Your SEO is causing a lot of junk on the Internet

I guess you have to evaluate your performance to check that what you are actually doing in the name of "Search Engine Optimization". If you find yourself as a provide of true and real information or entertainment over internet VIA SEO, then you shouldn't get worried about others statement about your stuff, be confident.

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ebusinessireader

13 years ago

If successful of White Hat is too slow.
What would you do?

Will you change to black and create a lot of junk like that?

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Dalyinx

13 years ago

You don't necessarily have to create junk to have a successful SEO campaign. Sites like Hubpages, EZA, and the like offer a great resource for building backlinks. It takes more time to do, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it'll take longer to see results. That, and your results will also last longer.

I do utilize some link building services, such as BMR and whatnot which can contribute to internet "junk," but I prefer white hat services for the most part.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Unless you're a link bait expert seo is strictly blackhat. But there is a clear distinction between bh links via spamming and via owning your own blog network.

So there.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Unless you're a link bait expert seo is strictly BlueFart. But there is a clear distinction between bh links via spamming and via owning your own blog network.

So there.

Well unfortunately by black people mean something is wrong with it so I just reject any definition of black that or this as merely doing something that Google doesn't like. To me black hat is abusing other peoples property and gaming the search engine while providing no real content or value.

Google doesn't have the power to tell me something is morally white or black especially when they have no problem ranking adobe, microsoft who all give nice followed links to their sister and partner sites. I was just looking at You tube coveying some sweet PR8 links to their partners etc.

So matt as far as I am concerned linking to your partners is white hat or else Google and a pile others are all black. Only question would be if the pages themselves you link from are garbage and if customer ahem I mean partner sites are junk or quality.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Well unfortunately by black people mean something is wrong with it so I just reject any definition of black that or this as merely doing something that Google doesn't like. To me black hat is abusing other peoples property and gaming the search engine while providing no real content or value.

Google doesn't have the power to tell me something is morally white or black especially when they have no problem ranking adobe, microsoft who all give nice followed links to their sister and partner sites. I was just looking at You tube coveying some sweet PR8 links to their partners etc.

So matt as far as I am concerned linking to your partners is white hat or else Google and a pile others are all black. Only question would be if the pages themselves you link from are garbage and if customer ahem I mean partner sites are junk or quality.

If you place a link hoping Google will count it as social proof that your website is relevant to your keyword then yes you are engaging in black hat seo.

You might not be spamming anyone's sites but you are still trying to influence the crawlers.

The only legitimate white hat form of seo is link baiting.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

If you place a link hoping Google will count it as social proof that your website is relevant to your keyword then yes you are engaging in black hat seo.

You might not be spamming anyone's sites but you are still trying to influence the crawlers.

The only legitimate white hat form of seo is link baiting.

Thats false.

A) you are ignoring the tried and true acceptable practice of contacting webmasters to give you a link. Thats not link baiting and can be enormously effective. No one here likes it because you can't create a push button system for it (and because webmasters are not likely to want to link to MFAs and affiliate one page sites etc)but it is entirely white hat because the webmaster approves of your site and considers it worthy of being linked to
B) You are ignoring syndication.
C) You are ignoring colloborative ventures like like guest blogging.
D) Matt Cutts in an official Google video has stated that getting you domain out there by social network involvement is fine and that doesn't fall under what is considered linkbait.

Secondly Like I said I don't accept the label of black (as if something is wrong) hat from anyone if it is something that established sites that google loves - including Google themselves - does. Linking to my other sites and partner sites is done throughout the web by every major corporation and many sites have what is called a resource page where they list those links. All of which "influence the crawlers"

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thebitbotdotcom

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Unless you're a link bait expert seo is strictly BlueFart. But there is a clear distinction between bh links via spamming and via owning your own blog network.

So there.

...in a nutshell...

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WealthWithin

13 years ago

You can drive 500 miles in comfort (while polluting the environment with CO2 and CO gases), or you can walk 500 miles and hope to get there someday.

Which approach would you rather take?

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Rach72

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

You can drive 500 miles in comfort (while polluting the environment with CO2 and CO gases), or you can walk 500 miles and hope to get there someday.

Which approach would you rather take?

... and your car can blow a gasket and suddenly you are stuck in the desert with no supplies and nothing to do but whine about the stinking vehicle you were traveling in.

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JSProjects

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

You can drive 500 miles in comfort (while polluting the environment with CO2 and CO gases), or you can walk 500 miles and hope to get there someday.

Which approach would you rather take?

Pretty much sums it up.

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chasnsx

13 years ago

Sorry, not me. My authority site is in a hobby niche where I was already an acknowledged expert with 20 years experience before I ever built a website. I built the site because I got sick of seeing fake authority sites in the niche, made by internet marketers who were putting up museum photos and information from library books.

I needed to learn SEO in order for my site to be competitive, so that I could get real information out there to replace all the garbage.

What I learned was that good content got me to page 5 or 6, good backlinking got me to page 2, and Google Panda got me to page 1 and past the phonies.

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curtainsandblind

13 years ago

If u want see that SEO is affect on search engine by nature way.

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Kurt

13 years ago

SPAM

Someone's
Page
Above
Mine

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ephame

13 years ago

I think most people spam in way or another so it's no big deal so long as it's not blatant and intrusive, like the double exit popups if i wanted to exit why would i want to be asked twice more?

If you post original content then you have nothing to fear and if you know you're spamming then i think you'd be prepared to cop flak about it if you mentioned it.

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ebusinessireader

13 years ago

Are there any website that did not do seo
but successful both financially and ranking??

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MrRankExpert 13 years ago

I don't think so, because if someone is not SEOing their sites and still getting profits then PPC could be the reason to attract customers or buyers to their business. Moreover if you launch something really unique with great success, people will talk about you online in their forums and blogs, I mean , they will promote you socially over the web. Without SEO it is much difficult to remain well ranked and financially stable.

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Are there any website that did not do seo
but successful both financially and ranking??
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jackytan 13 years ago

Hi there
i think simply you guys should optimized your site good for Search engine then take good care for your site content, i am prefer to more work on site, that would make site stay in high possition steadily too.
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w1908

13 years ago

That wouldnt bother me OP.

The internet is a jungle out there and for me its just like everydays work

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mistymars

13 years ago

Hello I'm Misty and this is my first time in this forum.

Honestly if someone says that my SEO is a junk I won't feel
bad. Why? Because I know my self and how I work. If you are
easily get down by what other people said against you then
you just proved them that they are right..

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markowe

13 years ago

But most of it IS junk! How come most SEOs seem not to have any conscience any more when it comes to Scrapebox spam commenting and forum profiles. The former especially is really the pits, I am #*&%*# sick of it on my blogs, you with your crappy, weasely, rambling, fawning 'generic' comments that would fool only an idiot. Oh, but that's right, you think everyone else is an idiot, or a tool to be used for your 'SEO', cos all you can see is the $$$.

I see Matt LaClear nodding over that one comment above, but I see his approach as different - it's his own blog network, he can slap what he wants on it. Same pretty much goes for article sites, that are mostly devalued anyway - searchers rarely even come across them. Web 2.0s, well, you can spend a few extra minutes actually making them useful, though again, no-one is going to be reading them anyway. They don't have to be Nuke'd rubbish.

Hmm, yes, I think it's comment spam I hate the most. You think it's harmless you are just kidding yourself. Remember "EVERYBODY hates spam".

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ebusinessireader

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

But most of it IS junk! How come most SEOs seem not to have any conscience any more when it comes to Scrapebox spam commenting and forum profiles. The former especially is really the pits, I am #*&%*# sick of it on my blogs, you with your crappy, weasely, rambling, fawning 'generic' comments that would fool only an idiot. Oh, but that's right, you think everyone else is an idiot, or a tool to be used for your 'SEO', cos all you can see is the $$$.

I see Matt LaClear nodding over that one comment above, but I see his approach as different - it's his own blog network, he can slap what he wants on it. Same pretty much goes for article sites, that are mostly devalued anyway - searchers rarely even come across them. Web 2.0s, well, you can spend a few extra minutes actually making them useful, though again, no-one is going to be reading them anyway. They don't have to be Nuke'd rubbish.

Hmm, yes, I think it's comment spam I hate the most. You think it's harmless you are just kidding yourself. Remember "EVERYBODY hates spam".

T__T .... so cruel

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markowe 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ebusinessireader

T__T .... so cruel

Ha, plenty more bile where that came from! People have to face facts, if they are doing blog-comment spam they are among the lowest of the low - no better than email spammers (and we truly all hate those!). It's just somehow become semi-acceptable in SEO circles. Well, not to me it ain't, and a fair few others round here too I would hope.
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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

But most of it IS junk! How come most SEOs seem not to have any conscience any more when it comes to Scrapebox spam commenting and forum profiles. The former especially is really the pits, I am #*&%*# sick of it on my blogs, you with your crappy, weasely, rambling, fawning 'generic' comments that would fool only an idiot. Oh, but that's right, you think everyone else is an idiot, or a tool to be used for your 'SEO', cos all you can see is the $$$..

ahhh don't worry they aren't making half the cash they claim to be. They are dominating some long tail serps not killing it with " make money online".

I blast spammers all the time but let me say something different here for balance

Google's admonition to slap no follow tags all over the place has resulted in webmasters being down right Scrooges when it comes to giving links. I'll see a story on CNN every now and again that illustrates the point. The story is about the site or the owner of the site.They are running ADS on the page and he is the reason they have that story. They may even be heralding a good thing the site owner did but guess what? When the refer to the site bam they drop the nofollow tag on it.

The guy providing great content shouldn't have to be a master at linkbait (because great content doesn't always bait). So sometimes we have to look for solutions too and the present atmosphere of not promoting sites anymore makes it easier for spammers to say there is no other way.

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ilee

13 years ago

Its not really junk if you're just offering targeted information for the people searching

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markowe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ichl13

Its not really junk if you're just offering targeted information for the people searching

Well, exactly, but what is targetted about:

I am so overjoyed that I found your blog and found such useful information there. I will be bookmarking this post and telling all my friends of the abundance of delight that can be found here Vicodin, Viagra, Cialis.

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kashif nazeer

13 years ago

Low quality seo is always a junk on internet. article spinning software and submission applications are nothing but just a waste on the internet. these things are responsible to create difficulties for the search engines to show the exact data. Unfortunately there is not a strict law or punishment for such people

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Klemen Znidar

13 years ago

I wouldn't care and keep counting the green (:

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paulgl 13 years ago

I take the word "junk" to mean stuff that one does not like.
Well, tough. All is fair in love, war, and SEO.

So, if someone really said to you that YOUR SEO was causing a lot
of junk on the internet.....it means one thing:

You are very successful at SEO and know what you are doing.

Provided that "junk" in question was your "junk."

Don't touch my junk.

Paul
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commoditytrainer

13 years ago

Try adding a blog to your site, create a subdomain, and post to social media sites, and bookmarks. If you write excellent work, then the link baiting process begins.

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Justinpage

13 years ago

I agree with Paul! If somebody said that you are causing a lot of junk on the internet, it means that they are insecure and they just want you to be the person they want for them to overcome their insecurities.

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Marketing Ignite

13 years ago

that would never feel good but why doing all the spammy ways when you can get more sustainable results long term....I always use those strategies cause most if not all of the spam is short term results and also annoying for everyone..

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ebusinessireader

13 years ago

Is it possible for us to do BlackHat without causing a nuisance to anyone.

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StoneWilson

13 years ago

The cash is cash, I'd like to say.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

Well if your SEO is causing a lot of junk, the search engines will soon find out, and adjust their algorithm to suit, which could get your site eventually penalised