Im sick of lying marketers, we can't all be #1 in Google

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There are hundreds of thousands of companies and businesses and websites and affiliates etc...

The fact is that they can't all be #1 on Google or even top 10.

So how else are they making money and getting sales?

I want the truth.
#google #lying #marketers #sick
  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

    There are hundreds of thousands of companies and businesses and websites and affiliates etc...

    The fact is that they can't all be #1 on Google or even top 10.

    So how else are they making money and getting sales?

    I want the truth.
    Sure they can... if each focuses on a different keyword or phrase.

    That said... I get your point.
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  • Profile picture of the author seeksucces
    Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

    There are hundreds of thousands of companies and businesses and websites and affiliates etc...

    The fact is that they can't all be #1 on Google or even top 10.

    So how else are they making money and getting sales?

    I want the truth.
    They are making money by selling to people like you and I products about making money online. They are selling products about how to find a way to make money online, because there is a real demand for a product that provides ways to make money online. The only problem is that it is a pyramid scheme. Just look at the Warrior Forum, I was just looking above this post and it said that I can purchase a system to make $15,000/month. Are you kidding me?

    I can't believe nonsense like this is even allowed to be on a reputable site like this one. As long as ads like that are still out there, someone is paying 50 bucks for that crap.

    I figured this out when I saw a site selling 1000 ebooks for 10 bucks. I could not understand why they would do that instead of selling the ebooks. The reason I discovered was because it was easier to sell the 1000 ebooks for 10 bucks to people that wanted to make money online than to actually sell the crap ebooks included in the packages.

    If you want to make money, you are going to have to sell products that teach people how to make money!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by seeksucces View Post

      They are making money by selling to people like you and I products about making money online. They are selling products about how to find a way to make money online, because there is a real demand for a product that provides ways to make money online. The only problem is that it is a pyramid scheme. Just look at the Warrior Forum, I was just looking above this post and it said that I can purchase a system to make $15,000/month. Are you kidding me?

      I can't believe nonsense like this is even allowed to be on a reputable site like this one. As long as ads like that are still out there, someone is paying 50 bucks for that crap.

      I figured this out when I saw a site selling 1000 ebooks for 10 bucks. I could not understand why they would do that instead of selling the ebooks. The reason I discovered was because it was easier to sell the 1000 ebooks for 10 bucks to people that wanted to make money online than to actually sell the crap ebooks included in the packages.

      If you want to make money, you are going to have to sell products that teach people how to make money!
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by seeksucces View Post

      If you want to make money, you are going to have to sell products that teach people how to make money!

      I know someone in this forum generating $20k month teaching people how to lose weight.

      Just saying...



      As to the OP, Google is just one of millions of websites online. Yes, it is big, but even in the search game, it only processes 70% of the Internet Search traffic, AND FaceBook processes more page views per month than Google.

      The secret to making money online is not ranking in Google, but putting your ads in front of the people most likely to buy your products or services, no matter where they may spend their time online.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        I know someone in this forum generating $20k month teaching people how to lose weight.

        Just saying...
        I can tell you that for free! It's all about having a good pair of "genes".
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  • Profile picture of the author roosters64
    I have noticed that it is possible to get a high ranking on Google with Articles, Blog posts and Forum posts using Rich keywords in the text. As Tsnyder points out it can be done. I haven't yet reached the first page of Google. Having said that Google shows page rankings and not site rankings.

    So a high quality page, rich with appropriate keywords, can rank highly in Google
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  • Profile picture of the author Intimidator
    Nice point, but as Tsnyder said, it's still possible with different keywords and phrases.
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  • Profile picture of the author marc7
    I agree with Seeksuccess & Tsnyder...

    I really feel where your coming from... Many of the top level marketers sell products that say you can make it to #1 on google by following a certain SEO System or blueprint. This is how many new marketers (not saying your a newbie) get frustrated and overwhelmed. Reaching #1 isn't impossible but it will take work depending on the keyword.

    Honestly you do not have to depend on Google to send you your target buyers. If anything you should drive traffic to your site from different places.

    What I see trending big time right now is product creation. That's how many people are making their income. It's not a bad thing though. I've purchased some great products that actually have helped me with my business and of course some that are full of Bull...

    But if you want to generate big income create a product or service with great quality that helps people...

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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    I'm sick of lying marketers, we can't all be #1 in Google
    With personal search, the day is coming when we can.

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    the fact and truth is that it takes time...like all other things in life that needs competition, there can only be one #1...but still it takes effort to be maintain that...

    ie world cup winner,Spain
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    • Profile picture of the author seeksucces
      Originally Posted by owenlee View Post

      the fact and truth is that it takes time...like all other things in life that needs competition, there can only be one #1...but still it takes effort to be maintain that...

      ie world cup winner,Spain
      I have finally reached number one on a keyword that is really important for my business. It took me 1 and a half years. The sad thing is that I am getting significantly less traffic from the keyword than Google claimed for exact match local search results. This is all a sham.

      I have already paid around $2000 to have this word brought to the top of Google by a very reputable SEO company that provides you with naturally looking back links. It has taken me 1.5 years!
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      • Profile picture of the author MidlandsMarketer
        There are hundreds of thousands of companies and businesses and websites and affiliates etc...

        The fact is that they can't all be #1 on Google or even top 10.

        So how else are they making money and getting sales?

        I want the truth.
        By realising that Google is far, far from being the only traffic source. The idea that it is kills so many people's business it's unreal.
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        • Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer View Post

          By realising that Google is far, far from being the only traffic source. The idea that it is kills so many people's business it's unreal.
          Absolutely.

          By diversifying traffic sources, you can be a very profitable business without Google or relying on search engines altogether. I dont even know where to begin listing all the other sources of traffic besides Google. Social Media is another huge avenue for traffic, for example.

          Let's also not forget Google PPC as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author xTrav
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          Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer View Post

          By realising that Google is far, far from being the only traffic source. The idea that it is kills so many people's business it's unreal.
          OMG! How else can I get more traffic without Google? Can you help me please?
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Over 90% of all my traffic and sales are generated directly by article syndication. Google is nowhere in sight.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheInternet
            Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

            OMG! How else can I get more traffic without Google? Can you help me please?
            Diversify your traffic sources. It's as simple as having something people want to talk about. People will do the rest. The hard part is making something people want to talk about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize INTL
    Bud, remember this.

    Most of these companies DEPEND AND MAKE BIG MONEY on NEW clients not on RETURNING clients

    Remember that
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  • Profile picture of the author AustinDigital
    You do understand the concept of the long tail correct? With a long tail keyword you're much more targeted and thus see a much higher ROI generally speaking. All these companies need to do is target multiple long tails and they're pitching their client some nice growth numbers, and increased ROI factors.

    That will keep the client hooked all day.
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  • Profile picture of the author JaynKeth
    It is probably true that people are getting to the top of google. But question is what sort of keywords. For those high competitive keywords, it will monetize because of the amount of traffic.

    So seeksucces, don't give up, eventually you will get the response that you want.

    As for a lot that claim how well they did, well you have to look into it and understand/analyze. No doubt, there are those who lie about the stats, but once you achieve it, you know it is indeed possible. Just need to get to the right method that suits you!
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  • Profile picture of the author michaeldoring
    Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

    So how else are they making money and getting sales?
    Websites that are not #1 in Google are making money by doing three things:
    1. Driving traffic to their website
    2. Monetizing their website
    3. Converting visitors to sales

    Lots of websites that are not #1 for a keyword in Google make money using lots of different strategies, a few are:
    • It's a myth you need #1 spot to get visitors, often being in the top 10 for keywords can get you enough traffic to make sales
    • These websites that make money might be using PPC i.e. paying for advertisement to get customers to their website
    • They might have built up a huge mailing list or social network following (twitter/facebook)
    • They might cold call, do door knocks...

    This stuff works: If you focus on driving traffic to your website, monetizing it and converting sales then you'll have one of those websites making the $$$
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    There are hundreds of thousands of businesses that have a reputation that doesn't require a link in Google. When I'm searching for a book or a lot of other products, I go directly to Amazon. When I'm searching for other brand name goods, I go directly to the brand website. I've searched for appliances in the online store that I wanted to buy from (large appliances) and go directly to that site (i.e., Sears).

    Many of the marketers who rely on those page one search results are selling ebooks, infop products or trying to rank as an Amazon affiliate, etc. Those are the pages that rely completely on Google rankings. They are also the pages that I, as a searcher, would rather not have to scroll through to get to what I'm really looking for.

    Say for example, I had an illness that I wanted legitimate medical information about. I don't want to sift through hundreds of Clickbank "how to cure ________" to get the real information that I'm looking for.

    In fact, that can be said about most of my searches. I will go pages deep in Google if I have to find the authority sites that give me the information with trying to sell me an ebook.
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    • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      There are hundreds of thousands of businesses that have a reputation that doesn't require a link in Google. When I'm searching for a book or a lot of other products, I go directly to Amazon. When I'm searching for other brand name goods, I go directly to the brand website. I've searched for appliances in the online store that I wanted to buy from (large appliances) and go directly to that site (i.e., Sears).

      Many of the marketers who rely on those page one search results are selling ebooks, infop products or trying to rank as an Amazon affiliate, etc. Those are the pages that rely completely on Google rankings. They are also the pages that I, as a searcher, would rather not have to scroll through to get to what I'm really looking for.

      Say for example, I had an illness that I wanted legitimate medical information about. I don't want to sift through hundreds of Clickbank "how to cure ________" to get the real information that I'm looking for.

      In fact, that can be said about most of my searches. I will go pages deep in Google if I have to find the authority sites that give me the information with trying to sell me an ebook.
      Suzanne, I've quoted your entire post here as I think there are many newbies who might miss the golden nugget hidden in your text. Most people do this the hard way, by starting websites and try to get them ranking from scratch, clawing their way up the search engines. Why do that when you can use the power of leverage, by creating products FOR amazon, or for other website owners, or business owners. People shoudl read your post at least 3 times and let it sink in.

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

    There are hundreds of thousands of companies and businesses and websites and affiliates etc...

    The fact is that they can't all be #1 on Google or even top 10.

    So how else are they making money and getting sales?

    I want the truth.
    This fixation people have with pandering exclusively to Google is something I don't quite understand, but the apparent inability to see beyond what it provides it is downright puzzling. Does the question of "What else?" really bear asking?

    How did offline businesses ever thrive without top Google rankings? How did, indeed how do, they get exposure?

    Ask yourself how Google itself was built without the aid of other search engines to refer it traffic?

    Advertising opportunities exist all over the place, online and off. Not all are free, granted -- and most aren't -- but "free" exposure was seldom a luxury any of us had before the inception of the search engine, and certainly not something we took for granted.

    Search engines might be the first port of call for many web users seeking answers and solutions, but they're not the last.

    Avert your eyes from Google's kindly glow for just a second, if you dare, and you might discover a world of opportunity beyond. There's a chasm of difference between manipulating a robot and enticing real people, however; harnessing traffic in other ways might require you to call upon your smarts. Dust 'em off and fire 'em up.
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  • Profile picture of the author TishaZaphirise
    Google is not the only traffic source. Yes, google is one of the best free traffic source. But there's still thousands of websites out there to get your customer. Example:facebook, youtube, twitter, etc
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  • Profile picture of the author TDogger
    Marketing is about developing a message and getting it out to people. Sometimes the message is real and sometimes it is intended to create an illusion in people's minds.

    Getting the message out is not all about getting a top ranking in Google, but it does help if you can do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Larry Carter
      It seems like there is to much competition for products that teach people how to make money online, but when I find the right niche I'd rather have tons of traffic than to have #1 on google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    I think the "con" is anything is making things appear easier than what they are. Look at any product:

    Make money online
    Dieting videos
    how to build abs
    how to learn a language

    All makes it looks so easy when you see the adverts.

    Here is the TRUTH:

    If you want anything worth having it is HARD work and dedication.

    You want to be number 1 on Google you can be...

    You just need to beat the other millions of people that want it too.

    So don't ask yourself "What is the truth?"

    Ask yourself:

    "How much do I really want it?"

    Then:

    "Am I willing to work my ass off for it?"

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      I think the "con" is anything is making things appear easier than what they are.

      I think the con is when people read something and assume your second point won't apply to them:


      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      "Am I willing to work my ass off for it?"

      It is not so much sellers conning victims, but victims conning themselves that anything worth having can be had without work, effort and sacrifice.
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  • Profile picture of the author munstersg01
    You can be number 1 but if you don't convert you won't get sales.

    The truth is being position number 1 is advantageous but your offer must be alluring, trust worthy, add value and satisfy a want.

    If you can't be some of those or more, I can bet you number will make more sales.

    And for your information page 1 has 10 positions, there is room for enough sales to go around, want the truth load up your favorite search engine and take a look, and truth will unfold; just being naughty here

    if one provide value, and is able to convert, one should do well, not necessary to be at number but you must be able to drive good buying traffic, guess that is why there are media buys, ppc etc
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    • Profile picture of the author TheInternet
      The biggest traffic driver should be people you've already reached. I appreciate the trickle of traffic from Google, but most traffic to my blog comes from links in my eBooks, newsletter forwards, Facebook, and other non-Google sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author ttdub
    Bahaha! I love your title.
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  • Profile picture of the author sanwacik
    Way too many people are fixated on Google. There are tons of different ways you can have a good amount of traffic to your site. Google is just one of them. But I do agree with most here and that is - you have to WORK at it if you want it. Anything is possible if you want it bad enough. Google is great but you need to look outside the box too.

    As far as working your ass off? You hit the nail on the head! Its always a safe bet to use more than one method to generate your traffic. Find the ones that fit you and work for you and stay with it. Once you master those methods, move on to a couple more and master them.

    As far as Google goes...its no where on the horizon for many.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew NY
    You absolutely can. There are new keywords coming out per day than ever before. I read an article recently where Google said that a large percentage of their searches progress in a pattern where they are searches that have never been searched before.

    Perhaps it would take you years to hit #1 for "weight loss" or "gambling tips" but don't sell yourself short on the billions of other keywords out there that you have potential to easily rank #1 for.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbean
    Better look for other traffic sources quick they are out there.....especially since Matt Cutts said this about SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
    Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

    There are hundreds of thousands of companies and businesses and websites and affiliates etc...

    The fact is that they can't all be #1 on Google or even top 10.

    So how else are they making money and getting sales?

    I want the truth.
    getting to #1 on Google is not the only way to make money and get sales.

    I have never just relied on Google - I place ads on classified sites, I use Twitter, YouTube, forum marketing, guest posts, and best of all: word of mouth.

    My advice (my opinion): Never just rely on Google traffic for your income, they can, at any given moment, knock your site completely off any of their search pages.

    Use a combination of traffic sources. Never ever put all your eggs in one basket.
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