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12 years ago

What types of site were these? (Adsense/EMD)?

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yanivkalfa

12 years ago

One was a website with a lot of posts. was PR4 got completely deindex
Second one was a website that promote a product - 3 page website.

But that's irrelevant , I mean which ever site it is , if its not viewable by users (being in the top 6 results) users wont have the chance to visit it or to share it so...

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kengperapol

12 years ago

It might because of your backlinks profile. If not, it might be about cloaking or some other coding that Google hate.

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Shadowflux 12 years ago

How well written and relevant was the content on your site? Google has been sending real people to websites to review them. You can trick an algorithm but you can trick real people, not when it comes to content.
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rodz37

12 years ago

Panda is about spam, if you have good content you wont get stung, hubpages got mashed up with panda so they had to start over

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

I bet it are some spammy autoblogs or auto-created sites, Google doesn't just randomly deindex sites if they have the sligthest thing to offer. And especially not cause of linkprofiles, it might give you the sandbox or a penalty but it will not deindex it.

Sites THAT get deindexed are sites that sell links, like all the sites from those blog networks.

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yanivkalfa

12 years ago

Originally Posted by virtueinfo11

din't got your point clearly... are you talking about search engine ranking or link building?

The way google describe panda is you need people to like your content - to share it, the longer your visitors stays on your page.. bounce rate.. those are the important thing by what i understand from reading about panda. However how are you going to get those members to visit and like your page and everything if your not ranked to begin with ?

Originally Posted by kengperapol

It might because of your backlinks profile. If not, it might be about cloaking or some other coding that Google hate.

No way it is because of backlinks profile i have not created a single link to one of those website for 11 months now so that isn't it.

Originally Posted by Shadowflux

How well written and relevant was the content on your site? Google has been sending real people to websites to review them. You can trick an algorithm but you can trick real people, not when it comes to content.

Content is very relevant, well written (by my wife native English speaker) however its a affiliates website.

Originally Posted by rodz37

Panda is about spam, if you have good content you wont get stung, hubpages got mashed up with panda so they had to start over

i have 3 posts on the website all which was written by my wife about subjects in the website there couldn't bee much spam in that.

Originally Posted by nik0

I bet it are some spammy autoblogs or auto-created sites, Google doesn't just randomly deindex sites if they have the sligthest thing to offer. And especially not cause of linkprofiles, it might give you the sandbox or a penalty but it will not deindex it.

Sites THAT get deindexed are sites that sell links, like all the sites from those blog networks.

1 is a spammy website and i have no problem with it being deindexed i was kinda expecting it.
the second website is a different story as its a simple 3 post website with nice theme - no spam no irrelevant content and basic onpage seo was pretty good.

Just a note - i am not trying to figure out why my websites got deindexed because none can actually answer that.

I am trying to figure out whats count as safe practice now that panda is out..

And reading up google documentation doesn't seem to make much sense.

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nik0 Banned 12 years ago

Ignore Google's guidelines indeed, if you have to listen to that you'll get nowhere just like you described yourself with the chicken<-->egg thing.

What I think that is important nowadays is to get links that not everyone is having yet. See if everyone has the same 40 web2.0's from senukex, and the same 500 bookmarks from fiverr, and the same AMR blast and so on..

So you need to focus on only small portions of the same links (so forget about comment/xrumer/wiki blasts of 1000's of links) so what you can do is:

- throw out some pressreleases
- post some comments on relevant sites instead of blasting with scrapebox
- do a bit of forum posting (preferable at relevant forums)
- make some nice looking web2.0's for ultimate results or just cheap to diversify but don't expect ranking increasement from just diversifying things
- get social signals involved, it doesnt have to be legit, there are solid retweet services or services where they plus one or vote on your bookmarks
- search for sites who ask for guest posts
- make some animoto video and submit it to video sites or outsource it to fiverr
- put your article in pdf format and let someone submit it to doc sharing sites, or do it yourself
- fill in some web2.0 profile sites
- add a bunch of social sites where you link from

This stuff still works well, and because you do it in small portions you get a wide diversed backlink profile that will never get you any penalties.

Yes it's less effective and way more time consuming then the blog networks that we had before but most of the above it outsourcable for cheap at sites like Fiverr, only the relevant commenting/forumposting/guestposting is something that is hard to outsource.
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Jospeh31

12 years ago

Bounce rate and time spent on site are 2 of the metrics but there are plenty more. I doubt that's your problem. Do you have GMT?

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winsoar

12 years ago

It won't be anything to do with backlinks otherwise you would see lots of negative SEO companies.

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elrae 12 years ago

it could be your backlinks. it could also be where you're hosted, i read the other day that google has deindexed sites hosted on typically spam-filled hosts. reason for this being if a lot of spammers use a particular host for free websites, google picks up on this and deems that entire host as spam. if it is from backlinks, it's likely because you have a lot of low quality backlinks from spammy blogs. PR doesn't really matter, so the fact that your site was/is PR4 is irrelevant, google only updates that every few months, so it's not a very good gauge of the quality of a site.
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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by winsoar

It won't be anything to do with backlinks otherwise you would see lots of negative SEO companies.

Where you been bro?

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yanivkalfa

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jospeh31

Bounce rate and time spent on site are 2 of the metrics but there are plenty more. I doubt that's your problem. Do you have GMT?

i guess those might not be the why but i really dont see any other reason as i built absolutely no links the past 10-11 months.

Originally Posted by nik0

Ignore Google's guidelines indeed, if you have to listen to that you'll get nowhere just like you described yourself with the chicken<-->egg thing.

What I think that is important nowadays is to get links that not everyone is having yet. See if everyone has the same 40 web2.0's from senukex, and the same 500 bookmarks from fiverr, and the same AMR blast and so on..

So you need to focus on only small portions of the same links (so forget about comment/xrumer/wiki blasts of 1000's of links) so what you can do is:

- throw out some pressreleases
- post some comments on relevant sites instead of blasting with scrapebox
- do a bit of forum posting (preferable at relevant forums)
- make some nice looking web2.0's for ultimate results or just cheap to diversify but don't expect ranking increasement from just diversifying things
- get social signals involved, it doesnt have to be legit, there are solid retweet services or services where they plus one or vote on your bookmarks
- search for sites who ask for guest posts
- make some animoto video and submit it to video sites or outsource it to fiverr
- put your article in pdf format and let someone submit it to doc sharing sites, or do it yourself
- fill in some web2.0 profile sites
- add a bunch of social sites where you link from

This stuff still works well, and because you do it in small portions you get a wide diversed backlink profile that will never get you any penalties.

Yes it's less effective and way more time consuming then the blog networks that we had before but most of the above it outsourcable for cheap at sites like Fiverr, only the relevant commenting/forumposting/guestposting is something that is hard to outsource.

Mate this is really really a helpful advice thanks very much and i am glad its still sort of about links. just more manually.

Originally Posted by winsoar

It won't be anything to do with backlinks otherwise you would see lots of negative SEO companies.

Well yea that's what i thought but peep seems its about backlinks. although i did not create any for so many months.

Originally Posted by elrae

it could be your backlinks. it could also be where you're hosted, i read the other day that google has deindexed sites hosted on typically spam-filled hosts. reason for this being if a lot of spammers use a particular host for free websites, google picks up on this and deems that entire host as spam. if it is from backlinks, it's likely because you have a lot of low quality backlinks from spammy blogs. PR doesn't really matter, so the fact that your site was/is PR4 is irrelevant, google only updates that every few months, so it's not a very good gauge of the quality of a site.

I am hosted in Host gator and Host Monster both are very big companies, ones again about links i really doubt about host company i have 11 more websites there - they would have gotten deindexed as well.

Originally Posted by josephseeley

Panda doesn't deindex sites AFAIK. Though a panda'd site might also get deindexed for other reasons.

Elaborate please.

Originally Posted by josephseeley

Google is pretty good about giving sites a chance to get impressions in the SERPs. I have about 100 sites built in the last 3 months (about half of which I haven't sent any links to yet), and only a couple of them haven't had any impressions yet. Almost all of them have had clicks even.

Even a "hello world" site is likely to get at least some impressions within the first 2 months.

It's up to you to capture (or perhaps counterfeit) interest once you get those impressions.

Well i don't know about that being doing it for quiet some time and to actually get clicks .. you do need to be first page or one of the top position in the second page otherwise its pretty dead (click wise)

Originally Posted by tylerherman

Yah you can get a penalty but to get completely deindexed you had to do something to deserve it.

Well i wish i would know what i have done.. weird though, the website did got deindexed before - like 7 months ago at the very beginning when i spammed it with sick submitter. i then left the website alone and then several weeks back it got back to life - and then again died just now ... :-)

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josephseeley

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yanivkalfa

Elaborate please.

Panda does apply penalties to sites, but I haven't seen any evidence it deindexes sites completely.

Well i don't know about that being doing it for quiet some time and to actually get clicks .. you do need to be first page or one of the top position in the second page otherwise its pretty dead (click wise)

Like I said, I have about a hundred sites that are less than 3 months old, and even most of the ones I haven't backlinked have gotten visitors from Google. So Google is getting data about their "user experience".

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josephseeley

12 years ago

Panda doesn't deindex sites AFAIK. Though a panda'd site might also get deindexed for other reasons.

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tylerherman 12 years ago

Yah you can get a penalty but to get completely deindexed you had to do something to deserve it.
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josephseeley

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yanivkalfa

How will a site ever get to a position were members actually sees and like it ?

Google is pretty good about giving sites a chance to get impressions in the SERPs. I have about 100 sites built in the last 3 months (about half of which I haven't sent any links to yet), and only a couple of them haven't had any impressions yet. Almost all of them have had clicks even.

Even a "hello world" site is likely to get at least some impressions within the first 2 months.

It's up to you to capture (or perhaps counterfeit) interest once you get those impressions.

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OmarNegron

12 years ago

Sorry to hear about this. It just shows why we all should NOT rely on the google search engine for all of our traffic no matter how BIG they actually are.

=-| sorry dude.

-Omar

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J3thro M

12 years ago

Try to add those 2 site in google webmaster tools. After doing that, most likely you'll receive a message from them. I think there are somethings wrong with your pages. Maybe keywords stuffing, and others?

I had 1 site got deindexed 3months ago, so I added it on GWT then I received a message saying that there's a problem with some of my pages. But I did not bother filing a reconsideration, but most likely it would be keyword stuffing.

With the recent panda update, I had a couple of sites that the rankings fell down. So added in GWT, received message for unnatural links. Those sites just lost rankings but wasn't deindexed.

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sanjuk61

12 years ago

we can't say anything about it.....

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yanivkalfa

12 years ago

Originally Posted by josephseeley

Panda does apply penalties to sites, but I haven't seen any evidence it deindexes sites completely.

Like I said, I have about a hundred sites that are less than 3 months old, and even most of the ones I haven't backlinked have gotten visitors from Google. So Google is getting data about their "user experience".

It did got penalized i dont know if it is has direct relevance to panda or not though.

Originally Posted by OmarNegron

Sorry to hear about this. It just shows why we all should NOT rely on the google search engine for all of our traffic no matter how BIG they actually are.

=-| sorry dude.

-Omar

Well google is like 85% of all traffic so until that chance i am afraid this is our only option

Originally Posted by J3thro M

Try to add those 2 site in google webmaster tools. After doing that, most likely you'll receive a message from them. I think there are somethings wrong with your pages. Maybe keywords stuffing, and others?

I had 1 site got deindexed 3months ago, so I added it on GWT then I received a message saying that there's a problem with some of my pages. But I did not bother filing a reconsideration, but most likely it would be keyword stuffing.

With the recent panda update, I had a couple of sites that the rankings fell down. So added in GWT, received message for unnatural links. Those sites just lost rankings but wasn't deindexed.

I already have, and yes i did got this message and i thinks keyword stuff may be the reason why actually makes a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by JamesAnderson1

Panda is about spam, if you have good content you wont get stung, hubpages got mashed up with panda so they had to start over...Thanks

Originally Posted by frank00

We can not say any thing or understand till that moment at least you have to read the rules and go through his all new updates

I dont know what you mean and frankly this looks like a post to gain post count.

Originally Posted by sanjuk61

we can't say anything about it.....

I dont know what you mean and frankly this looks like a post to gain post count.

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jimmyn

12 years ago

If your website content is good, and follows all the rules about duplicate content and all that carry on, then it won't be panda.

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jimmyn

12 years ago

Are 3 posts enough for this site? When was the last time it was updated? Are the affiliate links no follow? What do you do to promote it if you don't build links to it?

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yanivkalfa

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimmyn

If your website content is good, and follows all the rules about duplicate content and all that carry on, then it won't be panda.

I am pretty sure its keyword staffing as this is the only thing comes to mind when i look at their rules - links i did not build any for months, Content is not duplicate. so this is only thing that might be it.

Originally Posted by jimmyn

Are 3 posts enough for this site? When was the last time it was updated? Are the affiliate links no follow? What do you do to promote it if you don't build links to it?

Well yea 3 posts is not much but i think it should be enough.
last week was the last post, and yes the affilate link is no follow, which isnt suppose to hurt me either. i didnt build any links to it for months now, i wanted to start build links again this month but it got deindexed so ..

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chetankm

12 years ago

If you website is in google sandbox than don't worry just have some high page rank back links. this will help you index your website again.

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yanivkalfa 12 years ago

Originally Posted by chetankm

If you website is in google sandbox than don't worry just have some high page rank back links. this will help you index your website again.

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- yanivkalfa 12 years ago
  
  Does anyone know if software like Xrumer and others like it are still working ? i mean considering networks are pretty much dead and Panda update and all.
  
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yanivkalfa

12 years ago

anyone with an insight about software like this ?

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inazuman

12 years ago

I have a lot of websites are affected by de-indexed. but they still send me some money (not so big, but still generate continuously) so, I think the traffic came from other Search engine. I don't realy give a damn if my web get de-indexed. try to make new web, because make a new one is much easier than to get your web get index again by google. lol

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