Deindexed and Sandboxed after SEnuke - What to do?

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Hi
Very sad day today.
My main site with 800 unique visitors a day disappeared out of the Google Index.

With that I mean when I google for "site:www.mysite.com" without the quotes, there shows up nothing.

The site has around 60 pages that are optimized for one keyword each. The domain has PR2 and is about 9 years old. (Bought in 02/11)

In the past 2,5 month I´ve done a lot of backlinking to the Main-page and to the other keyword optimized pages. Yahoo is showing around 1950 backlinks already. I´ve also made a lot of backlinks to Web 2.0 properties to shield my site.

But then comes SEnuke X along.
I´ve read here and in other forums that there is nothing like the Google Sandbox or Google Deindexing and Backlinks can never hurt you. (man was I wrong)

So I decided to do a little bit nuking for my site.
Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

That´s it. On 04/27/11 after around 300 Visitors, Google kicked me out of the Index.
That site made me around $200 this month in Adsense and Clickbank. Yesterday was 0,01 in Adsense.


I have two other sites that are Google Sandboxed since February and Beginning of April.
By Sandboxed I mean they show up in the google index but are on page 500 or elsewhere. These two sites are not nuked but I have bought Backlink packs at fiverr or Warriorforum. (Xrumer...)

Don´t let that happen to you!
Please keep attention to what you are doing to your sites. I can guarantee you that it is a very bad feeling when your sites are not found in google any more.

Any suggestions on what I can do to get my sites back in the Big G again?
And/or what can I do to not let this happen again to my other new sites that I´ll build?
How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?

Thanks Chris
#deindexed #sandboxed #senuke
  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Sounds bad but I would wait a few more days - I have had this happen, a site totally disappearing from the index for a few days, but returning quite quickly. Could just be some strange reindexing effect.

    I have had plenty of sites shoved down the rankings like the other sites you mention. I am trying some subtle backlinking on one recently slapped site to try and see if it's even possible to recover such sites. One of them was almost certainly due to thin content, another might have been due to use of an Xfactorish template. But can they rank again, that is the question, especially without any major on-page changes.

    Many people will say that even such 'penalties' often turn out to be temporary since otherwise people could use that effect to get their competitors deindexed. Actually, some smart-alec ALWAYS says that, though I have rarely heard of that theory actually being tested, it's more like received wisdom. Though maybe your footprint is just TOO blindingly obvious...
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  • Profile picture of the author thebalance
    If your site is really sandboxed, then try to build constantly HIGH PR Backlinks.

    It can only recommend to get your backlinks indexed by the search engine itself, the whole pinging and fast indexing stuff isn't good at all. Just let G find those links and you'll be out of the sandbox very soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    This is the first time I have hear a report like this. If true, then that is major.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      WOW. This has to be bumped...!

      If you care to elaborate, can you show us your URL? Since it is deindexed already.

      This is a manual penalty for sure.

      Maybe Google is finally putting its foot down on all these automated linking systems?
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      • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
        Originally Posted by Dellco View Post

        WOW. This has to be bumped...!

        If you care to elaborate, can you show us your URL? Since it is deindexed already.
        No, hopefully someday the site will be back again.

        This is a manual penalty for sure.
        Maybe Google is finally putting its foot down on all these automated linking systems?
        Maybe, maybe not. There are successful Nukers who don´t care for how much they are nuking and have never gotten a site deindexed. They are often doing it for month and years. On new and old sites.

        Have to learn a lot, that's for sure. I´ll never do Back linking in that way again. But what is a save and better way to use SEnuke?
        There are thousands of meanings out there and everybody says the opposite.

        Chris
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        • Profile picture of the author Dellco
          Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

          No, hopefully someday the site will be back again.



          Maybe, maybe not. There are successful Nukers who don´t care for how much they are nuking and have never gotten a site deindexed. They are often doing it for month and years. On new and old sites.

          Have to learn a lot, that’s for sure. I´ll never do Back linking in that way again. But what is a save and better way to use SEnuke?
          There are thousands of meanings out there and everybody says the opposite.

          Chris
          Why I think it is a manual penalty is because old sites do not go deindexed all of a sudden, unless someone at the Googleplex pushed the deindex button. Your site was old and doing good before it got the G slap, so it has to point to that.

          As far as I know, the only way to get out of a manual penalty is to clean up your links (I don't know if that is possible) and.... ask for reconsideration.

          Or 301 redirect your content to a new domain, but that is risky.
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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            Re: Deindexed and Sandboxed after SEnuke - What to do?

            Answer is simple to me ...

            There's 10 people on the first page that arent YOU to use that $147 per month tool on to make it finally live up to it's name...

            SE NUKE ... .you're competitors ... FULL MONTY their @zz's

            While your at it - 5'r them to oblivion with xrumer gigs.
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            • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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              Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

              Answer is simple to me ...

              There's 10 people on the first page that arent YOU to use that $147 per month tool on to make it finally live up to it's name...

              SE NUKE ... .you're competitors ... FULL MONTY their @zz's

              While your at it - 5'r them to oblivion with xrumer gigs.
              And then what? Those 10 will be replaced with 10 more, and then 10 more, and then 10 more, etc, etc, etc.
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              • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
                Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

                And then what? Those 10 will be replaced with 10 more, and then 10 more, and then 10 more, etc, etc, etc.
                Well if you're on the 5th page, do it only a few more times and you'll be #1! I think that was the point, anyway...and it was said tongue-in-cheek.
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            • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
              Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

              Answer is simple to me ...

              There's 10 people on the first page that arent YOU to use that $147 per month tool on to make it finally live up to it's name...

              SE NUKE ... .you're competitors ... FULL MONTY their @zz's

              While your at it - 5'r them to oblivion with xrumer gigs.

              Lol!

              Haha
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    Direct linking to your money site is always risky.
    Buying high PR quality blogposts (link to your money site) and then using tools like Senuke, SB, Xrumer and Senuke to energize those blogpost pages with backlinks work perfectly, because your not directly putting you money site on risk because by this way you pass link juice indirectly to your main money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author DigitalMaze
    My main site just droped from #13 to #550 on two phrases. Ive been using Sick Submitter, which is a great service but may have overdone it. The domain has not been de indexed so Im hoping its just the G dance.
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  • I've been there move on there is now way you see it back anytime soon. And maybe after a few month it will appear again like it did with me.



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  • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
    Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

    Hi
    Very sad day today.
    My main site with 800 unique visitors a day disappeared out of the Google Index.

    With that I mean when I google for "site:www.mysite.com" without the quotes, there shows up nothing.

    The site has around 60 pages that are optimized for one keyword each. The domain has PR2 and is about 9 years old. (Bought in 02/11)

    In the past 2,5 month I´ve done a lot of backlinking to the Main-page and to the other keyword optimized pages. Yahoo is showing around 1950 backlinks already. I´ve also made a lot of backlinks to Web 2.0 properties to shield my site.

    But then comes SEnuke X along.
    I´ve read here and in other forums that there is nothing like the Google Sandbox or Google Deindexing and Backlinks can never hurt you. (man was I wrong)

    So I decided to do a little bit nuking for my site.
    Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

    That´s it. On 04/27/11 after around 300 Visitors, Google kicked me out of the Index.
    That site made me around $200 this month in Adsense and Clickbank. Yesterday was 0,01 in Adsense.


    I have two other sites that are Google Sandboxed since February and Beginning of April.
    By Sandboxed I mean they show up in the google index but are on page 500 or elsewhere. These two sites are not nuked but I have bought Backlink packs at fiverr or Warriorforum. (Xrumer...)

    Don´t let that happen to you!
    Please keep attention to what you are doing to your sites. I can guarantee you that it is a very bad feeling when your sites are not found in google any more.

    Any suggestions on what I can do to get my sites back in the Big G again?
    And/or what can I do to not let this happen again to my other new sites that I´ll build?
    How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?

    Thanks Chris
    Keep us posted. I'd just keep building links. Question: how many links for your site according to Majestic SEO?
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by DSGChina View Post

      Keep us posted. I'd just keep building links. Question: how many links for your site according to Majestic SEO?
      Referring Domains 994
      External Backlinks 15,578
      592 Referring IP addresses
      477 are Class C subnets
      828 Indexed URLs

      What do these numbers mean?

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

        Referring Domains 994
        External Backlinks 15,578
        592 Referring IP addresses
        477 are Class C subnets
        828 Indexed URLs

        What do these numbers mean?

        Chris

        it means theres a helluva lot more to the story as to why you were de-indexed than using SENuke.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhupindrverma
    You wont going to believe how simple it is
    Start getting .gov and .edu backlinks

    And stop creating direct backlinks from an other domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by bhupindrverma View Post

      You wont going to believe how simple it is
      Start getting .gov and .edu backlinks

      And stop creating direct backlinks from an other domain.
      Do you know where I can get these and how much do I need?

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
        For such an old site it's not going to be anything to do with backlinks other than maybe a little 'dance' but even then it doesn't happen that often with old sites. Put it this way, there are sites that are much newer than yours and have hundreds of thousands of links and they're fine. Is far more likely to be to do with keyword stuffing or poor outbound links from your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexts
    Google cannot penalize you based on amount of links that you build.
    Think about it.It does not make any logical sense.It it would be true, you have a "power" to deindex any site on the internet( including your competition) by just running SENUKE campaigns on them.

    I suggest not to panic waiting few days or couple of weeks. It will come back.
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    • Profile picture of the author Love2Blog
      Originally Posted by alexts View Post

      Google cannot penalize you based on amount of links that you build.
      Think about it.It does not make any logical sense.It it would be true, you have a "power" to deindex any site on the internet( including your competition) by just running SENUKE campaigns on them.

      I suggest not to panic waiting few days or couple of weeks. It will come back.
      That's a myth and a lie that Google likes to propogate, sites get penalized manually AND automatically via some algorithm triggers all the time, the -50 penalty, the position 500 penalty, and several others have all been linked to backlink profiles.

      Just go over to Webmaster World forums and read the penalty threads and you will see many suffering with various penalties, and many reporting that post penalty backlink profile analysis showed a ton of spam links that they had not built, and can only be attributed to some competitor building them, so Google saying links can't harm you is crap!

      Spam links and lots of them kill sites, especially those that do not have a strong backlink profile, and software and programs like SENuke, Sick Submitter and others when used in excess can create an unnatural link profile that triggers penalties.

      Building a lot of crappy links suddenly can cause a penalty, lots of spam links can cause a penalty and overall building tons of links using automated tools, especially with the exact same anchor text, like profile links and SEnuke and others like it directly to your sites can and does trigger penalties.

      Any unnatural looking link profiles are dangerous and building a lot of links at once is also dangerous and especially profile links which are a total waste of time and money, they are useless.

      I speak from experience and learning the hard way, when it comes to link building QUALITY over QUANTITY everytime!

      ChrisWF,

      Using blog auto posting plugins or software is a problem and is also against Google Webmaster AND Adsense quality TOS, you can get your Adsense account banned as well.

      I suggest you take down Adsense before they come looking and only place Adsense on sites that are mostly full of unique, original and useful content, not auto generated blogs.

      The Adsense should not appear to be the end goal of the site, but only a complimentary supplement, or else it's an MFA.

      Your auto generated was basically a SPLOG, and that is why they removed you completely.

      This was definitely a manual penalty because your site does not rank or even come up on page 2 or 3 or 4 for it's full domain, http://domain.com, that is a severe and manual penalty.

      As you said, get rid of everything, add some original, comprehensive and useful to visitors articles. Make sure your theme is unique, nothing should be auto generated.

      And keep adding original ones only, do not use auto generated posts, 600 words plus each is best, and then contact them again.

      It's definitely worth your time to try to save your domain, as it is aged, but you will have to stay on it if they reindex you and make sure it stays clean.

      By the way, don't look for those edu and gov links as per other commenter, another dangerous and useless waste of time. These days people are creating FAKE edu sites, fake schools just to sell or create backlinks, bad idea, and these types of links are not worth what they used to be anyway.

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Sorry to hear about this... really sad to say the least

    I bet one of your competitors filed a spam report with Google and there might have been a manual review... but I could be wrong!
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      Sorry to hear about this... really say to say the least

      I bet one of your competitors filed a spam report with Google and there might have been a manual review... but I could be wrong!
      That´s an Idea. Actually I had someone that was interested to buy this Domain the last week. We didn´t come together because of the Price I was asking for.
      But when it is that easy to file a spam report I could do this to all my competition. I don´t really believe that.

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

        That´s an Idea. Actually I had someone that was interested to buy this Domain the last week. We didn´t come together because of the Price I was asking for.
        But when it is that easy to file a spam report I could do this to all my competition. I don´t really believe that.

        Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

        But when it is that easy to file a spam report I could do this to all my competition. I don´t really believe that.

        Chris

        Wait a minute. You don't believe that other people can file a spam report and screw up your site but you believe that too many backlinks can? Your competitors can easily do this to you as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Hi ElectronPlumber and 4morereferrals,

          Thanks for helping to debunk yet another erroneous claim of backlinks causing a website to be de-indexed.

          It seems to always be something else, but for some reason folks just love to blame the web spam. I think that it could be that they feel the most guilt about the web spam and automatically assume it is the thing they feel the most guilt over.

          Think about it folks, when you have a case of someone littering the web with spam, that same person just might have tried to cut more than a few corners. When that person gets the increased exposure from their promotional activities they also increase the likeliness of a human review. So the backlink campaign gains exposure and exposure speeds the discovery of other dubious practices. It's a story told almost daily on this forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
            how exactly did you go about doing your nuke? Which modules did you use?

            It's happened to me before but what I find is that it should be a lot harder for it to happen on senuke x, because you should be spreading the submission out over a few days.

            SENUKE NO NO'S:

            Don't hit your money sit with forum profiles, there's too many and unless you schedule it out over like a month then it's risky... make sure your forum profiles are always another level deep, so they're hitting tier 1 links or EVEN hitting tier 2 links.

            If you're going to link directly to your money site with profiles make sure it's just web2.0 because there's only about 60 of those, it tends to work well for me.

            Try and keep things simple with senuke x... it's powerful but its TOO powerful in the wrong hands... if you go all out you'll see bad results... use simple submissions and spread them out over a week, here's one that tends to work well for me:

            MONEY SITE
            ^
            ^
            web2.0 blog
            ^
            ^
            bookmarks
            ^
            ^
            RSS & FORUM PROFILES

            Hope that makes sense, as I say be random with your linking but whatever your doing dont go overboard and you'll be ok :-)

            It's nasty having your site dumped from the index... VERY nasty indeed...but chances are itll come back so you might as well spend your time working on something else instead of waiting around for it... that way when it does come back you'll have another site making money too!
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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Hi ElectronPlumber and 4morereferrals,

            Thanks for helping to debunk yet another erroneous claim of backlinks causing a website to be de-indexed.

            It seems to always be something else, but for some reason folks just love to blame the web spam. I think that it could be that they feel the most guilt about the web spam and automatically assume it is the thing they feel the most guilt over.

            Think about it folks, when you have a case of someone littering the web with spam, that same person just might have tried to cut more than a few corners. When that person gets the increased exposure from their promotional activities they also increase the likeliness of a human review. So the backlink campaign gains exposure and exposure speeds the discovery of other dubious practices. It's a story told almost daily on this forum.

            If they de indexed sites solely for the use of spammy profile links - there'd be 30% of their index .... well .... de indexed :-) A LOT of my stuff included.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Helphrey
    Chris,

    Sorry to hear that man. If your site is deindexed I don't think there is much that you can do regardless of how "easy" some people think it is.

    Was that the only adsense site of yours to get deindexed?

    Too many backlinks can draw a red flag for a manual site review, but the links themselves probably arent going to get you deindexed. The reviewer might have seen something wrong with your site...thin content, MFA, who you are linking to, etc.

    Give it some time and see what happens. Unless you fix your site and resubmit it for reconsideration to get it back in the GOogle index (slim chance), you really don't have much for options. Move on and learn. That's really all you can do.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ronny Kibet
    I just got de-indexed and i suppose sandboxed. Chris we are flocking together. Nothing sucks like when your bank account gets shut down without notice. arg!
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  • Profile picture of the author fitz10
    Did you check out Google Webmasters Tool to see if there's any information there on why your site was deindexed? You can sometimes request reconsideration depending on the issue. Is it possible your site could have gotten some malware installed on it or some spammy links put on it? Some website owners don't even know they've had malicious code inserted into the page until they check Google and find out they're ranking for some pharmaceutical term or something.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    As Oranges mentioned earlier, the "safe" way to use SENuke is to build sites like Social Network pages, blogger or wordpress blogs, etc. then nuke those to oblivion.

    That said, there's so many guys here that advocate quality over quantity, I would think they must have their reasons...
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  • Profile picture of the author Capig
    Doe's anyone remember a term known as the fear factor?

    I mentioned on another thread, is it a good idea to use SEX on your quality allready money generating ranking sites?

    I've always found that once at the top of G. It doesn't take much to maintain or return your site to it's best ranking position.

    BUT Yes I nuked a couple of my better sites, one got (I felt slapped) one has jumped to page one for a rather competitive keyword..

    The site that got slapped to oblivion off the first page of google has 3 of the articles that sex created on the first page of G. Then 2 on the second, 4 on the third and so on. They haven,t generated any income but it has only been 3 weeks...

    By the way it is never a good idea to compete against your site with the same keywords that you are trying to rank your site for.

    Let's see what happens..
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  • Profile picture of the author MarksWineClub
    Have you logged into Webmaster Tools? When my site was deindexed after being hacked and linking out to 2000 viagara posts from every page....Google sent me an email notification with instructions about how to ask for re inclusion.

    60 pages in 9 years seems a little light, no?
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by MarksWineClub View Post

      Have you logged into Webmaster Tools? When my site was deindexed after being hacked and linking out to 2000 viagara posts from every page....Google sent me an email notification with instructions about how to ask for re inclusion.

      60 pages in 9 years seems a little light, no?

      In the Webmaster Tools are no post from Google, no Errors, nothing.
      I already wrote a letter to the Google Webmaster Team and asked for some clarification.
      If I know what went wrong there may be a way to fix that.


      I have the domain since February and I think 60 Pages with HQ Articles are very good in that short timeframe.
      Also I have around 1200 posts that are done with WPmagic. That way I´ve discovered a few keywords that Google sent me traffic for. If that happens, I take that keyword and write a unique Article for that keyword. The best new keyword had 523 hits last month.


      What I hate on Google is that there are no clear rules. They only say don´t drive too fast. They don´t say here the speed limit is 50 and here the limit is 70. You´re driving like everyone with 60 when it's 50 and perhaps 80 when it says 70. I know that's too fast, but hey everybody does that and when I´ve been caught then I pay a few dollars and it's good. But Google didn´t tell me when I have to drive 50. They caught me driving 90 and they decided to cut my head off. Done. No judge, no explanation, nothing.
      If they just send a standard letter saying "Attention! You´ve been driving too fast here and there, slow down. We watch you and as a first penalty we put you in the sandbox for 4 weeks. After that we decide whether you will be de-indexed or go to Page 1".

      That would give me a clear idea what I´ve been doing wrong and I guarantee you I wouldn´t have done that Nuke or whatever went wrong again.

      OK, enough of that rambling. Blue Sky and the Sun is shining. I'll take my bike and scramble the frustration.

      A Good Sunday to everybody.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chucky
        Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

        Also I have around 1200 posts that are done with WPmagic.
        Chris
        So you have 60 unique articles and 1200 auto generated posts? Could that be the reason your site failed a manual review?

        Would appreciate if someone can untangle this part.

        I also use WPRobot to populate feeder sites, but never for my money sites.

        Hope you will figure it out and come out of it, all the best!

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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinksboy
    dont build backlinks any more for the site.

    remove the URL's which you have added to the sites (backlinks), the site will be back in google.

    create new pages on your site, keep adding content
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    Do one thing leave the site for two weeks and apply for reconsideration.before that add some more extra pages too.
    Requesting reconsideration of your site - Webmaster Tools Help
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  • Profile picture of the author arie_ds
    Do you use a plugin who automatically convert your incoming keywords into tags? eg. seoboosterpro, or STT2
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Guarantee this has nothing to do with backlinks. If you let a few people take a look at your site I bet we could discover the real reason.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Dybka
        Google would rarely de index a 9 year old site based just on to many backlinks,there has to be a different reason why this happened,by the way how many backlinks were you actually shooting at your site with senuke?


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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      I've been working on a deindexing FAQ here at WF and I'd like to add whatever you find here to it. Take a look and see if anything pertains to your site: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...deindexed.html

      If you really and truly get nothing for a correctly formatted site:mysite.com or a straight search for mysite.com then you have done something wrong in the eyes of Google. Could be something as simple as a robots.txt or similar problem, but I can't say for sure without seeing the site.

      If you'd like to PM me the site, I'd be happy to take a look at it. Look through that post I linked above, I've done the same for a number of people. The SENuking could be a coincidence and you may have seriously violated the Google Webmaster Standards when you did your redesign.
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      • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        If you'd like to PM me the site, I'd be happy to take a look at it. Look through that post I linked above, I've done the same for a number of people. The SENuking could be a coincidence and you may have seriously violated the Google Webmaster Standards when you did your redesign.
        Hi ElectronPlumber

        PM send. Thanks for your interest.


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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Trust me STT2 has nothing to do with a deindex, that plugin is awesome, I run it on my own sites.


      Originally Posted by arie_ds View Post

      Do you use a plugin who automatically convert your incoming keywords into tags? eg. seoboosterpro, or STT2
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    • Profile picture of the author zoeguy
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Trust me STT2 has nothing to do with a deindex, that plugin is awesome, I run it on my own sites.
      Posting this for the benefit of anyone using STT plugin:

      Originally Posted by jerzydawg

      "The plugin leaves several footprints for Google and Google is constantly deindexing and sandboxing those that use the plugin. I highly recommend you uninstall it since it does nothing but cause more trouble in the end. It used to be a good plugin to rank for long tail keywords but Google has caught on. If you are using this plugin and your site is deindexed, this is the culprit."
      Google this: "SearchTerms tagging" deindexing

      If you use it, read this article Mark Hansen wrote about removing the footprints:

      SEO SearchTerms Tagging 2 Footprint Removal | Niche Store Builder

      Some more comments on STT:
      Originally Posted by lazlow

      "It appears that it the plugin is safe if you deactivate the "Link To Searches" option in the sidebar widget"

      "keep in mind that you will get a lot of traffic but the traffic won't be targeted.. so you won't make a lot of money out of it. In my case I actually lost income because I was not ranking anymore for the keywords I was targeting... even though I had 10k visits a day with stt2 I had very low conversions and leads."
      EDIT:
      Wanted to clarify that yukon in my first quote above is one the finest sources of quality info on this forum so I would actually trust him more than these other people I quoted from. Reason for the post is that there seems to be a lot of people talking about this. De-indexing for some can mean a major catastrophe. I have NO experience with this plug-in and yukon appears to have much experience using it. Hoping he will give some feedback on this because like I said he seems to be getting good results with the plugin.

      A couple more posts I read today:
      Originally Posted by itos84

      "I lost 13 sites deindexed today. Was using SEO Search Terms Tagging 2, with a lot of search pages indexed. I read in google webmasters that indexing search pages is against their TOS and can result in deindex."
      Originally Posted by Italian Hawk

      " It's making your keyword density crazy high. I mean, 3-4%, you've already got it in the title, tag, and several times in the actual content. With that, you're adding it another multitude of times as well."
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  • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
    I took a look. You don't have any obvious technical problems that I could find, robots.txt looks good and such.

    Here is the stuff you really want to fix before you resubmit for reconsideration:
    1. USING THE BACK BUTTON ON YOUR SITE POPS A BROWSER ERROR DIALOG!!! I tried it on two different browsers. Seems to happen the most on your About page for some reason. This is your #1 problem. I tried to leave your site using my back button got an error dialog popup. You must have an exit capture script that is broken. This is very likely why you were deindexed. Google hates those things even when they do work, but this one looks like you are getting stuck.
    2. Lose the duplicate content.
    3. Lose the opt-in capture popup. I've heard other people complain that their site dropped in rank after adding one of those.
    4. Your disclaimer link in your footer doesn't work. You have some bizarre syntax there.
    5. You have some pages that are 100% iframes of other sites. Makes it hard to navigate. Why are you iframing those anyway? You should just be able to link to them directly with your affiliate link. Makes your site look sneaky.
    6. You are using the Apple logo for your site thumbnail image. You never know, Apple might have been a copyright claim against your site. Seems unlikely, but take it down anyway.
    7. Make sure you aren't doing anything sneaky like serving different content to Googlebot than regular users like me.
    Don't forget that Google wants a quality experience for people using the search engine and that site doesn't cut it in the eyes of a Google, no offense. I'd strongly suggest you fix the problems noted above then wait at least a month before you submit a reconsideration request. You may have been deindexed by an algorithm (not a human) and if you can fix it without a human at Google seeing that site, you are far better off.
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

      I took a look. You don't have any obvious technical problems that I could find, robots.txt looks good and such.

      Here is the stuff you really want to fix before you resubmit for reconsideration:
      1. USING THE BACK BUTTON ON YOUR SITE POPS A BROWSER ERROR DIALOG!!! I tried it on two different browsers. Seems to happen the most on your About page for some reason. This is your #1 problem. I tried to leave your site using my back button got an error dialog popup. You must have an exit capture script that is broken. This is very likely why you were deindexed. Google hates those things even when they do work, but this one looks like you are getting stuck.
      2. Lose the duplicate content.
      3. Lose the opt-in capture popup. I've heard other people complain that their site dropped in rank after adding one of those.
      4. Your disclaimer link in your footer doesn't work. You have some bizarre syntax there.
      5. You have some pages that are 100% iframes of other sites. Makes it hard to navigate. Why are you iframing those anyway? You should just be able to link to them directly with your affiliate link. Makes your site look sneaky.
      6. You are using the Apple logo for your site thumbnail image. You never know, Apple might have been a copyright claim against your site. Seems unlikely, but take it down anyway.
      7. Make sure you aren't doing anything sneaky like serving different content to Googlebot than regular users like me.
      Don't forget that Google wants a quality experience for people using the search engine and that site doesn't cut it in the eyes of a Google, no offense. I'd strongly suggest you fix the problems noted above then wait at least a month before you submit a reconsideration request. You may have been deindexed by an algorithm (not a human) and if you can fix it without a human at Google seeing that site, you are far better off.
      Thanks for your review.

      1) [*]Error with Backbutton
      This is strange. I don´t have a exit capture script. I´ve updated the Theme of the site already but the error comes once in a while when using Firefox and Chrome. When using IE 9 I get no error at all. Don´t know where to search. Any Idea? It´s only a small Messagebox that pops up and says ERROR, but no header or anything that explains the ERROR.

      2) [*]Lose the duplicate content.
      What duplicate content do you mean?

      3) [*]Lose the opt-in capture popup
      Have the popup disabled. I don´t believe that this kind of popup is that evil. It´s used on a lot of sites. Will do more research on this.

      4) [*]Your disclaimer link in your footer doesn't work
      Fixed.

      5) [*]You have some pages that are 100% iframes of other sites...
      I cloak the affiliate Links with WP Ninja Links. The links are shorter and look better and I can change the links in one central place. These kind of software is also used by other IM Gurus (E Brian Rose comes to mind who uses the same cloaking software under another name).

      6) [*]You are using the Apple logo...
      Have changed the Favicon.

      7) [*]Make sure you aren't doing anything sneaky...
      Yes Sir Haven´t done this.

      In the Meantime I´ve deleted around 700 Posts from the blog that were inserted by the Autoblogging Software. These posts had no or only very few traffic. By playing around with these posts I suddenly get a big red page with a red Stop Sign displayed by google-chrome that says something like "You are linking to Website "Hot Local News" that is known for Malware. Are you sure you want to open...".

      I´ve deleted that post. Maybe that bad link was a reason too for the de-indexing.
      Will check the remaining 250 posts tomorrow.


      Thanks again
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
    Why would yo do such craziness?

    No site on earth would receive such link velocity within a few days...

    The other factor might be what you used for your nuking...eg. garbage articles/duplicate content? This might play a role also.

    Look...its so simple:

    You receive an incredible number links (and links linking to the links) AND profiles and RSS and whatever you do with Senuke.

    In addition, you go full out with this a few days in a row.

    GOOGLE sees the amazing surge of backlinks...and a quick automatic analysis shows they are ALL from web2.0, profiles, etc..trash, garbage PR0 or PR1 links.

    It doesn't take rocket science to conclude there is something "not normal" going on, NOT if such a crazy backlinking would'nt be (AT LEAST!) be backed by several extreme good, high PR authority backlinks. (Which would explain such a link surge, eg. if you would all of a sudden have a link on wikpedia etc.)

    But it is not, its only zillions of web2.0 links.

    People...THINK <---

    Sorry...being harsh...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
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    Sandbox/Dance is NORMAL, especially after Xrumer blasts. No ranking change without seeing some drops first...
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    I did never use any automation tool...in my life cause they are just a waste of your money and time...I am having huge success without using any automation tools...like senuke..so next time do backlinks manually and you will be fine...
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

    Hi
    Very sad day today.
    My main site with 800 unique visitors a day disappeared out of the Google Index.

    With that I mean when I google for “site:www.mysite.com” without the quotes, there shows up nothing.

    The site has around 60 pages that are optimized for one keyword each. The domain has PR2 and is about 9 years old. (Bought in 02/11)

    In the past 2,5 month I´ve done a lot of backlinking to the Main-page and to the other keyword optimized pages. Yahoo is showing around 1950 backlinks already. I´ve also made a lot of backlinks to Web 2.0 properties to shield my site.

    But then comes SEnuke X along.
    I´ve read here and in other forums that there is nothing like the Google Sandbox or Google Deindexing and Backlinks can never hurt you. (man was I wrong)

    So I decided to do a little bit nuking for my site.
    Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

    That´s it. On 04/27/11 after around 300 Visitors, Google kicked me out of the Index.
    That site made me around $200 this month in Adsense and Clickbank. Yesterday was 0,01 in Adsense.


    I have two other sites that are Google Sandboxed since February and Beginning of April.
    By Sandboxed I mean they show up in the google index but are on page 500 or elsewhere. These two sites are not nuked but I have bought Backlink packs at fiverr or Warriorforum. (Xrumer…)

    Don´t let that happen to you!
    Please keep attention to what you are doing to your sites. I can guarantee you that it is a very bad feeling when your sites are not found in google any more.

    Any suggestions on what I can do to get my sites back in the Big G again?
    And/or what can I do to not let this happen again to my other new sites that I´ll build?
    How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?

    Thanks Chris
    Sounds like senuke is very powerful. Can we hire you to run campaigns for my competitors? Because if what you are saying is correct then we can start taking our competitors rankings down.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Sounds like senuke is very powerful. Can we hire you to run campaigns for my competitors? Because if what you are saying is correct then we can start taking our competitors rankings down.

      We're about to see what XR might do to some folks - just to prove one way or another. Just a -50 penalty would suffice :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        We're about to see what XR might do to some folks - just to prove one way or another. Just a -50 penalty would suffice :-)
        We have sites where the only backlinks we have to it are from xrumer links. We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly. Right now xrumer is actually pretty solid.

        After grabbing over 2000 page one rankings for Warriors in the last 11 months I have come to the conclusion that Google doesn't care about web spam whatsoever. They only care about the quality of the sites reaching the serps. So if you see a site deindexed from ranking it's always onpage seo related. A lot of times too folks will backlink to their site and get it to page one only to have it pop up on Google's radar and it's then their onpage issues are found. So they get deindexed.
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        • Profile picture of the author scoopy
          Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

          We have sites where the only backlinks we have to it are from xrumer links. We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly. Right now xrumer is actually pretty solid.
          Can someone explain what this man is saying here what does he mean by

          We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly.

          thanks

          -Scoopy
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          • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
            Originally Posted by scoopy View Post

            Can someone explain what this man is saying here what does he mean by

            We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly.
            thanks
            -Scoopy
            Hi Scoopy

            he has sites that he only build backlinks too with Xrumer.
            He also has sites that he builds links too only with UAW...
            That way he can see what links or services are good or bad and do work.


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            • Profile picture of the author Enzo Ewens
              Hi Chris,

              You've Got FUll Monty in Full Blast, That's a month schedule of campaign. By the Way your ASM Software is Cool but still needs more tweaks. But I think it has a great potential.

              Keep the faith.

              Cheers!
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              • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
                Originally Posted by Enzo Ewens View Post

                You've Got FUll Monty in Full Blast, That's a month schedule of campaign.
                Hi Enzo

                yes, that could be the reason why there rang a Alarmbell at Google. My sites were climbing fast and someone at Google found an Error with my site.


                By the Way your ASM Software is Cool but still needs more tweaks. But I think it has a great potential.
                Keep the faith.
                Cheers!
                Haven´t worked on it lately. The de-indexing has made me feal really bad. So much work for that one site and then bang.
                But now the Sun is shining and I will setup other sites and work on the Program again.

                Have bought your SEnuke X SEO Video Course already. Lot´s of good stuff but also very advanced. Have to watch the videos again for a better understanding.

                Thanks for your kind words.

                Best Regards
                Chris
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            • Profile picture of the author arnold55
              I am in the same position. My best performing site that was earning $120 plus dollars a day and had 6 pages indexed in google lost all of the indexing. It had been receiving around a 1000 visits a day and dropped to an average of maybe 2 visits a day.

              I tried everything from crawling the site using the google webmaster tools to resubmitting. It has been since May and still nothing. You can type in the url in a google search and the site will come up, but when you use your SQ or SEO tools it shows no indexed pages in google.

              But....since that time the same site is increasingly doing better in yahoo and bing!

              I have no choice but to wait it out.

              Good Luck!

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              • Profile picture of the author RayW
                Originally Posted by arnold55 View Post

                I am in the same position. My best performing site that was earning $120 plus dollars a day and had 6 pages indexed in google lost all of the indexing. It had been receiving around a 1000 visits a day and dropped to an average of maybe 2 visits a day.

                I tried everything from crawling the site using the google webmaster tools to resubmitting. It has been since May and still nothing. You can type in the url in a google search and the site will come up, but when you use your SQ or SEO tools it shows no indexed pages in google.

                But....since that time the same site is increasingly doing better in yahoo and bing!

                I have no choice but to wait it out.

                Good Luck!

                arnold55
                What did you do that made your site's traffic decrease that much?
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                • Profile picture of the author arnold55
                  I did not do anything! Just one day "BAM"...scary

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              • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
                Originally Posted by arnold55 View Post

                I am in the same position. My best performing site that was earning $120 plus dollars a day and had 6 pages indexed in google lost all of the indexing. It had been receiving around a 1000 visits a day and dropped to an average of maybe 2 visits a day.

                I tried everything from crawling the site using the google webmaster tools to resubmitting. It has been since May and still nothing. You can type in the url in a google search and the site will come up, but when you use your SQ or SEO tools it shows no indexed pages in google.

                But....since that time the same site is increasingly doing better in yahoo and bing!

                I have no choice but to wait it out.

                Good Luck!

                arnold55
                Sad to hear that.

                When you type into google:
                site:www.yoursite.com

                it should show you your 6 pages.
                If it does, your site is "only" in the sandbox and will come back. Simply do more backlinks on a steady and daily basis. Don´t overnuke something like I have done.

                If none of your pages will be displayed with that search, than you are deindexed.
                That is what happend to me.

                The reason is not SEnukeX directly.
                It´s SEnukeX in-directly. SEnukeX drove lot´s of visitors to my site. The traffic has gone up from 100 uniques a day to 800 uniques a day in a few days.
                That caught the attention of one Google Guy and they manually visited my site.

                The Google-God-Guy found:
                • A few hundred auto generated pages mixed in between 48 Original content pages.
                • 10.000 auto generated comments to these pages
                • A few of these Auto-Pages had links to a Site that was a suspect of distributing Malware. That´s really funny. You get a big red Warning Sign if you attempt to visit such a site. And my page was linking to these stinkers
                • The site was overloaded with Clickbank Links
                • The site was overloaded with Adsense advertising
                • The site has a popup that wants people to sign up to a newsletter
                • The site has a few Amazon affiliate links as well
                • The Wordpress- Theme had a few errors
                • The site was slowly loading (hundreds of plugins...)
                • maybe something more I couldn´t think of in this moment

                In this case too much of a good thing wasn´t beautiful.
                BANG
                The Google-Guy kicked me out of the index.

                Now I´ve been waiting for the next manual inspection.

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                • Profile picture of the author arnold55
                  Yep....I can type in the url in a google search and all of the pages are there.It has been three months (about) since I entered the sand box. When and if I ever get out of the sand box I will let everyone know how long and what I did.

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                  • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
                    Just got a reply from the Google Team.
                    My sites stays de-indexed
                    As usual no hint what´s wrong with my site that is against their TOS.

                    In the next step I now will disable all posts but only 5 (as hinted by Enzo).
                    Will also disable all Adsense and all clickbank links.

                    Hopefully I get this done until the weekend.

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        • Profile picture of the author bertyounger
          Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

          After grabbing over 2000 page one rankings for Warriors in the last 11 months I have come to the conclusion that Google doesn't care about web spam whatsoever. They only care about the quality of the sites reaching the serps. So if you see a site deindexed from ranking it's always onpage seo related. A lot of times too folks will backlink to their site and get it to page one only to have it pop up on Google's radar and it's then their onpage issues are found. So they get deindexed.
          Not sure what you mean by onpage SEO issues?
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh MacDonald
    Your site should appear over a few months, just let it age. Maybe it will only take days/weeks. Just let it sit, don't build backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author brendan9971
    bummer man. i'm sorry to hear about your de-indexing. I would, as other people have said, suggest not using automated programs to link directly to your money site. Instead, build a wall of web2.0 properties around the money site and link those directly. and then set up your backlinks to go to your web2.0 wall. good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author amujtabaa
    Why would you run an entire full monty in a day. It's should be spread over a minimum of 7 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    So are we all in agreement that the reason the op's site was deindexed was because of his autoblogging software and not because he used senuke?
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      So are we all in agreement that the reason the op's site was deindexed was because of his autoblogging software and not because he used senuke?
      Yes, it appears to be other issues, nothing to do with backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      So are we all in agreement that the reason the op's site was deindexed was because of his autoblogging software and not because he used senuke?
      Unfortunately not all autoblogging software was created equal and by the sounds of it I would agree in this case that the AB software is probably the culprit.

      Most of the programs out there for AB werent designed to distinguish good from bad when it concerns links. If the software he used posted poor quality content and that content came from a bad neighborhood then it could very well have been the AB software that raised a red flag which caused a human review which led to being deindexed...
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  • Profile picture of the author BaltimoreDave
    I'm using scrape box right now, and I'm only submitting to 2000 blogs/day/ site. I get about 10 links, and then I wait a few days until I do it again. I feel like this sort of spamming is frowned upon by blog owners and google, so I've decided to use scrape box for finding good, relative, accepting blogs...Then I outsource my blog commenting for $.30 a pop.
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    • Profile picture of the author brendan9971
      Originally Posted by BaltimoreDave View Post

      I'm using scrape box right now, and I'm only submitting to 2000 blogs/day/ site. I get about 10 links, and then I wait a few days until I do it again. I feel like this sort of spamming is frowned upon by blog owners and google, so I've decided to use scrape box for finding good, relative, accepting blogs...Then I outsource my blog commenting for $.30 a pop.
      this is a fantastic idea actually. i prefer to do manual blog posts (or outsource them) but i've been stuck at trying to find decent blogs. thanks for the tip.
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  • Profile picture of the author brendan9971
    That's good. Don't be discouraged. Just move on, work on some other stuff for a while and maybe come back to this site later and work on it again.
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Today I´ve got a reply from wmt-noreply@google.com. I´m guessing the wmt means WebMasterTeam.

      It´s only a default blabla where it says one or more pages are against the Google Quality rules and I have to change that. After that I can put my site on for a new review.
      That´s it. No hint WHAT is against their rules. The site remains de-Indexed as before.

      When I think about it, here is what happened that leads to the de-Indexing.
      I´ve done SEnuke and other outsourced backlinking to my site. The rankings where improving constantly. That rang a Bell at google. They checked my site and found something that was against their Quality rules and de-Indexed my site. It was not the SEnuking as is but the improving ranks.

      But what was that BAD thing I´ve done? I´ve decided to show you guys the site. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

      AllBeFit dot com

      Any help is welcome. I will read the Google Webmaster Rules again and then will do a major overhaul of my site again.

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author MarkSveik
        Just an idea, but it might work. Do Adwords campaign with your keywords to your money site.

        My site was rolling along, getting up in ranking...page 2 of google on 130K monthly searches keywords, and - got sandboxes, not in top 100.

        Running Adwords now, and guess what? Back to my page 2 on all the keywords. Haven't built any new links or added content since the drop.

        Just wondering what's going to happen when I stop running Adwords - back to never-never land?
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        • Profile picture of the author BrainCandy
          Super interesting thread. This is just the stuff I was looking for as my site disappeared today as well.

          It climbed constantly and I write quality content almost every day for the last two month. So yesterday ranked #14 for my main keyword. Today nothing is found - although I have not really been builing a lot of links over the last week.

          I have changed one thing though - cloaking affiliate links in an iFrame. The reason for this is to use Analytics to see how many visitors click on them AND see how long they stay on the other site...

          Maybe not a good idea. I will leave it like this and report back in a week.

          Funny thing is that the site is still be found when I do site:myurl.com. Also subpages are still in the index and rank ok. It seems to be just he main domain.

          Strange is - however - that when I use the ranking tool of Market Samurai it says that I have NO backlinks. Yesterday there were 800...

          Any clues?
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          • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
            Originally Posted by BrainCandy View Post

            Super interesting thread. This is just the stuff I was looking for as my site disappeared today as well.

            It climbed constantly and I write quality content almost every day for the last two month. So yesterday ranked #14 for my main keyword. Today nothing is found - although I have not really been builing a lot of links over the last week.

            I have changed one thing though - cloaking affiliate links in an iFrame. The reason for this is to use Analytics to see how many visitors click on them AND see how long they stay on the other site...

            Maybe not a good idea. I will leave it like this and report back in a week.

            Funny thing is that the site is still be found when I do site:myurl.com. Also subpages are still in the index and rank ok. It seems to be just he main domain.

            Strange is - however - that when I use the ranking tool of Market Samurai it says that I have NO backlinks. Yesterday there were 800...

            Any clues?

            Looks like you are in the sandbox.
            Just leave everything as is and do your new articles as usual. In a few Days you should be good again.

            That said, I use a link cloaking software too. Will be very interesting to see if your pages will come back.

            Best Regards
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

        Today I´ve got a reply from wmt-noreply@google.com. I´m guessing the wmt means WebMasterTeam.

        It´s only a default blabla where it says one or more pages are against the Google Quality rules and I have to change that. After that I can put my site on for a new review.
        That´s it. No hint WHAT is against their rules. The site remains de-Indexed as before.

        When I think about it, here is what happened that leads to the de-Indexing.
        I´ve done SEnuke and other outsourced backlinking to my site. The rankings where improving constantly. That rang a Bell at google. They checked my site and found something that was against their Quality rules and de-Indexed my site. It was not the SEnuking as is but the improving ranks.

        But what was that BAD thing I´ve done? I´ve decided to show you guys the site. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

        AllBeFit dot com

        Any help is welcome. I will read the Google Webmaster Rules again and then will do a major overhaul of my site again.

        Chris
        Hi Chris,

        I took a quick look and found a few small issues:
        • Improperly nested URL tags which could create problems with spiders.
        • One link with no content (could be part of the invalid code issue).
        • Doorway pages violation

        I think the most likely cause of de-indexing is the likely classification of your web pages as Doorway pages.
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        • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          • Improperly nested URL tags which could create problems with spiders.
          • One link with no content (could be part of the invalid code issue).
          • Doorway pages violation

          I think the most likely cause of de-indexing is the likely classification of your web pages as Doorway pages.
          Hi Don

          Can you explain these points a little bit more?
          I must admit I didn´t understand any of them.

          Chris
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          • Profile picture of the author dburk
            Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

            Hi Don

            Can you explain these points a little bit more?
            I must admit I didn´t understand any of them.

            Chris
            Hi Chris,

            Use this validator page to see where you have errors in your HTML so you can fix it. I looks like improperly nested HTML or unclosed tags:
            [Invalid] Markup Validation of http://www.allbefit.com/ - W3C Markup Validator

            You have a link created which contains no anchor text. You need to add anchor text to avoid looking like a hidden link. See the link with no content:
            Web Page Analyzer Tool for SEO | The Escape

            Don't create pages that serve only to channel or redirect search engine traffic to another page or website. This is what Google calls a "Doorway page" and is a violation of their guidelines. Create useful content on each page that provides something of value to the users. You can still link to your money page, just add value for users on each page as well.

            Cloaking, sneaky Javascript redirects, and doorway pages - Webmaster Tools Help
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            • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
              Originally Posted by dburk View Post

              Hi Chris,

              Use this validator page to see where you have errors in your HTML so you can fix it. I looks like improperly nested HTML or unclosed tags:
              [Invalid] Markup Validation of http://www.allbefit.com/ - W3C Markup Validator

              You have a link created which contains no anchor text. You need to add anchor text to avoid looking like a hidden link. See the link with no content:
              Web Page Analyzer Tool for SEO | The Escape

              Don't create pages that serve only to channel or redirect search engine traffic to another page or website. This is what Google calls a "Doorway page" and is a violation of their guidelines. Create useful content on each page that provides something of value to the users. You can still link to your money page, just add value for users on each page as well.

              Cloaking, sneaky Javascript redirects, and doorway pages - Webmaster Tools Help

              Hi Don

              wow, wow, wow lots of techi stuff.

              I checked a few sites and tried to fix the errors.
              Have to check a lot more sites.
              One Error was from the aWeber code. Deleted it completely.

              Can´t find the blank link. Will search more over the weekend.

              Also I don´t think I have Doorway pages. Do you have one particular page in mind?


              Thanks again
              Chris
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              • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
                I'm pretty sure you originally got deindexed because of that bad page that Chrome flagged.

                Overall, I think this thread serves as a reminder that malicious or bad on-page content is more likely to get you deindexed/sandboxed than building a bunch of backlinks. Spamming backlinks might possibly get you reviewed, but it definitely seems as if you won't get deindexed because of it.

                Keep an eye on what's going on with your websites and you should be fine!
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                • Profile picture of the author h0ms
                  ChrisWF,

                  You serve Google ads on your website but your privacy policy doesn't mention anything about Google and it's cookies.

                  That's just one more thing for you to fix.
                  More info here: http://www.google.com/support/adsens...?answer=100557

                  If you get a manual check of your website then this is surely going to be an issue aswell as the other things the other users pointed out.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
                    Thank you, fixed that.

                    That disclaimer was there before but somehow "magically" dissapeared.

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              • Profile picture of the author dburk
                Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

                Hi Don

                wow, wow, wow lots of techi stuff.

                I checked a few sites and tried to fix the errors.
                Have to check a lot more sites.
                One Error was from the aWeber code. Deleted it completely.

                Can´t find the blank link. Will search more over the weekend.

                Also I don´t think I have Doorway pages. Do you have one particular page in mind?


                Thanks again
                Chris
                Hi Chris,

                Some of your pages prominently feature multiple links to the same external website, without providing anything of value outside of following those links to the other website. That fits the classic definition (Google's definition) of a doorway page.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kaspars Leinis
                Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

                Hi Don

                wow, wow, wow lots of techi stuff.

                I checked a few sites and tried to fix the errors.
                Have to check a lot more sites.
                One Error was from the aWeber code. Deleted it completely.

                Can´t find the blank link. Will search more over the weekend.

                Also I don´t think I have Doorway pages. Do you have one particular page in mind?


                Thanks again
                Chris
                Hi Chris,

                I noticed you load product site in an iframe, also you do not use "rel=nofollow" tag for affiliate links.

                I would suggest you to change that to normal 301 redirect using e.g.
                this free "gocodes" plugin
                WordPress › GoCodes « WordPress Plugins

                Make sure to choose option to "noindex, nofollow" redirect pages using plugin's config option.

                I also noticed you have added nofollow tags to some internal links to your normal blogposts -- IMO these should be removed to pass internal link juice.

                Seo Quake Firefox plugin shows which links are nofollow.

                Also it is important to add some links to authority sites like wikipedia, about.com -- some high PR relevant content. This will tell google that your site provides some benefit to users apart from linking to affiliate sites.

                I have seen top rankings for pages having only big lists of links to authority sites relevant to niche and small descriptions with almost no backlinks to the page itself.

                Best,
                Kaspars
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              • Profile picture of the author Kaspars Leinis
                Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

                Hi Don

                Can´t find the blank link. Will search more over the weekend.

                Also I don´t think I have Doorway pages. Do you have one particular page in mind?


                Thanks again
                Chris
                Here is your blank link on front page:
                Code:
                <a rel="nofollow" title="How to lose weight" href="">How to lose weight</a>
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

    Don´t let that happen to you!
    Please keep attention to what you are doing to your sites. I can guarantee you that it is a very bad feeling when your sites are not found in google any more.
    Happens quite often no matter what the local service sellers are telling you. I haven't seen anyone debunk what you claim at all. HOWEVER whats often missed is that its never just the backlinking alone. Thats just one possible signal/step that is combined with others. The mistake that people make is they always think in single issues not layers.

    So I don't have any doubt that what you are saying happened and happened in part from mass backlinking. Of course no one can say fro sure. Frankly there have been ton loads of people who have had their sites fall for MONTHS and even get deindexed and theres always the similiar crowd claiming mass backlinking had nothing to do with it even when it happened in direct response to that campaign.

    Now they ARE right in one respect. It probably would not happen isolated form everything else but when in life is that ever the case? You can have a low quality site and suddenly its ranking. Either the algo has something that tags the site - something onsite or perhaps it gets reviewed. then the backlinks are checked and its clearly what google considers spam. two strikes and now you are out. Might be three or even four. think layers not a single factor. multiple causes of which mass spam links are just one but still part of it.

    Now Let me give you one scenario that happens probably every day and anyone that disputes it doesn't have a clue .

    Lets say you rank 22 and do a run and lets say you take out the number three guy and drop him to four. his traffic drops and well he's a Google fearing business that plays by all the rules google sets up. Now what does he do? Say well gee whiz golly I guess I'll take the loss or join in with those I considered spammers before?

    nah man. Come back to the real world. Just like when you try and build a second story in your one story zoned community most neighbors aren't going to say - Oh well I like the shade and maybe I'll build a second story too.

    Nope. they call zoning and get you to take it down. So your competitor drops a line over at Google webspam . they see your site is garbage and the links and don't think twice about deep sixing you. they could care less. the backlinks AND the quality of the site give you away.

    There are ton loads of niches where the webmasters are not going to sit idly by. You may for rank awhile and them bam you get slapped.

    How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?

    Thanks Chris
    Don't. Why bother? Go over to some backling forums and you will see many people (granted not all) crying that post Panda II their sites are falling. Go to the "backlinks" serps that Angela used to be number one for and you won't find anyone in the top five that isn't using bought links with PR. Poor xrummer service provider result can't rank more than 8th on a serp that used to be ruled by profile linkers.

    At $149 a month within a year you could build your own network, with paid contextual links and Aged domains with PR. from there you can rent out links to others and continue to invest the cash from it to continue to build your network. Want to use Xrummer use it on sites you don't care about ranking and pump them up to feed juice to another site but there are better quicker ways of using that cash over the next 12 months.

    and of course you have to fix those on site issues. Its the combination that may well have sunk you .

    another perspective to look at.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    The only thing I don't understand is why G didn't devalue (or even penalise) forum profile backlinks a LONG time ago. They are such an easy footprint to detect. If you doubt that Google's algo can and does parse forums of all footprints (whether programmed to recognise specific footprints - vBulletin, phpBB etc. or some 'generic' way of telling what's a forum and what's not), then just do a Google search and choose 'Discussions' from the left sidebar as your search filter. Even their dumb algo can obviously very easily tell what a forum looks like!

    And it's one of the most obvious backlinking patterns to penalise - why in heaven's name would 50,000 people be registered at different forums, all listing the same site as their homepage?! Unlike many other backlinking methods, there is literally NO possible natural explanation for it - penalising it would not affect ANYONE 'innocent'.

    Just my two cents - I say all this from the perspective of someone who has never used automated profile links (must admit to a VERY few judicious manual links here and there), I consider it spam and would rather finally see a level playing field in this area...
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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    Something you might want to look into -- it seems you are promoting a Clickbank weight loss product. I read something here on the Warrior Forum about Google slapping sites that promote "health" products from Clickbank.

    I did a quick search and couldn't find any info, but I'm positive that I read that (unless I'm going crazy). ... You might do a more extensive search or start your own thread.

    If that's true (that Google is slapping CB health related sites), then you should find that out right away. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time looking at other things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    Here's a thread that says something about Clickbank: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...happening.html
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  • Profile picture of the author mysteryleaves
    its only the dance in theory anyone could blast 1000,s of links to any site in their same niche, if it worked everyone would be doing it to their competitors , so dont worry things will settle down
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  • Profile picture of the author ZaneZenMaster
    Well; if you site still hasn't been reindexed, here's some tips on using SENuke Smart.

    Make it look as if it's a human doing the work, so take advantage of the scheduling..
    Don't do 10 runs in one day... Do a run of a Social Networking Module, one day then the next one the next day so on and so forth.
    Take advantage of the proxy tool; you should change your proxy after every run of a same module, i.e Social Networks.
    So add a Toolbox between each run to change proxy and clearn cache and cookies...
    Also make sure you do each run realistically by doing so incrementally. No real person can do so much that fast like SENuke can, so make the sites you submit to believe that it's a human doing it.

    If you do it incrementally, and change proxy.. it's virtually impossible for them to tell that you're a spammer.
    So think about it, n' use SENuke X wise.. It is an amazing tool.
    SENuke is able to do a whole lot if used wisly.


    Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOguymike
    Totally untrue how senuke will ruin this site, if it's dancing around after a few days, try to build high quality backlinks using high PR pages, otherwise don't even worry about it. If this is the reason why your site is dancing, why won't thousands of other affiliate marketers use this method to derank their competitions.....you can't deindex your site unless you really go overboard and leave a sloppy blueprint, like spamming everywhere but in most cases, if you are just doing minor work google will not deindex your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author milton11011
    mann goodluck with that. google is terrible at communicating with you so post an update if you somehow manage to get reranked at something decent.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Only advice is to do what you did initially minus the bit that you feel got you sandboxed, Google has always strived to thwart attempts at automation
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  • Profile picture of the author arie_ds
    Hi Chris, what is the update for your website, is your website coming back again in SERP and traffic?

    Tks
    Arie
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by arie_ds View Post

      Hi Chris, what is the update for your website, is your website coming back again in SERP and traffic?

      Tks
      Arie
      Nothing new. Still deindexed.
      Wrote to the google-team on 06/17/11 for reinclusion in the Index.
      Now waiting for an answer.

      Thanks to all

      Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author superdevo
    I was wondering if the Indexer module on SEnuke leaves a footprint?
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It is always a good idea to know exactly what promotion is being done to your site and more importantly where your links are being placed to prevent this kind of thing happening, it wouldn't be out of bounds for unscrupulous IMs who know that this will happen to advertise these types of promotion hoping to monetise on it regardless
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  • Profile picture of the author Enzo Ewens
    Hi Chris,

    Here's my Tip (But Take this advice on your own risk)

    1. Backup the site
    2. Delete Everything
    3. Wait 24 Hours
    4. Ping Your Site
    5. Wait 24 Hours
    6. Install Wordpress
    7. Add 5 Unique Content
    8. Submit High Quality Backlinks or just 2 Simple Social Bookmarks
    9. Add Content Daily for 2 Weeks
    10. Wait...

    Just my 2 cents

    - Then let me know what happened. If you got it indexed you owe me a testimonial
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by Enzo Ewens View Post

      Hi Chris,

      Here's my Tip (But Take this advice on your own risk)

      1. Backup the site
      2. Delete Everything
      3. Wait 24 Hours
      4. Ping Your Site
      5. Wait 24 Hours
      6. Install Wordpress
      7. Add 5 Unique Content
      8. Submit High Quality Backlinks or just 2 Simple Social Bookmarks
      9. Add Content Daily for 2 Weeks
      10. Wait...

      Just my 2 cents

      - Then let me know what happened. If you got it indexed you owe me a testimonial
      Hi Enzo

      I really would hate to do that, because of all the work I have done in the past and now have to do.

      Yesterday I got an reply from the Google Webmaster Team. No personal Email. Only the default Mail that says my site had undergone a new inspection and they consider it to be against the Google Quality Rules.
      They will leave it out of the Index.
      I can change my site to the Google Webmaster Quality Rules and apply for a new inspection.

      No hint what is wrong.

      I hate these Google Gods.

      But you are right. I have to setup my site completely new.
      I will start from scratch and take another Theme without any clickbank stuff and without Adsense and upload 5 unique Articles.

      Then I will ask for reinclusion in the Index.

      When that works I will slowly add more unique Articles.

      Thanks Enzo and have a nice weekend.

      Christoph

      P.S. Will PM you with a SEnuke thing we have to talk about
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It may simply be a case that you are under going a Google Dance, but just in case it's always a good idea to know which sites your links are being promoted on to avoid things like these
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      It may simply be a case that you are under going a Google Dance, but just in case it's always a good idea to know which sites your links are being promoted on to avoid things like these
      No Googledance. My site is definitly not in the Google Main-Index anymore.
      Go to Google and do this search:

      Code:
      site:www.allbefit.com
      There you have it. No nothing.
      If you are in the middle of the Google Dance than there will be your pages listet after that query.

      When I look into the Google Webmaster Tools I can see the sitemap.xml is submitted with 338 Urls. In Index: 0


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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It's always a great idea to find out where your links are being promoted when buying or utilising services such as these to prevent this from happening
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  • Profile picture of the author belgianguy
    Like some have mentioned above, it is almost impossible to build to many links. Google doesn't want you to do that, but can't do anything about it. If you could get punished for this, everyone would be spamming his competitors.
    Some time ago, Google officially declared buying links as a no-go. Businesses selling links tripled their revenue overnight and they are still making a lot of money.
    There must be another reason for your site getting deindexed.

    Last year, one of my sites got hacked and I didn't notice. Someone had added pages to my site with viagra, p*nis enlargement, ... ads. I didn't notice till my traffic dropped overnight. Google had deindexed my site because I was violating the adsense TOS.
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisWF
      Today I finally cleaned up the site.
      I´ve deleted the last 160 auto Posts and 10.000 comments.
      Also deleted some advertising and disabled most of the SEO plugins.

      Now only 48 "Original" Posts are left.

      Send a Mail to Mighty G. and now have to wait another week or two.


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      • Profile picture of the author frogman
        Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

        Today I finally cleaned up the site.
        I´ve deleted the last 160 auto Posts and 10.000 comments.
        Also deleted some advertising and disabled most of the SEO plugins.

        Now only 48 "Original" Posts are left.

        Send a Mail to Mighty G. and now have to wait another week or two.


        Chris
        Auto posting (a big on-site no-no) can kill a site pretty quick after a manual review.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
    Originally Posted by ChrisWF View Post

    Hi
    So I decided to do a little bit nuking for my site.
    Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
    Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

    How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?
    With that many links in such an insanely short period of time I am not surprised.

    It has nothing to do with the promotion software, if you created the same number of backlinks in that short time frame manually you would have gotten the same result.

    The higher the number of links created, the longer the time you need to spread the submission over.

    With SENukeX you can set up campaigns to run over time. Instead of just blasting the internet with a huge number of backlinks quickly, set your campaign to run over 14 or 30 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Apollo-Articles
    800 UV a day and only $200 a month? You should first work on getting more people to click!

    Google often sandboxes you if you have a huge amount of identical anchor links pointing to the same site.

    Try doing more links only this time instead of your anchor text just put your sites URL or the word "Here" and "this site" (linked to your site) once the ratio has been tipped slightly you might just find your back in the running.

    Good-luck,

    Sam
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  • That certainly hurts, but try not to worry too much. It can take anywhere for 2 weeks to 3 months to get out of the box. Advice is to keep creating backlinks with the program. Be consistent. When your site bounced back, it'll most likely be page 1 position 9 or greater. Just keep doing what you've been doing. If you do full monties, keep doing them one a week for 3 weeks, then switch it up with another diagram for another 3 weeks. BE CONSISTENT and keep bulding a diversity of links. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordyhill
    Hey Chris,

    Sorry to hear about the troubles you've been having lately. I had a site deindexed for about 4 weeks earlier this year. I-framing software I was using was to blame. After removing it and reverting back to my Wordpress blog, I was back in business within days. But after reading this thread I now know it was because real web surfers were seeing something different to what the Google Bot was reading.

    That will teach me for trying to be clever :-)

    This thread has been of real value, I'm sure a lot of webmasters reading this have learned a thing or 2, I certainly have. I'm just sorry it was to the cost of your site.

    I do hope things get back on track soon for you!

    Thank you and all the best

    Jordy
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  • Profile picture of the author JawadAshraf
    Never blast too many links directly to your site otherwise your site will be de-indexed or sand-boxed liked this. There is a proper secret way to get benefit of these blasts which you need to learn or have to figure it out yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobmcalister
      Originally Posted by JawadAshraf View Post

      Never blast too many links directly to your site otherwise your site will be de-indexed or sand-boxed liked this. There is a proper secret way to get benefit of these blasts which you need to learn or have to figure it out yourself.
      so, why not share that information with us? I am old and cranky, and when I read something like...I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT NOT GOING TO TELL YOU , I feel another WSo coming on...jeeeZ
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  • Profile picture of the author renegadetmj
    HI Chris, it sounds like Im in the same position as you. on of my sites fell out of the index about 6 weeks ago and shows no sign of coming back. My issue was that i manually blitzed the site with backlinks but only used my keyword phrase as anchor rather than mixing it up. I'm currently using BMR to create some high PR links and Im using all sorts of related anchors but nothing similar to my keyword phrase. I've heard that this can help brings things back into balance and solve the sandbox isue. Time will tell I guess - I let you know if the site ever resurfaces...
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  • Profile picture of the author bobmcalister
    I am experimenting in FF with the reload plug in on a site that I can lose. seeing if the site has a ton of traffic all of a sudden what happens. anyone know about this ? thanks
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