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Some useful info that may be useful regarding spinning.

I recently purchased 100 spun articles related to my niche. According to the Seller, who has a five star rating on on warrior, several niche related articles are scraped and the paragraphs are swapped around to create a new article made up of parts of other articles. They are 100% Copyscape approved.

I posted all of the articles to High PR Society, posting to PR 2 or above blogs and set each article to be used/spun 30 times using one link per article.

Concerned that non of my keywords had moved much after one month I took all 3000 post URLs from HPRS and loaded them into Nuclear Indexer (a service I highly recommend) to discover that after two weeks of indexing time only 7.41% of the URL's are indexed. In my experience a 7.41% index rate is extremely low and indicates poor quality content.

To try to increase the index rate I than loaded the URLs into Dripable and blasted a couple of rounds at them but this made little difference.

This suggests to me that either there is a problem with the HPRS network or the spun content is an issue. My guess is that the spun content is the issue. I might even stick my neck out and say that Google can easily recognize spun content and devalues it.

Personally i'd rather pay the extra for BMR where the indexing rate is 100% and the article 100% unique.
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  • Profile picture of the author eshapard
    Well, if copyscape can't tell, I doubt that Google can, so my guess is it's something with the blogs. :-(
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  • Profile picture of the author specmurt
    1. Don't ever buy scraped and spun articles, even 100% Copyscape passed. Buy original spun content.

    2. High PR Society seems a bit shady to my. If it's what I think it is I wouldn't use it. Stick with BMR if you have an account (they're now closed).

    I think number 1 is your biggest problem.

    Google can easily recognize spun content and devalues it
    100% true for SCRAPED content. Proven in the field.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    The only way your going to see SERP movement for highly competitive keywords consistently is by paying to get links on highly trusted pages on highly trusted sites.

    Many private network services have a tough time ranking for competitive keywords mostly because they simply can't funnel enough juice through the links.

    If your using such a private network and lacing the web with links on PR0 or PRna web pages, there is a very little chance you will see SERP movement if your keyword of interest has any real competition.

    With respect to spinning and indexing. I believe that domains that have spun content do indeed take a hit in terms of their trust rank.

    If the behavioral metrics do not show engagement on subsequent site pages, the entire domain will be systematically stripped of trust, which will ultimately undermine the ability of that site or network of sites to rank you for your term.

    Its a weird thing. As private networks mature, IF the owner begins to allow questionable content on the site for the sake of selling links (money is real smooth talker in this case), the foundation of their network will begin to rot and their trust will begin to erode. Additionally, all private networks eventually for a footprint.

    The only real way for a PN owner to avoid this is to have the highest of standards in terms of content acceptance or creation and then they additionally have to abandon old properties as well as form new ones.

    If the PN your talking about using doesn't do this, they will eventually get nailed in the Google index...its like a law of nature. It eventually happens to them all.

    Ultimately, its all about getting quality links from pages with quality content. There are really no shortcuts.

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  • Profile picture of the author Avy Smith
    Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post

    Some useful info that may be useful regarding spinning.

    I recently purchased 100 spun articles related to my niche. According to the Seller, who has a five star rating on on warrior, several niche related articles are scraped and the paragraphs are swapped around to create a new article made up of parts of other articles. They are 100% Copyscape approved.

    I posted all of the articles to High PR Society, posting to PR 2 or above blogs and set each article to be used/spun 30 times using one link per article.

    Concerned that non of my keywords had moved much after one month I took all 3000 post URLs from HPRS and loaded them into Nuclear Indexer (a service I highly recommend) to discover that after two weeks of indexing time only 7.41% of the URL's are indexed. In my experience a 7.41% index rate is extremely low and indicates poor quality content.

    To try to increase the index rate I than loaded the URLs into Dripable and blasted a couple of rounds at them but this made little difference.

    This suggests to me that either there is a problem with the HPRS network or the spun content is an issue. My guess is that the spun content is the issue. I might even stick my neck out and say that Google can easily recognize spun content and devalues it.

    Personally i'd rather pay the extra for BMR where the indexing rate is 100% and the article 100% unique.
    Copyscape has "Word Matching Plagiarism Detection System" not "Phrase Matching Plagiarism Detection". You are making a mistake unless you review your articles that really are making sense.

    To get good spun you have to submit a well written article that has no grammatical errors and blunders. If you put in a vulnerable content to get good one and you are publishing it on your site that means you are deliberately making a big mistake that might ruin everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author tradeglobus
    Remember one thing! Always use unique written articles. Never use spun or copied otherwise you will be penalized.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    several niche related articles are scraped and the paragraphs are swapped around
    I think those kinds of articles are "retarded" (sorry for lack of better words) since you cannot simply assume that GOOGLE does not do sentence-level "dupe checks".

    What if you make a "new" article from sentences from existing articles from the web but Google "knows" that EACH sentence is dupe of another sentence? Do you think Google is so stupid? I always think they have certainly some elaborate ways to check for dupes and personally would never assemble "new" articles from PLR bits and pieces from the web. Not very clever, imo... besides that the article would LIKELY "not flow" since it's made from different articles altogether.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      But who says google cares in every case? They don't.
      Wikipedia is full of copied junk.

      Not that I'm encouraging its use.

      I agree they would just be mostly junk IMHO.

      There's dupe content then there's dupe content.

      I certainly would not pay for that junk.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I think those kinds of articles are "retarded" (sorry for lack of better words) since you cannot simply assume that GOOGLE does not do sentence-level "dupe checks".

      What if you make a "new" article from sentences from existing articles from the web but Google "knows" that EACH sentence is dupe of another sentence? Do you think Google is so stupid? I always think they have certainly some elaborate ways to check for dupes and personally would never assemble "new" articles from PLR bits and pieces from the web. Not very clever, imo... besides that the article would LIKELY "not flow" since it's made from different articles altogether.
      Google uses a system of text vectors and n grams to determine duplicate content.

      An n-gram is a string of words. My research over the years hints that the n = 4 to 6, meaning Google looks for duplicate strings of 4-6 words.

      Logic backs this up...Any string shorter than 4-6 words probably has a high degree of "false alarms". For exampe an n-gram of 3 words, such as "cheap hotel rooms" is likely used on a number of non-duplicate pages. But the longer the n-gram that's repeated, the more likely two pages are duplicate.

      Text vectors map where the n-grams are on a page and where they are as related to each other. Is one 6 word text string 18 words away from another 6 word string on two different pages?

      The way to defeat n-grams and text vectors is to spin 1 out of every 4-6 words which messes with the n-grams, then mix and match paragraphs in random orders to destroy Google's ability to see a correlation in text vectors.

      Another technique is to swap nouns, not adjectives, whenever possible:
      I drove my toyota.
      I drove my ford.

      Ford and Toyota are not synonems, which also messes with Google's doop detection.

      Also when spinning, it's best to have variations with different number of words:

      I need to train my
      rottweiler
      akc german shepard
      german bred male rottie

      Each option has a different number of words. This will also help mess with Google's doop detector.

      But you need a lot of options for each spin, otherwise you're just creating doop n-grams, especially if you spin a lot of pages. When people claim you can get millions of versions, maybe, but that could mean only a couple of words have been changed.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        And just what does google do with the string of similar words?

        They readily index and love plenty of exact copy content.

        Lyric, joke, video, news stories, poems, etc. are readily
        indexed and loved. Then you can toss in maps, youtube,
        etc. and duplicate content takes on a whole new meaning.
        You will see tons of videos with the same title, 4 to 6 words.

        In fact, a good trick on youtube is to have the exact
        description for each video in the niche. That way, they
        are the only ones that show up on the side when viewing
        one.

        It has to be put into context.

        Just do a search for videos titled:
        the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
        Google finds 6,000+ videos with that title.

        There would be only one book selling website or review site
        if they discounted 4 to 6 words the same in a row.

        But google shows zillions.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          And just what does google do with the string of similar words?

          They readily index and love plenty of exact copy content.

          Lyric, joke, video, news stories, poems, etc. are readily
          indexed and loved. Then you can toss in maps, youtube,
          etc. and duplicate content takes on a whole new meaning.
          You will see tons of videos with the same title, 4 to 6 words.

          In fact, a good trick on youtube is to have the exact
          description for each video in the niche. That way, they
          are the only ones that show up on the side when viewing
          one.

          It has to be put into context.

          Just do a search for videos titled:
          the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
          Google finds 6,000+ videos with that title.

          There would be only one book selling website or review site
          if they discounted 4 to 6 words the same in a row.

          But google shows zillions.

          Paul
          You're making a few assumptions:

          1. Google search is the same as Youtube search. It isn't. Videos don't have a lot of text to index. So using a Youtube search is totally unrelated to my point. My points are about Google search, not Yahoo search. Apples to oranges.

          2. That Google considers a page to be either unique or a doop. More than likely Google assigns a percentage, something like "64%" unique.

          3. You've also decided that because Google has indexed pages that have a lot of doop content that they haven't detected the pages to be doop by using n-grams and text vectors.

          I've explained how Google detects doop pages. You can learn from it or ignore it.

          But before you ignore it, I suggest you google "text vectors" and "n-grams" and see what you come up with.
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  • Profile picture of the author maz1207
    Hi, maybe you can check on Alexa to see how many backlinks do you have. Maybe you should try Easy WP SEO too, to increase your keywords ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author evertd
    This whole "passed copyscape" thing is such nonsense. Google doesn't use copyscape, just because you're able to fool copyscape does not mean you'll fool google.

    And Paul also has a point, I am sure the whole duplicate content situation is way more complicated than we make it out to be. It is not black and white. In fact, I've seen pages rank number 1 over a long period of time that consist of 3 or 4 articles from ezinearticles with just a sentence or two between each article. If you look at the individual articles, each of them are used on 100s of websites, but because they are used in a unique way, they are good enough for #1.

    So it is not just the fact that duplicate content is being used, but how it is being used.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    Spun articles are a WASTE of time! Write some quality ones (no matter they will take 2 or 3 hours!) and I can guarantee you would get a much better result
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  • Profile picture of the author eshapard
    Thanks everyone for the info on copyscape and how it's different from Google's duplicate content detection. Useful comments here.
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  • Profile picture of the author deucegmarketing
    If you are even going to try and use spun content, you need high quality spins. They need to be spun on sentence and maybe even paragraph level manually. Spinning works great if it is done right.
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