black hat seo techniques

I would not mess with Black Hat techniques. You may see traffic in the short term, but when caught (note I don't say if) you will be banned and lose all traffic. The short term gains are rarely worth it.

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onemind

16 years ago

Now you know that's HorseSh-- HorseStall! Don't spread misinformation to people please! There is NO way you could be banned by any SE for blackhatting, if there was then everyone would BH their competition.

You only get banned for on page bad things like CS'ing and CJ'ing.

I know this is a WH forum, but please don't be "that guy"...

Originally Posted by HorseStall

I would not mess with Black Hat techniques. You may see traffic in the short term, but when caught (note I don't say if) you will be banned and lose all traffic. The short term gains are rarely worth it.

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goldhome

16 years ago

Blackhat is not good to be done. You can follow the manual link building techniques and get ranked high.

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Derek Salfen

16 years ago

At least put the words together so I can get a giggle out of BlueFart.

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rhrayan

16 years ago

Unethical use of SEO techniques

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jonnyhardbaked

16 years ago

Black hat is the reason why there were sites that have been penalized by Google. I don't have to explain this whole thing to you, I just want to remind you if you don't want to get your site busted, never ever dare to do this unethical thing.

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pdrs

16 years ago

not sure what's funnier, the obvious sarcasm posts, or the warriors who think they are doing something good by reprimanding an xrumer bot about the dangers of black hat techniques

edit: guess I got my sig in here too!

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Justinpage

16 years ago

I don't do black hat techniques. I just follow search engine's standards in promoting my site. But I think there are still people who are doing these unethical methods in promoting their site.

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laurarussell49 16 years ago

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mattlaclear

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Justinpage

I don't do black hat techniques. I just follow search engine's standards in promoting my site. But I think there are still people who are doing this unethical methods in promoting their site.

So adding your link to your sig file isn't black hat then? It's an artificial attempt to fool Google in to believing that someone else is linking to your site other than yourself.

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seosoldier 16 years ago

This brings up a question I wanted to ask. I'm a newbie here so admittedly I have not had time to know all these things but I am putting in time and studying...

So what exactly is considered "black hat"? What will get you slapped by google and what won't?

It's funny but I read a lot of stuff about internet marketing before coming here and they led me to believe that getting a lot of back links at unrelated sites (such as in link exchanges) would get me slapped by google. So I did not do it and my site suffered in obscurity.

So now I realize that "any back link is a good thing" (right?) and am beginning to use some of the same techniques that my competitors have no doubt been using for years to get high up on google.

So I'd appreciate you experts' opinions: What is black hat and what is not? What will get you slapped and what will not? I see that many SEO types are offering thousands or hundreds of back-links, blog articles, social network posts, social network bookmarks, etc. etc. Apparently these are not considered "black hat". So then what IS considered "black hat"? I would love to know because I don't want to do the wrong thing as I attempt to do the right thing in promoting my sites.
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pdrs

16 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

So adding your link to your sig file isn't black hat then? It's an artificial attempt to fool Google in to believing that someone else is linking to your site other than yourself.

I disagree with this.

Using a bot to automatically register for a forum and post a link yes. Using scrapebox to automatically post links yes. Using a blog network to artificially gain links yes. - all BlueFart.

But there is absolutely nothing wrong with promoting your site on other websites if you're a contributing member (i'm not sure if that guy is or not, it's your premise I'm arguing). Blog posts/forum posts/hubpages/etc... are designed to be social, thats the whole point. And if a forum allows a signature link, then I don't see it as trying to fool anyone.

(BTW - The OP is obviously an xRumer bot/spammer of some sort - and this thread has actually generated good user discussion... BlueFart? hmm...)

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mattlaclear

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pdrs

I disagree with this.

Using a bot to automatically register for a forum and post a link yes. Using scrapebox to automatically post links yes. Using a blog network to artificially gain links yes. - all BlueFart.

But there is absolutely nothing wrong with promoting your site on other websites if you're a contributing member (i'm not sure if that guy is or not, it's your premise I'm arguing). Blog posts/forum posts/hubpages/etc... are designed to be social, thats the whole point. And if a forum allows a signature link, then I don't see it as trying to fool anyone.

Listen I run a super successful backlinking business so you're preaching to the choir with what you're saying. But truth be told most folks who think they are "white marketers" are straight up blue farters like the rest of us.

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pdrs

16 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Listen I run a super successful backlinking business so you're preaching to the choir with what you're saying. But truth be told most folks who think they are "white marketers" are straight up blue farters like the rest of us.

Oh man, no arguments about that from me!

I run a writing business and a lot of these so called "white marketers" are also quite happy to put up poorly (re)written PLR crap and call it "quality unique content" too

Like whores in church as my grandfather would say

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mattlaclear

16 years ago

In all honesty any technique that is not centered on link bait could be considered black hat. So in Google's eyes white hat = link bait.

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Torreylee 16 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

In all honesty any technique that is not centered on link bait could be considered black hat. So in Google's eyes white hat = link bait.

Exactly. Almost everyone here with a websites is technically "Blackhat" by it's pure definition... What....ever....:rolleyes:
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JSProjects

16 years ago

According to Google, even many of the things we consider to be "white hat" are actually black hat.

I try not to delve too far into the BH SEO stuff. Sure, if you're looking to make a quick buck here and there, there are definitely techniques that work. But don't expect your site to stay under the radar for too long.

Instead, I try to live in the middle. I guess you'd call it "grey hat." I use automated tools from time to time. But in moderation.

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mattlaclear

16 years ago

There is no great hat though. Either you use link bait or you don't.

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App Developers

16 years ago

Interesting , as I have often wondered where does the line lie for white hat verses black hat! Most of the high and mighty might want to take the signature links off when they comment before preaching.....

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mattlaclear

16 years ago

I grabbed 1000 page one rankings for Warriors last year and have already grabbed another 800 this year. We do this by spinning plr articles and submitting them to our blog network of 2000 sites. So I guess you could say I have blue fart juice up to my elbows.

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pdrs

16 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I grabbed 1000 page one rankings for Warriors last year and have already grabbed another 800 this year. We do this by spinning plr articles and submitting them to our blog network of 2000 sites. So I guess you could say I have blue fart juice up to my elbows.

You sir, are an excellent BlueFarter

congrats on the rankings.

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mattlaclear

16 years ago

There is an incredible amount of link juice available from posting spun plr articles with backlinks embedded on them. But most folks never get a chance to find that out because they get caught up in the endless seo debating bull**** that is floating around the Internet.

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Chris Sorrell 16 years ago

The OP has managed to turn a pretty poor attempt at a spun xrumer generated post into another 'you will get your head chopped off and your family kidnapped' if you use black hat seo nitro annihilation techniques. Made my day.
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pdrs

16 years ago

the irony of this post has made my day as well

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smartyjohn

16 years ago

list some techniques of black hat seo. but i think this is not good for your website if google cought you definitely he penalized you.

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anusales

16 years ago

Hidden text, keyword stuffing - all are related to black hat issue.

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seoservices1

16 years ago

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Hidden text, keyword stuffing - all are related to black hat issue.

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machej

16 years ago

Be careful you could get penalized. :S

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brookeswebs 16 years ago

Hey guys , you should not think even about this otherwise.........you will be punished by the .............Google.
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webjedi

16 years ago

Black hat done right is fine.
It's the spamming part of black hat that is terrible.

What organization was quoted as saying there is a million pages of spam an hour on the Internet?

I got to find that study again.

wj

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seosoldier 16 years ago

As a newbie to SEO trying to sort this stuff out, sometimes it's difficult here to sort the straight answers from the sarcasm.

So am I right when I deduce that creating backlinks by whatever method is not really "black hat" but hiding text and keyword stuffing can get one in trouble? Is that the gist of it?

And what divides "keyword stuffing" from "using a lot of keywords"? Not sure of the definition of that.
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seosoldier

16 years ago

Originally Posted by northseo

Hey me google that for you here is something that will help clear back hat seo up
Let me google that for you(i have no affialtion with this website and am not trying to promote it)

If that was meant for me, thanks.

I have read a lot and have found that google links are not always the best place to learn what is good SEO and what isn't. In fact I've got a lot of purely wrong info from the net and books. That's why I am asking the experts HERE.

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itchair

16 years ago

Here are some SEO black hat techniques:

Hidden text
IP delivery
301 redirects
Throw Away Domains
Cloaking
Paid links
Keyword stuffing
Automatically generated keyword pages
Mispsellings
Scraping
Ad only pages
Blog spam
Duplicate content on multiple domains
Domain grabbing
Fake news
Link farm
New exploits
Brand jacking
Rogue bots
Hidden affiliate links
Doorway pages
Multiple subdomains
Twitter automation
Deceptive headlines
Google Bowling
Invisible links
Different content for search engines than users
Hacking sites
Slander linkbait
Map spam

Most black hat SEO techniques can be used in a clean, ethical white hat way as well...

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seosoldier

16 years ago

Originally Posted by itchair

Here are some SEO black hat techniques:

Hidden text
IP delivery
301 redirects
Throw Away Domains
Cloaking
Paid links
Keyword stuffing
Automatically generated keyword pages
Mispsellings
Scraping
Ad only pages
Blog spam
Duplicate content on multiple domains
Domain grabbing
Fake news
Link farm
New exploits
Brand jacking
Rogue bots
Hidden affiliate links
Doorway pages
Multiple subdomains
Twitter automation
Deceptive headlines
Google Bowling
Invisible links
Different content for search engines than users
Hacking sites
Slander linkbait
Map spam

Most black hat SEO techniques can be used in a clean, ethical white hat way as well...

Great. Now: what do all those mean?! And how are they used white hat style? :confused:
I have a lot of reading to do!

"Google Bowling"?!

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Gerald Arno

Banned 16 years ago

There is always a big misconception of black hat seo techniques. How do you define the difference between black hat and white hat? That should be the question. Opening multiple fakes account at one site and dropping your link is BLACK HAT.

White hat would be to simply open one account and drop only backlinks for one site and leave it that way. Commeting multiple times on other people´s blog with useless iniformation and this just to get backlinks is black hat too.

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sarvesh2

16 years ago

what is black hat techniqe

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rosesmark

16 years ago

Black Hat SEO uses unethical ways just to get back links. They don't follow the rules and regulations. Here are some of the techniques that falls under Black Hat SEO:

1. Cloaking
2. Spamming
3. Door-way pages
4. Keyword stuffing
5. Invisible or hidden text
6. Link farms

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seosoldier

16 years ago

Originally Posted by rosesmark

Black Hat SEO uses unethical ways just to get back links. They don't follow the rules and regulations. Here are some of the techniques that falls under Black Hat SEO:

1. Cloaking
2. Spamming
3. Door-way pages
4. Keyword stuffing
5. Invisible or hidden text
6. Link farms

Thanks for this answer.
This is one of the things I am most confused about: Link farms.
As I understand it, a link farm is a page that just has a bunch of links, where people trade links or pay to get a link there, which google then counts as a backlink, which helps rank your site. Do I have that right?

Okay, so when I first started reading about SEO I read that this was "black hat" and google would punish you for it.

But then I read various sites and I found that many people are doing this and if anything it seems to help their google ranking, not hurt it. In fact some here on this forum seem to be making a living off of providing this service unless I misunderstand what they are doing...

And a friend of mine has #1 google ranking and when I check her backlinks the majority of them are not related at all to her site, they are what I believe would be called "link farms".

So you can perhaps understand my confusion. Link farms seem to be called black hat, yet they seem to be a very good way to get #1 google ranking. So is my friend just "lucky" google has not slapped her for this link farm backlink scheme? Or is this really "white hat" and there is no risk of being slapped for it? Or is it "gray hat" but without risk of being google-slapped?
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guest

16 years ago

That's a good list itchair -- but two things are wrong..

Hidden text / hidden links -- these cannot be blackhat - because most modern sites (or 2.0 sites) have hidden content, that is only shown when a user requests it. Most major news sites have tabs where you can select what you want to see.

It used to be said that CSS invisible was an instant bh technique. Now it's everyday stuff. Either google has updated to allow it
- or it never hated it in the first place. I'm sure alot bh stuff works - and is just guess work and myth that google drops your site because of it.

Buying paid links / spamming sites / submitting your site to 10000s of directories, duplicate content -- I doubt google would drop a site for any of these reasons -- why? Because anyone could do any of these things to a competitors site and just knock them off google.

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edricwage

16 years ago

According to what I have searched, the top 5 black hat SEO techniques are:

• Hidden content
• Meta Keyword Stuffing
• Meta Description
• Gateway Pages
• Link Farming

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thebitbotdotcom

16 years ago

Many webmasters, even ones here use BH techniques but deny it. Many SEO companies use BH techniques. Their effectiveness of most BH techniques taper quickly as many are targeted and ultimately rendered ineffective by SE Algo engineers, which is fine with me. But there are some that still work quite well.

Do yourself a favor. Focus on adding high-quality unique content to your site and you will benefit the most...in time.

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seosoldier

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom

Many webmasters, even ones here use BH techniques but deny it. Many SEO companies use BH techniques. Their effectiveness of most BH techniques taper quickly as many are targeted and ultimately rendered ineffective by SE Algo engineers, which is fine with me. But there are some that still work quite well.

Do yourself a favor. Focus on adding high-quality unique content to your site and you will benefit the most...in time.

I disagree with this and in fact think it is very harmful advice. Maybe it depends on what kind of site one has...

I have a real estate site for example, and I followed the advice you give here for years. I kept adding valuable content to my site, making my site nice looking, informative and making sure all the links work etc. etc.. I got some ranking but mostly NOT on first page.

I now believe - from experience and observation - that things like link farms and other "black hat" methods are what works and unless you have a fortune to put into advertising you'd better use some of these black or grey-hat techniques because everyone else is and they'll leave you in the dust. As for google punishing you for using link farms for backlinks, I have checked my competitors and they're using link farms and they've been on page one of google for ages with no punishment.

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ascanda

16 years ago

Black hat SEO is not a good strategy to promote a site. Please dont follow that.
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blueorca17

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jessyjose123

Hi,

Do any one still following black hat seo techniques for website promotion

This forum is focused on whitehat techniques. I can assure you, as well, that blackhat techniques are not working as well as they used to (Panda update, and Farmer update). You're better off just sticking to white hat seo. It always wins in the end.

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camthomas

15 years ago

Wow as a fairly newbie to SEO, i feel baffled now lol

Blackhat,grayhat,whitehat.

Keyword stuffing in meta tags and description, what do you mean?

is that only having the one keyword in the meat tags or somthing?

i try and read as much as i can and get advice from warriors on here, i just try and pick a low comp keyword with good search volume get EMD, and try and do good onpage SEO and then get some backlinks.

Like most people said on here that some of mine are probs what you would call gray or black hat, i don't use automated tools.

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15 years ago

Using Black Hat techniques ON your website will hurt your rankings. However, using black hat techniques for off page optimization Will Not.

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