am really doing this as a thank you to some of the other people that I was able to learn from on here. Documenting is always a pain, but it has been one of the things that I did since the beginning and is very helpful in reverse engineering the successful sites.

      That is one of the main reasons how I have been able to improve and multiply my initial income in a very short time.

      Tom
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      • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
        Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

        Although most people would congratulate you on this plan... I have considered it before as well. The drawbacks of maintaining and keeping a 1000 sites on life support seems to exceed the benefits.

        Some times I tend to get so caught up with work that I don't take the time to see if what I am doing is still making sense. A couple of months in the Internet World is like years offline.

        You could probably compare it to dog years.

        The comments and questions definitely help but I am really doing this as a thank you to some of the other people that I was able to learn from on here. Documenting is always a pain, but it has been one of the things that I did since the beginning and is very helpful in reverse engineering the successful sites.

        That is one of the main reasons how I have been able to improve and multiply my initial income in a very short time.

        Tom
        Yes, Tom, one of the reasons I want to start expanding a few of the winners is so that our portfolio is not COMPLETELY based on a one-trick pony.

        That being said, there's no way I would give it up at this point. Why? Because it simply works. I've read other Niche >> Authority journeys and have seen it take a considerable amount of time to make that happen, if at all. At this point, my current method seems to be proven.

        You're right in that it would take quite a bit of time to maintain all of the sites. Luckily, I live in the Philippines and own an outsourcing company and am getting a team up and running to take care of most of this for me for very little cost.

        Have you considered continuing with the niche sites for the short-term cash? Would be quite a bit of work on your part to be dedicated to the authority sites AND building out niche sites though, of course...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom L
          Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

          Yes, Tom, one of the reasons I want to start expanding a few of the winners is so that our portfolio is not COMPLETELY based on a one-trick pony.

          That being said, there's no way I would give it up at this point. Why? Because it simply works. I've read other Niche >> Authority journeys and have seen it take a considerable amount of time to make that happen, if at all. At this point, my current method seems to be proven.

          You're right in that it would take quite a bit of time to maintain all of the sites. Luckily, I live in the Philippines and own an outsourcing company and am getting a team up and running to take care of most of this for me for very little cost.

          Have you considered continuing with the niche sites for the short-term cash? Would be quite a bit of work on your part to be dedicated to the authority sites AND building out niche sites though, of course...
          Although I am still going to do some additional niche sites... they are meant to get me a couple more contenders for larger sites and not really to make easy cash.

          It still takes those sites between 1-2 months to give me a return on the investment... the better ones sometimes take even 3 months as they take a bit to rank well.

          What I have noticed with the authority site model, is that one my main keyword is already ranked well... adding pages gets them ranked much quicker. The site needs to have some age as well.... minimum of 4-6 months.

          The product site has been giving me new highs (money wise) after only adding maybe 20 pages to it.

          I wouldn't have got that after a month with new niche sites.

          Also there was no need to do any heavy backlinking, purchasing and setting up domain, building new site.... etc.

          Google has done some reviews on my sites already and I have a feeling that when they find an account with a 1,000 mfa sites.... that will get shut down or get its sites de-indexed over night.

          My plan is to replace the weak performing Adsense sites with better performers that will actually make money. Not planning on renewing anything that doesn't have much potential... and this will also keep my number of sites reasonable so that I can maintain them properly and don't have to hire additional 10 people to do so.

          Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
            HiTom,

            How many times do you think it takes to reach 1k/month with micro niche?

            Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
    Thanks Tom, also I'd like to know if you do anything else than adsense? Or have you built your site only for adsense? I ask because my account has been banned while I had never made a single cent from adsense...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Originally Posted by tayuyaa View Post

      Thanks Tom, also I'd like to know if you do anything else than adsense? Or have you built your site only for adsense? I ask because my account has been banned while I had never made a single cent from adsense...
      Tayuyaa,

      I also mix up CPA offers and pay-per-install offers on some of my sites. The two I am working on here only contain Adsense at this moment.

      If I had a banned account, I would either set up another one under a corporation or go with Chikita.

      Do you know why they banned you?

      Hope that helps,

      Tom
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      • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
        Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

        Tayuyaa,



        If I had a banned account, I would either set up another one under a corporation or go with Chikita.

        Do you know why they banned you?

        Hope that helps,

        Tom
        Hi Tom,

        It was my third account ! One has been banned because one of my friend clicked on my ads, but the other ones without reason, well they say fraudulent clicks, but I had not a single click in them...but that's ok because I want to promote physical products via amazon and cj.com and CPA offers, I'm at the beginning but once I'm more confident I may try several stuff...

        Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
    Why do people say that the micro niche way is a short term business? I ask this because i have read people saying that there micro sites were up since years, and that nothing changed for them...so maybe sometimes you might expend few of them and update them a bit, but I dont think it's a "dangerous" way... also those who dont want to continue doing micro niche they can just borrow the cash they have made from them, and reinvest on other business such as ppc etc....
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    • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
      Originally Posted by tayuyaa View Post

      Why do people say that the micro niche way is a short term business? I ask this because i have read people saying that there micro sites were up since years, and that nothing changed for them...so maybe sometimes you might expend few of them and update them a bit, but I dont think it's a "dangerous" way... also those who dont want to continue doing micro niche they can just borrow the cash they have made from them, and reinvest on other business such as ppc etc....
      Speaking from my perspective...I do think of micro niche way as a short term business but not in the way you suspect, I gather.

      It's short-term in that it gives you a fairly quick return on your money. I can see a few dollars on a micro site in a few weeks...and I'm completely paid back within a few to several months. It may last years, but it's a quick turnaround on getting my investment back and starting to make a profit on the site.

      Authority sites, on the other hand, might show you a few bucks early, but the investment (time and money) is much higher and more front loaded. Lots of content to even launch the site, lots more to build authority, etc. With an authority site, if you want to rank for a keyword that's not in the domain but's related, it will take time until your site has the strength to start boosting the other pages and getting them ranked, whereas with a micro niche, if I want to target a new keyword...I just make a new site!

      Ultimately, the authority sites are better real estate to have. They tend to sell for more monthly revenue (if done right), have more use in a network of sites, etc. I'm MUCH rather have 15 sites making me 15k/month rather than 1,000 sites making me 15k/month...but it's more risk in sweat, blood, and tears to get started.
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      • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
        Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

        Speaking from my perspective...I do think of micro niche way as a short term business but not in the way you suspect, I gather.

        It's short-term in that it gives you a fairly quick return on your money. I can see a few dollars on a micro site in a few weeks...and I'm completely paid back within a few to several months. It may last years, but it's a quick turnaround on getting my investment back and starting to make a profit on the site.

        Authority sites, on the other hand, might show you a few bucks early, but the investment (time and money) is much higher and more front loaded. Lots of content to even launch the site, lots more to build authority, etc. With an authority site, if you want to rank for a keyword that's not in the domain but's related, it will take time until your site has the strength to start boosting the other pages and getting them ranked, whereas with a micro niche, if I want to target a new keyword...I just make a new site!

        Ultimately, the authority sites are better real estate to have. They tend to sell for more monthly revenue (if done right), have more use in a network of sites, etc. I'm MUCH rather have 15 sites making me 15k/month rather than 1,000 sites making me 15k/month...but it's more risk in sweat, blood, and tears to get started.
        I think I agree with you...In fact i think that as a newbie you should start by micro niche then expanding to authority once you have the time and the money to do so. Thanks for your explication.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    Long posts but worth reading! This is definitely a good way to teach people on how to earn themselves. I just passed by someone who wants to earn from blogging, I think he can start reading here.

    Andrea
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    • Profile picture of the author purplemoonlight
      Great post, thank you for day to day reports that make me feel not alone...

      will make my own challenge soon..
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
        An internet angel must have guided me to this thread.

        I have several small sites that I haven't worked on for a long time. Due to family pressures and feeling that I was at a dead end, I've let things slide.

        This great thread is providing the detailed information and fresh inspiration that I've sorely needed.

        My only problem is that I feel guilty for getting all this good stuff for free!

        Thanks so much, Tom L.


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