How Does This Website Earn Over $300 a Day from Adsense?

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

I've heard that the uglier a website looks, the higher the CTR. Of course, I might just be misinformed, so in your experience what works best? An attractive looking website, or one with a very basic layout containing no pictures?

According to the Adsense 100k guys, one of their websites: www.cnatrainingclass.com was earning over $300 a day. However, I'm skeptical.

If you don't care about making quality sites than this theme is the way to go, ugly and plain. Why anyone would mass produce these kinds of sites is beyond me, even if you make good money from them now, I doubt these type of sites will be around in the near future.

You could make a micro niche site that looks good with quality content, but for some reason I don't see many of those.

Edit: Honestly I hate these kinds of sites, I don't even like to share the same page as them.

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

I've heard that the uglier a website looks, the higher the CTR. Of course, I might just be misinformed, so in your experience what works best? An attractive looking website, or one with a very basic layout containing no pictures?

According to the Adsense 100k guys, one of their websites: www.cnatrainingclass.com was earning over $300 a day. However, I'm skeptical.

You have every right to be skeptical.

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kandil

14 years ago

I'd like to know what is the key factors that make your site win more than $ 300 a day ?

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boxoun 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kandil

I'd like to know what is the key factors that make your site win more than $ 300 a day ?

Not hard. How much does training cost? Or schools in general? A lot. Many people are in 100k debt because of school. Where do you think they spend some of that tuition money? Marketing.

It's easy to get $300/day when you target the right niche.
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seoace

14 years ago

The appearance of the site =/= the earnings of the site.

Its all about the traffic & ads placement.

For that site, not sure about the traffic but their ad placement is quite good and they blended the color of the ads together with the text on their site.

However, I would prefer to build better looking sites unlike that site where it shouts MFA everywhere.

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Mantasmo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoace

their ad placement is quite good and they blended the color of the ads together with the text on their site.

I would never place ads this way on my own sites. Way too misleading for most regular visitors (that's just an opinion, of course). Plus the site looks like ****.

Making $300/day isn't hard, all you need is a converting niche and lots of traffic. I doubt they're making that much right now though.
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Ambius

14 years ago

The reason that site gets so much revenue is that it has disguised their PPC ads to look like normal text on their page. The "ugly" lack of graphics further helps make the PPC links look internal instead of outbound.

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Chrisbroholm

14 years ago

I'm really surprised no one mentioned traffic? Obviously the site gets quite a few unique visitors to make $300 a day.

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Mantasmo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm

I'm really surprised no one mentioned traffic? Obviously the site gets quite a few unique visitors to make $300 a day.

Many of us mentioned traffic, just read through the replies...
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  I believe it.
  
  When I was doing some keyword research and considered "cna training" as a possibility, I saw their site ranked in the top position. Either is #1 or 2. For a while they were certainly ranking high.
  
  Their high ranking plus the estimated amount they would receive per click makes $300/day possible.
  
  Once the blog networks got deindexed, I noticed that they and many others lost their place.
  
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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

That sites not ugly (link in OP), it's simple & yes simple pages do usually get a higher CTR.

Traffic doesn't like to make decisions & they usually don't stay focused on one thing for very long, so keeping the page clean usually helps with a higher CTR.

Look at how simple Google SERPs is, Google keeps those SERPs very simple for a higher CTR on Adwords (no silly distractions).

I have no idea & really don't care about the $300/day claim.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Definetly the most ugly site ever, they didn't even use txt padding on the front page so now the txt connects directly to the images. I really don't like the bluesense theme.

Especially when they show an image skyscraper in the left sidebar, it kills the whole layout / design of the site, and in the right sidebar the search box sticks out of the frame. Really not my thing.

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GGpaul

14 years ago

The pictures are not even fit properly

. But I'm not gonna hate. Props to them. Now just do you.

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Rafay Zafar

14 years ago

I think the key words are 'was' and 'earning'. this is exactly why the guy sold it because he knew it didnt have any long term potential.

I saw a similar site on flippa sold for $80k. it belonged to the adsenseguild guy.
https://flippa.com/80874-2y-old-educ...monthly-profit
Try reaching that site now. I mean somebody got robbed.
you could buy a proper brick and mortar or even online business for $80k.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

I would never ever buy a website, especially not in these times, and especially not if it heavily depends on Google traffic. What a waste of money that is.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

I would never ever buy a website, especially not in these times, and especially not if it heavily depends on Google traffic. What a waste of money that is.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Say what?

Everything in your forum sig. is related to selling SEO services, but you wouldn't want to depend on Google traffic?

Lol, I wouldn't want to fully depend on Google indeed, SEO works great to drive cheap traffic but it's not a guarantee that rankings will stay forever, we see this all the time don't we, even legit sites are taking hits. Actually SEO is also a type of buying traffic, you spend so much, you get so much traffic but obvious a much cheaper alternative then Adwords.

It sounds a bit weirder then how I meant it btw, "what a waste of money" was based on wasting $60k on a site and then seeing it drop all the way cause you don't know what SEO they did (okay you can look it up but still), buying websites is a risky business. Better start from the ground up.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Lol, I wouldn't want to fully depend on Google indeed, SEO works great to drive cheap traffic but it's not a guarantee that rankings will stay forever, we see this all the time don't we, even legit sites are taking hits. Actually SEO is also a type of buying traffic, you spend so much, you get so much traffic but obvious a much cheaper alternative then Adwords.

It sounds a bit weirder then how I meant it btw, "what a waste of money" was based on wasting $60k on a site and then seeing it drop all the way cause you don't know what SEO they did (okay you can look it up but still), buying websites is a risky business. Better start from the ground up.

I know what your saying, as far as sites being sold. I've seen multiple high dollar sites sold on flippa that are basically non-existent in the SERPs. Part of the sales pitch on those auctions was based on how great the site is ranking in Google SERPs.

Kind of like driving a car off the sales lot at a car dealership, once you sign the papers, she's all yours buddy (good or bad)!

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I know what your saying, as far as sites being sold. I've seen multiple high dollar sites sold on flippa that are basically non-existent in the SERPs. Part of the sales pitch on those auctions was based on how great the site is ranking in Google SERPs.

Kind of like driving a car off the sales lot at a car dealership, once you sign the papers, she's all yours buddy (good or bad)!

Sure sounds like that

Although in the past there are quiet a few guys who banked big time on buying under performing sites (for example bad monetized) and flip it for double within months

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deuces81 14 years ago

What are the keywords for the site in the original post?

I tried several:

Cna training
Cna training class
Cna training course
free cna training
etc. etc.

I could not find them in the top of google with any of these.
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Kane Davies

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I know what your saying, as far as sites being sold. I've seen multiple high dollar sites sold on flippa that are basically non-existent in the SERPs. Part of the sales pitch on those auctions was based on how great the site is ranking in Google SERPs.

Kind of like driving a car off the sales lot at a car dealership, once you sign the papers, she's all yours buddy (good or bad)!

I think what some of you are forgetting, is that sites are flipped and sold based on their current income performance and estimated revenue for the year. Past revenue is taken as an example of performance. Once the 'car' has left the dealership, in most cases it is up to the new owner to take responsability for their SEO work? I know i certainly would maintain any performing site, and update my strategy to stay current with the recent market events.

Many people are scared witless of these big G updates, and it seems the fear of this penguin stick still hasn't subsided. This game is all about evolution, evolve or die really. Stick with what works, dump what doesn't. Adapt and dominate guys.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kane Davies

I think what some of you are forgetting, is that sites are flipped and sold based on their current income performance and estimated revenue for the year. Past revenue is taken as an example of performance. Once the 'car' has left the dealership, in most cases it is up to the new owner to take responsability for their SEO work? I know i certainly would maintain any performing site, and update my strategy to stay current with the recent market events.

Many people are scared witless of these big G updates, and it seems the fear of this penguin stick still hasn't subsided. This game is all about evolution, evolve or die really. Stick with what works, dump what doesn't. Adapt and dominate guys.

Regards, Kane

Most sites being sold on flippa are being sold based on dreams.

When a seller mentions the word "potential" that's code for, this site isn't earning anything, but you can do a lot of work & possibly get the site earning money, you can get the same results on a fresh domain, lol.

As far as SEO, personally I don't have a problem ranking pages, all that's needed is quality/relevant links & plain text, which isn't too complicated. I don't chase silly algo. updates.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

As far as SEO, personally I don't have a problem ranking pages, all that's needed is quality/relevant links & plain text, which isn't too complicated. I don't chase silly algo. updates.

Where you go for your quality links Yukon? Just the regular blogcomments and forumposts at relevant forums or are you also involved with buying links from webmasters and offering guestposts?

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Kane Davies

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Most sites being sold on flippa are being sold based on dreams.

When a seller mentions the word "potential" that's code for, this site isn't earning anything, but you can do a lot of work & possibly get the site earning money, you can get the same results on a fresh domain, lol.

I can see your point, but who the hell would buy a website based on dreams and potential? I certainly wouldn't. I like to see consistent examples of income, before i would make any judgement on the future income and life of the site in question.
If anyone was to part with huge sums of money on a speculative future income based on 'potential' then send them my way... I have several sites with good 'potential' for them! lol

On a serious not though, sites like this do earn, and will always earn. Things go round in cycles, and AdSense is going nowhere as long as AdWords is popular, and it isn't going anywhere. Ok, people may judge their sites at the moment after Penguin, but things do take time guys, i can't emphasize that enough. Stick to what works and KEEP sticking.

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Originally Posted by Kane Davies

I can see your point, but who the hell would buy a website based on dreams and potential?

According to Google SERPs, a lot of flippa buyers believe in a sites "potential"!

"potential" site:flippa.com "Sold at Public Auction"

The word "potential" is one of those magical words, a lot of people would rather invest in a dream than do the research/work of building their own site. People want things now, not later.

I realize that "potential" means it's a possibility the site will earn money in the future, but I don't think the average buyer sees it like that. I think the buyers see the word (potential) as If the site will earn money (as is), it's just not doing it at the time of sale & most times doesn't have a whole lot of existing traffic (If any).
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AlphaWarrior

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rafay Zafar

I think the key words are 'was' and 'earning'. this is exactly why the guy sold it because he knew it didnt have any long term potential.

I saw a similar site on flippa sold for $80k. it belonged to the adsenseguild guy.
https://flippa.com/80874-2y-old-educ...monthly-profit
Try reaching that site now. I mean somebody got robbed.
you could buy a proper brick and mortar or even online business for $80k.

I have been curious as to what happened to that site. Since it totally disappeared, I have been wondering if the buyer has sued the seller.

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Billy Rey

14 years ago

Longtail rankings + multiple traffic sources = traffic
Butt UGLY website + adsense CTR tests = Higher CTR
high adsense payout keyword + focus on traffic location = $$$

add them all up = $ on adsense

Definitely possible, lots of people here make that amount daily

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Mantasmo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Billy Rey

Definitely possible, lots of people here make that amount daily

Nah. Lots of people here claim to make that amount daily.
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Mantasmo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bfas

I created that site.

It actually continued well past $300/day, peaking at $415/day.

Well there you go people - earning $300/day is very possible, as long as you go after the right niche/keywords.

edit: getting your sites ranked and making them stick is a whole other story. Especially after Penguin. This stuff was about a hundred times easier just 6 months ago.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

Well there you go people - earning $300/day is very possible, as long as you go after the right niche/keywords.

edit: getting your sites ranked and making them stick is a whole other story. Especially after Penguin. This stuff was about a hundred times easier just 6 months ago.

Unfortunatly I only make $3000/day, weekends not included, it sucks pretty hard cause I hoped to be a millionaire within 1 year. Why does everything always fail

Oh yeah, before everyone starts about, yeah right, you with your $19 packages. Well you shouldn't see it like that, that's just some side thing cause I like to help people!

Soon I'll probably launch a wso about it so you can all copy me.

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Unfortunatly I only make $3000/day, weekends not included, it sucks pretty hard cause I hoped to be a millionaire within 1 year. Why does everything always fail

Oh yeah, before everyone starts about, yeah right, you with your $19 packages. Well you shouldn't see it like that, that's just some side thing cause I like to help people!

Soon I'll probably launch a wso about it so you can all copy me.

So confused, lol. I know it's some form of sarcasm, but even I can't quite... :p

edit: need more coffee.

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nik0 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

So confused, lol. I know it's some form of sarcasm, but even I can't quite... :p

edit: need more coffee.

lol when I read it back I'm also confused thought this thread was about someone bragging that he made $300/day to follow up with some wso, but this is about something totally different

need some more sleep I guess
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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

Well there you go people - earning $300/day is very possible, as long as you go after the right niche/keywords.

edit: getting your sites ranked and making them stick is a whole other story. Especially after Penguin. This stuff was about a hundred times easier just 6 months ago.

It's still easy to rank pages.

These Google algo. updates aren't as big a deal as people think.

The trick is, stay away from external links that everyone else is building (public link networks). Stay out of the spotlight with links & you'll see nothing has changed in the SERPs, it's still all about relevant quality links + text.

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

The trick is, stay away from external links that everyone else is building (public link networks). Stay out of the spotlight with links & you'll see nothing has changed in the SERPs, it's still all about relevant quality links + text.

Yea I have no problems ranking sites, but many people do...

About six months ago I had this small team producing 3 sites/day for me and I would make tons of money by just using automation and cheap labour (flipping). Anyone with absolutely no real SEO knowledge could have easily made an extra $1000-$5000 or so that way (but for some reason very few people did, lol).

Right now I'm all about quality and planning for the long-term.

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bfas

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jmart11

Thanks for the info. Is adsense really still allowing these sites though? I know it's still earning but it seems like they're cracking down on these type of sites.

It depends on what you mean by "these site". The CNA Training site is a quality informational site - original, relevant, high-quality content. This is precisely what Google wants for Adsense.

Michael

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apollocreed

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bfas

Hello,

Until about 6 months ago, it ranked 1st or 2nd for about a dozen primary, hi-CPC keywords, each with significant traffic, and had a CTR averaging appx 20%.

FYI to the "skeptical" OP: The site was listed, live, in every version of the "Adsense $100k Blueprint" PDF and training videos, and we've shown live-login views during webinars of both the Google Analytics and Adsense accounts countless times. In fact, there's still a screenshot of the Adsense account showing a period at $300/day on the A100k salespage.

Michael

Hi Michael,

Does your Blueprint discuss/teach the elements required to get high CTR. Do you sell themes like the one you used? I am desperate to improve CTR for my sites beyond the current pathetic 3% average.

I can tell that a lot of people here seem to be more like artists and designers rather than business women. It makes me laugh when people scoff at a $300/day site because it is not "pretty". It is equivalent to refusing to invest in Micrsoft in 1980 because Bill and Paul were not handsome enough.

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Kevin_Hutto

14 years ago

Originally Posted by apollocreed

Hi Michael,

Does your Blueprint discuss/teach the elements required to get high CTR. Do you sell themes like the one you used? I am desperate to improve CTR for my sites beyond the current pathetic 3% average.

I can tell that a lot of people here seem to be more like artists and designers rather than business women. It makes me laugh when people scoff at a $300/day site because it is not "pretty". It is equivalent to refusing to invest in Micrsoft in 1980 because Bill and Paul were not handsome enough.

Thats a free theme called "Bluesense"... its been around a long time. Just google it.

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

^^ be careful with that. Ads on that site (the link unit right below the header) are very misleading and CAN get you in trouble. I showed the site to 3 different people yesterday and they all thought that the link unit was one of the menus (because ads are so well targeted as well as placement and colours). That's just plain misleading.

What have you tried in terms of tweaking CTR? I find that people like to complain, but don't actually test much (if at all). Use something like clicktale to see what your visitors are doing.

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mosthost

14 years ago

That website is from the 'old days.' You won't launch a POS like that and earn big money these days. You know why? Because Google is all about user metrics now and not relevancy. Users hate that site and Google knows it.

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

That website is from the 'old days.' You won't launch a POS like that and earn big money these days.

Amen to that. It was all so easy last summer, lol.

Too bad most newbies don't realize how outdated current Adsense/Amazon guides are. hurr durr, I'm out.

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bfas

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

That website is from the 'old days.' You won't launch a POS like that and earn big money these days. You know why? Because Google is all about user metrics now and not relevancy. Users hate that site and Google knows it.

Originally Posted by bnetwork

^^ be careful with that. Ads on that site (the link unit right below the header) are very misleading and CAN get you in trouble. I showed the site to 3 different people yesterday and they all thought that the link unit was one of the menus (because ads are so well targeted as well as placement and colours). That's just plain misleading.

What have you tried in terms of tweaking CTR? I find that people like to complain, but don't actually test much (if at all). Use something like clicktale to see what your visitors are doing.

Originally Posted by bnetwork

Amen to that. It was all so easy last summer, lol.

Too bad most newbies don't realize how outdated current Adsense/Amazon guides are. hurr durr, I'm out.

Too bad most people who post 'advice' don't have experience succeeding on any substantive, long-term level.

Up until just a few months ago, that site had a LOT of traffic, and made a LOT of money. For almost 2 years running. For those of you who enjoy armchair criticism, put up your $300-$400/day Adsense sites (plural - we've had dozens & dozens of similarly performing sites) against it and then tell us how to do it.

We've been at this for a long time, and have had sustained success for years. Rather than criticize with opinions, try contributing something positive based on experience and fact.

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bfas

Too bad most people who post 'advice' don't have experience succeeding on any substantive, long-term level.

Up until just a few months ago, that site had a LOT of traffic, and made a LOT of money. For almost 2 years running. For those of you who enjoy armchair criticism, put up your $300-$400/day Adsense sites (plural - we've had dozens & dozens of similarly performing sites) against it and then tell us how to do it.

We've been at this for a long time, and have had sustained success for years. Rather than criticize with opinions, try contributing something positive based on experience and fact.

Michael

I've been in business since 1991. Keep your comments to yourself unless they're based in reality. You can claim whatever income level you want in a thread, nothing is stopping you.

Ok, Michael? You aren't the first or last person to own one (or 500) Made for Adsense websites.

This type of website has much less chance of faring well in today's SERPs and in Adsense. If you're so plugged in, you should know that.

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paulgl 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

I've been in business since 1991.

However, you have not been creating websites since 1991,
let alone marketing them.

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Mantasmo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

This type of website has much less chance of faring well in today's SERPs and in Adsense. If you're so plugged in, you should know that.

This. He has to defend his product, that's understandable.

YES good sire, I was ranking ****ty MFA's and flipping them almost non-stop. Things have changed. Spam and MFA's still get you short-term results, but I wouldn't call that a business.
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Crew Chief 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

This type of website has much less chance of faring well in today's SERPs and in Adsense. If you're so plugged in, you should know that.

I'm curious mosthost, what do you mean by, "Plugged in?" :confused:

Actually, there are plenty of sites like that and worse, doing very well with Adsense and doing well with other forms of monetization. The issue is, many of the individuals who commented on the aesthetics apparently failed to realize one thing; Spiders, Crawlers and other SE BOTS don't evaluate website aesthetics.

Anyone who spends any time evaluating high converting websites versus websites that have mediocre or low converting stats are plugged in. Meaning, they know that UGLY websites convert extremely well. Here is a very small sample of UGLY websites that convert like crazy.

Craigslist > Cities
DRUDGE REPORT 2012®
MediaTakeOut.com™ 2012
POF.com ™ The Leading Free Online Dating Site for Singles & Personals
the original Blogger Tips and Tricks

And you can add Google dot com to that list and I could show you tons more. The point being, the first consideration for any smart Internet Marketer is how well their website converts the traffic and not how the website looks.
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SEOKebab

14 years ago

The site doesn't look too bad, considering how well it's optimized for Adsense.

Adsense "navigation bar", plus the skyscrapers on both sides and if it's getting decent traffic, then $300 days would be possible.

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Banned 14 years ago

Dude its a PR 4 site and have a good alexa. and the most attractive part is its ad blending. have you noticed that ads are very confusing? its the best thing to get good clicks on the ads.

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seoimninja

14 years ago

A nice looking site, however, will gain a steady flow of recommendations, which in the long run will bring customers more likely to buy and buy big.

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keithotzkie

14 years ago

Hmmm.. Im not quite sure about that but it might be possible..
Some websites are not that really good but as long as they have good quality contents on it and if they have good traffic, I guess thats all that matters.. xD