black hat seo techniques

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Do any one still following black hat seo techniques for website promotion
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
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  • Profile picture of the author hisham88
    can you list what are the examples of black hat seo? does xrumer related to it as well?
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    I would not mess with Black Hat techniques. You may see traffic in the short term, but when caught (note I don't say if) you will be banned and lose all traffic. The short term gains are rarely worth it.
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    • Profile picture of the author onemind
      Now you know that's HorseSh-- HorseStall! Don't spread misinformation to people please! There is NO way you could be banned by any SE for blackhatting, if there was then everyone would BH their competition.

      You only get banned for on page bad things like CS'ing and CJ'ing.

      I know this is a WH forum, but please don't be "that guy"...

      Originally Posted by HorseStall View Post

      I would not mess with Black Hat techniques. You may see traffic in the short term, but when caught (note I don't say if) you will be banned and lose all traffic. The short term gains are rarely worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author goldhome
    Blackhat is not good to be done. You can follow the manual link building techniques and get ranked high.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Salfen
    At least put the words together so I can get a giggle out of BlueFart.
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  • Profile picture of the author rhrayan
    Unethical use of SEO techniques
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnyhardbaked
    Black hat is the reason why there were sites that have been penalized by Google. I don't have to explain this whole thing to you, I just want to remind you if you don't want to get your site busted, never ever dare to do this unethical thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    not sure what's funnier, the obvious sarcasm posts, or the warriors who think they are doing something good by reprimanding an xrumer bot about the dangers of black hat techniques

    edit: guess I got my sig in here too!
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  • Profile picture of the author Justinpage
    I don't do black hat techniques. I just follow search engine's standards in promoting my site. But I think there are still people who are doing these unethical methods in promoting their site.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by Justinpage View Post

      I don't do black hat techniques. I just follow search engine's standards in promoting my site. But I think there are still people who are doing this unethical methods in promoting their site.
      So adding your link to your sig file isn't black hat then? It's an artificial attempt to fool Google in to believing that someone else is linking to your site other than yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
        This brings up a question I wanted to ask. I'm a newbie here so admittedly I have not had time to know all these things but I am putting in time and studying...

        So what exactly is considered "black hat"? What will get you slapped by google and what won't?

        It's funny but I read a lot of stuff about internet marketing before coming here and they led me to believe that getting a lot of back links at unrelated sites (such as in link exchanges) would get me slapped by google. So I did not do it and my site suffered in obscurity.

        So now I realize that "any back link is a good thing" (right?) and am beginning to use some of the same techniques that my competitors have no doubt been using for years to get high up on google.

        So I'd appreciate you experts' opinions: What is black hat and what is not? What will get you slapped and what will not? I see that many SEO types are offering thousands or hundreds of back-links, blog articles, social network posts, social network bookmarks, etc. etc. Apparently these are not considered "black hat". So then what IS considered "black hat"? I would love to know because I don't want to do the wrong thing as I attempt to do the right thing in promoting my sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author pdrs
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        So adding your link to your sig file isn't black hat then? It's an artificial attempt to fool Google in to believing that someone else is linking to your site other than yourself.
        I disagree with this.

        Using a bot to automatically register for a forum and post a link yes. Using scrapebox to automatically post links yes. Using a blog network to artificially gain links yes. - all BlueFart.

        But there is absolutely nothing wrong with promoting your site on other websites if you're a contributing member (i'm not sure if that guy is or not, it's your premise I'm arguing). Blog posts/forum posts/hubpages/etc... are designed to be social, thats the whole point. And if a forum allows a signature link, then I don't see it as trying to fool anyone.

        (BTW - The OP is obviously an xRumer bot/spammer of some sort - and this thread has actually generated good user discussion... BlueFart? hmm...)
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

          I disagree with this.

          Using a bot to automatically register for a forum and post a link yes. Using scrapebox to automatically post links yes. Using a blog network to artificially gain links yes. - all BlueFart.

          But there is absolutely nothing wrong with promoting your site on other websites if you're a contributing member (i'm not sure if that guy is or not, it's your premise I'm arguing). Blog posts/forum posts/hubpages/etc... are designed to be social, thats the whole point. And if a forum allows a signature link, then I don't see it as trying to fool anyone.
          Listen I run a super successful backlinking business so you're preaching to the choir with what you're saying. But truth be told most folks who think they are "white marketers" are straight up blue farters like the rest of us.
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          • Profile picture of the author pdrs
            Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            Listen I run a super successful backlinking business so you're preaching to the choir with what you're saying. But truth be told most folks who think they are "white marketers" are straight up blue farters like the rest of us.
            Oh man, no arguments about that from me!

            I run a writing business and a lot of these so called "white marketers" are also quite happy to put up poorly (re)written PLR crap and call it "quality unique content" too

            Like whores in church as my grandfather would say
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    In all honesty any technique that is not centered on link bait could be considered black hat. So in Google's eyes white hat = link bait.
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    • Profile picture of the author Torreylee
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      In all honesty any technique that is not centered on link bait could be considered black hat. So in Google's eyes white hat = link bait.
      Exactly. Almost everyone here with a websites is technically "Blackhat" by it's pure definition... What....ever....:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    According to Google, even many of the things we consider to be "white hat" are actually black hat.

    I try not to delve too far into the BH SEO stuff. Sure, if you're looking to make a quick buck here and there, there are definitely techniques that work. But don't expect your site to stay under the radar for too long.

    Instead, I try to live in the middle. I guess you'd call it "grey hat." I use automated tools from time to time. But in moderation.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    There is no great hat though. Either you use link bait or you don't.
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  • Profile picture of the author App Developers
    Interesting , as I have often wondered where does the line lie for white hat verses black hat! Most of the high and mighty might want to take the signature links off when they comment before preaching.....
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I grabbed 1000 page one rankings for Warriors last year and have already grabbed another 800 this year. We do this by spinning plr articles and submitting them to our blog network of 2000 sites. So I guess you could say I have blue fart juice up to my elbows.
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    • Profile picture of the author pdrs
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      I grabbed 1000 page one rankings for Warriors last year and have already grabbed another 800 this year. We do this by spinning plr articles and submitting them to our blog network of 2000 sites. So I guess you could say I have blue fart juice up to my elbows.
      You sir, are an excellent BlueFarter congrats on the rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    There is an incredible amount of link juice available from posting spun plr articles with backlinks embedded on them. But most folks never get a chance to find that out because they get caught up in the endless seo debating bull**** that is floating around the Internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
      The OP has managed to turn a pretty poor attempt at a spun xrumer generated post into another 'you will get your head chopped off and your family kidnapped' if you use black hat seo nitro annihilation techniques. Made my day.
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    the irony of this post has made my day as well
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  • Profile picture of the author smartyjohn
    list some techniques of black hat seo. but i think this is not good for your website if google cought you definitely he penalized you.
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  • Profile picture of the author anusales
    Hidden text, keyword stuffing - all are related to black hat issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoservices1
    Hi

    Hidden text, keyword stuffing - all are related to black hat issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author machej
    Be careful you could get penalized. :S
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    • Profile picture of the author brookeswebs
      Hey guys , you should not think even about this otherwise.........you will be punished by the .............Google.

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  • Profile picture of the author webjedi
    Black hat done right is fine.
    It's the spamming part of black hat that is terrible.

    What organization was quoted as saying there is a million pages of spam an hour on the Internet?

    I got to find that study again.

    wj
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    • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
      As a newbie to SEO trying to sort this stuff out, sometimes it's difficult here to sort the straight answers from the sarcasm.

      So am I right when I deduce that creating backlinks by whatever method is not really "black hat" but hiding text and keyword stuffing can get one in trouble? Is that the gist of it?

      And what divides "keyword stuffing" from "using a lot of keywords"? Not sure of the definition of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
      Originally Posted by northseo View Post

      Hey me google that for you here is something that will help clear back hat seo up
      Let me google that for you(i have no affialtion with this website and am not trying to promote it)
      If that was meant for me, thanks.

      I have read a lot and have found that google links are not always the best place to learn what is good SEO and what isn't. In fact I've got a lot of purely wrong info from the net and books. That's why I am asking the experts HERE.
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  • Profile picture of the author itchair
    Here are some SEO black hat techniques:

    Hidden text
    IP delivery
    301 redirects
    Throw Away Domains
    Cloaking
    Paid links
    Keyword stuffing
    Automatically generated keyword pages
    Mispsellings
    Scraping
    Ad only pages
    Blog spam
    Duplicate content on multiple domains
    Domain grabbing
    Fake news
    Link farm
    New exploits
    Brand jacking
    Rogue bots
    Hidden affiliate links
    Doorway pages
    Multiple subdomains
    Twitter automation
    Deceptive headlines
    Google Bowling
    Invisible links
    Different content for search engines than users
    Hacking sites
    Slander linkbait
    Map spam

    Most black hat SEO techniques can be used in a clean, ethical white hat way as well...
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    • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
      Originally Posted by itchair View Post

      Here are some SEO black hat techniques:

      Hidden text
      IP delivery
      301 redirects
      Throw Away Domains
      Cloaking
      Paid links
      Keyword stuffing
      Automatically generated keyword pages
      Mispsellings
      Scraping
      Ad only pages
      Blog spam
      Duplicate content on multiple domains
      Domain grabbing
      Fake news
      Link farm
      New exploits
      Brand jacking
      Rogue bots
      Hidden affiliate links
      Doorway pages
      Multiple subdomains
      Twitter automation
      Deceptive headlines
      Google Bowling
      Invisible links
      Different content for search engines than users
      Hacking sites
      Slander linkbait
      Map spam

      Most black hat SEO techniques can be used in a clean, ethical white hat way as well...
      Great. Now: what do all those mean?! And how are they used white hat style? :confused:
      I have a lot of reading to do!
      "Google Bowling"?!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerald Arno
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    There is always a big misconception of black hat seo techniques. How do you define the difference between black hat and white hat? That should be the question. Opening multiple fakes account at one site and dropping your link is BLACK HAT.

    White hat would be to simply open one account and drop only backlinks for one site and leave it that way. Commeting multiple times on other peopleĀ“s blog with useless iniformation and this just to get backlinks is black hat too.
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    what is black hat techniqe
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  • Profile picture of the author rosesmark
    Black Hat SEO uses unethical ways just to get back links. They don't follow the rules and regulations. Here are some of the techniques that falls under Black Hat SEO:

    1. Cloaking
    2. Spamming
    3. Door-way pages
    4. Keyword stuffing
    5. Invisible or hidden text
    6. Link farms
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    • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
      Originally Posted by rosesmark View Post

      Black Hat SEO uses unethical ways just to get back links. They don't follow the rules and regulations. Here are some of the techniques that falls under Black Hat SEO:

      1. Cloaking
      2. Spamming
      3. Door-way pages
      4. Keyword stuffing
      5. Invisible or hidden text
      6. Link farms
      Thanks for this answer.
      This is one of the things I am most confused about: Link farms.
      As I understand it, a link farm is a page that just has a bunch of links, where people trade links or pay to get a link there, which google then counts as a backlink, which helps rank your site. Do I have that right?

      Okay, so when I first started reading about SEO I read that this was "black hat" and google would punish you for it.

      But then I read various sites and I found that many people are doing this and if anything it seems to help their google ranking, not hurt it. In fact some here on this forum seem to be making a living off of providing this service unless I misunderstand what they are doing...

      And a friend of mine has #1 google ranking and when I check her backlinks the majority of them are not related at all to her site, they are what I believe would be called "link farms".

      So you can perhaps understand my confusion. Link farms seem to be called black hat, yet they seem to be a very good way to get #1 google ranking. So is my friend just "lucky" google has not slapped her for this link farm backlink scheme? Or is this really "white hat" and there is no risk of being slapped for it? Or is it "gray hat" but without risk of being google-slapped?
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  • Profile picture of the author guest
    That's a good list itchair -- but two things are wrong..

    Hidden text / hidden links -- these cannot be blackhat - because most modern sites (or 2.0 sites) have hidden content, that is only shown when a user requests it. Most major news sites have tabs where you can select what you want to see.

    It used to be said that CSS invisible was an instant bh technique. Now it's everyday stuff. Either google has updated to allow it
    - or it never hated it in the first place. I'm sure alot bh stuff works - and is just guess work and myth that google drops your site because of it.

    Buying paid links / spamming sites / submitting your site to 10000s of directories, duplicate content -- I doubt google would drop a site for any of these reasons -- why? Because anyone could do any of these things to a competitors site and just knock them off google.
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  • Profile picture of the author edricwage
    According to what I have searched, the top 5 black hat SEO techniques are:

    • Hidden content
    • Meta Keyword Stuffing
    • Meta Description
    • Gateway Pages
    • Link Farming
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Many webmasters, even ones here use BH techniques but deny it. Many SEO companies use BH techniques. Their effectiveness of most BH techniques taper quickly as many are targeted and ultimately rendered ineffective by SE Algo engineers, which is fine with me. But there are some that still work quite well.

    Do yourself a favor. Focus on adding high-quality unique content to your site and you will benefit the most...in time.
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    • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      Many webmasters, even ones here use BH techniques but deny it. Many SEO companies use BH techniques. Their effectiveness of most BH techniques taper quickly as many are targeted and ultimately rendered ineffective by SE Algo engineers, which is fine with me. But there are some that still work quite well.

      Do yourself a favor. Focus on adding high-quality unique content to your site and you will benefit the most...in time.
      I disagree with this and in fact think it is very harmful advice. Maybe it depends on what kind of site one has...

      I have a real estate site for example, and I followed the advice you give here for years. I kept adding valuable content to my site, making my site nice looking, informative and making sure all the links work etc. etc.. I got some ranking but mostly NOT on first page.

      I now believe - from experience and observation - that things like link farms and other "black hat" methods are what works and unless you have a fortune to put into advertising you'd better use some of these black or grey-hat techniques because everyone else is and they'll leave you in the dust. As for google punishing you for using link farms for backlinks, I have checked my competitors and they're using link farms and they've been on page one of google for ages with no punishment.
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  • Profile picture of the author ascanda
    Black hat SEO is not a good strategy to promote a site. Please dont follow that.
    cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
    Originally Posted by jessyjose123 View Post

    Hi,

    Do any one still following black hat seo techniques for website promotion

    This forum is focused on whitehat techniques. I can assure you, as well, that blackhat techniques are not working as well as they used to (Panda update, and Farmer update). You're better off just sticking to white hat seo. It always wins in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author camthomas
    Wow as a fairly newbie to SEO, i feel baffled now lol

    Blackhat,grayhat,whitehat.

    Keyword stuffing in meta tags and description, what do you mean?

    is that only having the one keyword in the meat tags or somthing?

    i try and read as much as i can and get advice from warriors on here, i just try and pick a low comp keyword with good search volume get EMD, and try and do good onpage SEO and then get some backlinks.

    Like most people said on here that some of mine are probs what you would call gray or black hat, i don't use automated tools.
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  • Profile picture of the author strategic seo services
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    Using Black Hat techniques ON your website will hurt your rankings. However, using black hat techniques for off page optimization Will Not.
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