Are profile links still working?? - Just found out - No they are not!

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Hey guys..


I had a daily strong backlink dose using AMR to one of my sites and the site was improving its rank pretty well.

I was in the 21st position before 2 days,

Then what happened was that I decided to speed up the process and blasted only 3000 profile backlinks to my site.

I even did not ping them.

And guess what happened - Way it went to the 102nd position...

So..my question is whether profile links are working as they used to?

Is this because of the PANDA update??

Please advice..

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Jermaine Tabor
    Quality profile links still work.

    Just a little google dance.

    It will bounce back.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by Jermaine Tabor View Post

      Quality profile links still work.

      Just a little google dance.

      It will bounce back.

      Thank you so much for the kind words...

      I know it is the google dance..but I really had worked so on this and I suddenly got afraid that all my efforts went as a waste..

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
    Can anyone help here...?
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    • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
      The seo company I work for has stopped using them entirely. I am avoiding them as much as possible.

      If you want some autopilot links for your sites, I recommend my link club. Better than profiles and easy to put on autopilot.
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      • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
        Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

        The seo company I work for has stopped using them entirely. I am avoiding them as much as possible.

        If you want some autopilot links for your sites, I recommend my link club. Better than profiles and easy to put on autopilot.

        Dude..I was asking for help..not for your advertisements,
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        • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
          Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

          Dude..I was asking for help..not for your advertisements,
          That wasn't an ad. I don't give a crap what you buy. You probably can't afford us anyway.

          The point is, if a large company that does SEO for a living on highly competitive keywords is getting rid of forum profiles...that should probably tell you something.
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          • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
            Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

            That wasn't an ad. I don't give a crap what you buy. You probably can't afford us anyway.

            The point is, if a large company that does SEO for a living on highly competitive keywords is getting rid of forum profiles...that should probably tell you something.

            Now what makes you think I cannot afford you...LOL!

            Anyways..Buzz of.
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    • Profile picture of the author jazbo
      Why do you need help exactly? The first reply told you its a google dance, and you agreed it was!



      Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

      Can anyone help here...?
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      • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
        Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

        Why do you need help exactly? The first reply told you its a google dance, and you agreed it was!

        Yeah I agreed.

        But dont you understand that I agreed after I had recieved replies from so many warriors?

        Do you think I will know the answer to the question even before I ask it?

        Try not to act smart..you don't do it well.

        :p
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I have been noticing profiles stopped working for quite some time. There is no such thing as quality profile linking in my opinion. How can it be quality? LOL. Some people love profile links, that is a thing that will be changing very quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I have been noticing profiles stopped working for quite some time. There is no such thing as quality profile linking in my opinion. How can it be quality? LOL. Some people love profile links, that is a thing that will be changing very quickly.

      Yes..that was what I was also noticing..

      Is anyone else noticing the same trend??

      Is it because of the bloody PANDA??
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

        Yes..that was what I was also noticing..

        Is anyone else noticing the same trend??

        Is it because of the bloody PANDA??
        There are multiple reports of this through the internet particularly in SEO related forums. You are not alone. However as someone indicated it might not have affected you. its normal for sites to move up and down. I would suggest adding some High on page Pr backlinks as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          There are multiple reports of this through the internet particularly in SEO related forums. You are not alone. However as someone indicated it might not have affected you. its normal for sites to move up and down. I would suggest adding some High on page Pr backlinks as well.

          Thanks Mike!!!

          I am working on them...building some high PR backlinks..hope its going to revive my rank..!
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    • Profile picture of the author Clyde
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I have been noticing profiles stopped working for quite some time. There is no such thing as quality profile linking in my opinion. How can it be quality? LOL. Some people love profile links, that is a thing that will be changing very quickly.
      This.

      They lost their effectiveness after the Panda update. Either that or Google is just a mess at the moment.
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    • Profile picture of the author sirgeo
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I have been noticing profiles stopped working for quite some time. There is no such thing as quality profile linking in my opinion. How can it be quality? LOL. Some people love profile links, that is a thing that will be changing very quickly.
      Does that include .edu and .gov profile links?
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  • Profile picture of the author Miroslav Chodak
    Profile links work, if you can get/keep them indexed and with fresh cache date. They are not the best types of links, but they do work somewhat.

    What caused your drop is hard to say and it depends on several factors. Can you give us your site's URL? If not, what was your link profile before you created those 3000 profile links? Specifically: How many links you had? How many of them had your exact keyword in the anchor text?How many of the 3,000 new links had your exact keyword in the anchor text? And, finally, how old is your site?
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by Miroslav Chodak View Post

      Profile links work, if you can get/keep them indexed and with fresh cache date. They are not the best types of links, but they do work somewhat.

      What caused your drop is hard to say and it depends on several factors. Can you give us your site's URL? If not, what was your link profile before you created those 3000 profile links? Specifically: How many links you had? How many of them had your exact keyword in the anchor text?How many of the 3,000 new links had your exact keyword in the anchor text? And, finally, how old is your site?

      Here are the answers..

      I had many quality links coming in and they were of high PR.

      All the links had exact keyword as anchor text

      My site is almost 4 months old..

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

        Here are the answers..

        I had many quality links coming in and they were of high PR.

        All the links had exact keyword as anchor text

        My site is almost 4 months old..

        Thanks!
        Hi prats2992,

        I thought you were talking about profile backlinks, no? Generally speaking, profile backlinks are not quality links and they almost never have much PR when they are first created.

        So that begs the question, how did you create high PR profiles? I guessing that they are not high PR, if so, that nixes the claim of high PR backlinks.

        Since you website is only 4 months old it seems natural to think that you have simply experienced the temporary boost of QDF and now that it has worn off you are ranked exactly where you currently deserve to be ranked.

        This is not a penalty, it's just your currently earned rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by Miroslav Chodak View Post

      Profile links work, if you can get/keep them indexed and with fresh cache date. They are not the best types of links, but they do work somewhat.

      What caused your drop is hard to say and it depends on several factors. Can you give us your site's URL? If not, what was your link profile before you created those 3000 profile links? Specifically: How many links you had? How many of them had your exact keyword in the anchor text?How many of the 3,000 new links had your exact keyword in the anchor text? And, finally, how old is your site?
      It doesn't really matter, it isn't like google found them all anyway. Chances are maybe.... MAYBE... 50 of them have been indexed. Profiles are just very low quality, low benefit links. I notice that people who think they do amazing things, usually do a few different thing, notice SOMETHING working, but credit it to profile links. Then, a week... maybe a month later, the position is lost. Bye bye ranking, and they wonder why.

      Truth is, nobody is going to go to your profile(especially when the admins delete spam accounts), when you don't even contribute to the forum you're spamming. Most don't stay around long, and even if they do, they don't provide value, and they don't provide traffic. Do you really think Google is that dumb to give them the same value as they used to? They know people are gaming the system... So you might find a .edu or .gov forum... maybe high PR on the home page and you think thats awesome... you think wrong. PR doesn't trickly down throughout the domain anymore, and even if it did, the amount is so low on forums that it just doesn't matter.

      When getting links, instead of spamming low value worthless links that nobody is going to care about, you should get links where people might actually see it, and be interested. Not just giving you quality backlinks but bringing you high quality targeted traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Miroslav Chodak
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        It doesn't really matter, it isn't like google found them all anyway.
        I agree with everything you said, except for the "it doesn't really matter" statement. If all he did were profile links, then he IS ranking on the strength (better say, weakness) of those links.

        The drop in rankings could be caused by many factors, including Google dropping the indexed profiles. However, the fact that he flooded Google with xx times the number of previous links AND they all had the same anchor text is a text-book case of getting penalized for "over-optimized" anchor text. I have seen this happen many times and wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.

        @prats2992... To check whether this is the case, compare your position in Google with the position for allinanchor:keyword. If you see your allinanchor position way above your regular-search position, you've been likely penalized.

        My next-best hypothesis is that the drop is temporary and Google is working through all the new links to figure out where to place you next.
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        • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
          Originally Posted by Miroslav Chodak View Post


          @prats2992... To check whether this is the case, compare your position in Google with the position for allinanchor:keyword. If you see your allinanchor position way above your regular-search position, you've been likely penalized.
          You have helped me a LOT!

          Thanks..Yes..My site is penalized

          It is sitting on position 26 with allinanchor:keyword

          and sitting at 112 for the just - keyword.

          So this is proof that profile backlinks are indeed harming your site!

          Thanks!

          Now please tell me a solution for this - PLEASE!!!
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          • Profile picture of the author Miroslav Chodak
            Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

            It is sitting on position 26 with allinanchor:keyword

            and sitting at 112 for the just - keyword.

            So this is proof that profile backlinks are indeed harming your site!
            It is not the profile links that are harming your site. It is the anchor text you used. It is completely unnatural to have all incoming anchor text to have the same keyword, which is why Google knocked you down the SERPs.

            To correct that, you need to create a more natural link profile. Either change anchor text of at least half of your current links. Or double your link count with random anchor text.
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            • Profile picture of the author masterjani
              Originally Posted by Miroslav Chodak View Post

              It is not the profile links that are harming your site. It is the anchor text you used. It is completely unnatural to have all incoming anchor text to have the same keyword, which is why Google knocked you down the SERPs.

              To correct that, you need to create a more natural link profile. Either change anchor text of at least half of your current links. Or double your link count with random anchor text.
              This is really true.And create some inner pages with keyword in url.So that it looks natural to google.

              Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

              I did not do them in one day.

              I did them over 3 days..
              And three days is also a problem buddy.It needs to be 30 days.
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            • Profile picture of the author Chucky
              Originally Posted by Miroslav Chodak View Post

              It is not the profile links that are harming your site. It is the anchor text you used. It is completely unnatural to have all incoming anchor text to have the same keyword, which is why Google knocked you down the SERPs.

              To correct that, you need to create a more natural link profile. Either change anchor text of at least half of your current links. Or double your link count with random anchor text.
              Hey Miroslav,

              What took you so long to become a warrior?

              You have helped me a lot when I was a member of StomperNet a while back! I was very new at that time and your advice helped me rescue a site that had disappeared. Thank you again!

              I don't mean to hijack this thread, but your comment opens up a jar of worms that different people have different opinions about. The general belief is that off page factors whether you're talking about link quantity, quality or anchor text CANNOT harm you. Google can discount them and give you NO CREDIT. But Google canNOT penalize you. If Google does that people would target their competitors and build an unnatural link profile for them and get rid of them.

              I am not saying I agree with the above statement I wrote. I'm just saying that's the general belief. I believe there is a video where Matt Cutts also says something like this. Whether you want to believe what he says or not is a different story.

              However, I have seen people like Terry Kyle and Tom Goodwin say that they have noticed losses of rankings for the 'primary kw' when they build links using a 'secondary kw anchor text'.

              I myself have noticed this with my sites more than once. The thing is, I didn't do a controlled experiment so I cannot say with 100% certainty if the drop was caused by the secondary kw anchor text or some other independent factor/s.

              Regardless of what the truth is, this is what I do. For my home page and sticky post (my sticky post is always optimized for what I call the theme kw) I almost exclusively build links with primary kw anchor text only. Rarely, I would build a link with my name when I am commenting on a blog or something. Then for all the other posts, I would mix up the anchor text. Still, the clear majority is the primary anchor text, but about 20% (I'm just guessing, I don't track them that much) is a mixture of all kinds of secondary kw anchor texts. I think this approach is so far proving to be a winner.

              Another thing I'd like to mention before shutting up is domain age. The OP's domain is only 4 months old (unless he bought an existing aged one). It is also generally believed that once you have won Google's trust (trust rank or whatever), such relatively inferior links cannot bring you down unless there is a manual review right?

              Your expert view/advice on all what of the above would be greatly appreciated?

              Thanks!
              Chucky
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              • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
                Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

                Hey Miroslav,

                What took you so long to become a warrior?

                You have helped me a lot when I was a member of StomperNet a while back! I was very new at that time and your advice helped me rescue a site that had disappeared. Thank you again!

                I don't mean to hijack this thread, but your comment opens up a jar of worms that different people have different opinions about. The general belief is that off page factors whether you're talking about link quantity, quality or anchor text CANNOT harm you. Google can discount them and give you NO CREDIT. But Google canNOT penalize you. If Google does that people would target their competitors and build an unnatural link profile for them and get rid of them.

                I am not saying I agree with the above statement I wrote. I'm just saying that's the general belief. I believe there is a video where Matt Cutts also says something like this. Whether you want to believe what he says or not is a different story.

                However, I have seen people like Terry Kyle and Tom Goodwin say that they have noticed losses of rankings for the 'primary kw' when they build links using a 'secondary kw anchor text'.

                I myself have noticed this with my sites more than once. The thing is, I didn't do a controlled experiment so I cannot say with 100% certainty if the drop was caused by the secondary kw anchor text or some other independent factor/s.

                Regardless of what the truth is, this is what I do. For my home page and sticky post (my sticky post is always optimized for what I call the theme kw) I almost exclusively build links with primary kw anchor text only. Rarely, I would build a link with my name when I am commenting on a blog or something. Then for all the other posts, I would mix up the anchor text. Still, the clear majority is the primary anchor text, but about 20% (I'm just guessing, I don't track them that much) is a mixture of all kinds of secondary kw anchor texts. I think this approach is so far proving to be a winner.

                Another thing I'd like to mention before shutting up is domain age. The OP's domain is only 4 months old (unless he bought an existing aged one). It is also generally believed that once you have won Google's trust (trust rank or whatever), such relatively inferior links cannot bring you down unless there is a manual review right?

                Your expert view/advice on all what of the above would be greatly appreciated?

                Thanks!
                Chucky
                Mr.Chodak has helped me a lot too.

                Anyways..I want to see his reply to your post.

                AND

                I want to see my site back again in the SERPS...
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              • Profile picture of the author Miroslav Chodak
                Hi Chucky,

                Thank you for your reply. I wish I knew your real name. It's always nice to meet fellow Stompers... Regarding your post:

                Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

                The general belief is that off page factors whether you're talking about link quantity, quality or anchor text CANNOT harm you. Google can discount them and give you NO CREDIT. But Google canNOT penalize you. If Google does that people would target their competitors and build an unnatural link profile for them and get rid of them.
                What can or cannot hurt you depends almost entirely on how strong is your existing link profile. I can say without a doubt that Google applies some kind of a threshold related to the ratio of incoming links containing your exact keyword that, when crossed, will get your site demoted in the SERPs. I have experienced it many times personally: sites getting demoted when the threshold was exceeded and also sites bumping back to their original positions when they went below the threshold.

                Yes, this in theory means that a competitor can build an unnatural link profile for you. In practice, however, I would love to see my competitors try. The reason is, they would be building the exact links I need (with my exact keyword in the anchor text) and all I would need to do is balance that with other kinds of links (and we all know that getting quality links with non-keyword anchor text is much easier than an exact keyword match).

                Also, the more competitive a keyword, the more effort this would take and---because pages ranking for competitive keywords already do have strong link profile---it would also be more expensive and much more risky (for the competitor) as this venture would either be futile from the start or it would likely backfire at some point in the future.

                For less competitive keywords, where even pages with weak link profile can rank, there are far less competitors and they tend to be less savvy, too. Furthermore, they usually have lower resources to attempt something like that.

                So, that is my answer.


                Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

                I have seen people like Terry Kyle and Tom Goodwin say that they have noticed losses of rankings for the 'primary kw' when they build links using a 'secondary kw anchor text'.
                I don't see how ranking for one keyword could be related to ranking of the same page for another keyword, when it comes to link profile. In terms of links, 3 factors are important:

                1. Link popularity - how many and how good total incoming links are, regardless of their anchor text.
                2. Link diversity - how many unique domains are the links coming from.
                3. Link reputation - what is the anchor text of those incoming links.

                Regarding the first two, the more links, the better. Regarding the third one, the only thing that matters is whether there are enough of good links with the keyword and its variations to beat the competition. The REST of the anchor text is irrelevant.


                Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

                It is also generally believed that once you have won Google's trust (trust rank or whatever), such relatively inferior links cannot bring you down unless there is a manual review right?
                Correct. Just keep in mind that Google trust is a factor of incoming links (read: Pagerank).
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                • Profile picture of the author Chucky
                  Originally Posted by Miroslav Chodak View Post

                  Hi Chucky,

                  Regarding the third one, the only thing that matters is whether there are enough of good links with the keyword and its variations to beat the competition. The REST of the anchor text is irrelevant.
                  Thank you Miroslav!

                  Yes, this is something I always thought was happening. Google doesn't necessarily take in to consideration all 10,000 anchor text pointing at you. You just need to have the right anchor text on the 'good links'.

                  Please tell me know if I misinterpreted your statement.

                  Thanks again Miroslav, will be following you in WF (now that I'm not a Stomper anymore!)

                  Have a great weekend!
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            • Profile picture of the author webhostingrvw
              Originally Posted by Miroslav Chodak View Post

              It is not the profile links that are harming your site. It is the anchor text you used. It is completely unnatural to have all incoming anchor text to have the same keyword, which is why Google knocked you down the SERPs.

              To correct that, you need to create a more natural link profile. Either change anchor text of at least half of your current links. Or double your link count with random anchor text.
              Agreed. there was a time when some experts advise always use same anchor text. There is no need to vary. But i am experiencing it is changed now. Having same anchor text is unnatural specially when using long tail phrases as anchor text.

              Vary your anchor text, you will be fine.
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              • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
                Originally Posted by webhostingrvw View Post

                Agreed. there was a time when some experts advise always use same anchor text. There is no need to vary. But i am experiencing it is changed now. Having same anchor text is unnatural specially when using long tail phrases as anchor text.

                Vary your anchor text, you will be fine.

                Yes..I need to look upto that now,Thanks!
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              • Profile picture of the author EdBryant
                I think the answer to your question is that noone really knows for sure. Anything we write here is purely speculation or just our own experience.

                The way to really understand this stuff is to just test it for yourself. I have used profile links on some sites that seemed to work great and other times not at all. So I really have no idea.

                Some good answers here. I hope things work out for your site.


                Best of luck!
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              • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                Originally Posted by noble View Post

                To say they're dead would be an overstatement. There are many factors that come into the quality/authority of a backlink as can be read @:
                IM Service Solutions SEO Blog » Blog Archive » What Factors Make a Backlink Powerful/High Authority?



                I would have to disagree with such a general statement. If you're just creating profiles then yes, they're not worth a whole lot. I use mine as properties. What do you have on a forum profile? A fresh page on an authority domain with the only link leading to your website. Submit it to social bookmarking sites, build a couple backlinks, and you now have a page with some authority linking to you.
                Profile links are the most useless link you can have from an SEO standpoint. Not just being opinionated here, many people that have posted in this thread, BUY their backlinks, and HOPE it works.. most of the time it does not.

                An authority back link is not from a forum profile. Whether you link to it a million times or not, you're going to have a lot of decay. It doesn't matter if the anchor is changed to distribute numerous keywords(well it does in general but profiles don't index well anyway).

                People don't understand what the panda update really means, so they often confuse this. Anyway, the point is, profile links are the most useless link you can have. I won't spend time on it anymore.

                The only, ONLY exception, is using profile links to go to your 3rd tier sites in a link push. That is all.

                Originally Posted by ebizman View Post

                I personally think profile links are junk!
                People would see much higher rankings if they just put some thought behind it. Ask yourself, "Will this bring me direct traffic"? If the answer is no, then why do it? Sorry, I'd rather be getting traffic instead of waiting and praying that google will rank my sites.

                Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

                Profile backlinks do indeed work, especially when they are from authority sites.
                Eh.. Like I said previously, you have to understand what the panda update really did. If you knew that, you wouldn't be saying that.

                Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

                Profile links are the worst! 99% of them all are like N/A or 0 Page Rank. They contain no link juice at all.
                Well duh, they're brand new links... I don't like blog commenting either, but I will use blog commenting any day, over profile links.
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                • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                  Originally Posted by sirgeo View Post

                  Does that include .edu and .gov profile links?
                  Those are the only ones I would even waste time getting now... but, I would contribute to the community because I have noticed a lot of them die. They aren't naive to spam and backlinking, mods pick up on it and delete almost immediately.

                  Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                  Yes profile links still carry juice. We have several sites on page one for tough keywords. As soon as we lose the rankings for those sites then we know the juice has failed on the profile links. But they are all still on page one. It just takes more than it used to to keep them up.
                  Just simple one way links? Or are you doing a link pyramid?
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                  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                    Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

                    Those are the only ones I would even waste time getting now... but, I would contribute to the community because I have noticed a lot of them die. They aren't naive to spam and backlinking, mods pick up on it and delete almost immediately.


                    Just simple one way links? Or are you doing a link pyramid?
                    What we do is send out straight anchor text links and nothing else. At least on the sites that we are monitoring the effectiveness of the profile links. With the cheese I pay for servers every month I want to know precisely the moment profile links quit working.

                    On normal campaigns we only use profile links to backlink article links that we submit. Seems to work very nicely for that.
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                    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
                      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                      On normal campaigns we only use profile links to backlink article links that we submit. Seems to work very nicely for that.


                      That is exactly what I am going to do now...!

                      Lets see what happens...!

                      I hope I get my site on top again..
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                    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                      What we do is send out straight anchor text links and nothing else. At least on the sites that we are monitoring the effectiveness of the profile links. With the cheese I pay for servers every month I want to know precisely the moment profile links quit working.

                      On normal campaigns we only use profile links to backlink article links that we submit. Seems to work very nicely for that.
                      How many do you send for the ones you monitor? Is it about 4X the amount than it used to take? That is what I have noticed in a couple case studies, but haven't really put too much more effort in it lately. I just believe there are much better, and more effective ways for me.
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                      • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
                        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

                        How many do you send for the ones you monitor? Is it about 4X the amount than it used to take? That is what I have noticed in a couple case studies, but haven't really put too much more effort in it lately. I just believe there are much better, and more effective ways for me.

                        I also wonder that!
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              • Profile picture of the author netw6000
                Hello:

                3000 crappy profile links in a short amount of time?! Do you really think that is "natural" and Google would not notice? Google probably penalized you. You're lucky they did not deindex/ban your site altogether.
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                • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
                  Originally Posted by netw6000 View Post

                  Hello:

                  3000 crappy profile links in a short amount of time?! Do you really think that is "natural" and Google would not notice? Google probably penalized you. You're lucky they did not deindex/ban your site altogether.
                  So I can set Xrumer to go wide open on the url in your sig and get it de indexed with 27,000 spammy profile links in < 72 hours - every 72 hours until Google sends their Link Spam Seals to execute your webmaster and seo team?
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  • Profile picture of the author noble
    To say they're dead would be an overstatement. There are many factors that come into the quality/authority of a backlink as can be read @:
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    Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

    I have been noticing profiles stopped working for quite some time. There is no such thing as quality profile linking in my opinion. How can it be quality? LOL. Some people love profile links, that is a thing that will be changing very quickly.
    I would have to disagree with such a general statement. If you're just creating profiles then yes, they're not worth a whole lot. I use mine as properties. What do you have on a forum profile? A fresh page on an authority domain with the only link leading to your website. Submit it to social bookmarking sites, build a couple backlinks, and you now have a page with some authority linking to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by noble View Post

      To say they're dead would be an overstatement. There are many factors that come into the quality/authority of a backlink as can be read @:
      IM Service Solutions SEO Blog » Blog Archive » What Factors Make a Backlink Powerful/High Authority?



      I would have to disagree with such a general statement. If you're just creating profiles then yes, they're not worth a whole lot. I use mine as properties. What do you have on a forum profile? A fresh page on an authority domain with the only link leading to your website. Submit it to social bookmarking sites, build a couple backlinks, and you now have a page with some authority linking to you.
      Hey NoblE!!

      Thanks for the input..I read your blog..cool info!

      But - What is your take on the recent Google PANDA thing??
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  • Profile picture of the author sojibrahman
    i think all backlink work,But sometime many high pr backlinks work so much fastly
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by sojibrahman View Post

      i think all backlink work,But sometime many high pr backlinks work so much fastly
      Oh really?
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  • Profile picture of the author ebizman
    I personally think profile links are junk!
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  • Profile picture of the author Abul-Hussain
    They do work. I had a website on page 3, I sent a rush of backlinks to it, dropped to page 7 for 1 1/2 weeks. Then bounced back to #8 on page 1. I think it's just the Google dance there.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by Abul-Hussain View Post

      They do work. I had a website on page 3, I sent a rush of backlinks to it, dropped to page 7 for 1 1/2 weeks. Then bounced back to #8 on page 1. I think it's just the Google dance there.

      Oh wow..hope that happens to me too!!

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Miroslav Chodak
        Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

        Oh wow..hope that happens to me too!!
        Unfortunately, that's not going to happen to you. Not until you make your link profile more natural. Please see my previous post above. (Google dance was my next-best hypothesis, but your answer about allinanchor vs regular search has refuted it.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Ya after the Google Dance wears off, you'll see your site ranking again. Get some higher authoritative backlinks, ones with PR, and you'll see even higher rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

      Ya after the Google Dance wears off, you'll see your site ranking again. Get some higher authoritative backlinks, ones with PR, and you'll see even higher rankings.
      So how many days you think it will take for the Google Dance to wear off?

      Have anyone else experienced this??
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  • Profile picture of the author noble
    21st position to 100something position. Sounds like you were never ranking in the first place and probably just a normal flucuation.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by noble View Post

      21st position to 100something position. Sounds like you were never ranking in the first place and probably just a normal flucuation.

      Yes..I have never touched the first page..
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    Actually I always telling peoples don't do xrumer blast or creating some 3000 profiles in a day directly to money site it is bad behavior.Because of latest updates,It wont give increase in position but it will decrease the position.

    You are somewhat safe because mostly some sites even disappeared after those type of linkbuilding.

    Always create backlinks manually,If not possible spread out the links say 200-500 per week works well.As for as profile links it is still good in linkbuilding but matter is how we are creating them.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by masterjani View Post

      Actually I always telling peoples don't do xrumer blast or creating some 3000 profiles in a day directly to money site it is bad behavior.Because of latest updates,It wont give increase in position but it will decrease the position.

      You are somewhat safe because mostly some sites even disappeared after those type of linkbuilding.

      Always create backlinks manually,If not possible spread out the links say 200-500 per week works well.As for as profile links it is still good in linkbuilding but matter is how we are creating them.

      I did not do them in one day.

      I did them over 3 days..
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  • Profile picture of the author abhibh
    1. You were ranked on 21st placed

    2. Profile links have lost some other juice but they will come back stronger as someone said earlier in some post. Always happens with G.

    3. Same thing happened to me wait for a week or so and your site will come back stronger.

    4. One of my site went from 2nd page to 10th page and now its back to 3rd page.

    P.S. I have some work for you, i will contact you soon :p
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by abhibh View Post

      1. You were ranked on 21st placed

      2. Profile links have lost some other juice but they will come back stronger as someone said earlier in some post. Always happens with G.

      3. Same thing happened to me wait for a week or so and your site will come back stronger.

      4. One of my site went from 2nd page to 10th page and now its back to 3rd page.

      P.S. I have some work for you, i will contact you soon :p

      Wow..Very Funny!! (Everyone - Start laughing)
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    You don't understand how fresh backlinks work. :rolleyes:

    This thread title is bogus...




    Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

    Hey guys..


    I had a daily strong backlink dose using AMR to one of my sites and the site was improving its rank pretty well.

    I was in the 21st position before 2 days,

    Then what happened was that I decided to speed up the process and blasted only 3000 profile backlinks to my site.

    I even did not ping them.

    And guess what happened - Way it went to the 102nd position...

    So..my question is whether profile links are working as they used to?

    Is this because of the PANDA update??

    Please advice..

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
      lol of course your going to bounce around you just blasted 3k profile links at your money site..

      and googles getting stricter on duplicate content, adapt to it.. even when blasting profile links. use your imagination.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You don't understand how fresh backlinks work. :rolleyes:

      This thread title is bogus...

      Dont try to act smart..Read the answers in my thread..There has been a great guy called Chodak who tried to explain to me about the allinanchor:keyword thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author hearme
    I think the quality back links still work as the top prior website profiles are indexed properly.
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    • Profile picture of the author DOWORKSON
      So you blasted 3000 profile backlinks without pinging them.. you see serp decrease therefore they do not work?

      Fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author goodmast3r
    So you can blast your competitor site and they will go down?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenjifujima
    Profile backlinks actually work, especially when they are authority sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    Profile links are the worst! 99% of them all are like N/A or 0 Page Rank. They contain no link juice at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author topan
      I thought after Panda, profile link value is decreasing a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author espe
      Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

      Profile links are the worst! 99% of them all are like N/A or 0 Page Rank. They contain no link juice at all.
      thats right and most of them never get indexed, Google seem to hate them lol
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  • Profile picture of the author sirgeo
    sorry, a bit of a newb here...how does this work?

    allinanchor:keyword
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  • Profile picture of the author athanne
    Sorry for the experience
    Hope some will help
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOguymike
    Yah I doubt, spammy profile links have any value anymore, and most likely you are going to suffer from a slap or worse a permanent slap lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author RhythmClick
    Hi Miroslav,

    Great explanation here. I too have observed this over optimized anchor text filter a while back and was able to bring the sites out of the filter by introducing more anchor text variety in the new links I built.

    I did not know about using the allinanchor operator to test for this filter.

    Awesome info.

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Yes profile links still carry juice. We have several sites on page one for tough keywords. As soon as we lose the rankings for those sites then we know the juice has failed on the profile links. But they are all still on page one. It just takes more than it used to to keep them up.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Yes profile links still carry juice. We have several sites on page one for tough keywords. As soon as we lose the rankings for those sites then we know the juice has failed on the profile links. But they are all still on page one. It just takes more than it used to to keep them up.
      OK Matt..What do you suggest I should do now?
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by prats2992 View Post

        OK Matt..What do you suggest I should do now?
        Keep submitting links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    Google Dance is the reason. Don't stop building backlinks. But you must get index them with correct tools.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by blog8491 View Post

      Google Dance is the reason. Don't stop building backlinks. But you must get index them with correct tools.

      I am not going to stop building backlinks..I am blasting Articles into AMR and I am putting equal efforts in indexing them.

      Thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamBerg
    I have seen people like Terry Kyle and Tom Goodwin say that they have noticed losses of rankings for the 'primary kw' when they build links using a 'secondary kw anchor text'.
    This can happen but is an indirect effect as the relevance of the site in a certain niche can seem weaker after links to a second keyword has been built. Ie a site might have 60% links related to blue widget and than you start building links for red widget which brings the precentage and hence relevance down to lets say 40% of all links. This will cause the drop as you loose your relevance bonus and you will need some additional links with the keywrod blue widgets to make up for this and regain the top position. Hence this is not a penalty it is simply a logical result of different ranking aspects working together,
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh MacDonald
    I think this is a coincidence, I don't see profile links hurting you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikesTraffic
    The links still work, you are just doing it wrong..
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by MikesTraffic View Post

      The links still work, you are just doing it wrong..

      Yes..I just discovered that...I am trying to get it right here..:confused:

      I have submitted more articles now..and then I am backlinking the articles with profile links.

      Lets see what happens.

      I will keep you updated on this!
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    Next time, create a blog at Wordpress or Blogspot, link to your main site and then blast that blog with the 3000 links.

    I've stopped blasting my money sites with cheap links directly. They're not working as before. The method above is one way to build one quality link that will be trump thousands of the lower quality links. You won't see the effectiveness of it though, for 2-3 months.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      Next time, create a blog at Wordpress or Blogspot, link to your main site and then blast that blog with the 3000 links.

      I've stopped blasting my money sites with cheap links directly. They're not working as before. The method above is one way to build one quality link that will be trump thousands of the lower quality links. You won't see the effectiveness of it though, for 2-3 months.

      I also did that recently..and I think it is not working too.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Some say profile links were being curtailed by the big G, but others say otherwise, it's early days yet
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    • Profile picture of the author Igirl
      All links work including profiles.

      Don't submit your links to profiles right away as they get deleted. Create the account, and submit 2-3 days later, it works better that way.
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      • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
        Originally Posted by Igirl View Post

        All links work including profiles.

        Don't submit your links to profiles right away as they get deleted. Create the account, and submit 2-3 days later, it works better that way.

        Thank you so much for your help!!
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  • Profile picture of the author nysportsworld
    I use profile links and I noticed the only ones that even get index on the ones where I have an active signature on them which I post to
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  • Profile picture of the author _Austin
    So much speculation in this thread. I seriously bet this is just the Google dance and you will come back stronger in a week or two. I see this happen all the time and usually see people freak out the DAY it happens and then over a few days they think all is lost. Trust me just relax, take a break, and in 2 weeks your site will be back.

    I experienced this a lot personally on my niche sites cause I'm pretty unrelenting with my backlink building but if a site ever drops it comes back with better ranking than when it dropped. Of course this is just speculation as well but you did not build near enough backlinks to have any kind of penalty slapped on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaineCoon
    Prats2992, I also have the same problem. I did not blast my links with 1000's of links. Maybe total of 150-200, 10-20 per day. Site went from rank #7 to #700. It's been like that for a week. I've heard people who had experienced this, their site did jump back up and got even better than before, and they say it will take SOME time, it's just Google doing its dance. some say it only takes them 1-2 weeks to jump back up, some say weeks later.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by MaineCoon View Post

      Prats2992, I also have the same problem. I did not blast my links with 1000's of links. Maybe total of 150-200, 10-20 per day. Site went from rank #7 to #700. It's been like that for a week. I've heard people who had experienced this, their site did jump back up and got even better than before, and they say it will take SOME time, it's just Google doing its dance. some say it only takes them 1-2 weeks to jump back up, some say weeks later.

      Alright..I think I need to bid goodbye to my site now.

      I am out of the top 500.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhonsean
    Have patience because SEO needs hardworking effort and consistency to become stable in higher rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
      Originally Posted by jhonsean View Post

      Have patience because SEO needs hardworking effort and consistency to become stable in higher rankings.

      I have lots of that...
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