I think the information given on this site is BS

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I started reading this site about 5 months ago when I started up my new website. I am NOT a marketer. I run a website that does not try to scam people into buying crap. I solely rely on traffic to make money through 3rd party cpm/cpc banner networks.

I have done the whole yada yada yada and bought many different services advertised on this website and I am sorry to say that I think they are all BS.

I think 95% of the information that I have read on this website is nothing more than hot air BS.

To me a lot of the info and products that are featured on this site sounds like someone just loves to hear himself talk by writing insanely long marketing fluff.

First off, my site is receiving appox 55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month and around 200,000 page views per month. It is not a big site and I am not claiming that it is.

In six months we are ranked in the 112,000 Quantcast and 117,000 Alexa. In other words we are slowly growing.

Since beginning to read this forum I have purchased several back linking packages. I have purchased a few article submission services. I have purchased several other packages.

Going into the 7th month of my website in operation.... I am still a Page Rank of ZERO. I have a whopping 113 backlinks.

I am using WordPress Plugins for SEO. I have a damn good site with over 6,000 pages

What's the deal???

thanks.. I actually love WF but damn, I am so frustrated
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

    I actually love WF but damn, I am so frustrated
    You LOVE it? That would be news, indeed!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    The deal is you obviously being ignorant of SEO yet trying to pass judgment on SEO services and SEO information.

    It's evident by you chasing PR. I've no idea what a "Wordpress Plugins for SEO" has to do with your rant, care to explain.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek S
      Few red flags jump out in your post to me. The first being you ranting over a site that gets "55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month" with the site itself only having "a whopping 113 backlinks" you must be ranking for some very traffic intense, VERY long tail keywords... That is if in fact you're telling the truth about your websites results.

      That kind of traffic should easily be bringing in a better than full time income for you. With some split testing of ad placement you could easily boost your profits by 30% AT LEAST!

      The problem you are having with WSO's is common and an easy fix. Don't buy because of the marketing, buy because of the person selling. You want non "BS" information, buy information from the authorities on the subject you need help in. Joel Comm is probably the best place to start when it comes to adsense.

      I think you feel that this business should be easy LOL... big mistake. It takes years of hard work to make the money you dream about making over night - Just like any other business out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author sublimedrive
    Pretty funny how you mention this site is mostly BS but then you go on to say how much you love this site.

    I think you just love BS and now are contributing to it.

    But thanks it was funny to read.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Why do you even care about your PR if you're getting visitors? I DO have a pr0 that has been that way since I registered the domain in september...that is a site that gets more traffic, and I make more money off of, than a PR6.

    Soo... you only have 100 something backlinks? Maybe you need to focus on higher quality backlinks, or maybe hire a professional SEO firm or individual to help you get results. Results aren't judged by PR though, in fact, you will be lucky to even have it updated again in 2011.. LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author brianboyer
    Interesting for someone to go on a huge complaining rant and trying to lay on some guilt........then says I love this site. I don't see why anyone would want to help you. I can understand being frustrated and not making money but to vent out and blame the forum is just ridiculous.

    It sounds like you bought a lot of "stuff" from people and didn't achieve great success quickly so you are upset. Websites and online success take time and they definitely require a lot of hard work and passion. You just need to figure that out and start to slowly get back into reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author CrimsonTide
      I am not saying that everybody here is a scumbag. I am just saying that a lot of the stuff on this site is BS

      I bought back linking services 3 months ago... why is it that I only have Under 200 back links? (accounting to Yahoo site explorer and google)
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

        I am just saying that a lot of the stuff on this site is BS

        I bought back linking services 3 months ago... why is it that I only have Under 200 back links? (accounting to Yahoo site explorer and google)
        Just maybe you should ask the person providing the service rather than going of and getting your panties in a knot and blaming the entire forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author robfrancis
        Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

        I am not saying that everybody here is a scumbag. I am just saying that a lot of the stuff on this site is BS

        I bought back linking services 3 months ago... why is it that I only have Under 200 back links? (accounting to Yahoo site explorer and google)
        I'll keep this polite. You are frustrated due to a seemingly lack of SEO results, right? At some point in time, pretty much all of of us here have been. SEO takes time. There are lots of factors to be taken into consideration including the speed and frequency that backlinks are added (organic growth) as well as the relevancy (are the links coming from on-topic sites).

        You also mention that you are only seeing x number of backlinks in Google and Yahoo but it doesn't take a lot of hunting around in SEO forums to know that the PR is an estimate or indication only and the same for the backlinks. We are only shown an estimate not every single backlink. Typing link:yoursite.com in Google is a good estimate of backlinks but it may be more appropriate seeing how you are ranking for particular keyword phrases. Did you move up in the SERPs as a result of the services and your own efforts over the past 6 months?

        Best of luck with your site for the future,
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        You might not be so pissed off If you understood that Yahoo Explorer will not return every single backlink you have.

        When you had the backlinks created you should have asked for a detailed list of the exact URLs that the backlinks were created on. That was your mistake, take credit for it.

        I don't know who created your backlinks, but you stand a good chance of having more backlinks than you realize, If your research is based only on Yahoo Explorer.

        Live by this rule...

        You should never outsource anything until you understand the process & research (yourself) 100%. The outsourcing should be based on saving you personal time, not because you don't understand how to get the job done yourself. Otherwise you'll have no clue how to verify the job was ever completed. Which it sounds like is the case now.


        Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

        I am not saying that everybody here is a scumbag. I am just saying that a lot of the stuff on this site is BS

        I bought back linking services 3 months ago... why is it that I only have Under 200 back links? (accounting to Yahoo site explorer and google)
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          You should never outsource anything until you understand the process & research (yourself) 100%. The outsourcing should be based on saving you personal time, not because you don't understand how to get the job done yourself. Otherwise you'll have no clue how to verify the job was ever completed. Which it sounds like is the case now.
          Very sound advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author OKFarmgirl
    I think this post is not super useful or kind or appropriate. I have been using this forum for a few months, and yeah, there are some people who respond who don't know what they're talking about. I've made some mistakes based on their input, but that was very early on. For the most part, people are SO helpful and frankly, if you don't have the insight to take what people say and research it yourself before implementing it, that's no ones' fault but your own.

    Regarding backlinks - I agree that if you're unhappy with the service someone has provided, then you should hold them accountable and perhaps give a review of the service so others are aware of your experience. But a big wah-fest isn't going to help you or anyone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author webjedi
      Originally Posted by OKFarmgirl View Post

      I think this post is not super useful or kind or appropriate. I have been using this forum for a few months, and yeah, there are some people who respond who don't know what they're talking about. I've made some mistakes based on their input, but that was very early on. For the most part, people are SO helpful and frankly, if you don't have the insight to take what people say and research it yourself before implementing it, that's no ones' fault but your own.
      Does this post deserve a thanks?
      Heck yes it does.
      I don't know what other sites the OP belongs to or even the contributors to this thread but I frequent a few sites and this is by far.. by far? by FAR the most generous and helpful site with information and guru's helping newbies.

      SEO is always a calculated guess and if the OP wasn't frustrated, he/she might just look at what the real culprit is.

      PR is not issued automatically nor without discretion that is why it is so valued.

      Probably lack of themed links or even poorly constructed link anchor text that is pulling you away from becoming authority.

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  • Profile picture of the author brianboyer
    He is right. You need to ask the person who sold you the service. You are going to run into "scumbags" everywhere you go in life and there will always some regrets. The internet is full of those type of people but you just need to do a lot of research and get to know the right people before you decide on investing your own money.

    You just need to learn from your mistakes and move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author alco
      If you look around especially the SEO section of this forum, it is a case of (mostly) newbies leading newbies. Without prior experience , what is the likely outcome? As for backlink services on offer here, I'd rather run a million miles away. I have never purchase any such services but the likes of profile backlinks, spun articles, etc are of the lowest caliber. If your sites are based on these, will they stand the test of time. I can understand where the OP is coming from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    Your PR will probably never get updated... it's old news and people haven't been getting updates for more than 6 months now. Page rank won't make you any more money, increase your conversions or even get you ranked higher. It doesn't matter any more.

    If you're searching Yahoo for your backlinks and ALL of them show up, then be concerned.

    I've built backlinks before and verified that each one of them were INDEXED and none of them showed up in any kind of backlink check. On average I only see 10-20% of my backlinks show up with those tools.

    It doesn't mean that the links aren't there, it just means that tool isn't reporting it.

    Instead of worrying about backlinks, you should be more concerned about the result you get from buying backlinks.

    That's one of the main reasons I stopped offering backlink services. I'd shoot someone from no-where to page 2 in 2 weeks and they'd complain because none of the links were showing up in yahoo... then they'd dissapear instead of returning and getting their sites on page 1.. it made no sense why people would just stop right before success because they were more interested in reported backlinks and not SEO improvement.

    You also have to take into consideration that if you were buying links, a LOT of them won't get indexed unless YOU do something about it.

    There are a few good SEO services here on the warrior forum but you'll need to spend at least $47-$97 for a quality service.

    Or you could take the time and learn it yourself and just hire a few outsourcers to do it much cheaper.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      I think it's BS that you're giving us BS about you thinking this forum is BS
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    • Profile picture of the author arttse
      If you sell SEO services your customers will only be interested in their rankings. If you sell backlink services your customers will only be interested in the number of backlinks you have acquired for them.

      What they fail to realise is that backlinks = SEO.
      Originally Posted by Victor Edson View Post

      Your PR will probably never get updated... it's old news and people haven't been getting updates for more than 6 months now. Page rank won't make you any more money, increase your conversions or even get you ranked higher. It doesn't matter any more.

      If you're searching Yahoo for your backlinks and ALL of them show up, then be concerned.

      I've built backlinks before and verified that each one of them were INDEXED and none of them showed up in any kind of backlink check. On average I only see 10-20% of my backlinks show up with those tools.

      It doesn't mean that the links aren't there, it just means that tool isn't reporting it.

      Instead of worrying about backlinks, you should be more concerned about the result you get from buying backlinks.

      That's one of the main reasons I stopped offering backlink services. I'd shoot someone from no-where to page 2 in 2 weeks and they'd complain because none of the links were showing up in yahoo... then they'd dissapear instead of returning and getting their sites on page 1.. it made no sense why people would just stop right before success because they were more interested in reported backlinks and not SEO improvement.

      You also have to take into consideration that if you were buying links, a LOT of them won't get indexed unless YOU do something about it.

      There are a few good SEO services here on the warrior forum but you'll need to spend at least $47-$97 for a quality service.

      Or you could take the time and learn it yourself and just hire a few outsourcers to do it much cheaper.
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  • Profile picture of the author Apollo-Articles
    Your site is receiving "55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month" thats more than 1700 a day... Whats not working?

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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    If you are PR0 and can only see a small number of backlinks BUT you have good rankings and are pulling in a large number of unique visitors..who cares about those stats?!

    Rankings, traffic and conversion is ALL you should be concerned about. If it's working for you then why change it or be unhappy with your stats?
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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    Well from your post you said that you're getting 55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month. i think that should be more than enaugh to get profits from your site. Don't bother to much with PR, if your website already bring good profits to your pocket then it's more value then a site with a high PR but low traffic and small to no profits at all. In the end the only you need to worried is that is your site still bring $$$ to your pockets my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

    I started reading this site about 5 months ago when I started up my new website. I am NOT a marketer. I run a website that does not try to scam people into buying crap. I solely rely on traffic to make money through 3rd party cpm/cpc banner networks.

    I have done the whole yada yada yada and bought many different services advertised on this website and I am sorry to say that I think they are all BS.

    I think 95% of the information that I have read on this website is nothing more than hot air BS.

    To me a lot of the info and products that are featured on this site sounds like someone just loves to hear himself talk by writing insanely long marketing fluff.

    First off, my site is receiving appox 55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month and around 200,000 page views per month. It is not a big site and I am not claiming that it is.

    In six months we are ranked in the 112,000 Quantcast and 117,000 Alexa. In other words we are slowly growing.

    Since beginning to read this forum I have purchased several back linking packages. I have purchased a few article submission services. I have purchased several other packages.

    Going into the 7th month of my website in operation.... I am still a Page Rank of ZERO. I have a whopping 113 backlinks.

    I am using WordPress Plugins for SEO. I have a damn good site with over 6,000 pages

    What's the deal???

    thanks.. I actually love WF but damn, I am so frustrated
    I wrote a decent-sized post in response to this, but I've just deleted it.

    Quite honestly, I have no idea what your point is, or what your question is (if there is one at all).

    Just what is the purpose of this thread, really? Because, to me, it seems like you're just spewing a lot of that "hot air" you've just declared your own hatred for!?

    You wouldn't happen to be a hypocrite, would you? :confused: ??? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post


    Since beginning to read this forum I have purchased several back linking packages. I have purchased a few article submission services. I have purchased several other packages.
    I hear you and you are dead right no matter what else you read in this thread. the big secret is that in many niches those packages just plain don't work. Backlink packages pretty much are good for long tail and weak competition. No one wants to come out and say that who sells those services. the common practice is to put up how they rank for some weak term like.

    "red birds in autumn flying south"


    No one wants to tell you that you are going to need to get some high pagerank on page links to stay afloat in competitive niches. Why? Because no one has figured out how to put together a product that can get you them with a click of a button.

    do a backlink study of the term backlinks that used to be the proof search used. Today most of the sites for that very term have paid links because even in their own niche the backlink packages are not enough
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    For starters backlink reporting software is a complete joke. Where do you think they get the data for their reports? From the search engines themselves! Do you really think the SE's is going to provide you with the tools and info you need to crack their algorithms?

    I actually have sites I backlink to every day religiously that only show 11 backlinks! Yet the sites are on page one for highly competitive keywords.

    Which leads me to believe it is more profitable to smoke crack than it is to use backlink checkers.

    So for starters quit equating website success to the amount of backlinks your software is reporting.

    After that quit reading about all the different theories regarding seo and start backlinking to your site every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author CrimsonTide
    We are getting all of our traffic from promoting outside of the internet and on Facebook. Zero SEO.

    We are using SEOMoz and our site is really grading high to their standards.

    If I offended anyone then I do apologize but i am beginning to think that a lot of the "Black Hat" link building and article writing gigs that are posted on this site are nothing more than hot air.

    I really do not understand how people on here could get upset with me for spitting out my frustrations about several services that I have purchased through this forum.

    I am here to tell everyone here in the community that i think a lot of the stuff on this forum is a bunch of BS. I am not seeing any results at all from anything that i have purchased on here from the past few months. Perhaps it takes a lot longer than 4 or 5 months to kick in?

    I did not start this topic to bash people. In fact i am not calling out any of the services that i have purchased.

    I still enjoy the forum but i am learning that a lot of the "suggestions, methods, and services" provided on this forum are not very reliable at all.

    Some on here are saying that I am getting my panties in wad. No I am not. I am just stating out the obvious and that I am clearly not seeing results from using things that i have tried on this website.

    I am not going clearly off Page Rank which some of you are suggesting.

    Several of my competitor's Page Ranks have indeed gone up in the past 2 months while mine is still at zero.

    it has just been an extremely frustrating experience which is what my rant is about.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

      We are getting all of our traffic from promoting outside of the internet and on Facebook. Zero SEO.

      We are using SEOMoz and our site is really grading high to their standards.

      If I offended anyone then I do apologize but i am beginning to think that a lot of the "Black Hat" link building and article writing gigs that are posted on this site are nothing more than hot air.

      I really do not understand how people on here could get upset with me for spitting out my frustrations about several services that I have purchased through this forum.

      I am here to tell everyone here in the community that i think a lot of the stuff on this forum is a bunch of BS. I am not seeing any results at all from anything that i have purchased on here from the past few months. Perhaps it takes a lot longer than 4 or 5 months to kick in?

      I did not start this topic to bash people. In fact i am not calling out any of the services that i have purchased.

      I still enjoy the forum but i am learning that a lot of the "suggestions, methods, and services" provided on this forum are not very reliable at all.

      Some on here are saying that I am getting my panties in wad. No I am not. I am just stating out the obvious and that I am clearly not seeing results from using things that i have tried on this website.

      I am not going clearly off Page Rank which some of you are suggesting.

      Several of my competitor's Page Ranks have indeed gone up in the past 2 months while mine is still at zero.
      Whine, whine , whine. You speak as one who does not have control over your business. If you care so little about your business (otherwise you would have taken steps to take control of it already, right?) why should we give a hoot about it?
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      • Profile picture of the author mrjonman
        Does anyone understand WTF this fellow is talking about and why he bothered posting?

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      • Profile picture of the author CrimsonTide
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        Whine, whine , whine. You speak as one who does not have control over your business. If you care so little about your business (otherwise you would have taken steps to take control of it already, right?) why should we give a hoot about it?
        Ok mattlaclear,

        Let's run a test here.

        WSO #1: $79.99 Special: You Pick 5 Keywords! We'll Deliver A Guaranteed Page One Ranking For One Of Them!

        I am going to order your WSO #1 package that you are advertising. I am going to give you five keywords where you guarantee 1st page placement on one.

        I am going to do a step by step diary of everything that I will experience for your service.

        The diary will begin the moment I send you the payment.

        How confident are you participating in this test? If you back out then you will show the entire WF Community that your service is a joke. If you fulfill my order then you can be the next SEO hero on WF.

        You game?
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          That proves nothing to the rest of us WF forum members, If only you & Matt have access to the backlinks. It's your word against his, nothing more.

          Are you willing to make your backlinks/keyword public here on this thread?



          Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

          Ok mattlaclear,

          Let's run a test here.

          WSO #1: $79.99 Special: You Pick 5 Keywords! We'll Deliver A Guaranteed Page One Ranking For One Of Them!

          I am going to order your WSO #1 package that you are advertising. I am going to give you five keywords where you guarantee 1st page placement on one.

          I am going to do a step by step diary of everything that I will experience for your service.

          The diary will begin the moment I send you the payment.

          How confident are you participating in this test? If you back out then you will show the entire WF Community that your service is a joke. If you fulfill my order then you can be the next SEO hero on WF.

          You game?
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          • Profile picture of the author CrimsonTide
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            That proves nothing If only you & Matt have access to the backlinks. It's only your word against his, nothing more.

            Are you willing to make your backlinks/keyword public here on this thread?
            I have nothing to hide.
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        • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
          Matt's already an SEO super hero on the warrior forum

          Like I said earlier, there are a lot of quality services here... and his is one of the best.



          Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

          Ok mattlaclear,

          Let's run a test here.

          WSO #1: $79.99 Special: You Pick 5 Keywords! We'll Deliver A Guaranteed Page One Ranking For One Of Them!

          I am going to order your WSO #1 package that you are advertising. I am going to give you five keywords where you guarantee 1st page placement on one.

          I am going to do a step by step diary of everything that I will experience for your service.

          The diary will begin the moment I send you the payment.

          How confident are you participating in this test? If you back out then you will show the entire WF Community that your service is a joke. If you fulfill my order then you can be the next SEO hero on WF.

          You game?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

          Ok mattlaclear,

          Let's run a test here.

          WSO #1: $79.99 Special: You Pick 5 Keywords! We'll Deliver A Guaranteed Page One Ranking For One Of Them!

          I am going to order your WSO #1 package that you are advertising. I am going to give you five keywords where you guarantee 1st page placement on one.
          For full disclosure and to be fair to Matt he really doesn't guarantee page one for any terms. From what I have read he has veto rights over the keywords. SO if they are too competitive he will just refund the money to you. So if the idea is to pick your own competitive phrases and they are all hard he isn't guaranteeing he will get one to page one.
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

          Ok mattlaclear,

          Let's run a test here.

          WSO #1: $79.99 Special: You Pick 5 Keywords! We'll Deliver A Guaranteed Page One Ranking For One Of Them!

          I am going to order your WSO #1 package that you are advertising. I am going to give you five keywords where you guarantee 1st page placement on one.

          I am going to do a step by step diary of everything that I will experience for your service.

          The diary will begin the moment I send you the payment.

          How confident are you participating in this test? If you back out then you will show the entire WF Community that your service is a joke. If you fulfill my order then you can be the next SEO hero on WF.

          You game?
          Am I game? Hell yes I am. I don't mind taking you to school if that's what you're looking for.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            Am I game? Hell yes I am. I don't mind taking you to school if that's what you're looking for.
            matt I don't know that you and him are even really at odds. I might be wrong but I took it by packages he was talking about some offers from people who don't run their own network but just do xrummer or scrapebox runs.
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            • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              matt I don't know that you and him are even really at odds. I might be wrong but I took it by packages he was talking about some offers from people who don't run their own network but just do xrummer or scrapebox runs.
              The problem with selling backlinks is that there is so much misinformation regarding page ranks and such that the general public have been fed and accept as gospel.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        Whine, whine , whine. You speak as one who does not have control over your business. If you care so little about your business (otherwise you would have taken steps to take control of it already, right?) why should we give a hoot about it?

        he has a right to his opinion and frankly he is not that way off on some of his assumptions (some yes). There are alot of backlink packages on here that are garbage and discussions is what a forum is about.
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        • Profile picture of the author CrimsonTide
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          he has a right to his opinion and frankly he is not that way off on some of his assumptions (some yes). There are alot of backlink packages on here that are garbage and discussions is what a forum is about.
          Perhaps I came off harsh and should have "vented" a little better but it can be frustrating paying for services and not seeing results.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

            Perhaps I came off harsh and should have "vented" a little better but it can be frustrating paying for services and not seeing results.
            Well I read you a bit differently. I gathered you had bought some backlink packages like forum and profiles etc. Now if you say you bought some packages with people who actually use on page pagerank and didn't see any benefit I would be surprised.

            I don't subscribe to the just build backlinks advice. You do have to watch for quality and I think its a bit unfair to claim that the ones that you bought were good but Google isn't reporting them.

            Its well known that several kinds of backlink packages have a high deletion rate when admins find them or make their pages nofollow. If you saw BOTH no increase in serps and veryf ew backlinks then its far more likely that what you bought was junk.

            th emistake I think you amke is assuming that all of them are the same but theres is absolutely no doubt that there are a ton load of people in this SEO spot who think its all about quantity without quality. Truth is you need both. Quantity for popularity of your linkgraph and quality for the authority angle.

            Just don't paint everyone with the same stroke.
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          • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
            Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

            Perhaps I came off harsh and should have "vented" a little better but it can be frustrating paying for services and not seeing results.
            Ever bought a cheeseburger from McDonalds and realised, when you opened the wrapper, that the steaming pile of wet, deflated dog turd flopping between your fingers in no way resembled what was advertised on the billboard just down the street?

            As a kid I was bought a Kinex rollercoaster set, and a few days later I realised, when I set it up, that I'd been sold "lies": I never received the fairground music and the 3D scenery, nor the little CGI man that rode in the carriage. And where the hell were those sparks and other special effects?

            Yup ... false advertising and exaggeration in practice yet again.

            But guess what? Whether the vendor/provider/manufacturer is 100% truthful and realistic in their marketing and sales materials or not really doesn't negate the need for you to act and spend responsibly, to exercise your own due diligence, to do your own research, and to hold yourself at least partly accountable ... unless you want a life of continual disappointment and a steady stream of headaches. Especially if you've tried over and over again and achieved the same results. Why do you keep falling for the same crap?

            If you don't know enough about something to assess its suitability or value, then find someone who does and who you trust, and consult them first.

            If that doesn't work, exercise your rights. Your right to a refund, right to compensation, right to complain and seek remedial action, or whatever else you're entitled to. Or, if the other party has 100% covered their ass and you don't have a leg to stand on, entertain the possibility that you're still acting like a sucker, then ask yourself why that is and stop doing it.

            Now, go sort out whatever problems you have with whatever services you've received. Good luck with that.

            And then quit whining and buying into crap, and take the time to educate yourself in order that you're able to make better purchase decisions in the future: because if you don't watch what you do with your money, no-one else will.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek S
    CrimsonTide, from reading this post and others you have posted in the past you definitely have the "victim" mentality about your situation. The "why me" state of mind that will never move you forward to accomplishing your goals.

    You have been fooled by WSO's in the past that do not work to your expectations and what are you doing again right here in front of us all... falling for another warriors WSO.

    Like the advice I have already given you, go out of find training from the authorities on SEO and LEARN seo. Stop looking for a magic button service where all you have to do is exchange a tiny bit of cash in return for top rankings... it does not work that way.

    You have one option when it comes to knowing what seo services will work for you... PERSONALLY LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT SEO. Once you know SEO you have two options...

    1. Apply the strategies you know are effective in ranking yourself

    or

    2. Outsource the specific tasks you know to be effective

    A general company that promises "top rankings" or "seo" without mentioning the methods like profile backlinks or blog comments etc. or how they plan on bringing you top ranking... probably fully doesn't understand seo. A company that offers top 5 rankings in 5 hours let alone one month DEFINITELY has no clue what their talking about.

    If you want true high rankings for a competitive term and do not want to do it yourself, I would not trust any company that charges less than $5,000 PER MONTH and instantly can take you on as a client. Even with the worlds best seo team behind you it can and probably will take AT LEAST a year to rank a competitive site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aclarke
    Ok so it sounds like you could do with some help/advice and this is defo the place for that buts its not the best start by saying that this site is full of BS as this is prob where you will get the best advice on this site!
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  • Profile picture of the author surfless
    Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

    I started reading this site about 5 months ago when I started up my new website. I am NOT a marketer. I run a website that does not try to scam people into buying crap. I solely rely on traffic to make money through 3rd party cpm/cpc banner networks.

    I have done the whole yada yada yada and bought many different services advertised on this website and I am sorry to say that I think they are all BS.

    I think 95% of the information that I have read on this website is nothing more than hot air BS.

    To me a lot of the info and products that are featured on this site sounds like someone just loves to hear himself talk by writing insanely long marketing fluff.

    thanks.. I actually love WF but damn, I am so frustrated
    I hear you. Congrats on your site, it sounds like you are doing better than most. It does get frustrating trying to market to marketers, no doubt.
    Even I get frustrated trying to find answers here only to be sold by hundreds of people not doing any better in their program of choice.

    That's why I started my own site giving people the things they need to make money online and showing people a free route (as well as a Paid route) so they could decide whats best instead of selling them on the next "thing" and people respect that.

    Most Traffic exchanges and Forums kill me, and I love to hate them too
    So see ya here tomorrow?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    The only reason I asked to make the backlinks/keyword public is to:

    1) See that the backlinks are actually completed

    2) See that OP, understands the exact location those backlinks are placed, & that tools like Yahoo Explorer will not show every single backlink, which does not mean the backlink isn't live.

    I don't doubt Matt can do the job (I don't even know Matt), & this is only a test for a single WSO out of hundreds If not thousands of other WSOs that won't be proven simply because those people that created all the other WSOs are not here to comment & defend their own WSOs.

    Sure a lot of content on this forum (& the entire net) is crap, most times common sense will weed out the crappy stuff. Example, the WSOs/threads that tell you you how to make $3,471.18 this month. Dollar signs that make claims for your own personal gain are scams in any WSO/thread page Title.

    On the other hand, I've read WSOs that only provided a very small detail that I didn't already know about, that helped me better myself & IM business.

    It is what it is...
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Okay, lets be real here for just a minute....55K uniques a month... you should be monetizing very well, and there is no reason you couldn't hire an SEO firm to triple your money.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      First off, my site is receiving appox 55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month and around 200,000 page views per month.

      ... and the problem there is?

      In six months we are ranked in the 112,000 Quantcast and 117,000 Alexa. In other words we are slowly growing. [ so? is the site for sale? ]

      Since beginning to read this forum I have purchased several back linking packages. I have purchased a few article submission services. I have purchased several other packages.

      Going into the 7th month of my website in operation.... I am still a Page Rank of ZERO.

      LOLz .... backlinks are usually for serps and traffic - who gives a rip about PR if you're getting quality traffic and you can monetize it? Did you build this masterpiece to sell high PR links to others or to monetize traffic?

      I have a whopping 113 backlinks.

      ... you have 6,000 pages on your site and only 113 backlinks? Seems kinda odd. Since its wordpress, i'd think at least 250 pages of the 6k would get a few links naturally sans automated link building methods? just from other site subbing to the rss feeds.

      Kinda flys in the face of Mike Anthony's usual protestations about writing lots of good content that people will want to link to. 6,000 pages and < 200 backlinks? Either the content is not good link bait or Mike's theory isnt working for you ... or both.

      Ive got autosplogs for certain purposes with < 2k posts that get their rss feeds picked up and garner tons more natural links - from the hundreds to the 1,000s ... wonder what the problem is with your pages?


      Ya know what - there's a lot of really crappy sites on the internet. Does that allow me to lump all sites in the internet as BS - in the fashion that youve done? There is a lot of noise on this forum - its a massive freakin forum. But what Im calling BS on is that you've been reading it for 5 months regularly and only had a website active for 7 yet its doing by most peoples standards pretty well - in the context of unique traffics - and none of the good ideas you've garnered came from here. So the day you started your site you knew all about facebook and twitter traffic generation methods -or did you get some ideas here?

      Whether you choose to believe it or not - there's a multi millionaires online education up in here live 24 x 7 - the smart people learn to seperate the wheat from the chaffe as they say. Sounds like youre learning to do so. However; declaring the whole forum is BS ... is well ... BS. If you cannot sort out the quality info from the crap - that's on you.


      I am using WordPress Plugins for SEO.

      ... doesnt everyone with a wordpress site?

      I have a damn good site with over 6,000 pages

      ... that's good
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    While you're at it, why don't you test my sig as well. See if all providers are ****ty
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I really feel sorry for you. You are getting 55,000 visitors per month, and you are bitching. So what you only have a hundred or so back links, go get some more if you want more. But you are doing pretty well with this site. I assume you are making money off of it, otherwise you need to figure out what your problem is as you have the traffic to be making a decent living if not a very good living.

    Some people would bitch if they were hung with a new rope.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    Some tips I have learned:
    1. Don't be concerned with PR... only traffic
    2. Learn SEO on your own - try different methods and see the results
    3. Find a good linkbuilder - quality backlinks only
    4. Study your competition - find the #1 or #2 or #3 websites and see how they got there... look at content, domain age & backlinks
    5. Backlinks take a few months to have full effect sometimes longer.

    Hope this helps!!
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    • Profile picture of the author jacked
      Originally Posted by bcalling23 View Post

      Patience Grasshopper
      This.

      Did you look at what the quality of the links you bought? What type of links they were? Try any indexing techniques?

      100 backlinks isn't much and it can't guarantee you any PR.

      There are sites with thousands of links which are PR 0.
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
    Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

    I started reading this site about 5 months ago when I started up my new website. I am NOT a marketer. I run a website that does not try to scam people into buying crap. I solely rely on traffic to make money through 3rd party cpm/cpc banner networks.

    I have done the whole yada yada yada and bought many different services advertised on this website and I am sorry to say that I think they are all BS.

    I think 95% of the information that I have read on this website is nothing more than hot air BS.

    To me a lot of the info and products that are featured on this site sounds like someone just loves to hear himself talk by writing insanely long marketing fluff.

    First off, my site is receiving appox 55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month and around 200,000 page views per month. It is not a big site and I am not claiming that it is.

    In six months we are ranked in the 112,000 Quantcast and 117,000 Alexa. In other words we are slowly growing.

    Since beginning to read this forum I have purchased several back linking packages. I have purchased a few article submission services. I have purchased several other packages.

    Going into the 7th month of my website in operation.... I am still a Page Rank of ZERO. I have a whopping 113 backlinks.

    I am using WordPress Plugins for SEO. I have a damn good site with over 6,000 pages

    What's the deal???

    thanks.. I actually love WF but damn, I am so frustrated


    1st of all, your right...there is a lot of BS here and everywhere for that matter. I'm sorry it took you that long to find this out. But thats not to say there isn't good quality tools on here so anyone that takes offense to that is probably one of "those" people talking out of their ass.

    The problem is you need to stop looking for a magic bullet. You need to put in the time to learn this stuff yourself so that you can differentiate the BS from quality programs and tactics.

    2nd of all, why do you care if your Page Rank is 0? Are you planning on selling it later? If not, with that many visitors....who cares? Work on ranking for your keywords. And with 6000 pages, you should pick up tons of long tail keywords. PR is just a near worthless number.

    Lastly, as far as backlinks go, its like PR..who cares how many show up in YSE/GOOGLE. They both choose which ones they want you to see and it varies day by day. Most they don't even show...so don't cling to this number.

    Bottom line, are your SERPS going up, are your visitors going up. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck, this is a long journey that has its ups and downs but if you stick with it and take the time to learn the in and outs..you will go far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    I'll trade you your traffic for one of my PR3 sites if PR is what will make you happy?
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    • Profile picture of the author tdj
      55,000 uniques a month? You have adsense on your site? If you did and only got a 3% clickthru, that would make you over $400 a month assuming you are getting approx .25 cents a click. How are you monetizing your site? Who are you selling to? What do they want?
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    • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      I'll trade you your traffic for one of my PR3 sites if PR is what will make you happy?
      Yeah, that sounds like a fair trade...I say GO FOR IT
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Originally Posted by CrimsonTide View Post

    I started reading this site about 5 months ago when I started up my new website. I am NOT a marketer. I run a website that does not try to scam people into buying crap. I solely rely on traffic to make money through 3rd party cpm/cpc banner networks.

    I have done the whole yada yada yada and bought many different services advertised on this website and I am sorry to say that I think they are all BS.

    I think 95% of the information that I have read on this website is nothing more than hot air BS.

    To me a lot of the info and products that are featured on this site sounds like someone just loves to hear himself talk by writing insanely long marketing fluff.

    First off, my site is receiving appox 55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month and around 200,000 page views per month. It is not a big site and I am not claiming that it is.

    In six months we are ranked in the 112,000 Quantcast and 117,000 Alexa. In other words we are slowly growing.

    Since beginning to read this forum I have purchased several back linking packages. I have purchased a few article submission services. I have purchased several other packages.

    Going into the 7th month of my website in operation.... I am still a Page Rank of ZERO. I have a whopping 113 backlinks.

    I am using WordPress Plugins for SEO. I have a damn good site with over 6,000 pages

    What's the deal???

    thanks.. I actually love WF but damn, I am so frustrated
    Hi Crimson Tide,

    You're complaining after buying some crap WSOs. And you kept buying crap WSOs after that.

    That looks like YOU FAILED in making the right buying decisions.

    How do you evaluate before you buy them? You can't just get sucked in by the Sales Pitch.

    FIRST of ALL, you have to check reviews, instead of impulsive buying.
    And in judging reviews, there are a few things to consider.

    Remember reviews come from various levels of buyers. I'm just putting a general outline:

    1. Reviews by Entry Level Newbies - usually they got so excited and their reviews were like they just found the Holy Grail. The WSO is new to them. To know whether they're Entry Level Newbies, check the number of posts they made and the sort of post they wrote. Then question yourself, are their reviews reliable enough to make decisions from?

    2. Reviews by Newbies in IM and but NOT NEWBIES in cyberspace - usually they ask many questions. You'll noticed the maturity in their very words. Notice if their questions get answered properly by the WSO creator? If the WSO creator cannot give good answers. Then you shouldn't buy that WSO. Again, check out their posts to see what they are like.

    3. Reviews by Senior Warriors. They usually ask very short and sharp questions. Many a times they get Free Review Copies. Then they will posts them. Each one of them have their reputations to take care off because they have their own WSOs. So, they won't spurt out reviews easily, without thinking of the consequences.

    From out of the 3 above, tell me which one is reliable enough to make decisions from?

    Personally, I would go for No.3 most of the time. If a product is not reviewed by Senior Warriors (who have their own WSOs), I will be more stringent in my decision.

    I've bought some craps too. Two of them were so bad, that I almost puke. However, I will not ask for a refund. It is a penalty to myself for making stupid decisions made on impulse. Nonetheless, it would be a pleasure giving the two WSO creators a sharp hook up their chins if I ever come across them as part of my very personalized review. ... lol....

    However, I've bought many,many more WSO's that are excellent and very enriching. I enjoyed every bit. They were able to change my perceptions on things - ( very rare occurrence for an highly opinionated old person like me ).

    Finally, please don't insult others for decisions you have personally made, foolishly. Happens to everyone, every now and then. Humans do that and should learn from it.

    Just be more stringent in future.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmazeMe
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    I understand EXACTLY what the original poster here has said...

    ... In fact he gave me lots of great pain point copy to use in my own promotion to sell my traffic secrets.

    OP - thank you. I hear your frustrations. Absolute gold and no one here saw it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim45
    Think about this.. what does google want most of all, what does your site visitors want most of all and what does other site/blog owners what most of all? If you can figure this out then you will have back links, traffic and money poring in by the buckets. Don't expect it to happen over night though.. it takes years to achieve these results. Also consider that wso's are not going to make you rich, it's the little bits and pieces you learn from the wso's that will eventually earn you money.. that is if implemented properly. Think of it like this.. warrior forum + wso's = college tuition.
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    This thread confused the hell out of me
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim45
    omg i made a mistake.. someone call the forum police! lol. point is that no one is going to make money out of the gate after buying one wso.
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  • Profile picture of the author myagi007
    If you're just on the warrior forum to buy cheap services then that's where you're going wrong. Take the time to build relationships, instead of alienating peoplewith posts like this, read advice, learn from those who have succeded. AND most importantly tell others how you are succeeding and share the love if you're getting that amount of traffic then what's your secret? I wouldn't mind 1700 visitors a day I could retire...
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